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Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2012, 07:04 PM

I'll be a Cagliari fan on this day maybe ANOTHER loss will finally convince Galliani to show 'El Stupido' the door.

BTW, he who shall not be named is banned from the touchline for this one, probably annoyed the hell out of the 4th official. Screaming "DAI DAI DAI" every 5 minutes has got to be irritating as sh!t

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 24 2012, 07:27 PM

Maybe if Milan "fans" supported the team and the "players" actually performed we wouldn't be in this mess. Oh well. Not like these "fans" seem to care anyway. Yeah, let's lose more!

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 24 2012, 07:38 PM

PROBABLE LINE-UP

(4-3-3): Abbiati; Abate, Mexes, Bonera, Antonini; Montolivo, De Jong, Ambrosini; El Shaarawy, Pazzini, Emanuelson.

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/calcioserieA/articoli/15197/serie-a-la-5a-giornata-live.shtml

I wonder what we signed Bojan for. And Ambrosini as LCM is not good.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 24 2012, 07:41 PM

Depth. It makes sense we rather play our own talent El Shaarawy, and I personally don't find Emanuelson that bad.

Ambrosini should play in front of defense, yes. Montolivo on his left, and De Jong on his right. That actually I would love to see. I think that's best position for all of them. I am afraid Allegri plays Ambrosini and De Jong vice versa.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 24 2012, 07:49 PM

We're going to win. sorry han.

Posted by: William405 Sep 24 2012, 08:00 PM

Yeah Emanuelson is better than Nocerino according to you

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 24 2012, 08:13 PM

You disagree?

Even now?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2012, 08:25 PM

Any fan would want to see Milan get out of this mess. Allegri is not the man who will do that no matter how much you wish he could

I'm a Milan not an Allegri fan. BIG difference!

@ zeddie, with that lineup it will be loss numero 4 for the season. Ambrosini and De Jong in a 3 man midfield, Urby again as part of the front 3. The man simply does not learn from his previous mistakes and has his head too far up his @ss to accept that he needs to change his system because it is not working.

If he wants to play a proper 4-3-3 than he'd go for something like this:



Or if he truely was committed to changing his system he'd try something like this:



In ragards to the 1st formation, Pazzini is clearly not delivering, he's barely getting 10 touches of the ball in each game. He's useless without constant service, so having a versatile front 3 would be more beneficial than having someone standing around up there and 2 guys on the wing trying to punt in crosses at his head.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 24 2012, 08:42 PM

Indeed. I want my teams to get out of a mess by winning. Not losing and hoping that things change, you know, like a fan?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 24 2012, 08:46 PM

I see where your coming from .. I would like nothing better than a gradual improvement in our results. If Allegri is still coach, then thumbs up to him.

Much of our stuttering start falls on the shoulders of Allegri. Obviously he is the easiest person to target, and I don't blame the 'fans' for singling him out. As it is his job to make a team out of this squad.

Yet I do beg to question, what if this team isn't up to the task of finishing 3rd or 4th?

But I definitely don't agree with han's insight of wishing us more damage, after-all, with or without Allegri Milan's fate is destined to have a rough season.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 24 2012, 09:59 PM

Ahh, Cagliari will lose, it's so obvious. Max will be gifted a win by his friends. Relax.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 24 2012, 10:03 PM

It's lose, not loose! please, you've been spelling this word wrong for too long!

And... it'll be a laugh if we actually lose this one now that you said that.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 24 2012, 10:09 PM

It was a joke man, nowadays Milan is pretty much unpredictable.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 24 2012, 10:18 PM

A joke but it certainly had some intended hidden truth to it

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 24 2012, 10:31 PM

Haha, always.

But seriously, no conspiration.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 24 2012, 10:37 PM

Hey, lose or loose (like I said in another post that was my first and only intentional mix up in English, ever) doesn't matter in this case. Allegri, Cagliari, friends, frenemies, this Milan, pressure, fans, players, management, everybody in this instance is both lose and loose. So the match itself isn't out of the loop.

If he still is on good terms with Cagliari, they'll draw or play out a low intensity defeat. Agree with Fillipo. This is Serie A, after all, I've seen worse happen over the years. Heck, this reminds me, when do we play Genoa?!

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 24 2012, 10:40 PM

LOL, you guys seriously think Cagliari will let us win on purpose? WTF?!

Posted by: acid911 Sep 24 2012, 10:45 PM

No, I seriously expect them to play a low-intensity affair. If the opposing players still like the guy in your avatar. At worst, I wouldn't expect them to pay out of their skin against us. It will be like Genoa all over, or how we drew with Reggina (to save them fro relegation in 2008, was it) in the last match of the season, after securing 4th.

Heck, like I said, the way Lazio purposely lost to Inter, so as not to give Roma an opening advantage, says it all.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 24 2012, 10:51 PM

Not happening. This isn't charity work.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 24 2012, 11:00 PM

Let's see. We'll get back to this conversation after we've lost this match. It is a possibility, a very minor one, but only if Milan players take a completely laid back approach. Otherwise I full expect 1 or 3 points. Charity, gift or a small favor. The only real surprise will be a Cagliari win, which for me has a 1% chance of happening.

