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Posted by: han2503 Sep 7 2017, 03:19 PM

Most predicted line-ups still have Montella using the 4-3-3 with Borini starting on the wing. Honestly, I'm getting concerned about this if he keeps on persisting with it when we obviously don't have the players for it

Posted by: Fishdoll Sep 7 2017, 03:31 PM

Conti's out as a precaution (should be back for the EL game), so either Abate or Calabria will start.

Gianluca Rocchi will call the game. He is not one of my favorite refs.


As for the formation, I agree that 4-3-3 isn't ideal given the players we have *when we're at full strength*, but until Romagnoli is fully back, I suspect the team won't move to 3 at the back.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 7 2017, 04:25 PM

Mediaset has a different line-up: Donnarumma; Abate, Musacchio, Bonucci, Rodriguez; Kessie, Biglia, Montolivo; Suso, Cutrone, Bonaventura.

Posted by: amancik Sep 8 2017, 01:56 PM

Good to have Bonaventura back for this crucial test.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 8 2017, 01:59 PM

Now they have Borini instead of Jack. dry.gif

How about we play both Hakan and Jack and bench the hell out of Monto and Borini? Eh, Montella? realmad.gif

Posted by: amancik Sep 8 2017, 02:02 PM

I'd like to see this: Donnarumma, Abate, Musacchio, Bonucci, Rodriguez, Kessie, Biglia, Bonaventura, Suso, Cutrone, Calhanoglu.

Posted by: Fishdoll Sep 8 2017, 02:44 PM

Perhaps Jack isn't starting because of the long stretch of games coming - including the Europa League game this Thursday. All things being equal, I'd prefer him to start as well.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 8 2017, 03:21 PM

QUOTE (amancik @ Sep 8 2017, 02:02 PM) *
I'd like to see this: Donnarumma, Abate, Musacchio, Bonucci, Rodriguez, Kessie, Biglia, Bonaventura, Suso, Cutrone, Calhanoglu.


Me too.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 9 2017, 07:26 AM

QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Sep 8 2017, 02:44 PM) *
Perhaps Jack isn't starting because of the long stretch of games coming - including the Europa League game this Thursday. All things being equal, I'd prefer him to start as well.

Still doesn't make sense to not play him in the more difficult fixture

This Borini thing is really starting to needle me. He started all of our games, just doesn't make sense. Monto I sort of understand as he adds more defensive stability than either Hakan or Jack, But Borini? That man is useless and literally kills our left side.

This 4-3-3 business is also getting beyond annoying now. We simply do not have the players for it so why persist?

Montella could easily go 4-3-1-2/4-3-2-1/4-2-3-1 with the players he has. Actually all of them would fit more naturally in any of those systems. 4-3-3 just looks completely unnatural with this group of players

I've been behind Montella completely up until this point. And atm complaining is counterproductive because we've won all our games. But he needs to change thing up and he needs to incorporate his best players into the line-up not play Borini to satisfy his 4-3-3 fetish while leaving players like Bona, Hakan, Silva and Kalinic on the bench

Also, I know Cutrone is on a streak but he should be played in the EL game and not against Lazio imo. He's a a very good goal scorer but his overall contribution to the game is limited and when you're playing a team like Lazio you need more then someone who'll just pop up with a goal

Posted by: amancik Sep 9 2017, 10:57 AM

I put Cutrone only because he's on a streak. I feel he should be given the opportunity to extend his good form. But I expect if things do not go well, Silva or Kalinic will replace him in the second half.

Posted by: Fishdoll Sep 9 2017, 01:38 PM

Call ups:

QUOTE
Sono 23 i convocati di Vincenzo Montella per la sfida del Milan contro la Lazio: Donnarumma, Donnarumma A., Storari; Abate, Antonelli, Bonucci, Calabria, Musacchio, Rodriguez, Romagnoli, Zapata; Biglia, Bonaventura, Calhanoglu, Kessie, Locatelli, Mauri, Montolivo; Borini, Cutrone, Kalinic, André Silva, Suso.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 9 2017, 08:01 PM

Apparently the game could get postponed if the weather gets too bad. Heavy rain is predicted for tomorrow

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 10 2017, 08:17 AM

I think it's gonna be played.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 10:28 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 10 2017, 08:17 AM) *
I think it's gonna be played.

As of now it's at strong risk of being postponed. Decision to be made in around 30 minutes.

We'll see...

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 11:18 AM

Match officially postponed guys

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 10 2017, 11:30 AM

Argh. Was so looking forward to it. When will it be played? Today or?

