Whoopsie doo...like I din't see the past 7 pages coming. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Who would have thought kurtiepoo would be the lone defender of the club's performance. "You guys are worse than Villa fans..."...must rank right up there with his 'mediocre club like Villa' quote. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Anyway...this is a major disappointment. So it seems Carlo has clearly failed in his objectives this season. He knows it as well, from his press conference. I reckon he's a dead man walking. Now the question is whether they'll let him play out his contract or not. I think it will depend to a large extent on how we perform in the league. Second or third place, and he might be allowed to go that one more season.

And to add to the more terrific news.... Seedorf's joined the injury list as well.

So this makes, Seedorf, Nesta, Gattusso, Kaka, Ronaldinho, Borriello. Cool..so is there anyone else left, who's yet to be out with injury? I guess Abbiati can always suffer a concussion, and Dida injure himself during warmup. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

What a f@cked up season...

indeed this season was one to forget for milan fans, hopefully change can come to the team in ANY form that wold Better our chances.

For starters fire the medical staff...

Or maybe fire at them.

If this keeps up we won't have any players left.

why cant carlo get injured...

I like it how you want to make it sound that injuries are the biggest reason why we're here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) you're one of a kind, JACK.

I earlier asked you a question, you must have missed it: do you still think lacking a big guy/target man is our biggest problem or it's the defense? (we couldn't hold onto a 2-goal lead last night. yet another night in which the attack did its job, while the defense screwed it up)


PS. I think injuries are not our foremost problem because there are games in this very season where we had almost everyone available [Nesta being the only exception - a mgmt fault here for not bringing a worthy replacement for him when they knew he's injury prone and could be out for the whole season] yet we dropped points after points. even when we hadn't any major injury worries we managed to screw up. I don't think you need me to name those games.

Too often, it's also been the other way around. I've seen matches aplenty in which our defense is top notch while the offense couldn't hit an iceberg if they were steering the Titanic.

*SIGH* Not my intention but MONSTER POST ALERT....don't read..get yourself a life...


I didn't mean it that way. The post says 'To add to the more terrific...'...which means a bad situation just got worse.

I'm sorry, I didn't see your question. I skipped pages. Usually when we perform badly, I just read the last couple of pages, when the tempers have died down a bit.

I don't know what gave you the idea that I felt our defence was fine as is. When I put the target man theory forward, I was just looking to enhance your solution. You seem to have taken it as another blind management supporting excuse.

Yes, the defence hasn't been the best. But honestly against a team like Lecce, I don't expect it to be too much for the forwards to score a couple of goals more. But they can't, coz the defence is packed with 6-7 people around the box. In which case my target man idea would have eased things a lot. Yes, perhaps a stronger defence would have not conceded from a counter attack or a fluke set-piece. Agreed.

It was then I suggested get another target man. Since the way things are it is difficult to set a team up to concede one goal less, let's set it up to score one goal more. And there were more target men available than CBs at Jan. Also it's easier to get a average-above average target man (for teams like Lecce to provide work/distraction for the defenders), than to get a top class CB (You have to be top class to beat a fast counter, no matter who your opposition is!). This was my logic. I didn't mean to say your solution was wrong. Just not feasible in the current state. You took it in the former sense. I didn't bother to clarify. Hence the misunderstanding. Done with this topic? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

*********END TALK WITH ZD*********************************************

The way I see it, there are two ways to look at things (vis-a-vis) the club:

1. Either adopt the 'fire-the-management', 'retire-all-old-players', 'sell-all-non-superstars' as the three cornerstones to all problems facing the club. And you CANNOT deny that is the option most favoured here. It parallels how in a war, you would say 'Buy bigger guns', 'Build bigger bombs', 'Send in more men and ammo' as the best solution to winning a war.Neither are sustainable. Ask Chelsea or @the risk of going political and sounding anti-west...ask the US Army in Iraq.

