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Posted by: Zed.D Mar 11 2009, 09:31 AM

Here we go.


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EDIT: I miss Kaka

Posted by: Rivaldo Mar 11 2009, 01:52 PM

Yes, I miss him too.....(((

But He feels pain yet.

What is wrong with Milan Lab...?

And Becks out for Siena....

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 11 2009, 02:30 PM

Becks is just a sprain, when he fell awkwardly. It's expected to take a week. Now this can't be blamed on the medical staff. This is just bad luck.

With Kaka, out as well.... What we'll get is most probably...

Flamini---Pirlo---Ambro
-------Zee-------------
Pippo--------Pato-------


What I'd like is....

Flam---Pirlo---Zee
---Sheva-----Pato-
--------Pippo------


Carlo's too smart to drop Pippo. Not now esp. Ambro shouldn't be rushed, since we got big matches coming up. In any case it's Siena and I'd rather we win 5-3 than hold onto a 1-0 for the last 20 minutes.

Any clue if Ronnie's gonna make it? What's the press talk? I don't expect it to start till the CL ties are out of the way and the subsequent post mortems.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 11 2009, 02:37 PM

There's a lot of gossip about Ronaldinho ranging from 'he's really hurt' to 'he's blowing off training because the discos in Milan are fun'. Hard to say what the truth is, though Socrates (the footballer, not the philosopher) gave an interview the other day in which he said that Ronaldinho had basically blown off the hard work that goes along with being a top-level footballer.

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 11 2009, 02:46 PM

that is truly sad if its true

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 11 2009, 02:50 PM

I hope this is not true. It would be really tragic if it was. Coz I put a lot of faith in R80's desire to improve and return to his level. And what's worse it shows the La Liga players who come to Milan really don't work for whatever reasons

I'd love for us to get some width though if we are insisting on Zee playing in the hole.

So it would be...


Antonini/Favalli---Bonera---Maldini---Zambrotta
-----Flamini---Pirlo------------Janku
------------Zee---------------
-----Pato------------Pippo-------

This looks like a possible Carlo formation. I'm not betting any money on seeing Darmian and Mattioni on the right again for a long time.

Posted by: dst Mar 11 2009, 03:11 PM

Now I understand why you like Ancelotti so much; you have unbelievably low standards. If you think not dropping Pippo now makes him too smart then... yeah...

Flamini and Ambro will play. Pirlo and slow-*** mofo will play. I'd be strongly surprised by anything else.


Damn that's why I did not want him to come in the first place. I feel so stupid for believing in him.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 11 2009, 03:28 PM

Antonini...Bonnera..Maldini......Zambrotta
...Janku...........Pirlo...........Flamini
..................Seedorf....................
.............Pippo......Pato.................

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 11 2009, 03:34 PM

Jackass! It's an expression. Too smart to play Pippo means he's not dumb enough to drop Pippo. Not necessarily that he's Einstein. Stupid Greeks with Japanese as their second language. But I still love you ok?

If Ambro is fit, I'm guessing he'll play. But I'm not sure if he will be. Could we mix things up and swap positions of Seedorf and Pirlo.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 11 2009, 04:16 PM

Double training today. Morning training was all individual work (sand pit, jogging in the woods, sprints, etc).

One good note: Rino Gattuso did 60-70 meter sprints. And Fishdoll will leave Milan Lab to Gattuso's mercies if they mess THAT recovery up.

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 11 2009, 04:34 PM

Not that I approve Dinho's attitude (if the rumors are true), but even when he was fit, he was left on the bench because according to the coach 'the team did better without him'. in my eyes, Carlo is a bit at fault, too. he's not strict on such players thus he can't help them revive their careers.

Anyway, IMO either we help Dinho get back to an ideal form, or we sell him in the summer (I'm in favor of the first option because he's Dinho after all - and he's still young (at least for Milan)). keeping THIS Dinho in the team is absolutely absurd.

Posted by: dst Mar 11 2009, 06:05 PM

I want to sell him... I did not want him to come to Milan and then I was supporting him when he joined us but now... we should cash in on him, I'm disgusted, how can he throw away such a talent like that? Stupid!

Posted by: daj0 Mar 11 2009, 07:36 PM

What happend to Kaka? He should be fit soon... well should have been fit 2 weeks ago.. whats wrong? Is it Milanlab agin?

What is going on there?

Posted by: daj0 Mar 11 2009, 07:36 PM

What happend to Kaka? He should be fit soon... well should have been fit 2 weeks ago.. whats wrong? Is it Milanlab agin?

What is going on there?

Posted by: Tennie Mar 11 2009, 07:39 PM

Kaka's foot is not yet healed. Soft tissue injuries (ie, ligaments) take time to heal.

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 11 2009, 07:55 PM

My money's on the latter.

Old habits die hard.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 11 2009, 07:59 PM

Are Fishdoll and I the only ones happy to see that Gattuso's running again? Gosh.

Posted by: dst Mar 11 2009, 08:16 PM

Well we knew he'd run again at some point...




I'm sure everyone's glad he's slowly coming back but since our targets now are reduced to reaching 3rd place a potential return (will he play again this season?) would not really add much.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 12 2009, 12:55 AM

exactly. At this point i couldn't care less if we had messi injured and he came back.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 12 2009, 01:08 AM

So nobody cares if/when Kaka or Ronaldinho come back either?

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 12 2009, 01:20 AM

to be honest not really. I mean it does help but we are fighting for 3rd/4th so personally it doesn't really take away the pain.

Posted by: dst Mar 12 2009, 01:26 AM

This is different, they are Brazilians!!!

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 12 2009, 02:03 AM

LOLLLL

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 12 2009, 02:52 AM

LOL!

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 12 2009, 05:01 PM

LOL!!!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 12 2009, 07:48 PM

it seems r80 and beckham both will be fit for this game

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 12 2009, 08:55 PM

about time r80 is fit. I hope carlo plays him.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 12 2009, 11:53 PM

he has to play him we have no one left?

Posted by: Tennie Mar 13 2009, 12:06 AM

I'd like to see Viudez get a start, especially after last week.

FYI, it was against Siena that Young Alberto scored his wonder goal last year.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 13 2009, 05:06 AM

What was 'wonder' about the goal? Didn't see it. Long range? Slalom run?

Posted by: Tennie Mar 13 2009, 05:19 AM

It was his first Serie A game and he scored it 19 seconds after coming on the pitch. Very first touch of the ball.

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 13 2009, 07:27 AM

That was really one hell of a goal. I'll never forget Carlo's reaction... you rarely see him so happy when Milan scores.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 13 2009, 07:34 AM

Oh..that goal. For some reason, I thought you were talking of some goal he's scored for Parma last year (2008) instead of season. My ADD is acting up.

Yup Carlo's face was I'll be a monkey's uncle kinda expression. I don't blame Carlo for not celebrating too much. After playing with people like MvB, Guullit, Rijkaard, Baresi, Don, Boban, you'd think he's seen just about enough brilliance in his life.

Posted by: amancik Mar 13 2009, 09:08 AM

and his celebration was similar to Inzaghi's don't u think?

Posted by: Tennie Mar 13 2009, 11:05 AM

Paloschi's celebration? Oh, yes. His celebrations are even more Inzaghi-like this year.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 13 2009, 03:01 PM

Signor Ayroldi will referee the match.

(zeddie, Rosetti will referee Samp-Roma)

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 13 2009, 03:20 PM

good? bad?
i really don't know any of the serie A refs :s

Posted by: vahid Mar 13 2009, 03:43 PM

ZEddie is still a Rosetti fan?