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2017, 12:44 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 10 2017, 11:30 AM) *
Argh. Was so looking forward to it. When will it be played? Today or?


Today at 16:00.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 02:20 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 10 2017, 12:44 PM) *
Today at 16:00.

Yeah, it's just by an hour, initially they said to a later date, maybe things have calmed down a bit

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 02:24 PM

Official line-up is the one as predicted before. Monto and Borini both starting.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2017, 02:36 PM

Today's storms will be nothing compared to the hell that Monto and Borini will unleash on that left side.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 02:41 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 10 2017, 02:36 PM) *
Today's storms will be nothing compared to the hell that Monto and Borini will unleash on that left side.

I really feel bad for Rodriguez. Conti has Kessie and Suso to combine with, while Rodrigues has Borini and out of position/shape players to combine with

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2017, 02:53 PM

And to think we have Hakan and Bona on the bench.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 03:07 PM

Started well, let's hope they can keep this up

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 10 2017, 03:11 PM

Any stream to watch the game?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 03:12 PM

Biglia is so good though.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 03:17 PM

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 10 2017, 03:11 PM) *
Any stream to watch the game?

Check here

http://cricfree.sc/football-live-stream

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 03:25 PM

Looks like they can only keep it up for about 20 minutes rolleyes.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2017, 03:38 PM

Penalty. Stupid foul by Kessie.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 03:39 PM

We're staler than 3 day old bread. Our attack is non-existent and Monto and Kessie aren't doing much to help matters either.

Kessie needs to step up, as good as he can be, ha can also be too casual

And he gives away a penalty now...

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2017, 03:39 PM

Can I just say that the only two goals that we've conceded so far have been Kessie f*ck-ups.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Sep 10 2017, 03:40 PM

Jack needs to come in for Monto. We need more offense now

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 03:41 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 10 2017, 03:39 PM) *
Can I just say that the only two goals that we've conceded so far have been Kessie f*ck-ups.

We'd been asking for both

The team is just not playing well. We started well but once again have completely faded out of the game.

Montella is really bombing so far imo. His choices are just not good.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 03:42 PM

QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Sep 10 2017, 03:40 PM) *
Jack needs to come in for Monto. We need more offense now

Borini and Cutrone are also both problematic. While Suso can't get into the game

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2017, 03:43 PM

I was about to write when we conceded the penalty.

What a stale, stale game. We have possession but that's it. Can't combine 2-3 passes in a row, we're absolutely clueless in Lazio's half, our attack is non-existent. With Borini and Cutrone it's like we're playing with 9 men. Montolivo is a dead horse. Suso has been absent entirely.

I could go on forever. Montella is starting to frustrate me at Allegri levels.

And 2-0...

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 03:44 PM

2-0


Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2017, 03:45 PM

We truly need a 4-0 defeat so Montella can open his eyes to this mess.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 03:46 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 10 2017, 03:43 PM) *
I was about to write when we conceded the penalty.

What a stale, stale game. We have possession but that's it. Can't combine 2-3 passes in a row, we're absolutely clueless in Lazio's half, our attack is non-existent. With Borini and Cutrone it's like we're playing with 9 men. Montolivo is a dead horse. Suso has been absent entirely.

I could go on forever. Montella is starting to frustrate me at Allegri levels.

And 2-0...

Agreed.

If he doesn't make changes at HT he'll have a lot to answer for.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 03:50 PM

The Borini thing for me is the most frustrating aspect. Everyone and their grandmother knows he has no business starting for us. The guy couldn't even cut it for Sunderland FFS! Why Montella keeps insisting on him is just something that I'll probably never be able to understand

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 10 2017, 03:51 PM

Atrocious game.

Only Biglia, Musacchio and Rodriguez look solid from time to time. The rest is having a nice, lenient, nonchalant afternoon like it's a friendly match. No energy, no game conception, nothing.

Very disappointing.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Sep 10 2017, 03:53 PM

Man o man do we look awful. The most impotent possession I've seen in a while. Montolivo is apparently incapable of anything other than standing over the ball for a century before passing backwards. Borini can't beat a man to save his life. Suso has been completely invisible. Just all around bad. Montella needs to make some changes and put his boot up some backsides.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 10 2017, 03:53 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 10 2017, 05:50 PM) *
The Borini thing for me is the most frustrating aspect. Everyone and their grandmother knows he has no business starting for us. The guy couldn't even cut it for Sunderland FFS! Why Montella keeps insisting on him is just something that I'll probably never be able to understand

Yet the problem goes way beyond Borini. If Bonucci, Kessie, Monto etc would do a better job, we'd be talking about Fabio. But today Milan simply decided not to show up. It's not Borini's fault, he's the least talented and individually weakest player on the pitch but that doesn't make him automatically responsible for this mess.

