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 Jun 4 2009, 07:15 PM
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Primavera  Group: Helpers Posts: 18,058 Joined: 9-February 06 Member No.: 1,265  |
QUOTE Milan Do Not Need Any Other Players - Berlusconi Berlusconi believes that the Rossoneri are already strong enough as they are, even with the departure of their star player Kaka. Milan president Silvio Berlusconi is set to anger the fans further with the latest declarations that he is happy with the current Milan squad. Berlusconi is not even pondering to sign any new player, especially in the fragile defence, despite the retirement of Paolo Maldini. However, the Italian prime minister tried to reassure the supporters that they have nothing to worry about as Milan will be as strong as ever next season. "I like Milan as it is," declared the Milan president to Sky Sport 24. "I think that with the great number of champions we can put on the pitch, we don't need anyone else. "The Milan fans can sleep comfortably: we will give Leonardo a squad full of great champions, where we don't need any new players in the defensive department. We count on the return of [Kakha] Kaladze and [Alessandro] Nesta." The 200 Milan fans protesting in Via Turati will most likely not agree with Berlusconi and, on the contrary, be even more enraged with these latest comments that the Rossoneri do not need any new players following the probable departure of Kaka. Does Silvio live in cloud cuckoo land or what? (IMG:http://tinypic.info/files/lch7znoqlmj46uub2c33.gif) QUOTE Ultras threaten Kaka boycott Thursday 4 June, 2009 While the transfer to Real Madrid looks imminent, the Rossoneri fans are still trying their best to stop Kaka from leaving San Siro. The Ultras, who have already shown their anger against the Board in recent weeks, are currently protesting in front of Milan’s headquarters. The fans are also claiming they will vote against Silvio Berlusconi at the next elections if Kaka leaves. “I will vote Podestà (Berlusconi’s candidate) only if we keep Kaka,” claim several placards. The group of around 300 are being controlled by local police who, despite the tense atmosphere, are reporting no security problems. The banners send clear messages to the Rossoneri hierarchy. “If you sell Kaka, you sell the club”, “President: before lots of honours, now disappointment only” and “Who sells Kaka will pay for it” are some of the other slogans. Deja vu? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Do we have to go through all this every time this damned transfer window opens? This post has been edited by Zed.D: Jun 4 2009, 07:21 PM |
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Jun 4 2009, 07:31 PM
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Giovanissimi Regionali B Group: Helpers Posts: 1,313 Joined: 24-December 05 From: Tartu, Estonia Member No.: 1,063 |
QUOTE A guidare la protesta c'era anche uno dei leader storici della curva sud, Giancarlo Capelli, per tutti i tifosi il Barone (tra l'altro oggetto di Daspo), secondo il quale Kaka' vorrebbe rimanere al Milan ma e' stata la societa' a metterlo in vendita. ''Me lo ha detto lui stesso al telefono - ha raccontato Capelli mostrando sul display del cellulare una telefonata ricevuta dal brasiliano poco prima delle 15 -. Abbiamo parlato circa 5 minuti e mi ha detto che si e' sentito abbandonato dalla societa'. Mi ha detto che voleva restare ma il Milan lo ha messo in vendita''. http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/artico...ml?refresh_cens I'll try to translate... Capelli, leader of Curva Sud, showed display of his phone, where is call that was 15 minutes ago and he said: "I spoke with Kaka for 5 minutes. He said me again that he not want to go away, but he is very sad because he is not "not for sale" anymore - club don't want him and ready to sell". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Damn....I hate Berlu and bold idiot Galliani.... |
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Jun 4 2009, 07:37 PM
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Dida per sempre Group: Full Members Posts: 4,198 Joined: 25-February 07 From: St. Francis Member No.: 3,563 |
QUOTE (Rivaldo @ Jun 4 2009, 11:31 AM)  Capelli, leader of Curva Sud, showed display of his phone, where is call that was 15 minutes ago and he said: "I spoke with Kaka for 5 minutes. He said me again that he not want to go away, but he is very sad because he is not "not for sale" anymore - club don't want him and ready to sell". This story also appeared on R&B and I think it's a load of crap. If Kaka wouldn't speak publicly about this whole mess before, no way he's going to suddenly spill his guts to some ultras member. And if he felt betrayed, he'd have told B&G to go to hell and jumped aboard the S.S. Madrid in the blink of an eye. It would be like staying at your job even though your boss has made it more than clear that he'd like you fired. This "story" was reported on Mediaset, which probably means that Berlu wants to make Kaka the bad guy while making himself look like a martyr. |
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Jun 4 2009, 07:39 PM
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Primavera Group: Helpers Posts: 18,058 Joined: 9-February 06 Member No.: 1,265 |
Everyone knows he wants to stay at Milan. how many times does he have to say that?