Posted by: Tennie Mar 13 2009, 03:44 PM

Ayroldi can be rather harsh at times.

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 13 2009, 04:56 PM

Yes I am he's the best ref in the world!

Posted by: Tennie Mar 13 2009, 06:47 PM

Kaka and Beckham trained regularly with the team today.

Posted by: Darunia Mar 13 2009, 07:00 PM

I'd like to see this lineup

Abbiati
Zambrotta Bonera Maldini Jankulovski
Beckham Pirlo Flamini
Kaka
Pato Inzaghi

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 13 2009, 07:07 PM

it's sad how much your lineup makes sense without R80
he defiantly needs to exit to madrid this summer

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 13 2009, 10:02 PM

What's happening with Ronaldinho? Where is he? Any news, comments,..?

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 13 2009, 10:05 PM

Where is he? I'm praying that he's lost somewhere and can't find his way back to Milan.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 13 2009, 10:07 PM

I disagree. I hope his position is known so he can be directed to a certain sky-blue team....

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 13 2009, 10:13 PM

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 14 2009, 02:23 AM

LOL @ jack's signature.



Kaka is said to be available for the bench. He might get some time, I dont know. Becks and dinho are available too.




I would like to see this:

abbiati-zambro-bonera-senderos-favalli-becks-pirlo-flam-janku-inzaghi-pato

Give maldini some rest. Sub in dinho/kaka later in the game for match fitness.

My prediction: Milan 2-1 Siena. Only if we score first. Otherwise if siena score first. Siena: 2-0

Posted by: han2503 Mar 14 2009, 10:08 AM

Apperantly all the talk about Dinho's absence was like usual blown out of proportion and now he's back in full training after being injured, at least that is what the Milan channel people said. I saw him in training and he still looks fit and is training just as much as the others are.

Anyway, since he and Becks will be fit, I would like to see us come out with this formation

Of course now that Caro has 2 attacking mids back at his disposal, I wouldn't be so shocked as to see us reverting back to the xmas tree

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 14 2009, 10:55 AM

but will carlo drop pippo or pato i think we should start with both of them

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 14 2009, 11:21 AM

I think he'll start both Pippo and Pato , but considering we are away maybe he will revert back to the christmas tree.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 14 2009, 11:35 AM

Here's mediaset's projected lineup and bench:

Milan (4-3-1-2): Abbiati; Zambrotta, Favalli, Maldini, Jankulovski; Flamini, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Beckham; Inzaghi, Pato. A disposizione: Dida, Senderos, Antonini, Seedorf, Kakà, Ronaldinho, Shevchenko.

They don't think Bonera's fit (remember he signalled to come off last week. some sort of thigh injury).

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 14 2009, 01:06 PM

Whatever happened to the days where a coach would reward the XI that won the last game with giving them all starts in the next match? This is a HUGE managerial flaw, in my opinion. Players come into the team, get the job done, then just because players like Seedorf or Ronaldinho come back from injury, they get put back into the team in expense of somebody that does an okay job.. regardless of the fact that they've barely done anything this season.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 14 2009, 02:28 PM

Abbiati, Dida, Kalac; Antonini, Darmian, Favalli, Jankulovski, Maldini, Senderos, Zambrotta; Ambrosini, Beckham, Emerson, Flamini, Pirlo; Inzaghi, Kakà, Pato, Shevchenko, Ronaldinho.
Indisponibili: Bonera, Borriello, Kaladze, Nesta, Gattuso, Seedorf.

seedorf not available while i doubt that kaka and r80 will start so somethng like last week team(defence will be different) with kaka and r80 coming on later

Posted by: elcordobez Mar 14 2009, 03:29 PM

Wonder what's happening to Mattioni,his name isn't on the call up nor the injury list.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 14 2009, 03:45 PM

No clue what's up with Mattioni. There's been very little mention of him recently.

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 14 2009, 03:50 PM

+1.

Posted by: vahid Mar 14 2009, 06:01 PM

I like this kind of calling up players,No Seedorf and Kaladze!

Posted by: Tennie Mar 14 2009, 06:11 PM

For what it's worth (and we know he changes his mind sometimes), Ancelotti said Kaka and Ronaldinho would start on the bench tomorrow. He also said that Gattuso's rehab was going very well and that he could be playing in May. It also sounds like Beckham may be trequartista again - which makes me think we'll go for a 2-striker formation.

Posted by: dst Mar 14 2009, 08:00 PM

No Seedorf again!? I'm being spoiled!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 14 2009, 09:56 PM

Racist..

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 14 2009, 11:45 PM

I'm ecstatic at the lack of Seedorf, but am still peeved that Carlo continues to start Beckham for whatever reason.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 15 2009, 10:18 AM

Beckhams only had about 2 bad games since he joined! He's arguably been one of our best players in that period too

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 15 2009, 10:35 AM

Two bad games? After he scored his first goals, he was invisible for a month and resurfaced just last week. Not bad for someone for whom honoring a contract is a foreign concept.

Great, the only bookstore in my neighborhood that sold Football Italia is closing.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 15 2009, 10:42 AM

I think he's been one of our more consistant players, we'll just have to disagree there though.

As for honouring contracts.. he was sold by United, he finished his contract at Madrid and is going back to LA, I can't see what more he could do to be honest. Beckham, as a player can't make anything happen, the buying club are also not honouring the contract and the selling club are obviously happen for him to do so.. otherwise why agree to it?

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 15 2009, 12:42 PM

Hey , i know its not the same as having the magazine but hope this helps

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/exacteditions.html

Posted by: Mook Mar 15 2009, 02:22 PM

SIENA: Curci; Zuniga, Portanova, Brandao, Del Grosso; Vergassola, Codrea, Barusso, Kharja; Maccarone, Calaiò.
MILAN: Abbiati; Zambrotta, Maldini, Favalli, Jankulovski; Flamini, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Beckham; Inzaghi, Pato.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2009, 02:28 PM

Decent Siena line-up. Will be an interesting match.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 02:31 PM

Not happy about the 2 DMs

Hopefully one of Kaka or Dinho will be ready to come on at some point so Beckham can move back in midfield.

And hopefully Ambro has a good game, something he hasn't done all season long

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2009, 02:34 PM

I don't agree, Ambro had some very good matches a few months back then (first round).

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 02:52 PM

If he had good matches they were very few and far between.

Expecially these last few months before he got injured, he was playing terribly.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 02:52 PM

DP

Posted by: vahid Mar 15 2009, 02:56 PM

Four LB

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 15 2009, 03:01 PM

LOL!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2009, 03:03 PM

Why isn't the usual ATDHE working? Anyone else got such problems?

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:06 PM

Penalty!!!

Flamini brought down

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 03:06 PM

penelty

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:07 PM

PIRLO!!!!!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 03:07 PM

goal pirlo

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:10 PM

Abbiati down

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 03:10 PM

abbaiti not looking good

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 03:11 PM

shite abbaiti going off

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:11 PM

Abbiati off Dida coming on

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:12 PM

Not to upset Miz but... SH!T!!!!!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 03:12 PM

one sub gone

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2009, 03:12 PM

Didn't seem dangerous...

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 03:13 PM

i hope dida will be confident

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 03:13 PM

I picked a really bad time to make coffee!

A belated for Pirlo's goal.