Montella is the main culprit here.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 04:02 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 10 2017, 03:53 PM) *
Yet the problem goes way beyond Borini. If Bonucci, Kessie, Monto etc would do a better job, we'd be talking about Fabio. But today Milan simply decided not to show up. It's not Borini's fault, he's the least talented and individually weakest player on the pitch but that doesn't make him automatically responsible for this mess.

Montella is the main culprit here.

True, but every time I see him bumbling over the ball it just gnaws away at me

Montella is obviously at fault here, his decision making has been bad


Kessie once again has had a mare of a first half, I don't understand how he can be so good one moment while so bad in another. The foul that gave away the penalty was so pointless and stupid.

Bonucci has been patchy as well. Calabria sometimes forgets that he has to defend. Suso is just completely cut out of the game and I can't tell if it's because of him or the midfield not being able to help him out more. Biglia started out so well but I feel like he's lost his way. Monto is just so slow, he takes so long to decide where to make the passit's just so uncomfortable to watch. Cutrone is non-existent. Just like I've been saying, aside from the goals, he doesn't tend to do much else. Kalinic or Silva need to come on ASAP. Borini is also a nightmare, just can't do anything even when he has the ball and has opportunities in front of him he just can't execute

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2017, 04:04 PM

QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Sep 10 2017, 03:53 PM) *
Montolivo is apparently incapable of anything other than standing over the ball for a century before passing backwards.


And it's so frustrating! He receives the ball, looks around, raises his right foot and stays like that for 3-4 seconds rotating a little bit before making the easiest pass in the world. That's Montolivo for you. Genius of football.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 10 2017, 03:53 PM) *
Montella is the main culprit here.


Yes. If I was Fassone I'd sack him immediately. Spending over 200M for him to start Montolivo, Borini and Cutrone, inappropriate formation, and a team without passion and ideas. Pathetic. GTFO!!!

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2017, 04:05 PM

No changes

...

Posted by: milanbuf88 Sep 10 2017, 04:08 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 10 2017, 12:05 PM) *
No changes

...

What a joke! If we don't pull one back in the first ten minutes then Montella needs a beating.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Sep 10 2017, 04:09 PM

Ughhhhh

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 04:09 PM

My God!

Getting hattricked by Immobile!

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 04:11 PM

Uneccaptable

Posted by: milanbuf88 Sep 10 2017, 04:11 PM

Can we call the game now?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 04:18 PM

Monto pulls one back

Nice 2nd touch from Hakan

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2017, 04:22 PM

Anyone but him should have scored.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2017, 04:29 PM

The moment Hakan and Kalinic came on for Borini and Cutrone we started to look like a team.

Posted by: Ry4n Sep 10 2017, 04:43 PM

sad.gif so it looks like Lazio' manager got the better of us today fack sake..

Simone vs Montella

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 04:53 PM

I don't even feel angry right now, just completely disappointed. We should do better, no excuses. We did better last season with that sad excuse for a team. Montella has a lot to answer for.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 04:55 PM

Montella better not change the entire line-up for the EL game. This group needs time to gel, and so far he has not let this happen with his constant rotation

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 04:56 PM

Just embarrassing. Can't wait to read what Montella has to say about this

Posted by: Fishdoll Sep 10 2017, 04:56 PM

Well, that was a complete clusterf***.

Montella to blame for the bad lineup and tactics, but the players didn't help matters at all.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 10 2017, 04:56 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 10 2017, 06:29 PM) *
The moment Hakan and Kalinic came on for Borini and Cutrone we started to look like a team.

Or rather, Lazio scored 4 goals and decided to step down.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 10 2017, 06:53 PM) *
I don't even feel angry right now, just completely disappointed. We should do better, no excuses. We did better last season with that sad excuse for a team. Montella has a lot to answer for.


Exactly.

From what I read from German papers and tv shows, Carletto's time at Bayern could be over sooner rather then later. I think we should keep him on a shortlist.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 10 2017, 04:56 PM

I feel the same Han.

Actually, this game, for a reasonable coach should tell two or three things.

1. Calabria never wears a Milan jersey again.

2. 4-3-3 is dead, use 3-5-2 or get sacked.