Not sure I'll be watching this match, though. It will be low-intensity either way, because not really sure most of our players give a hoot at this point in time (and the ones that to do are missing and injured). Let's see. It's practically tomorrow where I am it, only a day remains.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2012, 11:18 PM

Lol, are you guys seriously discussing the possibility of Cagliari letting us win the game?? I think that speaks for itself in regards to what we've turned into

If we lose this next game then I really can't see what more excuses they can come up with to keep our dud coach. So I will hope for a loss in the best interest of this team. Losing a game now will mean getting rid of the idiot early. Letting him fester here for more time will only do more harm to this team.

So yes kurt, the fact that I want Milan to lose should say enough as to how I see Allegri. He's the main problem here. And no matter how much you try to spin it that this is in part because of the transfer window, you cannot convince me that the teams we've played against are better than the one Galliani gave to Allegri this season. He has enough talent and quality to at least scrape a couple of wins against the relegation fodder of this league and a Udine team who were in a worse off state than us just a few days ago.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 25 2012, 06:55 AM

If the players are so good, why aren't they performing better?

either 1) they really are not good enough, or as you've mentioned before 2) they're putting in bad performances to get rid of Allegri quicker. 1) means we need new players, 2) is unnaceptable, you never quit on your team.

As I've said before Allegri makes some stupid decisions, but at the end of the day, he's not the one missing sitters, making errors that result in goals or getting sent off.

Yes, we are better than this, but it's more on the combination of poor transfer window/poor players than the coch.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2012, 08:49 AM

I just can't understand your reasoning as it's implying that the coach has basically no influence on the team. If what you're saying is the case than why do we even have a coach?

What sitters? Against Atalanta and Samp we barely managed to get into the opposition's penalty area, that's how bad we were. We had a couple of good chances in the first few minutes against Udine but then reverted to the way we've been playing in the other games.

As I've explained a hundred times before. Allegri got the short end of the stick when Galliani pulled his magic off in the summer and decimated our squad. But having said that, it's still a a better squad to 90% of the teams in the league with Juve, Napoli and maybe Inter having a better squad than us. We all laughed when Galliani even mentioned the Scudetto because everyone knows that it's not even a realistic target for a coach like Mou to win it with this squad let alone Allegri. But everyone agreed with Allegri when he said a top 3 finish is the target as it's more than doable with the squad he has.

You have to ask yourself, WHY is the entire team playing like cr@p, this is not just 1 or 2 players underperforming or struggling with form. The tactics are non-existant in the games, it's fairly obvious as all I see when I'm waching Milan these days is a bunch of guys trying to kick the ball around at each other. The system is completely wrong for the set of players he has, yet he continues to insist on it. The bad performances have to be blamed on Allegri because he's the one in charge of all these things, not to mention motivating his players, making sure that he has a healthy relationship with them, and not to be the one that acts like the child in the equation (fighting with Pippo).

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 25 2012, 01:13 PM

Great post. ^

For me its not a question of whether someone else is available that could do better than Allegri. It has reached a level where taking a risk is a reasonable idea. It's not like we are winning games or at least playing promising enough. No. None. Zilch.

And within top teams, I've never seen a whole team under-perform and the team lose game after game only for everyone to come to a weird conclusion that the squad sucks, there isn't much the manager can do now oh well..

Milan might not be a top team in Europe anymore, but we potentially could be one of them with few great signings in the next couple of windows. What that means is that we already have a squad with good amount of potential. Italy as a whole is suffering, and the only reason Juve are performing so well right now is because they've gained a certain confidence as a united, coherent team and Conte is doing a good job at maintaining it. That means we could potentially be looking at the same situation for ourselves a couple years down the road where we have a great, coherent and competitive squad worthy of challenging many honors. The building blocks are here. We have a good enough squad to start this journey. Except maybe for the left back, but I think a great coach could get the best out of Emanuelson there.

But however I look at it so far, Allegri seems like he can't build a safe house for the players out there with the Lego pieces he has been given. And it looks like the would-be residents of this imaginary safe-house (the players) are kicking and screaming out there looking for direction and over-compensating with extra, useless physical effort.

It's not looking good. But it could be better.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 25 2012, 02:51 PM

Ummm.








Same could be said of most teams.

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 25 2012, 02:58 PM

Maybe you can say the same thing about Pescara, Chievo, Cagliari, Bologna, Parma, Torino, Atalanta, Catania, Sampdoria, Palermo, Siena etc..

But i won't.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 25 2012, 04:25 PM

No it hasn't yet. not for B&G.

Otherwise Allegri would be already gone.
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You guys need to be a little more patient. if it won't work, Allegri will be gone. if you're so confident he won't get us on track why are you so desperate to see him gone right now? we're not going to win the title because Juve are running away with it. but there's still every possibility of us finishing top 3. I'll tell you what's reasonable, to give him another few games to make things work. I'm positive we're going to win this game, then who knows, the run of positive results could begin.