2. Accept certain limitationsand work within them. Coming back to the defence. Nesta's injury was unforeseen. Even so replacing Nesta with a superstar is just not feasible. Especially in the January window. Financially, it was too steep. And even otherwise no one wanted to sell. Not in January. In such a case what most people prefer to do was harp on about how Galliani had to be fired, and we should spend solid cash and land Mr. X. While we're at it, let's have a discussion on how many posts in the forumit would take before the sun started rising in the west??

As an internet forum, we're a bunch of fans discussing the team. For the past year and a half (or more?) 70% of the 'discussion' goes:

Our team played like cr@p: Fire Carlo, fire Seedorf, fire Favalli, fire Inzaghi, fire urm....everyone who's not young

Our team's got too much injuries: Fire Galliani, he didn't bring depth, fire Carlo he can't use what he's got!

Not enough cash due to recession: Fire Silvio he isn't interested in the club, Fire Carlo just coz, Fire Galliani, Fire some players to free the wage bill.

Tell me...has anything constructive been discussed besides this? On..and..on and on like a broken record. It's why R7 is semi-retired. It's why Nova's done. It's why misha's absent. They didn't STOP being fans. They stopped being forum members. Really how many posts do you think you'll make before the board hears you? If you have a number do tell us 'dreamy optimists'...we'll wait silently. Honestly if the board do realise they need to <insert your fav.solution here>, do you think it was coz they dropped by the forum for a visit. 20 years man...20 years they've run the club. They DO KNOW MORE than anybody else HERE. If something is not done, it's for a reason. Most probably a cost vs benefit analysis.

There was a time when I joined, when discussions were fun. Like me, Pana and han having an argument(of course by the new standards it's nothing!) about whether Pirlo could play on the right side of a 4-3-1-2. Or on whether Gila (in his initial days) could be trained into an SS like Del Piero. On whether it would be a good idea, to shift Cafu up, so it's a 3-4-1-2...with Kala, Nesta and Paolo at the back.

When we discussed transfers, it wasn't :Buy Messi!!!!! It was more along the lines of:

1. Who do we need and why?
2. Who are the board looking at to fill that position?
3. Is there someone who can play that role better?
4. Does he fill in that position better for the same budget as the board's target?

While today...we need a target man. Yup Zigic (him again, sorry obsessed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) is available for 10 mill. But Drogba/Amauri/Benzema is twice as good though he costs four times as much. F@ck the board for going after Zigic. They're just retards who don't realise this is the way football is now!!!

Yup...that's the new MF discussion path. At least to me.

The business of the clubs is NOT winning trophies alone. The business of the club, like with all other businesses is showing a proper balanced sheet. Before the cash explosion, it was quite possible to do both. In the early 90s for instance. Things have changed. For me the stability is just as important.

Oh btw...LMAO at all the stop supporting Milan comments. That was hilarious!! Good riddance I'd say!

This post has been edited by Jack Sparrow: Feb 27 2009, 11:25 AM

not looking forward to being torn apart in school today! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I have mixed emotions after the match yesterday, feelings of anger and sadness and a feeling of as if that loss was a 'weight off our shoulders'.

So Carlo takes the blame. Fair enough for that game but in reality it is the whole management's fault, including signor shiny egghead, in fact quite a lot of fault is on that guy!

I say give Carlo one last year for him to do what we know he can do but which he cba to do at this moment in time. Next year, he'll have Antonini & co at his disposal, and as someone said earlier on in the year, Carlo should play Janku at LM to give other people a chance like Antonini.

If we see what MourinhNO is doing at the moment, he is playing the quite surprisingly solid Santon at LB. Carlo should follow his example because it seems that at Milan, there is a corrupt family - Berlu wants his 'favorites' played every game, and Carlo wants his too. So where does this leave the yongsters?

Anyways, I will always be a Milanista at heart whatever happens - it really does seem that I cannot watch another team play or even play with another team except Milan on PES!