3. Anyone except Borini.

4. Save Cutrone for Crotone, this shiit is above his level.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Sep 10 2017, 04:57 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 10 2017, 12:53 PM) *
I don't even feel angry right now, just completely disappointed. We should do better, no excuses. We did better last season with that sad excuse for a team. Montella has a lot to answer for.

Same here. I was angry earlier when the goals happened but now I'm just drained. Such a disappointing display. Montella really needs to get the defense sorted out. Play your best damn eleven already. We need to gel and fast.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 05:11 PM

QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Sep 10 2017, 04:56 PM) *
Well, that was a complete clusterf***.

Montella to blame for the bad lineup and tactics, but the players didn't help matters at all.

True the players didn't help out, but I feel like there's a general confusion about each player and their role. Bonucci was all the way up near the opposition's box on their 3rd. Just makes no sense for him to push up so high when you're a 2-0 and still have nearly 45 minutes left to play. Same goes for the 4th.

I think the 4-3-3 is really not helping matters. Bonucci is clearly more comfortable in a back 3. He just looks flat footed atm. Musacchio also looking very suspect. I can't tell if this is because they're getting continually exposed by their midfield and FBs pushing too high, or because they're not yet comfortable with each other and the system or a combination of both.

Kessie is another huge problem for me atm. One moment he does something great, blink and he's messing up. His inexperience is really showing through imo

Cutrone, I've probably said this a million times, but I'm going to say it again, we can't get ahead of ourselves about this kid. He's deadly in front of goal, he's clearly got the instincts but he's just not involved in the general play, which is problematic. So my question is, why do you use him instead of either Kalinic or Silva who have far more experience and are both good in the build up? Cutrone might be good against teams like Crotone when we have 10 players in the opposition's half but he's not ready for a game like this and Montella should have recognised this before hand. I honeslty feel sorry for Silva. For me he's one of our most exciting signings and he's being left out.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 10 2017, 04:56 PM) *
Or rather, Lazio scored 4 goals and decided to step down.

True, but imo we showed more signs of life once they came on. Not saying it's not partly due to Lazio handing over the reigns but we actually managed to combine a couple of plays.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 10 2017, 04:56 PM) *
From what I read from German papers and tv shows, Carletto's time at Bayern could be over sooner rather then later. I think we should keep him on a shortlist.

The man I'd really want for this job would be Conte. We have a team designed for the type of game he likes to play. Sadly he's unreachable. Carlo has a very different philosophy. I don't think he's switch to a back 3 either tbh

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 10 2017, 04:56 PM) *
I feel the same Han.

Actually, this game, for a reasonable coach should tell two or three things.

1. Calabria never wears a Milan jersey again.

2. 4-3-3 is dead, use 3-5-2 or get sacked.

3. Anyone except Borini.

4. Save Cutrone for Crotone, this shiit is above his level.

Why Calabria? I didn't think he was that bad, his defending needs more work sure, and it's obvious he's not yet cut out for these games. My question is why not Abate? Why go for the inexperienced kid against the tough opponent FFS? Montella's choices have really been baffling to me as of late.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 10 2017, 05:22 PM

So, my match ratings here:

Donnaruma - 5.5 - couldn't do much, but didn't look particularly good with the corner crosses coming in

Calabria - 5 - defensively unreliable and offensively unattractive
Bonucci - 4 - very bad performance, he has to up his game quickly
Musacchio - 5.5 - sleepy and slow from time to time, not particularly good game
Rodriguez - 5.5 - a bit more reliable defensively then Calabria, yet no offensive effect
Biglia - 5.5 - as a metronome he was way too slow, but still an upgrade compared to Monto
Montolivo - 5 - like a ex-player who from time to time shows glimpses of his past prime
Kessie - 4 - definitively the weakest link, countless wrong passes and runs, beside the crucial stupid penalty
Suso - 5.5 - not present for most of the game
Borini - 5.5 - same as Suso
Cutrone - 5.5 - too green to start such a match I guess, no argument here

Calhanoglou - 6.5 - actually did well but it was much too late
Kalinić - 6 - nothing special
Bonaventura - no rating

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 10 2017, 05:32 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 10 2017, 07:11 PM) *
True the players didn't help out, but I feel like there's a general confusion about each player and their role. Bonucci was all the way up near the opposition's box on their 3rd. Just makes no sense for him to push up so high when you're a 2-0 and still have nearly 45 minutes left to play. Same goes for the 4th.

I think the 4-3-3 is really not helping matters. Bonucci is clearly more comfortable in a back 3. He just looks flat footed atm. Musacchio also looking very suspect. I can't tell if this is because they're getting continually exposed by their midfield and FBs pushing too high, or because they're not yet comfortable with each other and the system or a combination of both.