But who am I talking to. most of you guys thought we won the Scudetto "despite" Allegri. for some reasons you just hated him from day 1.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 25 2012, 05:23 PM

We had the best team in Serie A and played like crap for two consecutive years. How do you explain that? Why are we playing like a Serie B team now that Ibra and Thiago are gone? You people seem to forget that we used to play with Ambrosini, Flamini and Gattuso in midfield, and somehow magically won most games. Or that we kept playing Muntari as playmaker, or Emanuelson as trequartista, and all sorts of atrocities. Yet we managed to win one scudetto and lose the next one in the last few weeks. Was Allegri the reason? How come he isn't working his magic now? No, the reason were two players by the names of Thiago Silva and Ibrahimovic, respectively the best CB in the world and one of the best, if not the best FW in the world, which managed to turn this team into a winning machine and make Allegri look good. Now that they're gone, we're finally seeing the results of Allegri's pure brilliance: tactical unawareness, poor man-management, zero innovative ideas. His team plays like crap and loses 3 out of 4 games. I don't hate Allegri because he's ugly, I hate him because his flaws and "n00bism" were evident to me from day 1.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2012, 05:56 PM

When you finish your post with this:

"Yes, we are better than this, but it's more on the combination of poor transfer window/poor players than the coch."


It negates whatever you said before it as you don't think that his stupid decisions should take a big part in this blame game

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 25 2012, 06:31 PM

Great post. And pretty much agreed with all.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 25 2012, 07:23 PM

How you believe a new (and most probably random) coach will work magic and save us is beyond me. I think we might sink even deeper so might as well stay as we are for now.

Yes Silva and Ibra often (NOT ALWAYS) won us games but every coach has to has that luxury, if they don't their team will play like crap. that fact is right now Milan is devoid of any high quality players (except Pato but he's never fit, and Robinho who tends to have more bad games than good games) and there's not much any coach can do about that. we can and should improve but in the end we're doomed to have a mediocre season where finishing top 3 would be quite an achievement. the sooner you realize that the easier it'll be for you.

And I don't think we played crap football the season we won the Scudetto. IMO we were better than the previous 3 seasons with Leo and Carlo.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 25 2012, 07:25 PM

+2

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 25 2012, 07:43 PM

You think we had a better squad than Inter in Allegri's first year and a better squad than Juve in Allegri's secnd year?

I've heard it all now.

Funny that you think he was crap from day 1 - considering when we were after him you said it'd be a great appointment.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2012, 09:33 PM

Watching Fiorentina playing against Juve makes me want to cry. They have such a great style of football right now thanks to Montella. They show character through their football and are very unlucky not to be leading by 1 or 2 goals right now.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2012, 09:37 PM

Lol, it's still funny that you think Juve had the better squad last season. Just ridiculous.

We had a decimated sqaud last season and thanks to our star players we still ran Juve until the last few matchdays while they had a combined total of something like 5 injuries all season

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 25 2012, 09:48 PM

Anyway, I hoped for Fiorentina to pull the win. Got disappointed. Someone's gonna stop them I hope.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 25 2012, 10:35 PM

lol

Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2012, 10:58 PM

Comparing an entire squad sheet has nothing to do with unforseen injuries which occur during the course of the season. Let's not be petty and try to act like we don't understand basics here

It's a fact that man for man we had by far the better squad, with the bigger players, game changers, best defender in football better. That's how much we were better than Juve last season.

The fact I mentioned about barely being able to field 11 players on the pitch at one point attests to how strong a squad we had that we could keep up with a Juve team that had all the luck going for it

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 25 2012, 11:12 PM

You do realise that saying we have a better team in a past tense takes into consideration those unforseen (not sure how they're unforseen as we're talking about the past...) injuries.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 25 2012, 11:21 PM

Hindsight and all that

When we talk about a squad list for a team I'm comparing a list of players that each coach has available to them at the start of the season once the window closes, that is what a squad is after all, and ours was the better team, by far. No matter how you wish to spin it, Juve simply did not have anything close to us last season. Not just strength but quality in depth as well. What coach in Serie A had the luxuries that Allegri did last season?

An injury is an unforseen occurance, at the start of last season could you have predicted that we'd have double figures in terms of players being out at one point or another during the season?

My point was, that the strength of our squad allowed for us to push Juve to the final few days of the season even when we couldn't field our best 11 for the majority of the season while Juve had the opposite as they always fielded their best 11 throughout the season, not to mention the CL games we had to play on top of all that.

Allegri had many riches last season, losing out on the Scudetto was in-part down to these injuries.

But once again, man for man, we were the better team

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 25 2012, 11:31 PM

Yes. Judging a season generally involves hindsight. How else are you meant to judge. What a weird thing to say.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 12:09 AM

You guys speak as if we have this horrendous, Serie B team right now. No! We might not have any champions left, but we have plenty of quality players at disposal. Have you seen Fiorentina play this season? They don't have any world beaters either, just some average and a few quality players, yet they play a fluid and well-organized football. But most of all, as han mentioned, they show character. They have grit and determination, and that's enough to make the difference in this game. Can we say the same about our team? Nope. We don't even have a plan to begin with! Watching us play is worse than peeling onions. Hell, men for men, even Napoli don't have a better team than us! Lazio neither. And neither of the teams we've faced and lost to. Something's very wrong with our squad, and a change in tactics and mentality becomes vital at this point if we want to salvage anything from this season. However, watching how Allegri presents his squad every Sunday, with the same old bullshit over and over again, clearly indicates that he's not the man for the job.