And ack for Abbiati. Let's all join the honorary Dida fan club for today!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2009, 03:13 PM

Interesting, the bet365 commentary said "Dida hasn't been the same ever since that flame-thorw incident against Inter". Hmh...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2009, 03:16 PM

Again, Pirlo almost costed us...

Posted by: amancik Mar 15 2009, 03:18 PM

I don't think that makes sense at all...

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:18 PM

We're making bad passes and putting ourselves under pressure

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2009, 03:18 PM

Ancelotti and a red scarf??

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:22 PM

Terrible defending!!!!!

Ambro and Janku get shrugged off like they're not even there. We're asking them to score

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:25 PM

Our defenders making Maccarone look like a cross between Ronaldo and Ronaldinho

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 03:28 PM

janku is defintly much better in midfield

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 15 2009, 03:28 PM

He's a good player though. has always troubled our defense.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:29 PM

Siena players being left with acres of space to put in crosses, and that's not just it, we leave their strikers with time and space to head and shoot at our goal.

The passing has so far been horrible, Ambro, Janku and Beckham all giving the ball away.

Pippo has been invisible so far

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 03:29 PM

btw, Reggina's Corradi just scored - not the best of starts for donadoni's Napoli.

(And the CRA notes sourly that Chievo just scored on Lazio).

EDIT: make that two for Chievo. Lazio's keeper Muslera is down too.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 03:33 PM

sheva sitting so alone on the bench

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:33 PM

Beckham has been awful so far.

Not one decent pass all game long, he's losing the ball when ever he gets it

Posted by: Locke Lamora Mar 15 2009, 03:34 PM

Posted by: vahid Mar 15 2009, 03:34 PM

Good

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 15 2009, 03:35 PM

It's time Kaka was brought in.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:35 PM

Ambro and Janku making my eyes bleed over on that left side

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 03:36 PM

puma warming up

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 03:36 PM

(You were just waiting for the chance to post that picture, weren't you, Locke?)

Almost handbags between Samp and Roma (they're tied 1-1).

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:38 PM

Ambro bad tackle yellow

And for some reason I'm seeing Emerson warming up.

Carlo really hates Milan doesn't he?

And our players have all suddenly forgotten the basic skill of passing the ball

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:46 PM

We're practically asking to get scored on

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:47 PM

Pato manhandled

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 03:47 PM

pato angry

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 03:47 PM

Giampaolo Pazzini is having a good day. He's scored 2 so far against Roma and doesn't look like he's done. HT Samp 2 - 1 Roma.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 03:48 PM

Pippo 2-0

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:48 PM

PIPPO!!!!

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:48 PM

Very lucky to score at that moment because we were getting our @sses handed to us

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 03:48 PM

PIPPO!

(Good lord, we scored off a CORNER!)

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 03:49 PM

that was not offside

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2009, 03:51 PM

Haha, inovative way of celebration..

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 15 2009, 03:51 PM

SUPER PIPPO

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:52 PM

Thank God HT

Some changes need to be made

We have been terrible, very lucky not to conceed and also very lucky in how and when we scored our goals

Kaka or Dinho need to come on for Ambro, he's been terrible losing the ball, getting in Janku's way more then helping him...

Pato has bean isolated and Pippo even more, Becks is not an attacking mid, he needs to be moved back into midfield.

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 15 2009, 03:52 PM

We need Kaka' on or Ronnie to bridge the gap between our strikers and Mids

Posted by: elcordobez Mar 15 2009, 03:52 PM

messy half


hey is it just me or is this field like super narrow?


Ambro/Jank aren't exactly having great games lots of wayward passes

Pato is cornered pretty much everywhere he goes but more room for Pippo

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 03:56 PM

Was just as surprised by it as you where I was not really paying attention when they took the corner because like always we mess it up, but suddenly I see the net bulging and Pippo doing his trademark celebration.


Well I did the "PIPPO!!!!" celebration first but the sheer luck we're having in this game while playing like a Serie C2 team is just astounding. I'm waiting for Carlo to bring on Emerson so he can score with his @ss and Carlo will be called a genius. Because this has been a reidiculous game, the ref is clearly on Milan's side, Siena have not had 1 singe 50/50 call, even the calls that should have gone their way have gone ours....

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 03:58 PM

The score is flattering but I'll take it.

We're awful in attack today.

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 15 2009, 03:58 PM

Of course he's not. it's Milan... Beckham can be a trequartista, a RM or CM. Seedorf can be a striker or a CM, while Ambro can play anywhere, from defense to attack.

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 04:06 PM

Kaka on for... Ambro! Ancelotti is finally being positive, I like it!

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 15 2009, 04:07 PM

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 04:08 PM

(Fishdoll thinks it's the red scarf. Maybe it's like Linus' blanket in the Peanuts cartoons).

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 04:13 PM

The Italian commentary is saying that Abbiati has hurt/sprained his knee, by the way. Doesn't sound like he'll be back next week.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 04:14 PM

pato wow

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 04:14 PM

PATOOOOOO!!!!!!

AMAZINGG!!!!!!!!!!11

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 04:14 PM

OH MY GOD... PATO WHAT A ****ING GOAL!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 04:16 PM

QUACK QUACK

Fishdoll fins up for a lovely goal!

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 04:17 PM

WHAT A MISS

KAKA!!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 04:17 PM

kaka misses a big sitter

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 04:17 PM

I can't believe what Kaka missed there.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 04:17 PM

Took too much time thinking about it and just skied it

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 04:18 PM

Great cut back from Flamini though

He's been great this month, really got into his stride now after a so so start to the season

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 04:21 PM

Oh look we're only playing one defensive mid and Siena don't look any more dangerous... maybe it's because we're not drawing them into our half... I wish the game had 100 years behind it, then we'd knew these things already... oh wait!

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 04:22 PM

Goal

Maccaroni

Finally they scored, we had been asking for it from the first minute

Dida moved like he was in slow motion for that

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 04:22 PM

Ohdear. Goal Maccarone. Our defense was really asking for it.

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 04:22 PM

Siena make it 1-3. Maccarone good goal, I hope we extend the lead again.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 04:22 PM

this is the problem the overconfidence attitude after gettign the lead we still need to defend

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 04:23 PM

Meanwhile, Motta has been sent off for Roma (Samp lead 2-1) and Lecce seem to have forgotten defense as it's Palermo 5-2 Lecce.

EDIT: And Lavezzi equalized for Napoli.

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 15 2009, 04:23 PM

LOOOL couldn't you just hold it?

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 04:23 PM

It looks like we're about to shoot ourselves in the foot with so much time left to play

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 04:25 PM

Dinho warming up

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 15 2009, 04:26 PM

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 04:26 PM

kaka down again

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 04:26 PM

Kaka already out seems to be injured

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 04:27 PM

??

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 04:28 PM

How could the ref and linesman not see that foul on Kaka? I hope he's alright.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 04:30 PM

GOOAALLL

PIPPO 300!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 04:30 PM

300 300 300

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 15 2009, 04:31 PM

nevermind

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 04:31 PM

PIPPO! GOAL 300!!!!!!!!

AHAHAHA he had that ready...a shirt with number 300 on it!

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 04:31 PM

PIPPO! 300 goals in Serie A!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 04:32 PM

kaka-r80 bad newn

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 04:32 PM

Kaka had to come out

Dinho on

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 04:32 PM

Kaka off Ronaldinho on.

No I get what you're saying but the way we're playing does not have much to do with the goal conceded.

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 15 2009, 04:33 PM

Congrats to Pippo!! amazing feat indeed.

