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post Oct 8 2019, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 8 2019, 09:23 AM) *
I don't think we have many options on the table. Don't know why Garcia disappeared from the rumors, while Spalletti wanted a longer contract (2022) and was too expensive.


The issue with Spalletti is that he's still bound with Inter, which earns him 4.5 million per year for the next two years. If he was to sign a contract with us, he'd have to rescind with Inter. But he wanted a severance pay of one year's salary, and Inter were not willing to pay him.

A matter of principle for Inter, Spalletti apparently is very angry with them and there's a lot of tension betwene the two parties.

Hence why we opted for Pioli. But my question is: why not Ranieri or Garcia instead? Pioli is just another Giampaolo.
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post Oct 8 2019, 10:19 AM
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Anyway, I'm still happy we got rid of Giampaolo. That's what you get for being a stubborn mule.
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post Oct 8 2019, 02:00 PM
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Maldini and Boban = Clowns.

Milan into the abyss.
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post Oct 8 2019, 02:18 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 8 2019, 10:19 AM) *
Anyway, I'm still happy we got rid of Giampaolo. That's what you get for being a stubborn mule.


Not his fault at all. It was the two morons who appointed a midtable mediocre coach.

What's happening is what the management instructs. Appoint a turd as manager and a turd you get.

This club is headed to Serie B.
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post Oct 8 2019, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 8 2019, 02:00 PM) *
Maldini and Boban = Clowns.

Milan into the abyss.


Yup. I can't honestly say I support this club any more. I follow its fortunes, but the soul was ripped out long ago and it's a total clusterf*ck of an operation now.

I enjoy the chat on here, but the Milan we all grew up with is gone, probably for good, and it's been replaced by a satirical tribute act.

With a f*ckme terrible shirt.
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post Oct 8 2019, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 8 2019, 10:12 AM) *
The issue with Spalletti is that he's still bound with Inter, which earns him 4.5 million per year for the next two years. If he was to sign a contract with us, he'd have to rescind with Inter. But he wanted a severance pay of one year's salary, and Inter were not willing to pay him.

A matter of principle for Inter, Spalletti apparently is very angry with them and there's a lot of tension betwene the two parties.

Hence why we opted for Pioli. But my question is: why not Ranieri or Garcia instead? Pioli is just another Giampaolo.



Ranieri:

Horrific coach. Absolutely rubbish at Chelsea, Roma and every meaningful club at a high level. Rubbish at Leicester - it was his assistant Craig Shakespeare who really won that league for them, and it was also a total freak (he couldn't repeat it as manager). Telling that Ranieri has been trash at every club before and since Leicester won the league, and including the season there after that. Jose Mourinho was dead right about this guy.

Garcia:

Good coach. Therefore not one Milan would realistically go for.

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post Oct 8 2019, 04:42 PM
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Apparently Pioli signed for Milan.

Can Milan go any lower?
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 8 2019, 05:20 PM) *
Yup. I can't honestly say I support this club any more. I follow its fortunes, but the soul was ripped out long ago and it's a total clusterf*ck of an operation now.

I enjoy the chat on here, but the Milan we all grew up with is gone, probably for good, and it's been replaced by a satirical tribute act.

With a f*ckme terrible shirt.


These baboons used to mock Silvio and Galliani... Now they are in management they need not try any harder they are doing a fine job of tarnishing their image in my eyes. The image of legendary players.

I can't stand this team, I'm actually disappointed at myself for renewing my subscription for Serie A this season.

I don't think I follow this team either, my heart is not in it anymore.
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post Oct 8 2019, 06:02 PM
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It's true, actually. There was a front page of Maldini five years ago on Gazzetta with huge captions "They are destroying my Milan" referring to Silvio and Galliani.

Well, Paolo, looks like you're doing a fine job yourself.

It's sad, really, that we have to point fingers at such club legends. But after many, many, many years of mediocrity, while Inter are getting back on their feet, we are plummeting to such low levels that it's become unbearable anymore.
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post Oct 8 2019, 08:10 PM
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I think you guys are directing your blame at Paolo and Boban because they are the faces, but they have to work within the budget that Elliot + Gazidis set.

If they cannot sign player X or Y or coach X or Y due to salary and/or transfer fee it is because the budget limits them.

I'm not saying I'm happy with this or that I think it's a good decision at all, but I'm sure both are learning fast that it's easy to talk and judge from a cushy pundit position, but much harder to operate within such confines.
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 8 2019, 08:10 PM) *
I think you guys are directing your blame at Paolo and Boban because they are the faces, but they have to work within the budget that Elliot + Gazidis set.