Great appointment? Not really. I had my doubts about the guy, but considering what he had done with Cagliari the past two seasons gave me some confidence. However, it didn't take long before I realized what a mediocre coach he really is. My 'anti-Allegri' avatar dates back from his first season with us, y'know.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 26 2012, 02:11 AM

+1

Posted by: Forza Milan! Sep 26 2012, 04:25 AM

On paper the team is at a level where it should be able to achieve that. The quality has dropped form last year for sure, but we are not worse than Samp, Atalanta, Udinese, or even Fiorentina. Yet the results so far tell a different story. Why?


+1

Time for a change, and that is not going to happen while we keep Allegri.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 26 2012, 08:00 AM

Indeed.

This should be Allegri's last chance. No coach survive at start of 1 win out of 6 matches.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 09:49 AM

Well the initial argument was about the squad made available to Allegri at the start of the season, thus the injuries we encountered couldn't have been anticipated at that time, yet with the squad he had we still managed to fight until the final 3 matchdays.

Posted by: Danny Sep 26 2012, 02:12 PM

Last 2 diddy sides we've faced we lost 1-0 to at Meazza. This is another diddy side at home.

Unless we go with our best team in their best positions, I see nothing bar another woeful loss tonight.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 02:15 PM

If the next game is not a win. Than no one will be able or should try to excuse Allegri for it. If he doesn't win it, then he simply has to be let go, no more excuses

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 26 2012, 02:40 PM

He is banned for the next game. Tassotti in charge.

Posted by: Danny Sep 26 2012, 02:54 PM

Touchline. He still sets up the team and tactics. Just can't stand idly by on the touchline before getting agitated by his errors and the team's failure to play basic football.

Posted by: Danny Sep 26 2012, 02:55 PM

I have to admit, as we say here in Glasgow; his jacket is on a shoogly peg.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 02:57 PM

Thank god we won't hear his "DAI, DAI, DAI" yelling for one game.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 26 2012, 03:08 PM

But that's the point. Despite all these injuries, he still managed to finished 2nd and fight to the end against a team who hadn't even lost a game. He did an incredible job his first 2 years as coach. Now? It's not good, but then neither is the team.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 26 2012, 03:11 PM

What? When did that happen?



Haha
Sounds like the PES coach when you play it with an Italian team, right?

Posted by: Danny Sep 26 2012, 03:12 PM

That translates as 'by'. I don't get it.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 03:15 PM

Haha, true.



It means "come on".

Posted by: Ry4n Sep 26 2012, 03:43 PM

Hoping for a victory tonight , don't care how we do it with style or without just win !

prediction

2-0

Posted by: acid911 Sep 26 2012, 05:06 PM

Eh, style you say? We'll do it Gangnam Style, I am sure. This is Cagliari, man!

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 05:12 PM

Posted by: Ry4n Sep 26 2012, 05:19 PM

hopefully!

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 05:50 PM

This is how we'll probably play tonight: Abbiati; Abate, Bonera, Mexes, De Sciglio; Traoré, De Jong, Montolivo; Emanuelson, Pazzini, El Shaarawy.

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=92073

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 05:53 PM

But that's the point, despite all the injuries we had, we still managed to do what we did last season thanks to the great squad he had at his disposal. Your initial point was that Juve had the better squad to us last season. Imagine them without Chiellini, Barzagli, Pirlo, Vidal, Vucinic and Marchisio, which is pretty much what we had to contest with for most of last season when Nesta, Mexes, VB, Aquilani, Prince, Pato and Cassano were injured all at once through certain points of the season. Pretty sure they wouldn't have managed to stay unbeaten or win the Scudetto since there replacement players are mid-table quality at best and still are imo (they've improved their first 11 a lot but their subs aren't all that)

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 26 2012, 06:03 PM

My point is that without those players you mentioned, we didn't have a great squad - and that's what Allegri had at his disposal. Anyway we're not going to agree on this so I think it's best to move on.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 26 2012, 06:10 PM

Still no Robinho? did he make the squad?

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 06:12 PM

Well at least he got the fullbacks right.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 26 2012, 06:13 PM

Stadio Guiseppe Meazza. As in San Siro, man, San Siro!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 26 2012, 06:14 PM

Yeah, but only they really refer to it as the Meazza.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 26 2012, 06:19 PM

That's my point. I don't understand how a Milan fan can call it Meazza instead of San Siro (which is the stadium's original name anyway IINM).

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 26 2012, 06:27 PM

Not his fault, commentators also introduce it as Meazza. As if neglecting who Meazza actually was.

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How is the team playing?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 06:32 PM

He still had very good backups to rely on, if not VB Ambro stepped in, if not Nesta or Mexes next to Silva he had Yepes a very experianced Serie A defender, if not Aquilani Seedorf, If not Pato or Cassano Robinho if not Prince... Urby (genius stuff that is right there ). Thus that quality in depth helping us to still do so well. Don't try to convince me that it was the genius of Allegri that got us through that, more like Ibra and Thiago with strong experienced players around them


San Siro is the name of the district not the stadium

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 06:42 PM

The game starts in an hour.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 26 2012, 06:51 PM

What's the original name of the stadium then? definitely not Giuseppe Meazza!



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Right. every time I see a Milan/Inter game with an English/American commentator, they refer to it as the Meazza.

