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post Nov 7 2014, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 7 2014, 03:49 PM) *
Why's that an issue? You seem to pretend it's not for Glass Rose.

I'm not saying it should be an issue, I'm saying it could be. And that's because MvG is not playing. Rose is and is actually looking good.

I'm supposed to believe that a player who has appeared in a couple of games for Chelsea and supposedly looked good has had this unquestionable talent of his not affected by an ACL injury and despite that is getting held back by Inzaghi for whatever reason.

Why would I believe that? I can't and I won't until he actually plays and plays well.
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post Nov 7 2014, 04:00 PM
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Basically none of us knows if he's good at all, none of us knows how (if at all) his injury has affected him yet this is still somehow an issue!!
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post Nov 7 2014, 04:01 PM
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**** MvG I hate him already! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Nov 7 2014, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Nov 7 2014, 02:46 PM) *
Well first of all we're talking about a player that could possibly, as some people that have seen him play one and a half games tell us, make it at Chelsea and you're giving me two examples of players that didn't. Sturridge and Lukaku. I'm pretty sure MvG can achieve that feat.
I don't remember what happened with Beckham.
I'll take Wilshere and Marchisio as their case is similar. Still, as you might notice all these players stayed in the league their loaner team play at. That's not by chance, you'd want a young player to play in the league you're competing in and get used to it and you'd especially not want your player playing in his third different league in three seasons as is the case with MvG. Also, none of them came off an ACL injury.

I could take all of them as good examples and my point still would just change to it's rare for that to happen.

Honestly, give me one reason not to believe that post-surgery MvG is a hyped-up nothing rather than a great talent that Inzaghi refuses to play because they have different tastes in music or something. There's nothing you could say to change my view of him. Until MvG actually plays again and is good he's a big fat nobody.


All I can say is the 30 minutes he actually got was some of the best midfield play we've produced all season.

I'm guessing you didn't see it.
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post Nov 7 2014, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 7 2014, 04:03 PM) *
All I can say is the 30 minutes he actually got was some of the best midfield play we've produced all season.

I'm guessing you didn't see it.

OK I'm sorry I thought we were basing this on nothing but it's actually 30 minutes. This changes everything!

No I didn't.

So, we're saying that a nobody coach has this great talent in his hands but is unwilling to help himself out and improve his chances of keeping his job by playing him.

I'm not saying this couldn't be the case, I've seen crazier things happen probably (I don't know, have I?), but my view of him is not gonna change based on nothing. Oh, sorry again that's 30 minutes.
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post Nov 7 2014, 04:18 PM
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Give me a reason Inzaghi is doing that to himself and Milan.

Is he such a bad evaluator of a talent? After all, he sees this kid every day and we only needed 30 minutes to see the kid's got great potential.

Does he hold a grudge on him?

Is he punishing him for some reason?

I can't see why. And until the kid plays and plays well I can't say Inzaghi is doing anything wrong. This is at the moment a huge non-issue.
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post Nov 7 2014, 04:50 PM
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4 draws, 1 defeat and 2 wins in 7 matches suggests he's doing something wrong.

I'm not saying MvG is the answer to Milan's problems, but the fact he's been unwilling to play him despite a very impressive half v Empoli yet continues to play the unreliable firecracker that is Muntari (when available) suggests questions can rightly be asked.

After all, this promising Chelsea kid cost Mourinho 8M last season but few players of his age could breach the sensational midfield they have. Would I play him over Matic, Fabregas or Mikel - no - because Chelsea are MUCH better than Milan. But MvG has the talent, to, in time, improve. Who knows what level to, but then to develop promising young players you LOAN THEM OUT to 'lesser' ((IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ) clubs so they get game time and experience.

No wonder his agent is having a rant.

Even our other 'big' summer midfield signing (7M) Bonaventura himself has only started 4 matches while Muntari has 8 starts. What's the point of bringing in these players if you don't intend to play them and continue with the same players you already have - you know, the ones not actually performing at all?

Then there's the embarrasing Armero. Before the season started I wondered why we'd bothered signing him at all, you guys will remember me saying it was pointless given he was a Colombian LB world cup quarter finalist but with MDS did we need a player of that quality in that position given we already had one? Yet even when MDS' form dipped violently (there has been recent improvement) and indeed it cost us 2 points v Fiorentina Armero remained on the bench. So, if you're going to sign a player of that quality as 'competition' for your star LB but won't actually play him when the star LB's form crumples anyway, it's just a complete joke.