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 04:34 PM

I thought it was 300 in his career as a whole!?


Ronaldinho jumped from joy when Pippo scored!

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 04:35 PM

I'm not sure Kaka had to come out; it may be a matter of match fitness for both him and Ronaldinho.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 04:36 PM

re: Pippo's goals, it's 300 in A; the NT and UEFA Competition goals are separate.

EDIT: No, I'm wrong, Fishdoll informs me. It's 300 career goals. Sorry!

And...QUACK QUACK! 5-1!

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 15 2009, 04:36 PM

Yeah it's career total. gli azzurri included

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 04:37 PM

patoo

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 04:37 PM

PATOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great ball from Dinho

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 15 2009, 04:38 PM

So wikipedia's stats are incorrect?

(It's 270 club goals (272 to be exact). 25 for Italy. 3 for U-21 Italy. sums up to 300)

Posted by: vahid Mar 15 2009, 04:38 PM

Now i'm waiting for a Pato/Pippo hattrick

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 04:39 PM

He-he! The duck again!!

Tricked the keeper and placed the ball into the empty goal... the keeper tried to reach the ball faster than Pato... he should know better!

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 04:39 PM

Wikipedia's stats are correct in this case (I edited the earlier post), but I wouldn't ever necessarily trust them for accuracy.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 04:40 PM

Oh Pippo with a miss

Another great ball over the top from Dinho

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 04:43 PM

Sheva on the bench, he looks like a ghost... it almost feels a little sad but no... he gets what he deserves!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 04:43 PM

i hope we will continue 2 stiker even iwth kaka-r80 both fit

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 04:45 PM

Fishdoll sees the Donkeys are trying to match what the Chickens did yesterday. Goal Chievo - they're up by 3 at the Olimpico.

Posted by: vahid Mar 15 2009, 04:48 PM

YES! Don't worry,he deserves it

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 04:48 PM

what happend to roma game did roma lose?

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 04:49 PM

beckham lol

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 04:50 PM

It's a draw (2-2) (Samp conceded a penalty that Baptista converted). Rather an ill-tempered game, all things considered. Lots of fouls and near-handbags.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 15 2009, 04:50 PM

FT

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 04:50 PM

beckham could have scored does not matter that much 5-1 FT

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 04:51 PM

All credit to Siena, btw. They're continuing to attack despite the scoreline.

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 04:51 PM

1-5 FT.

Beckham missing an easy one in the end. He had a good game.

Posted by: elcordobez Mar 15 2009, 04:51 PM

F I V E - O N E ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 04:52 PM

Well, we conceded a goal. That's bad. But we scored off a corner (the first time in ages) so...that balances it.

Now the Italian commentary is saying Kaka's got problems with his foot again and that's why he came off. (I think that's what they're saying. they speak very quickly).

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 15 2009, 04:54 PM

What a game 5 -1 + Pippo on 300 goals and Pato on 14 for this season !!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2009, 04:55 PM

Pippo, Pippo...

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 15 2009, 05:00 PM

Is Curci that good after all??

Posted by: vahid Mar 15 2009, 05:01 PM

Super Pippo 300th goal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIeumCzGPxM

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 05:02 PM

Curci isn't bad, but the keeper Siena had last year is better (Manninger).

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 05:03 PM

Siena did not deserve that scoreline. We were lucky to go 2-0 up in the first half and the game would have been tighter if Pato's quality had not spoken...

We have played with 11 men instead of 10 in the last two games and it has payed off. While some will say that we did not deserve to score 8 goals between the two games (and I partly agree with that) we still looked much better... humans > zombies... after Resident Evil, Milan proves it too...

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 15 2009, 05:11 PM

Let's all pray for a Inter-Viola draw!

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Mar 15 2009, 05:11 PM

Awful first half from us but the second half was much better. As much as I criticize carlo I have to give him credit on two things - 1. He looks like he's finally realised that we are better playing with two forwards, although why it has taken him this long I really don't know! and 2. He actually made an attacking sub at half time when we were 2-0 up! Not so long ago he would have swapped Ambro for neverson! Let's hope he continues to play like this.

Credit to SuperPippo on goal no.300 as well That man was born to score

I just hope the injuries to Ricky and Abbiatti aren't too serious. Abbiatti's looked strange but serious while I didn't see what happened to Ricky(did he come back too soon??).

Overall a great result and should give us some confidence for next weeks tricky trip to Napoli.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Mar 15 2009, 05:13 PM

The biggest difference between us and Siena today was simple - we took our chances.

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 15 2009, 05:15 PM

i hope so

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2009, 05:16 PM

Mainly, that's the story of Calcio for about 100 years.

Posted by: elcordobez Mar 15 2009, 05:18 PM

i have sympathy for Pato all his awesomeness is constantly getting overshadowed this season

i am happy for Pippo though

Posted by: amancik Mar 15 2009, 05:18 PM

yes! finally, I've got something to celebrate this weekend...Pato's first goal reminds me of old Sheva...

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 15 2009, 05:22 PM

Hey , who was man of the match btw ?

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 05:24 PM

+1


That's true. Also, the biggest difference between today's Milan and the usual Milan is that we actually created chances... walking around with complete lack of interest is not going to make you chances.

Posted by: vahid Mar 15 2009, 05:26 PM

http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=116121

NOOOOO

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 15 2009, 05:32 PM

ok im still learning Italian but i think i know what this means off the top of my head " stagione finita in anticipo? "

Posted by: amancik Mar 15 2009, 05:33 PM

Congratulations to Pippo for reaching a great milestone. and to young Pato, who's growing in confidence each game.
He has surpassed the expectations, with 10 games to go, and the current form he's in, 20 goals in a season is not impossible.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 15 2009, 05:34 PM

milannews even saying season over for abbaiti

Posted by: amancik Mar 15 2009, 05:35 PM

Is Abbiati out for the rest of the season?...and Kaka', is he okay?

Posted by: vahid Mar 15 2009, 05:42 PM

^^^

According to milannews and calciomercato yes,Abbiati is out for the rest of season.

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 15 2009, 05:47 PM

What an odd match. How can a young, beefy player like Abbiati get knocked out by 58-year-old Favalli?? Also, someone needs to make a Pippo signature based on the movie "300."

I've been laid up all weekend with a cold. It's my third one in under a year. Jesus.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2009, 05:51 PM

WHAT??? This is crazy!! I mean, did this didn't happen to us for 20 years? Crazy, crazy stuff..

Posted by: vahid Mar 15 2009, 05:53 PM

Why?you still have scudetto hopes?

Oh wait,with scoring 51 goals we have scored more than any teams in serie A.
I think it's the first time during Carletto's coaching time.

(sorry for a lot of grammatically errors in this post! )

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 15 2009, 05:54 PM

We're still letting in one per game, though. That we have to fix.

Posted by: Nova Mar 15 2009, 06:01 PM

I think a lot of milanfans will prefer juve winning the scudetto instead of merda. Painfull to watch , but not as painfull as watching merda levelling with us on winning league titles. And how they won it would make it even more sad ...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2009, 06:07 PM

+1 I'd say any sane Milan fan would prefer Juve this season.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Mar 15 2009, 06:08 PM

I have come to the conclusion that Inzaghi can play till 40, and will still be scoring double digits by then

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 15 2009, 06:10 PM

Maybe. but you know what? Pato will be here for many years (hopefully). sooner or later he will get the recognition he deserves



STILL have Scudetto hopes? not at all. I just think it'd be nice if Juve won the Scudetto AND Genoa finished 4th, ahead of Fiorentina and Roma. that's why I'm hoping for a draw between Fiorentina and Inter.