Posted by: Danny Sep 26 2012, 06:57 PM

Who'd have thunk calling the stadium by its proper name would have led to questions over my allegiances!

Posted by: Danny Sep 26 2012, 06:58 PM

PS X Off's team was exactly right.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 07:02 PM

Just why play Traoré in such a critical moment? I simply don't get it.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 07:06 PM

Well I guess that was the original name, but I knew for sure that San Siro was the district.




I'm telling you, the guy WANTS to get fired, surely he isn't this stupid.

Did he leave out Monto to play this dud? I didn't see the predicted line-up you posted earlier

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 26 2012, 07:14 PM

It's proper name? just because British commentators call it the Meazza? you're the first Milan fan I've seen who insists it should be called by its Interista name. stop being so politically correct and refer to it like a real Milanista does FFS!

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 07:14 PM

No, he left out Nocerino.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 07:28 PM

Still a BS decision, just like once again playing Urby in the 3 man attack is stupid. Nocerino is starting to pick up some form again from that disaster half against Bologna while Traore can barely be called a player, I'd rather see the Ambro De Jong duo again than watch this hot mess starting a game for us.

And ounce again leaving one of our most technically gifted players on the bench is just ridiculous. Bojan should be starting on the other wing if Robinho is not ready

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 07:41 PM

Empty stadium.

Posted by: Dracoris Sep 26 2012, 07:46 PM

Traore? We're playing the ball boy now?

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 07:52 PM

Lovely skill there by sharaawy.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 07:55 PM

i just don't get Pazzini's role in this team. We needed a skillful forward after losing both Ibra and Cassano, yet we brought in a player that stands around and waites for the ball. He's just useless without someone constantly giving him good service

Also, has that Traore guy even touched the ball yet?

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 07:56 PM

Ugh Urby...

Posted by: m1ke Sep 26 2012, 08:00 PM

Good finish.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 08:00 PM

EL SHAARAWYYYY

Nice assist Monto!!

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 08:00 PM

Finally.

Posted by: m1ke Sep 26 2012, 08:00 PM

Absolutely terrible defending, but good finish.

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 08:01 PM

Sharaawy our real hero !!!!

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 08:02 PM

WHAT IS TRAORE DOING IN A MILAN SHIRT

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 08:02 PM

lol, that Traore is so mediocre. Everything he touches turns to sh!t. Whether it's a header, a simple pass or a shot. Just ridiculous that he would get in ahead of Nocerino

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 08:05 PM

Traoré is the worst football player I've seen in my whole life, and it is not an overstatement.

Posted by: m1ke Sep 26 2012, 08:08 PM

He's had a poor start. Give him a chance.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 08:16 PM

I think he lacks basic footballing skills, it was the same thing throughout preseason

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 08:17 PM

Allegri should get on the PA system and yell out "DAI DAI DAI" for the rest of the match

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 26 2012, 08:19 PM

Anyone got a link to the game?

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 08:20 PM

We've started to play crap again. Cagliari dominating.

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 08:20 PM

http://www.calcion.eu/live35.htm

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 08:21 PM

Can't get over how bad Traore is. Simple forward pass to Urby, messes it up completely

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 26 2012, 08:21 PM

I don't get it, it was supposed to be a good signing when we got him. he even boasted about himself saying he believed in his abilities blah blah. how did he turn out to be so bad?

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 08:26 PM

Great shot!...

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 08:26 PM

Emanuelson...

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 08:27 PM

Good signing? No one knew a single thing about him before we got him. Everyone was basically like ok, typical free agent signing.

Urby! Why don't you just f******* pass the ball?? SES totally free on the left and he decides to try and hit a flying eagle in the sky.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 08:27 PM

Should have been 2.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 08:28 PM

Such behavior is unacceptable. I'd bench him during half-time.

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 26 2012, 08:29 PM

What is Allegri doing anywhere near Milan?

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 08:30 PM

1-0 HT

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 08:31 PM

If he doesn't get Traore off that field during this break, than I'll question Allegri's sanity as well as his mental competency.

Urby is also a huge liability up there, he's not a wing forward. He has no business playing that position.

Bojan and Nocerino should get in there at the restart

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 08:35 PM

..Subs at the start of the half is not an Allegri trademark.

Posted by: Ry4n Sep 26 2012, 08:38 PM

Mexes and Nigel are playing **** tbh too everyone is giving away simple passes keep it simple stupid !

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 26 2012, 08:39 PM

@ Willie

Thanks for the link. but it tells me I'm missing a plugin and I can't figure out what it is for the life of me. I have flash player? do you know what else it needs?

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 26 2012, 08:42 PM

Try this Z:

http://www.livefootballol.tv/

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 08:43 PM

I don't know..:3 Cause it works for me.I'm on google chrome btw.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 08:48 PM

I wouldn't be surprised at all if we manage to end up losing this. Letting Cagliari back into the game, 2 golden chances for them so far in this game

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 08:54 PM

We're a mess...

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 08:55 PM

Finally off.

Constant on

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 08:59 PM

Good thing Cagliari are total cr@p or we'd have gone down fast today

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 09:01 PM

We are being outplayed by F@UCKING Cagliari!!

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 26 2012, 09:02 PM

I just don't understand. Why start with him then?