Kessie is another huge problem for me atm. One moment he does something great, blink and he's messing up. His inexperience is really showing through imo

Cutrone, I've probably said this a million times, but I'm going to say it again, we can't get ahead of ourselves about this kid. He's deadly in front of goal, he's clearly got the instincts but he's just not involved in the general play, which is problematic. So my question is, why do you use him instead of either Kalinic or Silva who have far more experience and are both good in the build up? Cutrone might be good against teams like Crotone when we have 10 players in the opposition's half but he's not ready for a game like this and Montella should have recognised this before hand. I honeslty feel sorry for Silva. For me he's one of our most exciting signings and he's being left out.


True, but imo we showed more signs of life once they came on. Not saying it's not partly due to Lazio handing over the reigns but we actually managed to combine a couple of plays.


The man I'd really want for this job would be Conte. We have a team designed for the type of game he likes to play. Sadly he's unreachable. Carlo has a very different philosophy. I don't think he's switch to a back 3 either tbh


Why Calabria? I didn't think he was that bad, his defending needs more work sure, and it's obvious he's not yet cut out for these games. My question is why not Abate? Why go for the inexperienced kid against the tough opponent FFS? Montella's choices have really been baffling to me as of late.

First Kessie. I get your general sentiment, but the thing is, hes doing far more studip game-deciding errors then good things. So far he costed us 2 goals and I'm becoming more and more sceptical.

Conte would be good but he has clear limitations. Maybe he'll leave Chelsea and we could try get him but its unlike. Ancelottiwould mean a lot of emotions and - a thing we sorely need - experience, after so many rookie, starter or inexperienced coaches.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2017, 05:47 PM

Montella will be sacked by November. I don't think he has what it takes to lead a great team in the making.

His inflexibility at changing formation, his continuous mistakes at picking players, his inability at giving this team an identity (especially since we made most of our signings in July and he had all the time in the world to think everything through).

It's truly sad to see our attack being led by Borini and Cutrone when we've spent +200 million. It's sad to see a washed-up Montolivo being the leader in our midfield. It's sad to have players like Abate, Calhanoglu, Bonaventura, Kalinic and Silva sit on the bench in such a difficult and crucial fixture.

We truly lack a great coach.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 10 2017, 06:32 PM

But I think you guys are putting way too much faith in the 3 backline. I mean Bonucci has been poor so far, and it's a bit funny how we all suppose he's "unconfortable" playing the back 4. If he's so damn good as he made me think he is and we all hoped for, he should really perform well along with Musacchio, Rodriguez, Abate/Calabria/Conti in a back 4 as well.

Sure, with both fullback being offensively attuned and Bonucci having played this system for years, it's crazy not to try this 3 backline. But Bonucci has to step up now, so far he's really disappointed me.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2017, 07:06 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 10 2017, 06:32 PM) *
But I think you guys are putting way too much faith in the 3 backline. I mean Bonucci has been poor so far, and it's a bit funny how we all suppose he's "unconfortable" playing the back 4. If he's so damn good as he made me think he is and we all hoped for, he should really perform well along with Musacchio, Rodriguez, Abate/Calabria/Conti in a back 4 as well.

Sure, with both fullback being offensively attuned and Bonucci having played this system for years, it's crazy not to try this 3 backline. But Bonucci has to step up now, so far he's really disappointed me.


I never believed that story. A great defender performs well regardless of the system.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 10 2017, 07:07 PM

So the question is - and I'm being intentionally provocative and radical - is Bonucci really a great defender?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 07:10 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 10 2017, 05:47 PM) *
Montella will be sacked by November. I don't think he has what it takes to lead a great team in the making.

His inflexibility at changing formation, his continuous mistakes at picking players, his inability at giving this team an identity (especially since we made most of our signings in July and he had all the time in the world to think everything through).

It's truly sad to see our attack being led by Borini and Cutrone when we've spent +200 million. It's sad to see a washed-up Montolivo being the leader in our midfield. It's sad to have players like Abate, Calhanoglu, Bonaventura, Kalinic and Silva sit on the bench in such a difficult and crucial fixture.

We truly lack a great coach.

We'll see what happens with Montella, I'm not convinced the management will go all gung-ho on sacking him as their options are limited.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 10 2017, 06:32 PM) *
But I think you guys are putting way too much faith in the 3 backline. I mean Bonucci has been poor so far, and it's a bit funny how we all suppose he's "unconfortable" playing the back 4. If he's so damn good as he made me think he is and we all hoped for, he should really perform well along with Musacchio, Rodriguez, Abate/Calabria/Conti in a back 4 as well.