I promise you, there's only one reason we've been playing with 2 strikers recently, and that's Kaka and Seedorf's injuries. I don't think Carlo has changed his approach at all.

However, if Carlo proves that he's finally changed and even when Seedorf Kaka and Dinho are all healthy and roaring to go, we still play 4-3-1-2, I will change my opinion and support him forever and ever no matter what. ie I will become a Fillipo, Jack, etc.

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 15 2009, 06:19 PM

Rats, you beat me to it.

I agree as well. In times like these, I will be ever the slightest of a Juve fan as long as Gigi continues to wear their shirt. He is the coolest, you know.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Mar 15 2009, 06:20 PM

How long do you think it will be before Galliani says we are not in crisis, and nothing needs to be fixed?

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 06:20 PM

How do they already know how serious Abbiati's injury is? I don't believe it until it's officially announced.

No we used to score a lot when we fielded a team that was running instead of walking. In 05/06 we were even second in Europe, one goal behind Barca in goals scored with 112 (in all competitions) I think?


I agree but I don't think Ancelotti is so stupid to leave either Pato or Pippo out considering the form they are on. Of course Seedorf will be back as soon as he's available and someone else will be dropped.

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 15 2009, 06:32 PM

Looks like when Seedorf doesn't play, his name is mentioned more than when he plays. I mean, he makes more impact on Milan by not playing and that's sad for a talented player like him.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 15 2009, 06:36 PM

Great result. However, crisis is far from over.


Dida 4.5- Should have saved the goal. Really wasn't called up on other than the goal. Hopefully he gets back to his best.

zambrotta 6- Average game for zambrotta. Offensively very poor but solid defensively.

Maldini 8- Holy ****. I am at the point where words cannot express how godly this man is. He cannot be critizied, I dont care what the situation is. For a 41 year old to play like that; words cannot even express how thankful I am he wasn't one of the players injured this season. I wish he would reconsider retirement. The way hes performing he is one of the top 10 defenders in Serie A this season. Maldini 4 lyfe!

Favalli 7- Very good game for favalli. Shaky at times but solid on most occasions. Full credit deserved.

Janku 6- Like zambrotta. Shines in midfield, flops in defence. Sums up his playing style in the last 2 games.

Flamini 8- Monster, animal, mad man flamini, flattuso. Great great performance by him.

Pirlo 7- Took his penalty like a world class penalty taker. Solid performance by pirlo, but nothing really special from him. Overall good performance.

Ambro 5- Lacking match fitness so I cannot blame him. Just came off injury. Wasn't his old self.

Beckham 6.5- Solid performance, could have done better. A little frustrated but I dont blame him. The refs were handicapped to the max.

Pato- 8.5- Genius, amazing wonder talent. I hope we agree a new contract with this school kid very soon. He definitely deserves it.

Inzaghi 8.5- LOL!! @ 36 he's still banging them in like its nothing. Great day for pippo. Wonderful goal off the corner. I hope he keeps it up.

Kaka 5.5- You could see there were glimpses of brilliance but he was lacking in severe match fitness. It showed and terrible miss. I hope he comes back soon, we cannot afford im out too long.

Ronaldinho 7- Wow. Partying too much (doesn't run) but his passing is still there. I hope he continues training, he can be very lethal.

Carlo 7- When wearing the scarf, the carlo in his natural habitat performs like a world class genius. However, when seedorf spilled coffee over the warm and cozy scarf, carlo began to cringe and have 5 bad games. Result turned out against seedof's favor. But the scarf is back and hopefully neverson doesn't touch it.


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Damn @ abbiati out for the season. I just hope dida steps it up and I hope gattuso gets back asap. We need our players back, this is ridicilousl.

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 15 2009, 06:41 PM

His problem is that he just doesn't give a damn anymore. It's definitely not helped by the fact that Carlo would continue to start him even if the stadium were on fire and Seedorf were wearing an asbestos suit.

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 15 2009, 06:46 PM

Good point. I think he deserves more than 2 million/year. especially when I think of the money that goes into some players' pockets. those who barely do anything noteworthy over a season.

Posted by: Nova Mar 15 2009, 06:49 PM

just look at what sheva's is earning ...

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 15 2009, 06:50 PM

I agree. the problem is so obvious.

Can't wait till Seedorf is automatically rewarded with a starting spot when he returns


We are paying Sheva?

Posted by: vahid Mar 15 2009, 06:53 PM

I read some where we pay him more than 4milion/year.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 15 2009, 06:53 PM

75k apparantly. His contract is 150k, and we pay half.

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 15 2009, 06:54 PM

Don't be so touchy on the subject right away; don't forget, this is only Pato's first full season with us. There will be a contract extension and/or restructuring somewhere down the line with the way he's going.


Nice.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 15 2009, 06:54 PM

no thanks. I would rather not go through another season of 4th place and quarters in the champions league.

edit @ bold text: its been 8 years when are they going to give it up LOL!

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 15 2009, 06:56 PM

Would Carlo be saying this if we had lost 5-1?

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Mar 15 2009, 06:56 PM

I would like to personally congratulate Guiseppe Favalli for injuring our first choice goalkeeper for six months. Grazie Mille

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/mar15l.html

Posted by: dst Mar 15 2009, 06:57 PM

Actually the problem is Carlo not Seedorf. I don't blame the Dutch for having zero motivation against mediocre sides. The guy has won 4 CL trophies with 3 different teams it's only normal that he has become lazy... Ancelotti is the one to blame here because as you said he fields him no matter what even after some astonishingly awful displays when he was (no exaggeration here) much more useful to the opposition than to us. There have even been whole months when he did not have a single average at least game (which means he did not deserve a penny of what he earned) and he was still fielded... if not for his displays he should at least be rested because of his age, he's at 32 our most fielded player of the last 3 seasons (along with Pirlo and Gattuso)!


Damn you found out!

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 15 2009, 06:59 PM

Time for a new keeper I guess. There is no point in keeping abbiat if hes going to be out for 6 months. We could wait for him to come back, but I doubt he'll be the same player again. I say go for a keeper from spain. They seem to be excellent shot stoppers.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Mar 15 2009, 07:07 PM

?

Abbiati is out for six months, he hasnt broken his spine, or been hit by a flare

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 15 2009, 07:10 PM

As much as I like the guy, enough is enough. Can we say "barbershop," boys and girls?

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 15 2009, 07:12 PM

Do you really want to go thru pre season with dida? The best we can get and hope is that he gets back by september. Missing pre season will hurt him a lot. He lets a few goals in and his confidence will be zero. Without the friendlies he will take until october/november to get back to his best. That is if he gets back to his best.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 15 2009, 07:13 PM

5-1.. Man I wish I'd watched this instead of Villa!

Posted by: Warchant Mar 15 2009, 07:18 PM

congrats Inzaghi! amazing goal scorer!

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Mar 15 2009, 07:28 PM

Hooray for Captain Obvious

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 07:31 PM

re: Abbiati's injury: the press seem to think there may be ligament damage to his knee. IF that's true then yeah, season over. But something like that is not likely to be confirmed for a couple of days. It could just be a bad knock.

