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Posted by: KingKaka Feb 3 2009, 10:14 PM
might as well start dreaming of the summer window
Posted by: acid911 Feb 4 2009, 04:11 PM
About time, too. 
I frankly don't know what to think of in the next transfer window. I'm blank.
Posted by: Tennie Feb 4 2009, 11:58 PM
Fishdoll would like to see Abate brought back in the summer window. 
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 5 2009, 12:03 AM
Very well said. the only dream signing of mine which came true was Pato. I don't think I will go through such emotion ever again. because now I dream of likes Messi, Chiellini, Iniesta, etc. and they're, well, unaffordable for us.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 5 2009, 12:35 AM
my first wish for the summer transfer will be to sell emerson
Posted by: acid911 Feb 5 2009, 12:43 AM
+1. He should have been sold this January to clubs where he actually has a chance to play.
Regularly.
Posted by: dst Feb 5 2009, 12:48 AM
Nesta... 
Posted by: whoarethepatriots Feb 5 2009, 02:07 AM
I hope we get back, Abate, Paloschi and Gourcuff and sell Emo, Ronaldinho and Dida
Realistically i dont see much if any of it happening, the management will piss away Abate (like we usually do to Primavera boys) Paloschi will stay at Parma for another year (i wouldnt be surprised if they ended up outbidding us for him) and Gourcuff will be bought by Bordeaux and sold for double the price they will buy him for
Emo will stay (we love our useless old players) Ronaldinho i want to go (while we can get a decent price for him) and Dida will stay because we are a sentimental player
Likely signings - Thiago Neves, Hernano and Deco
Posted by: Ro Rossonera Feb 5 2009, 02:42 AM
One thing I hope for is that we chill on the jungle fever and start bringing in some homegrown talent
Posted by: KakaIlCapitano Feb 5 2009, 02:58 AM
Realistically i dont see much if any of it happening, the management will piss away Abate (like we usually do to Primavera boys) Paloschi will stay at Parma for another year (i wouldnt be surprised if they ended up outbidding us for him) and Gourcuff will be bought by Bordeaux and sold for double the price they will buy him for
Emo will stay (we love our useless old players) Ronaldinho i want to go (while we can get a decent price for him) and Dida will stay because we are a sentimental player
Likely signings - Thiago Neves, Hernano and Deco
Yes you will sell Ronaldinho, who have prove his worth to the club and all this old guys story and you will bring a very young and talented player Deco.....
you dont know what are you talking about.
Very smart!
Please remember not to insult other boardmembers. It's against the rules.
Posted by: Tennie Feb 5 2009, 03:10 AM
Kaka il Capitano, if you notice, whoarthepatriots said he'd like to get back Abate, Paloschi and Gourcuff. He said he thought it likely that Milan would sign the three players at the bottom.
I also hope to see Paloschi and Abate return. Abate has been consistenly good for Toro and he's just fun to watch. Paloschi is...well, he's Pippo v2, complete with goofy-face goal celebration.
Posted by: whoarethepatriots Feb 5 2009, 03:12 AM
I sense that someones sarcasm detector isnt working today
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 5 2009, 06:46 AM
Even if we buy no one else, I want our defence to be sorted out. Is Nesta playing or isn't he. Decide once and for all if he's going to be the Pippo of our defence. The guest star who owns the show when he turns up, or the mainstay of our defence.
Get another Favalli type, since Giuseppe leaves after this season. (I think) One LB. Really, we need one! Mid-field, I don't mind having Kuffkuff back at all. But with R80 struggling to fit into Carlo's plans, I wonder if he'll be able to squeeze Kuffkuff in as well.
Abate? I dunno. Where would he fit in? He wouldn't find enough time there.
I'd extend loans/ownerships for Palo, Abate, Albertazzi etc. I would also try to get Darmian out somewhere in Serie A. Hopefully Samp or Genoa. Someone who will challenge and play in Europe.
So without taking names...
1. Sort our defence out once and for all. Clean house if need be. One, LB and one CB needed.
2. Sort our mid-field problems. With R80 or without. With Becks or without. Kuffkuff? Yes? No?
3. Target man. Either feed Borriello some Hulk serum, or get a replacement. Bobo Vieri? Since Emo is going, and we're gonna need a replacement. A target man for the team AND for the forum. 