The club need the money so he has to accept this transfer. it surely won't be the end of the world in Madrid for him but staying at Milan is obviously his first priority. Silvio's recent interview has given me a slight hope that he might remain. we'll see what happens on Monday but I think he's 80% Madrid's. This post has been edited by Zed.D: Jun 4 2009, 07:40 PM |
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Jun 4 2009, 07:55 PM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 3,799 Joined: 17-February 09 From: Montreal Member No.: 6,245 |
the man city thing was a joke and an exaggeration, but think of how that whole illusion of "100M for kaka" (it was actually 50M) turned into the catalyst to sell him to real madrid. Berlu has wanted to sell kaka during this summer since at least the january transfer window.
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Jun 4 2009, 08:03 PM
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Pulcini 97 Group: Full Members Posts: 190 Joined: 1-January 09 From: lebanon Member No.: 6,105 |
i hope milan sell seedorf and pirlo .. ( follow ancellotti ) ,.... and i hope pato stays ... i hope the new coach leonardo is gd for milan and especialy ronaldinho (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) and i hope kaka stay ( it's too far because of money needed ... for the fuc**** president .... selling a young player and one of the best... and leaving old bitches like seedorf and pirlo ... heh .... and kalazde on the denfence ... do u (berluscuni) think that kaladze is a gd denfender ... that realy sucks ... and nesta is old and needs a lot get to his best... heh ... i hope milan play tiago silva ... and senderos ... and get denfenders... )
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Jun 4 2009, 08:36 PM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 8,627 Joined: 19-April 06 Member No.: 1,660 |
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 4 2009, 08:30 AM) Ok Blue ... Lets stick to rational here, you have stated several points which (I assume) bother you and probably a lot of others. Okay, let it be noted that Silvio has gained from Milan over the years, but not as much financially as politically. Why not financially ? Because football in Italy is kinda like pouring water into a pierced bucket. Cash, to some extent, is not generated at the same rate as it used to. Football is a business and it is categorized under entertainment. But again, in Italy it is not as BIG an industry as say England or Spain, where their bottom line is significantly better. Milan, as a club is profitable. But it is not generating cash at the end of the year, hence Silvio comes in (most likely through Fininvest) and injects more cash to keep the club running. This cycle has been going on for sometime now in order to keep Milan as a European giant. Why doesn't Silvio sell the club ? I have no idea other than his affection towards it. An Arab, Russian, Persian .. They are better off buying into an EPL club than an Italian. (In fact, I read this editorial once about Sheikh Mansour's acquisition of City, he was interested in Roma, but after doing a feasibility study they backed off). As things stand Milan really is his club, and there is very little you or I could do protesting against it. He did after all, take Milan through several cycles in which the trophy cabinet at Via Turati bears the fruits of his success as President. Were some of Milan's purchases bad ? Yes, some of them were, over the span of 22 years. But most of them proved to be fruitful. It is not a matter of, Milan sell Sheva for 30MM, hence 30MM is going to be spent on a replacement. 30MM has to be filtered, and divided into expenses and dues .. Whatever is left over, is (in a simplified scenario) used to finance the purchase of player X. Hence, it is not as simple as a,b,c ... It incorporates a lot of elements, that we are not exposed to. I feel your sorrow, I really do ... As a fan, you want to see Milan on top of the pile, as do every single one of us in here ... You say Paolo could have been sold 10-15 years ago !? 