Allegri what are you doing?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 09:02 PM

Is that a shock to you?

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 09:06 PM

Robinho getting ready!

Thank god urby out!

Posted by: rip Sep 26 2012, 09:08 PM

if we win this game allegri will be here for atleast 10 more

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 09:08 PM

Red car for Conti.We can't draw/lose this now.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 09:10 PM

Too bad, because the performance itself is as embarassing as a loss would be.

Winning here is a misleading result that will save Allegri's sorry @ss

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 09:12 PM

Against 10 men and still without the upper hand... Says it all

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 09:14 PM

De Sciglio has been pretty bad tonight.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 09:17 PM

Mostly a neutral performance imo. Not bad or good, just needs to adjust more to the left side. At least he's not making the ridiculous mistakes Mesbah and Antonini were making

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 09:18 PM

Oooo, risky on Allegri's part. Ambro for Monto. SO EXCITING!!!

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 09:18 PM

What a poor second half.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 09:19 PM

Don't get why he wanted Bojan if he's not planning on even giving him a chance

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 09:24 PM

Sharaawy with a second!

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 09:25 PM

El Shaarawy the only bright spot in this all consuming darkness

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 09:30 PM

What was Ambro trying to do there??

Posted by: Ry4n Sep 26 2012, 09:40 PM

Yay my 2-0 prediction came through !

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 26 2012, 09:42 PM

Need highlights people, cant believe this!! Forza Milan !

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 26 2012, 09:45 PM

I CAN'T believe it either!!! 2-0 against a 10-man Cagliari, AND at home? This is the stuff of legends!

Posted by: Ry4n Sep 26 2012, 09:51 PM

Best team of 2012?

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 26 2012, 09:53 PM

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 26 2012, 10:02 PM

Erm, well I clearly didnt watch it. But considering our stuttering start, Id take these 3 points and Im glad SES scored a brace and his 3 goal of a season in 5 games. In other words, this could serve as a confidence lifter for the dressing room.

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 26 2012, 10:07 PM

Player ratings:

Abbiati: 6. Didn't have much to do as most Cagliari shots were off target.
Abate: 5.5 Played an OK game.
Mexes: 5.5 Played an OK game.
Bonera: 6. Was decent.
De Sciglio: 6. Was full of running and full of learning. He shows potential.
De Jong: 6. Was decent enough. A better choice than Ambro for a starter because of his stamina. Can hold the midfield well.
Montolivo: 5.5 Played good football when he had the ball and space. Otherwise looked very shaky and gave the ball away too many times.
Traore: 4 Made everything more difficult for himself and his teammates. A puzzler why he started.
Emanuelson: 4.5 Was bad. Lost many many balls out there in addition to being a tactical liability. But I guess that's not his fault altogether.
El Shaarway: 8. Was courageous and showed lethality in front of the goal. Several nice movements up front came through him. Made us look dangerous.
Pazzini: 5 Was quite and slow out there. Didn't do much all game.
Constant: 5.5 Played OK enough. Maybe a little nervous and hasty in his decision making.
Robinho: 5. Gave the ball away more than he played it. Didn't do much.

Allegri: 4. The team had a poor game. Cagliri if not for chances that whizzed by the woodwork and their red card at some point looked like they were gonna get something out of this game. Milan played without heart and without style. Again Allegri made a dubious decision in his first eleven pick and had to correct it half way into the game. Poor game overall.

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 26 2012, 10:16 PM

Stephan El Shaarawy’s brace finally ended the San Siro curse, although Milan had to struggle for their 2-0 win over 10-man Cagliari.

FI

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 10:26 PM

hahah exactly...

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 10:38 PM

El Shaarawy really starting to turn it up a notch. Really impressive in his last 2 games and the ew minutes he played against Anderlecth.

As for the rest of the team, it was just emberassing in all honesty. There is no personality, not even an inkling of a tactical plan. Why Allegri started Traore over Nocerino is still baffling, the guy would get confused even in a Sunday league team, I mean he can't even make a successful forward pass. Urby on the right wing is just as stupid. The guy is not a technical forward who can cut in and make something happen. Allegri has Bojan on the bench, someone he apparently wanted and hasn't given him a chance while continueing to insist on Urby.

Another point of contention for me at this point is Pazzini. The man is useless. He's just wasting a spot from the 11 we have available to us to start. Just because he scored a hattrick against Bologna doesn't mean that he gets to be an automatic starter. He's not doing anything in any of the games aside from standing around, and the half chances he's gotten he managed to waste.

I'd prefer it if we played the 4-3-3 with 3 versatile strikers rather than 2 out wide trying to punt in crosses and a flag pole in the middle

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 10:59 PM

Agreed on all points.Regarding Pazzini though..don't we need a target man for the 4-3-3 to work.I mean if we're going to play utilizing our wings..then better have someone at least on the receiving end. Pato could have been that for us..but he is injured.Maybe playing with Robinho-Pazzini-Bojan would bring out the best of Pazzini. But, another point would be that even if he didn't get much support..he still got a reasonable amount of chances where he failed to finish.

Also, in my opinion Di Sciglio was decent on the left...not as great as on the right.But, at least he's 19(?)..doesn't make huge howlers such as his experienced fellas.I support him fully developing on that side..and hopefully Allegri was convinced with his performance.