Fishdoll wants Carlo to always wear the Red Scarf of Courageous Subs.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 15 2009, 07:48 PM

I hope hes back sooner than that but if its true we need to go for a keeper. carlo and his scarf lol. I bet galliani bought him that too

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2009, 09:16 PM

Turning into a Fillipo or Jack...gee, it sound's really like an awfull thing. I've been inside Fillipo's mind you know, and it's a scary place.


Now, talking of Ancelotti. He's not an idiot, and also not stupid. He, speaking from an Ancelottocentric viewpoint, needs (if he stays at Milan) change in his selection - Pirlo, Ambrosini, Seedorf, Kaka, Rino, etc. someone has to go away. They're too connected and too long together to have a normal relationship. You see, Dinho, a newcomer isn't such a problem - as soon as he started playing bad or do some side-jobs, he dropped him.

That said, I'm not sure wether the best thing is to keep our current coach or keep our current core. But I don't think we should bother with this matter right now.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 15 2009, 09:22 PM

I dont know whether to think you are being sarcastic or serious....

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2009, 09:24 PM

First or second part?

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 15 2009, 09:27 PM

both....

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2009, 09:34 PM

Only Fillipo's mind can tell..

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 15 2009, 09:42 PM

lol forsure phillips

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 09:59 PM

Fishdoll is afraid of Fillipo's mind.

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 15 2009, 10:25 PM

Perhaps Fishdoll needs to go a little Nurse Ratched on Filippo?

Posted by: Rivaldo Mar 15 2009, 10:51 PM

Milan -

Pippo -

Pato -

Abbi -

Kaka -
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AC Milan's Kaka (L) talks to his coach Carlo Ancelotti as he leaves the field injured during their Italian Serie A soccer match against Siena in Siena March 15, 2009.

I hope it is not a row between Kaka abd Ancelotti....

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 15 2009, 11:06 PM

There's nothing in there that indicates that.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 15 2009, 11:40 PM

Ancelotti looks almost like Jack Nicholson there. Cool.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 15 2009, 11:54 PM

Kaka apparently got a good kick to his injured foot and was taken off as a precaution (according to the latest Italian reports).

Posted by: Tennie Mar 16 2009, 12:34 AM

And Pippo got a player rating of 8 (high even for a striker).

Posted by: gal_kenny Mar 16 2009, 12:44 AM

Guys i just realised that the first top 3 clubs in england, spain, and Italy have direct passage into the champions league..I thought it was just only the first top 2 clubs that had direct passage and that the remaining two of the four clubs would play pre-qualifying rounds why is dat?

Posted by: Tennie Mar 16 2009, 12:54 AM

Because the rules changed. You can check out the rules on UEFA's website.

Posted by: gal_kenny Mar 16 2009, 01:02 AM

Thanks Tennie...i'll definitely check that out

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 16 2009, 02:14 AM

It's because of Platini's fixation with lesser teams progressing further into the CL. Just ask Sporting how THAT worked out.

Posted by: pandan_wangi Mar 16 2009, 04:48 AM

About this winning, i thought that stubborn Ancelotti is going to melt since he plays 2 strikers in his starting XI,
and second half also better, that he replaced DM with AM, as we can see, Milan extend the gap to 5 goals againts 1.

Great tactic coach !! Again, two stikers more strike than one, so why bother coach ?? Keep the two strikers formation !!

While the Pato Pippo duet goes awesone, Sheva feels lonely on bench, what a pity...
and let's hope Abbiatti get well soon, this winning is dedicated for you Abbiati..

Posted by: pandan_wangi Mar 16 2009, 04:51 AM

that's why our season goal changed to 3rd position not 2nd position..

Posted by: gal_kenny Mar 16 2009, 05:24 AM

That is why Galliani is very stupid...First of all, at the beginning of the season, he said that if Carlo doesn't win the league he'll be out...ait he was out of the race not even close to the end of the season...he lost the coppa italia, uefa cup....wat next are we keeping him for....?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 16 2009, 06:15 AM

Because if you look at our injury list since December, it's been pretty much first team.

Galliani cannot ignore that most of our key players have been out.

Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 16 2009, 07:41 AM

+1 sad but true. In terms of fair play i agree with you. Its been hard on carlo with the sick joke going on this season, however it does not excuse his mental handicapness.


Even when we did have the squad, we lost too many games just based on his tactics and subs alone.


one more thing jack; you and me= destiny

Posted by: han2503 Mar 16 2009, 07:46 AM

Nesta is the only key player that has been out for a long time. Gattuso is the other big miss but other then that it has been the usual ins and outs when it comes to injuries.

Had we not lost all those points at the beginning of the season when we were basically at full strength we would not have been immediately removed from the running the moment things got a bit tough with the injuries.

Plus looking at the teams we faced that we lost points against throughout the season, it had nothing to do with injured players but with the mantelity of this team and coach, most of those lost points came from games where we score early and try to hold on, going on the defensive, putting in defensive subs for the attacking players and conceeding the equilizer or winner in the last moments of the match. Imo that is what cost us the league not the injuries. The coach is responsible for us not putting up a better challenge for both the league and UEFA Cup, and no matter how many excuses anyone tries to put up to cover Carlo's @ss the obvious is still there, had he been a better coach we probably would have won this title easily, considering all of Inter's hick-ups, Juve's terrible start and hot and cold form, and Roma being MIA for most of the season. And also the fact that we had no CL to use as an excuse for not putting the league as top priority

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 16 2009, 07:50 AM

Sorry, Blue, but I already have that distinction with Jack. The pirate is MINE.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Mar 16 2009, 08:01 AM

OMG i just realised that jack sparrow has a Favalli sig!

Someone quickly assassinate him

Posted by: Ry4n Mar 16 2009, 08:04 AM

Great sig Jack love the quotation !!!!

Posted by: 6Best Mar 16 2009, 08:53 AM

Hope we play 2 strikers regurarly........... .

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 16 2009, 10:00 AM

I saw the replay on FSC. The Abs/Favalli collision may have looked innocuous, but they definitely banged knees. That could easily snap or break something. That first goal from Pato...Holy Christ, that's all I can say.

At the end of the match, FSC actually said that this was Abs' first year as Milan's #1. Guess '99-02 never existed, eh?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 16 2009, 11:09 AM

Thanks Ry4n. Credit to arivanjj for the sig. I wanted to put it in, but the sig size limiter won't allow it.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 16 2009, 01:14 PM

Managed to finally catch some highlights.

Whoever would have thought we won, yet again, while playing with 2 strikers? Carlo is so annoying..

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Mar 16 2009, 04:48 PM

Don't worry Kurt, as soon as carlo's lover is fit he will come back and Pato will be isolated once again

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Mar 16 2009, 04:49 PM

+1

Posted by: Habitant Mar 16 2009, 06:55 PM

come on, i wouldnt go that far. their relationship is purely carnal. judging by zees physique i take it he's the receiver

Posted by: ACM1899 Mar 17 2009, 02:52 AM

Moderators can you please start a thread..


Galaxy vs Milan!!!! July 19th Tickets are on sale lagalaxy.com.. I got my tickets just wanted to spread the good news.

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 17 2009, 06:47 AM

*yawn*

Posted by: han2503 Mar 17 2009, 07:04 AM

I can see now how we made the Beckham deal go through

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 17 2009, 07:39 AM

It's ok. Off season right?

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 17 2009, 08:32 AM

For ****'s sake!! Galaxy-Milan?

What exactly are we doing? are we really going to go all the way to America to play with.. Galaxy?