If they cannot sign player X or Y or coach X or Y due to salary and/or transfer fee it is because the budget limits them.

I'm not saying I'm happy with this or that I think it's a good decision at all, but I'm sure both are learning fast that it's easy to talk and judge from a cushy pundit position, but much harder to operate within such confines.


First of all, I do blame Paolo and Boban because Giampaolo was their choice. If you want to rebuild and get back to success, you don't start from Giampaolo. It was a risky bet, and they lost it. Hence, they're responsible. Just as they're responsible for conducting a mercato without logic or direction.

Secondly, we can't afford to learn at this moment. So, blame goes to Elliot for replacing an experienced director such as Leonardo with Boban. We need certainty. What has Gazidis even been doing all this time? Aside from earning the big bucks, that is.
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post Oct 8 2019, 10:28 PM
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Agree with both of you.

But sorry, my blame on Mladini and Boban goes to a certain point. One has to understand that it was indeed Berlusconi and Galliani who destroyed Milan in the first place with their reckless and antiquated handling of the club and lastly their sale of the club to a shady Chinese businessman.

This is how we got there. Maldini and Boban are club legends who agreed to work under these dire and complicated conditions. Could they done better? Sure, especially in terms of manager selection and summer signings. But let's be honest guys: apart from me most of you saw the team stronger then last year, prepared for battling the 4th spot (even more?) and were fine with Giampaolo. Heck, even the media praised Giampaolo and made some believe he's some kind of tactical genius?

The mistake was to punish Leonardo for last season and remove him from the management as his signings and decisions weren't half as bad (maybe expensive though). So this blaming game goes far more then just stating two of our club legends our idiots.
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As for Pioli, I'm also disappointed. But he got a contract for 1 million plus the 1.5 we're paying Giampaolo. It's obvious we couldn't afford anyone - not even Spalletti, especially not Mourinho etc. Let's be realistic, who would accept to come to Milan for a miserable salary in this even more miserable situation?
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The team is definitely stronger than last season, on paper. It's basically the same players plus a bunch of useful ones like Hernandez, Bennacer, Rebic and Leao.

But mind you, on paper. In practice, we're much worse than last season. Which goes to show you what a terrible job Giamapolo has done, or what an incredible job Rino did last season.

It's hard to say which, really. I personally think that with a good manager we might have a shot, but Pioli certainly isn't that manager, so down the drain goes this season well...
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 9 2019, 12:28 AM) *
Agree with both of you.

But sorry, my blame on Mladini and Boban goes to a certain point. One has to understand that it was indeed Berlusconi and Galliani who destroyed Milan in the first place with their reckless and antiquated handling of the club and lastly their sale of the club to a shady Chinese businessman.

This is how we got there. Maldini and Boban are club legends who agreed to work under these dire and complicated conditions. Could they done better? Sure, especially in terms of manager selection and summer signings. But let's be honest guys: apart from me most of you saw the team stronger then last year, prepared for battling the 4th spot (even more?) and were fine with Giampaolo. Heck, even the media praised Giampaolo and made some believe he's some kind of tactical genius?

The mistake was to punish Leonardo for last season and remove him from the management as his signings and decisions weren't half as bad (maybe expensive though). So this blaming game goes far more then just stating two of our club legends our idiots.


Agreed. Let's play the blame game all you want..it isn't going to improve our situation.

I think everyone is stating one part of the truth here. But, the complete story has never been clearer.

There is chaos in our management. Elliott see Milan as a short-mid term investment. Paolo and Boban clearly don't see it the same way. The problem after is that they both don't agree with each other in all matters. (which can be healthy to a certain point)

Then, comes this Gazidis guy (who I don't like at all) with outrageous statements. Clearly, he thinks the premier league is the best, and we suck..so I don't see how his mentality will work well for us.

The coach, Giamp, is maybe to blame, okay. But, he had a certain vision of football and it might have been interesting for Milan. The real problem is he will never be a big time coach. He doesn't have the nerves or the character for it. But, this, you can't know before you give him a try at a big club. Some have flourished when put in big occasions, but clearly not him.

What we needed in big words is ESTABLISHED everything. Established players, established management and an established coach. We have rookies on every level of this football club. How can we expect it to ever work?

I'm not against Maldini staying, but we can't have a management with just beginners. We need a leader, someone like Galliani in the good old days.

We need a known coach who can deliver. At least to take us to Champion's league places.

We need established players..players with experience who have been there..done that. Here, we have honestly a group of young players. I think some of them will turn out to be great players. But, we need players who are great now.

Good night..



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