Traore..I mean I don't know.The guy was brought in as a substitute for the substitute and he manages to start the match.It's not like Nocerino is injured or Flamini(hey at least he shoot) was out.+It's not like it's late season and we need someone with energy to help us..I don't understand Allegri sometimes.

Montolivo was good, but I feel we'll get the best of him..when this team finally starts to improve, and hopefully the whole midfield starts to function as a unit.I'm yet to see how Allegri will make that unit work anyway.

Posted by: Danny Sep 26 2012, 11:03 PM

Actually no British commentator calls it the Meazza, it's purely called the San Siro here because very few British commentators (or Americans) know of its origins.

In short terms I'll call it what the f*ck I like! I don't see it as a Nera term at all. I see it as a stadium title based on a player who played for both sides, regardless of how long for. San Siro, Meazza, whatever - don't tell me what I can and cannot call it! I didn't say I insist on any title, I just chose that name on this occasion.

Wow, I hoped to come on in good spirits and praise the side for a crucial 3 points and instead you question my allegiance.

Way to dampen the evening Zed.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 26 2012, 11:06 PM

Not neccasarily. If you have a forward line of SES, Bojan and Robinho they could basically interchange positions throughout the entire match, and it would help Monto more as he's a player that needs movement ahead of him to be at his best.

Atm, Pazzini is a non-factor because he's not getting any service, and most importantly the players beside him are guys playing on their weaker sides so they can cut in, they're not there to kick balls at him in hopes he'd finish one of them off. Pato would be the ideal man, as he's not a simple target man that stands around, plus he has the skill on the ball to get out of tight situations which is not the case with Pazzini. This is why I think 3 tricky, pacy players would work best upfront, and imo Pato falls under that category (I don't consider him a target man, far from it)

Posted by: Danny Sep 26 2012, 11:06 PM

Actually, screw that, I AM in good spirits, the night was a great one - both my sides won 2-0 and I'm over the moon about that.

SES showing real, real promise and maybe, MAYBE just starting to justify the reputation he had prior to joining us.

I see him as a potential new Pato - a young striker with skill in abundance and lots of talent - let's hope this one can stay injury free and prove himself to be a worthy front man with the whole package rather than all the other strikers we have who each have limits.

That said, until tonight SES barely seemed to have any goals in him so hopefully this is a turning point of the season. We've beaten a diddy side at SAN SIRO for the first time this season and we looked pretty decent if not perfect.

I had to admit I liked the team we chose - I was bewildered as to yet more change and wasn't thrilled with Bonera starting rather than Yepes but it worked.

But I cannot fathom Bojan's continued absence from the first 11.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 26 2012, 11:20 PM

Wow, LOL!

You took my post too seriously! it was never meant to incite a response like this. more like a "please don't call it an Interista name". of course you can call it whatever the **** you want I mean, I don't even love San Siro that much...

Posted by: William405 Sep 26 2012, 11:25 PM

Yeah could work.I'm worried about not having a reference point up front..but Pazzini isn't doing much anyway..he might turn out worse than Borriello..;(

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2012, 11:33 PM

We need Pato back more than anything else, but the lad's situation keeps getting worse and worse.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 27 2012, 12:37 AM

Great prediction Ry4n


It's a desperation move I guess. Or it doesn't matter to him; he knew his Cagliari friends would gift him this one (just joking )


It amazes me how you miss all the positive sides, yet never fail to mention any mistake by Ambrosini. He made a perfect assist before that mistake, and also could have easily had 2 assists if only SES's finish would have sufficed. Ambro gave a fresh breeze, Monto was lost for the last 10 minutes or so.



Dream on, dream on

Posted by: William405 Sep 27 2012, 01:20 AM

My conclusion is that han is overcritical of Ambro because he holds him to such high esteem that he doesn't expect those mistakes from him.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 27 2012, 02:08 AM

Han was a Gattuso man, and how he pitchforked him these past few years. High esteem for Ambro indeed.

Posted by: Ry4n Sep 27 2012, 07:18 AM

Pazzini had no service tonight so you saw nothing from him.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 27 2012, 08:10 AM

Boriello at least worked his @ss off for the team, Pazzini stands around there waiting for the fruit to fall into his mouth. It's just not working with him up there, it feels like we're playing with 10 men as he's not involved in any of the play, he's not scoring but mostly missing the half chances that we do manage to make for him.

A reference point is not necassary, especially when said reference point can't even hold the ball up to bring others into play.


I have a feeling that Pato has been ruined indefinately at this point. They can't even get him back 100% from an injury before he suffers another.


He lost the ball a couple of times which I didn't mention, but losing it in our penalty area requires a post from me, it's too much for me to not mention!