Posted by: MizNelson Mar 17 2009, 08:38 AM

In two years, we've gone from CL champs to slumming it with MLS teams. How the mighty have fallen.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 17 2009, 08:43 AM

What's with the serious over reaction?? There are no objections raised when Madrid go to Japan in off season? Yeesh. So yes, it's probably a money thing, but so what? Not like we're going mid-week before a league match.

Posted by: vnata001 Mar 17 2009, 09:41 AM

yea seriously it's a summer tour. Milan, with all their stars, particularly media darling ronaldinho (la=mexico=ronaldinho fans) coming to play the La Galaxy, with Becks playing against Milan..will be hyped up so much by the media it will serve only to raise the profile of the club ever so slightly here..hell chelsea tours all the time, as does barca. In fact i saw chelsea at stanford university a few summers ago. It was Shev's first few games for chelsea, and he certainly stank it up when i saw him =)

plus well sh!t, i'm not missing this opportunity, i'm definitely going to be there, and i've never seen milan play before in person. i'm heartbroken that maldini won't be there, but i can't wait to be able to say "I've seen Kaka, Ronaldinho, Pato, Pirlo, Gattuso, etc play"

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 17 2009, 09:49 AM

Oh yeah...

Chelsea was the club I was looking for. Not sure if Madrid still tour Japan, after the end of the Galatico era.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 17 2009, 11:07 AM

Thing is, it's in July so it'll be very early in the preseason training -- who's actually going to play? Perhaps 1 or 2 significant players but I'd expect to see next year's equivalent of the Uru-kids, Darmian, etc. too.

So, is somoene going to open the match thread?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 17 2009, 12:18 PM

Don't think there's any need 10ie. Put it up in the calendar, we'll open a thread for it around July.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 17 2009, 12:53 PM

@han: I don't know. While I can't disagree with you completely, I still feel that we've been seriously handicapped by injuries. See the thing is you've talked about Inter's hiccups, Juve's terrible start etc. Now I believe that every team has that in a season. So did Milan. The difference is, anytime we looked like making a proper rally for it, someone would get injured. We were never in a position of full strength to really make a comeback.

Sandro has been a HUGE miss. Rino was red-hot when he went out. Flamini has only recently begun to exert himself on the team, and started playing that role we thought he would at the beginning of tghe season. Borriello was actually pretty key for us, till he went out. Pato had to play lone striker for some time till Pippo came back in.

I don't think we've actually lost more than say 6-7 points MAX coz of iffy substitutions. Then again, you can't say directly that X sub was the reason for a loss, unless the X sub scored an own goal, but I get what you mean anyway.

I think the injuries totally screwed up our team rotation. I think there was no underlying stability coz of that. I also think that because of that our players were often tired and playing when not fully fit.

To which there is an argument, that why don't we try Cardaccio/Viudez or Darmian or anyone of those other players who never get a look in.

I don't have a counter-argument. I've always maintained that Carlo is not the best coach for youth, since he's a tactician primarily. Also I've been talking for some time about how Carlo needs a proper assistant coach. Not some guy like Tassotti who's more of a sidekick.(I love Tassotti, but c'mon we need someone with a great track record like Ten Cate). All I can say is when we hype all these youngsters, it's mostly coz we're sick of seeing the same guys have their same weaknesses exposed. So we want a change. But we've never seen these youngsters a lot. Not like we watch training videos or anything. Perhaps, they might have a huge set of gaps that might make us even more susceptible. A case in point would be I dunno...David Bentley. Or Vargas for the Viola. Thhey both looked like solid purchases, but have so far sucked @ss.


I know that I'm considered a blind Carlo supporter, a tag I don't mind in the least. But I only speak up when I feel he's been accused unfairly of stuff. I think with our injury situation, a 2nd place position would be about par for the course, and I do believe that we're on track for it. It's really not easy tactics wise to come up with something new when vital positions like DM, CB, or KAKA (yup that's a position! ) are always affected.

As for Carlo:

1. He ain't good for youth. He's a tactician. He wants players who are smart enough to get tactics and play them. He doesn't give a rat's @ss about how many step overs you can do, and how good your first touch is, if as a CM you're not tracking back to cut space (for instance). As far as he's concerned, you work your way up the food chain to get a free role. Pato had to go through it, and he did. The boy put his head down and worked hard, and I seriously think Pato is in Carlo's good books now. I think this is where Yoann and Gila went wrong.

2. He has little say on transfers in the club. Only on tactics. He can say, I want a DM and talk about Emerson. He gets Brocchi. He can talk about an AM to complement Kaka and talk about Ribery. They will get him R80. That's the way it works. You can't blame the management coz unlike Moratti, they're not going to go into debt coz their coach's got the hots for some guy. No...Carlo doesn't talk back. Maybe he understands the financial situation. I kinda think it's a sign of affection for the club that he doesn't pack his bags and leave when he didn't get things done his way.

3. He's not a drillmaster. Nope. This is something that I feel is a big gap in his coaching. Our team while tactically sound is not a well drilled regiment, like something Mourinho would put out. Which is why when a team like Man U comes to the Siro, and the boys are sharp, we kick their butts. But when a team like Reggina comes by, we are not motivated enough, and so are caught napping. If they were drilled properly, what needed to be done would be like muscle memory.

4. Playing favourites. I don't completely agree he 'plays' favourites. But yes he does have his favourites. Seedorf is one. But you have heard him talk about Seedorf so highly. I think there's a lot of mutual respect there. Carlo considers Zee a leader on the field. His go-to-guy along with Maldini and Kaka in that line-up to pull Milan out of any situation. I think Zee has delivered enough times for his loyalty and importance to be beyond question. Tactically though, I think Zee has been marooned a bit. He wants to play treqqie, yet he's been accomodated in a position and style of play which suits Kaka/a mobile AM. Usually in Milan, the offensive tactics are centred around Kaka's strengths (not without reason)...and Zee is always the person doing the heavy lugging. He's the unglamorous player. Either the junction player. Or the fellow who has to fall back and help the midfield with defending etc. So obviously, you don't see him show up like we know he can.

I think Zee in a formation like this

------------------Pippo---------------
-----Pato-------------------Rossi-----
-----------------Zee-------------------


would be more effective than

------Pato-------Pippo---------
-----------Zee-----------------


In Italy, I think opposing teams know what Zee can do. They're onto him pretty quickly. It's not quite the same in Europe, where teams in a bid to attack, don't really have enough players to stifle Zee, Pirlo AND Kaka. This means Zee can turn it on, as he likes it, while still playing that 'junction role'.

But of course, that's the way I see it, and you guys might have a different view.


Sorry, didn't mean to take it OT, but I was afraid han would feel bad if I didn't reply with a monster.


@Bluey: LMAO at your Destiny comment Dozer!! I'm the Jerry to your Ben, the Beavis to your Butthead, the Lennon to your McCartney, the Perry to your Tyler, the Pana to your Porty.

Posted by: arivanjj Mar 17 2009, 12:59 PM

versing Napoli away next match... this is where we start losing.. right?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 17 2009, 01:05 PM

Depends. New coach, new tactics. We might have a chance. But ex-Milan players always want to shine in front of their old team, and that might go for Donadoni as well.

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 17 2009, 02:31 PM

I'm eager to see how Don's Napoli do in the remainder of the season. who knows, if he revives Napoli he could be on Milan's bench next season...

Well, right now Napoli can't even beat the relegation battling sides. they are about the weakest side in the league atm. it's all psychological though - the talented squad is still there. I wouldn't rule out a Napoli come back against us (of all the teams!). they like to beat big teams at San Paolo.