Posted by: Tennie Feb 5 2009, 12:40 PM
Hm. Mediaset are reporting that Milan have shown interest in Genoa centerback Salvatore Bocchetti. So far Genoa aren't inclined to let him go. (Nice to see Milan showing interest in young Italian defenders! Bocchetti plays for the U21s).
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 5 2009, 01:09 PM
Is that like our new mantra for getting in young players? Whomsoever plays for the national U-23s U-21s will be purchased??
Posted by: whoarethepatriots Feb 5 2009, 01:10 PM
I think i remember watching Bochetti play in the Toulon tournament. He was pretty damn solid in for the Azzurrini
Posted by: Tennie Feb 5 2009, 01:12 PM
Yep, he played in Toulon. And he's been pretty solid for Genoa so far too.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 5 2009, 01:20 PM
So this is where the Kuffkuff money will go?
Posted by: acid911 Feb 5 2009, 01:21 PM
Yeah, what about our own young Italian defenders?
It's about time we stopped poking our noses in these young players from other clubs and show faith to our Primavera squad. Darmian should get an extended run from now on, even if it means the last 20-30 minutes of each match (depending on situation). How else will we find out whether he has it in him?
Posted by: Tennie Feb 5 2009, 01:25 PM
I'd love to see Darmian get an extended run and would love to see him feature as a regular player for Milan.
That said, if Milan are going to be linked with other young defenders, it's refreshing that for once it's a young Italian.
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 5 2009, 03:50 PM
I have no problem with Dida staying, because we could do a lot worse for a backup GK and he deserves to at least see out the end of his contract (which expires next season), and also because he's a model professional who keeps his mouth shut and works his butt off for the team; in other words, he's the anti-Seedorf. And before someone inevitably drags his salary into the discussion; nobody truly knows how much he's making for the year, especially now that he's on the bench.
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 5 2009, 07:12 PM
I have to agree with this post.
Posted by: Tennie Feb 5 2009, 07:21 PM
Here's a list from Mediaset of players whose contracts expire at the end of the season....for England, Spain, France, and Germany. They must have a similar list for Serie A somewhere too. Will try to find that one. Thought it might be interesting.
PREMIER LEAGUE
MIKEL (c, Chelsea)
BALLACK (c, Chelsea)
G. NEVILLE (d, Manchester United)
EVANS (d, Manchester United)
GIGGS (c/a, Manchester United)
TEVEZ (a, Manchester United)
HYYPIA (d, Liverpool)
ROSICKY (c, Arsenal)
EBOUE' (d/c, Arsenal)
BALL (d, Manchester City)
GLAUBER (d, Manchester City)
VASSELL (a, Manchester City)
SALIFOU (c, Aston Villa)
D. TRAORE' (d, Portsmouth)
EDGAR (d, Newcastle)
OWEN (a, Newcastle)
LOVENKRANDS (a, Newcastle)
MOKOENA (c, Blackburn)
COLLISON (c, West Ham)
VAZ TE' (a, Bolton)
FULLER (a, Stoke City)
SIDIBE' (a, Stoke City)
RICKETTS (d, Hull City)
LIGA
JORQUERA (p, Barcellona)
F. CANNAVARO (d, Real Madrid)
IBANEZ (d, Atletico Madrid)
HUGO VIANA (c, Valencia)
KAMENI (p, Espanyol)
ANDER MURILLO (d, Athletic Bilbao)
DE GUZMAN (c, La Coruna)
JAVIER FLANO (d, Osasuna)
LIGUE 1
FRED (a, Lione)
M'BAMI (c, Marsiglia)
DEMBELE (d, Rennes)
MATHIEU (d, Tolosa)
MANSARE (c/a, Tolosa)
BERGOUGNOUX (a, Tolosa)
PEDRETTI (c, Auxerre)
NAMOUCHI (a, Lorient)
MAIGA (a, Le Mans)
GAVANON (p, Sochaux)
AFOLABI (d, Sochaux)
NIKEZIC (a, Le Havre)
ALASSANE (a, Le Havre)