As for fresh breeze (I think you mean breath of fresh air ) we had a man advantage on CAGLIARI and we were still mostly on the back foot for the entire second half. If we had managed to get on the ball and keep possession when Ambro was on than I would agree but I don't know what you saw yesterday as we were still playing like cr@p when Ambro came on


That's the thing, Pazzini needs to be provided tap-in chances and we're not going to be seeing that kind of service given to him anytimes soon when we can barely even manage to create half decent chances at best.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 27 2012, 08:59 AM

Well, maybe we were still playing like cr@p - I'm sure Ambrosini is unable to shift the whole mentality of the team, not to say the gameplan. Point is, he provided a assist neither de Jong or Constant would have managed even if the match had been played 90 more minutes, while Montolivo was clearly tired. So...in a cr@ppy situation with cr@ppy players and mentality, Ambrosini came in, almost made 2 assists in 15 minutes and a big (but fortunate) mistake. He achieved more then Emanuelson at least.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 27 2012, 10:16 AM

I don't remember a second potential assist for El Shaa. Are you talking about the chance where he hit it at the edge of the area and Astori blocked it from going in?

The point is you said a fresh breeze, that means that when he came on he helped to change the game's rythm for us, when he clearly did nothing of the sort. Making a couple of decent passes does not mean that he was a breath of fresh air for us. We were on the back foot what we needed was someone to help us keep possession and Ambro was losing the ball out there as much as the rest of the others were. Which is something I'm noticing keeps happening quite a lot. ALL the players keep giving the ball away with terrible passing. Thus why we're constantly being put under pressure in all the games we've played. And this isn't about Ambro, just a casual observation that includes all the players.

As for Urby, don't get me started. But again, my main point stands, it's not his fault that Allegri basically plays him in EVERY position on the pitch, every position aside from the one he's comfortable playing in, which is the left wing, either in midfield or defence. It's ridiculous that Urby is being played as part of a 3 man attacking line, especially on the right side. As if he's Messi FFS!!!

Posted by: acid911 Sep 27 2012, 10:36 AM

Cagliari. Milan. Allegri. We win. Nothing new. Like I said. 3 wholesale points. Regular service resumes from the next match against Parma. And then the derby soon after that. Inter could be the turning point of the season, either for Milan, or for Allegri. Everyone should wait till then.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 27 2012, 11:09 AM

No, not that one. The one when he made a perfect pass (almost immediately after coming on) but SES missed miles away.

But semantics. Ambrosini certainly didn't change something drastically, yet Montolivo simply disappeared totally; in that aspect he did wake and shake us up a bit.

Posted by: Ry4n Sep 27 2012, 11:57 AM

I know

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 27 2012, 12:28 PM

Forming a new core to the team is clearly evident. The fact that many first team regulars that were considered the backbone of this team had left their duties to new players such as Nocerino, KPB, Montolivo, etc ... As such, this new core will need time to and a lot of matches in order to cement their understanding and movement. Let alone supply the front line (Pazzini) with the final pass.

Posted by: Danny Sep 27 2012, 12:42 PM

Then no hard feelings

Your post was written in a slightly incendiary manner, but now you state that wasn't intentional so we move on

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 27 2012, 12:47 PM

I think my post lacked a few silly smileys

Posted by: han2503 Sep 27 2012, 01:32 PM

I really don't see it as something that can be fixed with time. We need more players with vision in order to create the chances that a player like Pazzini can feed off of. We do not have that as Monto is our only creative mind in the entire team. Thus making use of versatile forwards who provide movement and pace upfront should work better than having a flag pole up there basically doing nothing.

And Pazzini isn't even a strong player like Boriello for example who can bring the ball down for others.

Posted by: Danny Sep 27 2012, 02:03 PM

The core of this side isn't that inspiring. It's basically, at its best, Abbiati, Zapata, Mexes, De Jong, Monto, Boateng, and a fit and firing Pato. Or SES.

It's ok. It's not great nor horrible.

Posted by: Danny Sep 27 2012, 02:03 PM

The core of this side isn't that inspiring. It's basically, at its best, Abbiati, Zapata, Mexes, De Jong, Monto, Boateng, and a fit and firing Pato. Or SES.

It's ok. It's not great nor horrible.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 27 2012, 02:20 PM

If one goes by what we've seen, it would seem that it's Bonera and not Zapata who is in the 'core'.

Posted by: Danny Sep 27 2012, 02:23 PM

Zapata was impressive against Udi. Bonera is just an average squad player, little more.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 27 2012, 03:10 PM

Core? I don't know, I don't care for most of our players right now.

Milan had always a Italian core in the defense, non-existent up today. I'm not sure there is much to work with.

Posted by: Danny Sep 27 2012, 03:32 PM

Our best Italians are Abbiati, Abate, Monto, Noce, and...Pazzini? Maybe SES.

Am I missing anyone glaringly obvious?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 27 2012, 04:16 PM

Ambrosini. But so what? Is this enough?

Posted by: Danny Sep 27 2012, 09:56 PM

No, that's my point. It's just not very inspiring.

And I deliberately excluded Ambro as he's reaching the end of his productive football life.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 27 2012, 10:38 PM

Yeah, agreed.

Posted by: m1ke Sep 28 2012, 11:07 AM

I guess this makes Han the official match thread opener for the time being. Keep it up!

Posted by: m1ke Sep 28 2012, 11:09 AM

Wait! I just realised you opened the Udinese and Zenit threads too. This was a freak!

Edit: And you opened the Madrid pre-season thread!!

Posted by: han2503 Sep 28 2012, 12:13 PM

Well I opened nearly all the threads for our Scudetto winning season, but not even my magic could combat the current mess we're in.

We'll see how you do since you opened the Parma thread