FORZA MILAN!

I'm not done yet (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'm glad you mentioned Lecce of all the teams - the game we drew 1-1. remember who was our striker that night?...

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Fishdoll applauds the second part of Jack's monster post above and gives him the key to the rum cabinet. Very nicely stated.

"Milanista Forever"
first half: milan 2-0 werder bremen
second half: milan 2-2 werder bremen
Q: How do I feel?
A: completely furious.
Q: Y?
A: Is this a new version of 2005 3-0 up first half then a comeback? Milan are the greatest team to ever happen so why is it that a team like werder bremen can have a comeback? Its because they had heart. We had experience and skill and almost everything else compared to them however, they had more heart. They fought until the last minute. They even wanted to score a third. We were up 2-0 that doesn't mean we won the game, right? We should have been merciless and kept possession and scored more and obviously not have conceded a single goal. Are any of the werder bremen players well known? NO!!! and yet they are able to beat a the greatest team alive that has many great players. Ok injuries may have been a problem BUT if we are missing these players that doesn't mean that our team has become weaker. All it means to me is that we are missing players. Against caliagri we were missing players however we dominated and won the match. Players like kaka, gattuso, pato, and so on can make a difference but we can't always rely on them. It seems to me that if carlo doesnt have his superstars he is in trouble. Which is a dissappointment because a team like milan is far too great to have a coach who has to rely on his superstars. Don't get me wrong Carlo is good however, he can f@ck it up sometimes by doing silly things. For example aginst cagliari who took out Inzaghi (our only striker) and replaced him with ambrosini, now i am no coach but lets say for any reason
cag. score would we then have a striker to score? But hey what do i know right? I guess all i can say is that we are AC MILAN and no matter what we still are the greatest club but let's not mess it up with a silly coach.
FORZA MILAN!!! I am a milanista and a rossoneri til i die!!!
P.S. poor PATO F@ckin amazing goal he is the new R9. He was the midfield and the offence in the last game. Our team is always gr8 and our future is always bright and right now it is amazing, Y? because we are AC MILAN!!!

^^^That has to be the best balanced Carlo bashing post I've seen. You'll find no argument from me on your sentiments.

@Zeddie: You still insist doggedly on misinterpreting what I said. I DID NOT say our defence was fine. I said it would have been difficult to reinforce the defence in January.

Would a top class CB be better than getting another target man. YES. Because a CB can be helpful against all teams, while a target man wouldn't be. Not against the quality opposition, where our holes in the defence would be exposed.

I already said I agreed with you, and I already said why I brought up the target man viewpoint. I still don't get what you want me to say?

In summer definitely if we get nothing else, we should get a top CB. In January, there would have been no point, we would have gotten a Senderos level player at the most.

This post has been edited by Jack Sparrow: Feb 27 2009, 02:38 PM

Hmm...the bashing is bad. But believe me: I know much worse as I'm a Bochum fan. Only tough people become Bochum fans. Plus, for the fans in Bochum moaning is like a sport. I even get the impression many people only go to the games to become furious....well, the VFL gives them their dose.
So, albeit I don't agree with all the homoerotic "f@ck this guy and than f@ck that one" I'm pretty much used to it...

And if anyone says there's a limit on being a fan. I believe there shouldn't be one. What do they sometimes say? "And when the earth stops turning we'll walk on together!"

Plus, of course last night was a disaster and there are no excuses but Bremen are not any Bundesliga team. They've been the second most successful German team of the past ten years next to Bayern. And they've always done well against big teams. They won against Chelsea, Real, Juve and Inter in the past 3 years I believe. And although they've recently had many problems in the Bundesliga they still have an experienced squad. That said...they Christian "Fanta" Vander between the posts last night....the worst GK I've ever seen playing...he sucks badly and Bremen has never before won a match when he played...

This post has been edited by LaPalma: Feb 27 2009, 02:48 PM