And don't get me started on the defence - while injury excuses the Palermo debacle (to an extent) Pippo's cast-iron refusal to start the same defence twice in a row this season is quite simply shocking.

No wonder we concede repeatedly.

So yes, I do ask questions of Pippo, and his approach. I don't even think he's out of his depth - was Allegri? Leonardo? Seedorf?

No. I just think we get the wrong managers who have a bizarre stubbornness (in their own unique ways) and it's their way or the highway.

They pay no attention to results or form, but start teams based on their own favourites.

And I'm pretty tired of it.
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post Nov 7 2014, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 7 2014, 06:03 PM) *
All I can say is the 30 minutes he actually got was some of the best midfield play we've produced all season.

I'm guessing you didn't see it.

Are you serious?
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post Nov 7 2014, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Nov 7 2014, 04:13 PM) *
OK I'm sorry I thought we were basing this on nothing but it's actually 30 minutes. This changes everything!

No I didn't.

So, we're saying that a nobody coach has this great talent in his hands but is unwilling to help himself out and improve his chances of keeping his job by playing him.

I'm not saying this couldn't be the case, I've seen crazier things happen probably (I don't know, have I?), but my view of him is not gonna change based on nothing. Oh, sorry again that's 30 minutes.

Hey, the man plays Muntari each and every week like he's some masochist, so your theory couldn't be all that far fetched

I'm not going to join the jump the gun bandwagon and agree with Danny here (with regards to his supposed greatness). But the point is we have a horrible midfield and yet the coach still chooses to play the duds that have so far shown nothing but terrible football in these 10 weeks of Serie A games while VG has sat on the bench doing nothing.

At least if the others aren't doing the job give him a chance to prove himself, it's not like he's benching Xavi/Pirlo/Vidal/Pogba so van Ginkel could play
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post Nov 7 2014, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 7 2014, 04:43 PM) *
Are you serious?


Yes, I was right, he didn't see it.
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post Nov 7 2014, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 7 2014, 04:47 PM) *
At least if the others aren't doing the job give him a chance to prove himself, it's not like he's benching Xavi/Pirlo/Vidal/Pogba so van Ginkel could play


All I'm saying.
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post Nov 8 2014, 01:35 AM
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Essien and Muntari are like Modric and Kroos in Pippo's eyes.
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post Nov 8 2014, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 7 2014, 07:47 PM) *
Hey, the man plays Muntari each and every week like he's some masochist, so your theory couldn't be all that far fetched

I'm not going to join the jump the gun bandwagon and agree with Danny here (with regards to his supposed greatness). But the point is we have a horrible midfield and yet the coach still chooses to play the duds that have so far shown nothing but terrible football in these 10 weeks of Serie A games while VG has sat on the bench doing nothing.

At least if the others aren't doing the job give him a chance to prove himself, it's not like he's benching Xavi/Pirlo/Vidal/Pogba so van Ginkel could play

But now I'm baffled. Against Palermo Pippo played a different midfield without Muntari, yet you say there was no evident difference. What does that mean now?
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post Nov 8 2014, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 8 2014, 01:19 PM) *
But now I'm baffled. Against Palermo Pippo played a different midfield without Muntari, yet you say there was no evident difference. What does that mean now?

No evident difference in how we cover spaces (i.e. it's non existent either way even with the extra defensive minded player)

Muntari is not just a problem because he's an extra brainless player in a midfield that's desperate for some creativity. I'm sure if he did his job half decently most Milan fans wouldn't have the kind of problems they have with him. What's really terrible with Muntari is that he thinks he's better than he is. He tries ridiculous sh!t that never comes off and as a consequence of this he puts the entire team under pressure.

Someone pointed out an anecdote during the Verona game I think it was. Muntari has SES open right in front of him, Pippo is screaming his head off for him to pass it to SES, and what does Muntari do? Tries to dribble 2 Verona players, gets caught and loses the ball, handing over possession to them in a dangerous area of the pitch

This is the type of BS that I can't stand to watch him do, and it's why in my eyes, no matter how many pot shot goals he's managed to score, he'll always be a liability to play in midfield.
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post Nov 8 2014, 03:08 PM
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Bottom line is, any which way you look, we have 1) a tactical problem and 2) a midfield problem.

I just know that Muntari isn't completely useless, he does add something positive to our gameplan. Yet, the negatives outweigh the positives and he can't be considered a starter. Yet, Poli can't be either. Saponara as well. And soon we're reduced to van Ginkel being our "sure thing" and "hope".
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