Sure, with both fullback being offensively attuned and Bonucci having played this system for years, it's crazy not to try this 3 backline. But Bonucci has to step up now, so far he's really disappointed me.

Agreed that Bonucci has been disappointing. He's been cocooned in a specific system for a long time both with Juve and Italy. For me, I think he's much better in a back 3 and this was also apparent at Juve. I think Bonucci is a decent stopper, but what makes him so great is his passing and ability to move forward out of defence and right now we're not exploiting that as he's not free to do what he's great at. Him and Musacchio both have looked flat footed. They're both very good individual defender but I feel like atm they're not connecting, and imo that's one of the most crucial aspects in a CB pairing/trio. Montella has had a lot of time to get this to work, but he's shifted the defence around in each of the games. He can say rotation until the cows come home, but the defence is just not an area you can mess around with, especially when all 4 are new players to the team and to each other.

I think a back 3 will fix a lot of our problems, not to mention we can move away from the 4-3-3 which is literally killing us. Suso is probable the only player that benefits from this formation currently, the rest look like they're square pegs in round holes. I even think there are back 4 formations which could work much better than a 4-3-3. A 4-3-3 without wingers is literally shooting yourself in the foot, and why a coach like Montella who came onto the scene as this innovative and adventurous coach, fails to see this is beyond me


Just look at what he says here

I would field the same players if I had to make the decisions again. In my view, these were the best players for the situation. Patrick Cutrone is in better shape than the other strikers, Jack Bonaventura was coming back from injury, Hakan Calhanoglu wasn’t at his best, playing for his country with a knock.

“I thought on an individual level that Lucas Biglia and Montolivo had good performances. The issues were elsewhere.”

Physically, the team is fine, it was a psychological drop-off after the penalty. When your head isn’t on point, the body won’t follow


I'm sorry but how can he say this after what we all saw?

First off, the penalty wasn't what started the downfall, we started to play like cr@p after the brief stop when Bastos came on. And I pointed it out here actually saying that it looks like we can only maintain the good performance for 20 minutes (which is also what happened against Cagliari)

Second, how can you insist that you wouldn't change anything about the line-up? There were players on the pitch that were clearly not up to the task. Cutrone was very obviously out of his league out there. Borini is an attacking version of Poli, he contributes absolutely nothing to our game aside from useless running

Third, Montolivo was not good, no. He destroys the entire flow of our midfield with his super slow thinking and decision making. How can he not see what is obviously in front of him? Montolivo is at the core of what is wrong with this current Milan. Picking the inferior player to the one on the bench is a fatal error imo.

Same goes with Calabria. Why wasn't Abate picked? The player who has far more experience and is far more solid defensively than Calabria. I'm not going to be overly critical on Calabria, I think he's talented, but he looks like more of a WB to me than a FB. His defensive duties are at times abandoned and he tends to leave wide open spaces behind him

I agree about Kessie. I don't like the fact that we have no one to really replace him, to me it's bad that we have a 20 year old who is made an undisputed starter as this tends to also effect his performances. Maybe Locatelli can be tried out there, give Kessie a bit of a slap in the face because atm it looks like he's sleeping


Posted by: X-Offender Sep 10 2017, 07:12 PM

Excuses, Han. Excuses. Montella is a small coach who's incapable of seeing his mistakes and taking the blame.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 10 2017, 07:13 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 10 2017, 07:07 PM) *
So the question is - and I'm being intentionally provocative and radical - is Bonucci really a great defender?

I think he's a great overall player, I never regarded him as a great stopper (just that). I in fact called him Bone head Bonucci many a times here (check my posts).

And I think a back 3 is where he excels. He's played a bad 4 at Juve with success, sure. But he was in their Juve bubble, a system that is solid, we're not that, our midfield is non-existent right now and the defence is getting continually exposed, and this is exposing his flaws which were well covered at Juve

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 10 2017, 11:10 PM

So we're back to the midfield question. Right back what I told you guys some weeks ago. Lucas Biglia won't solve half our problems there. IMO this is where our summer market failed.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 11 2017, 07:34 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 10 2017, 11:10 PM) *
So we're back to the midfield question. Right back what I told you guys some weeks ago. Lucas Biglia won't solve half our problems there. IMO this is where our summer market failed.

Biglia is a very good player, and he's miles ahead of what we've had these last few years. But him alone won't solve all our problems, no.