10-15 years ago my friend, Serie A was the top league in Europe. It was kinda like what the EPL is today, much more lucrative in all aspects. And Paolo was targeted by Madrid during those times, Milan didn't budge, on the contrary Milan where in a better position financially, as was the whole league at the time, but that was then. Today, Milan has to sell Kaka' ... It is inevitable. The quoted 70MM pounds is a mind boggling number, which could be put towards funding the club in all its aspects. My reasoning for it that Kaka' is 27 now ... He roughly has two more years left in him - as his attributes depend on speed & agility - and from then on he wont be worth 70MM. So, considering this, the management has been shrewd in the timing of the sale. Considering Milan needs the money to build a competitive team. As for Carlo, he is gone now. Fillipo's sig describes this scenario pretty well, 'We can't behave like crocodiles and cry over spilled milk and broken eggs'. I consider Carlo to be one of the best managers that have trained Milan, and I'm saddened by his departure as he brought the team a lot of success when he took the reins. And cheer up, Leo is a rookie coach, but so were Sacchi & Capello. You have very good points my friend. Most of it one cannot deny and are very true in our club's case, however: ***note: sorry for grammar and spelling mistakes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush.gif) I just have a few comment to make. I don't understand how morratti can keep Inter at the top and continually support the club while Milan cannot do so. I thought Silvio was richer, smarter in the business sense and 10x the owner that Morratti is, however with his comments these days I really doubt this. Bottom line R7 is that we have to face the music. Just like italian football has changed, Milan has changed. From the players to the owner. We used to be a top class club with a top class owner, top class management and top class players. Now we are about the same level as fiorentina, therefore things have to be changed in all sectors. Eventhough, you feel that it is unfair to scrutinize Silvio like this because of all he has done, you have to understand that there comes a time like the coach, the owner has to go. If Kaka is sold and we do not sign player(s) to cover his calibre, I believe it will be silvio's last year. Fans and club supporters can no longer stand for the bs he has been spewing out for these last few years. Yes it is a business, but football also must be maintained in equal harmony. When we have Kaka, there is no need to go out and spend 21 million on Ronaldinho. He could have spent the money on purchasing a defender who could have been great by now. Furthermore, Yes it is his club, however, however this is not a mediaset or finnivest, its a football club. The Club income depends on ticket sales and product sales in which the footballing aspect must equal the business aspect in order for healthy revenue to occur. The customers right now feel the footballing aspect has declined over the years tremendously and with this sale another huge unfixable blow has occured. I listed in my previous posts several mistakes the board and Silvio have done which i'm sure are the reason for the debt to have occured. The 60 million is from us not making the proper moves in the market to insure we keep CL football every season. If we couldn't do that, then we had to fire the coach and bring in change because it was clear we as a team could no longer compete with others for the championship. Right now he has made this choice, however its a little too late. We changed our coach. We will not invest as he feels the club is in a good position to compete. He has become dillusional and has lost his ways, that is why I call for change. Also there is an arab willing to buy this club, however Silvio is reluctant to sell. What i'm trying to say R7 is this: People need to be held accountable for their mistakes. No one is bigger than this club and no one owns this club. Silvio runs this club, however he does not own the city of milan or its football team. We can force him out, there is no doubt about that. However, there are many like you who feel he can turn this around and that is why he is still in charge but that number is getting lower by the day. I enjoy your optimism, but just like us being linked to CR7, your optimism is nothing but fantasy. At the rate we are going, we will drop far from Juve and Inter and then changing club management may be a little too late. This post has been edited by Bluesummers: Jun 4 2009, 08:37 PM |
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Jun 4 2009, 09:01 PM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 8,627 Joined: 19-April 06 Member No.: 1,660 |
QUOTE The President of Milan, Silvio Berlusconi, on the edge of the closing event of the election campaign to Palaghiaccio, responds this way to a journalist who asked him to transfer to Real Madrid Kakà: "There is still no sale."