Posted by: Tennie Mar 17 2009, 02:33 PM

Time for a match thread then, zeddie?

Posted by: Zed.D Mar 17 2009, 02:51 PM

Sure

Posted by: han2503 Mar 17 2009, 07:39 PM

@ Jack I'm going to give you a fancy reply to your fancy post with color codes and numbering, it's going to take a while to read that baby

Posted by: han2503 Mar 17 2009, 08:38 PM

Well Jack at the beginning of the season, only Nesta was injured, other then that most of the time we had a fully fit team. And imo, that is the time where we lost any chance of winning the league. We had a fully fit squad, yes we scraped through with the odd goal here and there but we lost a lot of points because of bad tactical decisions, not the injuries. I just think that had we not lost silly points during the time when we had a fit squad then we wouldn't have felt the points we lost now because of the crises, and I still don't agree on blaming all these lost points on injuries, since Carlo has the players and should have the tactical know how to overcome such bumps in the road and we would still win against the Reggina's and Lecce's of this league...

I'm not saying that Nesta isn't a huge miss, but Serie B sides know how to defend an arial ball better then us for God's sakes. And we supposedly have top quality defenders. We lost Rino at a difficuilt time, yes, but we still lost a lot of crucial points when he was still in the squad, same for Kaka and Pirlo. As for Boriello, he's played a total of something like 4 games, I wouldn't go as far as saying that we missed him since we don't know what it's like to have a fully fit Boriello that is well integrated into the team, imo he was never really key for us since we don't know what it's like to have him for an extended run. And Pato had to play lone striker because Carlo always wanted to play the xmas tree, when there is 2 of Seedorf, Kaka and Dinho fit, Carlo will use the xmas tree, simple as that, the only reason Pippo even got a look-in these past couple of weeks is because Kaka and Dinho were injured and now even Seedorf is crocked.

It's not about iffy subs only, it's about the subs, the defensive tactics that are immediately implemented the moment we score, even if that is in the first 5 minutes of the match, the complaicency of this team, that imo, is another bad reflection of our coach projecting itself onto the field. I think that if you go through all the games we played this season, we've lost about 15 to 20 points because of these factors. Non have anything to do with the injuries we have but all these issues I mentioned above that we have been suffering from for these last 3 years. Complaicency, negative play, and bad tactical decisions.

Even when we had a fit squad Carlo never rotates in league matches, the only time you ever see a "bench" player stepping onto the field is if it's a UEFA Cup game. Other then that he's happy to run our best players into the ground for league matches. He never rotates, he has a fixed formation and squad of starters and that is what he sticks to unless it's Coppa or friendlies. This season we were lucky because we played in the UEFA Cup, because you can rest assured that had it been the CL the regular starters in the league would have played those midweek games too.

As for the youngsters issue, I think this is an issue that we've pretty much exhausted beyond belief. All I have to say about it is that yes we don't know what a youngster is made of until we see him either screw up or emerge as a major prospect after seeing him on the field. But what excuse is there for not playing them when you've got Kaladze and Senderos making themselves look rediculous and kicking air instead of clearing simple balls and costing us matches over and over again, or guys like Seedorf coming out with half @ssed attitudes towards the Reggina's and Bologna's of this league, and then having talented youngsters on the bench like Darmian and Cardacio who are raring to go and make a good impression and you never give them a chance, yet the only difference between these 2 types of players is that one of them get to play every week and basically don't give a sh!t or are too terrible for words yet the still play because they are on the wrong side of 30 and the others don't play because they are on the right side of 20.


Well Inter and Juve both had major injury problems this season, they both had tactical problems and Juve have a team that imo, isn't half as talented as ours is. Yet they have both done better then us and had to play in the CL while going further then us in the Coppa. All these excuses that we keep trying to make for ourselves are groundless when you compare ourselves to our main competitors, and you see that they've had to contend with the same problems that we have and have both managed them far better then us. Again, I benefit this to the fact that their coaches are willing to make neccissary changes to their system instead of like Carlo, who keeps insisting on the same thing even when he can obviously see that it's clearly not working. Even Mourinho, who imo, is the most pompous, arrogant @sshole there is, admitted his shortcomings and made changes to his system, reverting from his coveted 4-3-3 to a 4-3-1-2.


1. Come on Jack, it's not like he's ever benched Seedorf for not tracking back and doing the work in midfield, when in most games you can see him jogging around the pitch while the team is trying to defend, even Pato and Pippo sometimes drop deaper then him to help out the team, yet you still see him come out first in every match whenever he's fit. Carlo to me is simply all about favourites, I don't see Darmian ever try to do any step overs to impress, he's always been very solid when I've seen him yet he never gets a chance, and you mentioned Yoann and Gila in the same sentence when to me their situations where complete opposites of eachother. Yoann rarely got chances and he started very well at Milan and it was obvious that whenever he got his usual 10 minutes every month that he wasn't in touch with the game and his team mates, Carlo never really liked him, yet Gila was given chance, after chance, after chance. And I'm saying this while I admit that I was a huge Gila supporter. I'm not saying fan but supporter, I believed that he would come good but he didn't. Yet Carlo always gave him the chances, and the moment Yoann even put a foot wrong he was out of there.

2. To me this is another reason why Carlo needs to leave, he does not stand up for himself, he's basically Galliani's door mat for God's sakes. Why do you think Galliani loves him so much? Because he lets him interfere in everything from tactics to line-ups, and most importantly doesn't complain about transfers or lack-there-of in our case. No other coach would put up with the cr@p Carlo dose and imo this holds us back a lot, Carlo is the coach, the players that are brought in are players that Carlo himself has to integrate into HIS team, he should be the one making these choices not Fester. I sometimes can't help but feel sorry for him, like for example, before the season started, when Galliani was asked if everyone was happy with the Sheva transfer and he said that he and B are very happy about it, with total disregard towards Carlo, who at the end of the day is the one who has to handle and dressing room handbags as Tennie would say. Or when Galliani said that Carlo has to win the league, that they've made purchases in the market and Carlo should be able to win the league. I don't see how that is fair since not a single one of those transfer choices was made by Carlo

3. No Carlo is not a drill master he never was, but inthe past we had a well organised team that knew how to defend and attack as a team, this was under Carlo. Now to me it seems like he's lost control of his team. And you can say that we can kick Man U's @ss all you want, but fact is, that type of game comes once maybe twice every year, we have to play the Bologna's and Lecce's week in week out in the league, and these are the types of teams you have to win against if you want to win the league, not only the 6 fixtures against big teams, simple as that.

4. I think you know how I feel about the favourites issue, some of us see it, some of us don't I just think it's blantantly obvious and those who don't see it are those who choose to ignore it. As for Seedorf's position, Seedorf always played in the midfield 3 under Carlo, he was revived in that position after failing miserably at Inter trying to play the tequartista position. Even when we didn't have Kaka in the team, Seedorf always played in the midfield 3, and imo this is where he plays best. So I don't think his position should excuse his mostly indifferent performances, he's a player that has won EVERYTHING there is to win in football THRICE over, it's obvious that the passion he once had is not there anymore. He picks and chooses the games he plays, yet still does not want to be benched or he'll create problems in the team. I wouldn't call that respectable or honourable behaviour.

As for his position, I already stated where that is, next to Pirlo in the midfield 3, he's too slow to play as an AM.

And Jack you wouldn't be you without the monster posts, I just took it upon myself to create a monster bigger then yours