I think the system is messed up atm, and Kessie is not living up to what we're expecting, certainly not in these last 2 games.

Playing Monto in there doesn't help matters much either

I agree that we should have done more in the midfield. We should have gotten a better mezzalla and someone who can give Kessie some sort of competition for his place. Maybe we'll do something here in the winter, but imo this group is much better than what we had last season and atm they look just as bad as what we did have last season. Montella is the one who has to figure out the right combination and decide which players complement each other and which don't

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 11 2017, 09:22 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 10 2017, 11:10 PM) *
So we're back to the midfield question. Right back what I told you guys some weeks ago. Lucas Biglia won't solve half our problems there. IMO this is where our summer market failed.


I don't think anybody expects Biglia to solve our midfield issues. They can only be solved by playing the right system with the right players. Because at least now we don't have anymore the excuse of a crappy team.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 11 2017, 10:53 AM

Well, we signed Hakan - a real gamble, an inexperienced kid who's had just one good Serie A season prior to transfering to us and Biglia, the only seasoned and experienced player for midfield.

Biglia should clearly be a metronome and substitute Montolivo. But next to that I only see problems. We have Hakan who IMO functions best when played deep down along with Biglia as kind of a "German 6" (a position played by Did Hamann for example), the problem is the pairing of Hakan and Biglia lacks strength and defensive solidity.

Next we have Kessie who - and I'm really jumping ahead here - appears to me as a jack of all trades, a player who might be great with Atalanta but seriously questionable with more ambitious teams. His defensive work is bad to say at least, which is unfortunate - because he has power and strenght and could easily be the next Desailly. But his offensive work leaves also much to be desired, I mean he makes good runs and passes but that's not enough for the modern offensive midfielder to cut the curve. All in all Kessie is, it seems to me, unable to occupy about 75% of the positions in midfield because of some disadvantage. That makes me seriously question him.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 11 2017, 11:46 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 11 2017, 10:53 AM) *
Well, we signed Hakan - a real gamble, an inexperienced kid who's had just one good Serie A season prior to transfering to us and Biglia, the only seasoned and experienced player for midfield.

Biglia should clearly be a metronome and substitute Montolivo. But next to that I only see problems. We have Hakan who IMO functions best when played deep down along with Biglia as kind of a "German 6" (a position played by Did Hamann for example), the problem is the pairing of Hakan and Biglia lacks strength and defensive solidity.

Next we have Kessie who - and I'm really jumping ahead here - appears to me as a jack of all trades, a player who might be great with Atalanta but seriously questionable with more ambitious teams. His defensive work is bad to say at least, which is unfortunate - because he has power and strenght and could easily be the next Desailly. But his offensive work leaves also much to be desired, I mean he makes good runs and passes but that's not enough for the modern offensive midfielder to cut the curve. All in all Kessie is, it seems to me, unable to occupy about 75% of the positions in midfield because of some disadvantage. That makes me seriously question him.


I disagree.

Firstly, I don't think Hakan functions best as a deep-lying midfielder. He's always been an advanced midfielder. That's where he best expresses his qualities.

Secondly, I don't agree that Kessie is bad defensively. On the contrary, his strong physique and stamina is what made him excel at Atalanta as part of a double-pivot alongside Gagliardini in front of a 3-man defense.

At this point I think it goes without saying that we should switch system as follows:

Donnarumma
Musacchio - Bonucci - Romagnoli
Conti - Kessie - Biglia - Rodriguez
Suso - Jack
Kalinic


That is a very solid formation IMO.

Posted by: Danny Sep 11 2017, 01:24 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 11 2017, 10:53 AM) *
Well, we signed Hakan - a real gamble, an inexperienced kid who's had just one good Serie A season prior to transfering to us and Biglia, the only seasoned and experienced player for midfield.

Biglia should clearly be a metronome and substitute Montolivo. But next to that I only see problems. We have Hakan who IMO functions best when played deep down along with Biglia as kind of a "German 6" (a position played by Did Hamann for example), the problem is the pairing of Hakan and Biglia lacks strength and defensive solidity.

Next we have Kessie who - and I'm really jumping ahead here - appears to me as a jack of all trades, a player who might be great with Atalanta but seriously questionable with more ambitious teams. His defensive work is bad to say at least, which is unfortunate - because he has power and strenght and could easily be the next Desailly. But his offensive work leaves also much to be desired, I mean he makes good runs and passes but that's not enough for the modern offensive midfielder to cut the curve. All in all Kessie is, it seems to me, unable to occupy about 75% of the positions in midfield because of some disadvantage. That makes me seriously question him.