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Jun 4 2009, 09:02 PM
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Giovanissimi Regionali B Group: Helpers Posts: 1,313 Joined: 24-December 05 From: Tartu, Estonia Member No.: 1,063 |
Pics of Tiffosi protesting against sale of Kaka
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Jun 4 2009, 09:27 PM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 8,627 Joined: 19-April 06 Member No.: 1,660 |
QUOTE spalletti today: "The fans? They should feel involved. Our fans have to be on our side, we have to tell them things correctly, because they are our primary strength." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) God bless you. |
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Jun 4 2009, 10:25 PM
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Primavera  Group: Moderators Posts: 23,206 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Athens, Hellas Member No.: 911 |
QUOTE (Berlusconi) "I like Milan as it is," declared the Milan president to Sky Sport 24. "I think that with the great number of champions we can put on the pitch, we don't need anyone else. "The Milan fans can sleep comfortably: we will give Leonardo a squad full of great champions, where we don't need any new players in the defensive department. We count on the return of [Kakha] Kaladze and [Alessandro] Nesta." OK now Kaka's sale would not be the end of the world but this... this is serious! He has to be kidding!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Please someone defend him for this too, I beg you to do it! |
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Jun 4 2009, 11:33 PM
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Allievi Regionali B Group: Helpers Posts: 5,148 Joined: 5-October 05 From: Bristol Member No.: 558 |
Just found some interesting statistics regarding Kaka's true value to Milan:
This season Kaka' didn't play in 13 official matches for Milan (8 Serie A, 5 UEFA Cup). So these are the statistics from those matches: - 4 wins (2 in Serie A, 2 in UEFA Cup) - 3 draws (all in UEFA CUP, two against Werder!) - 6 defeats (all in Serie A) Now when we take a look at he table, with Kaka' in squad Milan played 30 games and won 20 matches, draw 8 times and lost only 2 matches; resulting with - 68 points. Milan's final score in Serie A this season is: 38 matches played, 22 wins, 8 draws and 8 defeats(!) - which is equal to: 74 points. Conclusion is that Milan has won only six points in eight games Kaka' didn't play in, and that talks how much he means to this team No Kaka no Milan. |
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Jun 4 2009, 11:37 PM
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Esordienti A 95 Group: Full Members Posts: 748 Joined: 30-April 06 From: London Member No.: 1,757 |
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jun 4 2009, 11:33 PM) Just found some interesting statistics regarding Kaka's true value to Milan: This season Kaka' didn't play in 13 official matches for Milan (8 Serie A, 5 UEFA Cup). So these are the statistics from those matches: - 4 wins (2 in Serie A, 2 in UEFA Cup) - 3 draws (all in UEFA CUP, two against Werder!) - 6 defeats (all in Serie A) Now when we take a look at he table, with Kaka' in squad Milan played 30 games and won 20 matches, draw 8 times and lost only 2 matches; resulting with - 68 points. Milan's final score in Serie A this season is: 38 matches played, 22 wins, 8 draws and 8 defeats(!) - which is equal to: 74 points. Conclusion is that Milan has won only six points in eight games Kaka' didn't play in, and that talks how much he means to this team No Kaka no Milan. Wow. He really is the heart of Milan now Paolo has gone. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 10:25 PM) OK now Kaka's sale would not be the end of the world but this... this is serious! He has to be kidding!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Please someone defend him for this too, I beg you to do it! Well, there is no Emerson now... Just joking, Silvio is in turmoil after commiting adultery with a teenager. What an ***. |
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Jun 5 2009, 12:19 AM
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Giovanissimi Nazionali Group: Full Members Posts: 2,978 Joined: 6-March 08 From: Canada Member No.: 3,763 |
it's simple silvio and fester lower our expectations regarding the transfer market so low that we scrounge and scrap and the slightest transfer move is hailed. he isnt dumb, how can we rely on an injured nesta and kalamity? then again he wasnt very astute in the first place in relying on them for the past season either (especially kakha). he just simply doesnt give a fck, he's priorities are to runt he country and make money, then again he wasnt always like that cuz he has been prime minister before and he dint allow that to effect the club that much. just this time around he doesnt really care that much about the club as he's allowed it to go in the shitter and just laughs and jokes about it.
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Jun 5 2009, 02:40 AM
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Allievi Nazionali Group: Helpers Posts: 8,465 Joined: 9-March 06 Member No.: 1,388 |
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jun 4 2009, 05:33 PM) Just found some interesting statistics regarding Kaka's true value to Milan: This season Kaka' didn't play in 13 official matches for Milan (8 Serie A, 5 UEFA Cup). So these are the statistics from those matches: - 4 wins (2 in Serie A, 2 in UEFA Cup) - 3 draws (all in UEFA CUP, two against Werder!) - 6 defeats (all in Serie A) Now when we take a look at he table, with Kaka' in squad Milan played 30 games and won 20 matches, draw 8 times and lost only 2 matches; resulting with - 68 points. Milan's final score in Serie A this season is: 38 matches played, 22 wins, 8 draws and 8 defeats(!) - which is equal to: 74 points. Conclusion is that Milan has won only six points in eight games Kaka' didn't play in, and that talks how much he means to this team No Kaka no Milan. Thank you for those numbers. They truly speak for themselves. If Kaka leaves, we'll be just about a Roma level club. Only without the youth and enthusiasm. |
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