Isn't this frustrating? We spend a boatload and yet here we are in exactly the same place, maybe worse, just arguing about new issues.

Incidentally you guys will know Italy had a mare against Spain. Bonucci alongside his old stomping mate Barzagli. That was a four at the back. It seems to me the guy can't play in a pairing. Simple as, really. Commentators made a valid point - at Juve he always knew Chiellini and Bazagli were next to him. Now he doesn't know if he's coming or going.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 11 2017, 05:39 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 10 2017, 07:11 PM) *
True the players didn't help out, but I feel like there's a general confusion about each player and their role. Bonucci was all the way up near the opposition's box on their 3rd. Just makes no sense for him to push up so high when you're a 2-0 and still have nearly 45 minutes left to play. Same goes for the 4th.

I think the 4-3-3 is really not helping matters. Bonucci is clearly more comfortable in a back 3. He just looks flat footed atm. Musacchio also looking very suspect. I can't tell if this is because they're getting continually exposed by their midfield and FBs pushing too high, or because they're not yet comfortable with each other and the system or a combination of both.

Kessie is another huge problem for me atm. One moment he does something great, blink and he's messing up. His inexperience is really showing through imo

Cutrone, I've probably said this a million times, but I'm going to say it again, we can't get ahead of ourselves about this kid. He's deadly in front of goal, he's clearly got the instincts but he's just not involved in the general play, which is problematic. So my question is, why do you use him instead of either Kalinic or Silva who have far more experience and are both good in the build up? Cutrone might be good against teams like Crotone when we have 10 players in the opposition's half but he's not ready for a game like this and Montella should have recognised this before hand. I honeslty feel sorry for Silva. For me he's one of our most exciting signings and he's being left out.


True, but imo we showed more signs of life once they came on. Not saying it's not partly due to Lazio handing over the reigns but we actually managed to combine a couple of plays.


The man I'd really want for this job would be Conte. We have a team designed for the type of game he likes to play. Sadly he's unreachable. Carlo has a very different philosophy. I don't think he's switch to a back 3 either tbh


Why Calabria? I didn't think he was that bad, his defending needs more work sure, and it's obvious he's not yet cut out for these games. My question is why not Abate? Why go for the inexperienced kid against the tough opponent FFS? Montella's choices have really been baffling to me as of late.


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Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 12 2017, 09:53 AM

Its only normal to get a result like this when 11 new players are brought in.

You could have the 'origional' galactico of Madrid and they still got their share of hiccups.

Id give the team at least six months to get things together and start playing as a team.

Complaining and crying after a handful of games is unfair both to yourself and the 'new' squad who have yet to form a team.

Posted by: Danny Sep 12 2017, 01:13 PM

Owners won't give the team or Montella anything like 6 months. If we're languishing around 6-10th by December, I can see his P45 being delivered.

Owners invested big, and they will expect reasonably swift results.

We're not Crystal Palace who sack a boss after four matches, but 6 months is too long.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 12 2017, 04:23 PM

Montella had a confrontation with the Squad because of the lost game against Lazio.
He told the leaders of the Team that from now on he will play with 3-5-2
[SKY]

Posted by: han2503 Sep 12 2017, 07:15 PM

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 12 2017, 04:23 PM) *
Montella had a confrontation with the Squad because of the lost game against Lazio.
He told the leaders of the Team that from now on he will play with 3-5-2
[SKY]

Finally!

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 12 2017, 10:34 PM

Curious to see if he'll go 3-5-2 with two strikers or 3-4-2-1. I'd prefer the latter.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 12 2017, 10:38 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 13 2017, 12:34 AM) *
Curious to see if he'll go 3-5-2 with two strikers or 3-4-2-1. I'd prefer the latter.


Montella tested Suso beside Kalinic in the 3-5-2 formation in today's training, but Andre Silva-Kalinic remain the likely hypothesis [Sky].

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 12 2017, 10:41 PM

You can't leave Suso out. Maybe in the EL yes, but in the league he has to always start.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 13 2017, 12:15 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 13 2017, 12:41 AM) *
You can't leave Suso out. Maybe in the EL yes, but in the league he has to always start.


He wont be out. If we gonna play with 2 strikers we must have at least 4 in total. So, I believe Kalinic and Suso will be starters, while Silva will be the alternative. Cutrone to be a back up.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 13 2017, 01:48 PM

EL probable line-up: Donnarumma; Musacchio, Bonucci, Romagnoli; Abate, Kessie, Biglia, Bonaventura, Antonelli; André Silva, Kalinic.

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