N'GANGA (c, Grenoble)
DIMITRIJEVIC (c, Grenoble)
BUNDESLIGA
PELLATZ (p, Werder Brema)
KRUSE (c, Werder Brema)
DOMASCHKE (p, Bayer Leverkusen)
HAGGUI (d, Bayer Leverkusen)
KUNERT (c, Amburgo)
ALEX (d, Wolfsburg)
MADLUNG (d, Wolfsburg)
HILL (a, Wolfsburg)
JANKER (d, Hoffenheim)
TEBER (c, Hoffenheim)
INAMOTO (c, Eintracht Francoforte)
LJUBICIC (c, Eintracht Francoforte)
JENSEN (p, Hannover)
MATIP (d, Colonia)
BROICH (c, Colonia)
EHRET (c, Colonia)
STOLL (d, Karlsruhe)
FREIS (a, Karlsruhe)
RAU (c, Arminia Bielefeld)
MARX (c, Arminia Bielefeld)
SHAO (a, Energie Cottbus)
LERCHL (c, Energie Cottbus)
MULLER (c, Energie Cottbus)
Posted by: Habitant Feb 5 2009, 07:29 PM
i'd say the most valuable player on the list would be mikel.
other guys i wouldnt mind getting:ballack, fred(would be a good signing),kameni, rosicky?... (too injury prone)
lets get a canadian player de guzman, edgar!
Posted by: dst Feb 5 2009, 07:34 PM
I can see Owen, Ballack, Giggs, Neville and Hyypia playing for Milan next season... 
Posted by: Habitant Feb 5 2009, 07:39 PM
baggio is a free agent too no?
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 5 2009, 10:12 PM
Thanks.
Posted by: acid911 Feb 5 2009, 10:13 PM
Anytime,
Besides it's not that hard to agree with posts that are true!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 5 2009, 10:20 PM
Didn't Fred just recently move?
Some interesting players all in all...
Posted by: Tennie Feb 5 2009, 10:26 PM
Fred's supposedly on his way back to Brazil.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 6 2009, 06:34 AM
Wouldn't be too suprised if on the Becks move falling through, we got Ballack. We could do much worse I suppose. Mikel is good, but I don't think he's got any tactical sense. He's just a very athletic player. I can see him finding a role in Inter, maybe to replace Viera.
Tevez is an SS. So unless we're getting rid of Sheva, I don't see him coming in. Also he's too ugly for Milan, which means he's likely to go to Inter.
We need a target man, coz Borriello's made of glass.
Oh and Cannavaro is free. I'd take him over Senderos anyday. Screw youth, I'll take 34 year old Canna over Senderos anyday. It would be good business. Canna, Nesta and Thiago Silva with Kaladze, Bonera as backup. Thing is I don't think Canna would play for Milan, after his Juve history. He might go back to Napoli.
Posted by: han2503 Feb 6 2009, 05:01 PM
Of those list I would only look at Mikel, Ballack, Tevez and Canna
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 6 2009, 08:26 PM
Kameni.
Posted by: vnata001 Feb 6 2009, 08:50 PM
Tevez is an SS. So unless we're getting rid of Sheva, I don't see him coming in. Also he's too ugly for Milan, which means he's likely to go to Inter.
We need a target man, coz Borriello's made of glass.
Oh and Cannavaro is free. I'd take him over Senderos anyday. Screw youth, I'll take 34 year old Canna over Senderos anyday. It would be good business. Canna, Nesta and Thiago Silva with Kaladze, Bonera as backup. Thing is I don't think Canna would play for Milan, after his Juve history. He might go back to Napoli.
In 100% agreement with you on Mikel, Canna/Senderos and on the need for a new target man. What happened to Gomez?
I would REALLY like that back line rotation. Nesta/Canna/Silva/Bonera/Kaladze in that order. IF we can pull Daniel Agger out of the hat, then we wouldn't need Canna though. Then Zambrotta, Janku, Antonini, Darmian, Felipe could jostle around for playing time on the wings.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 6 2009, 09:27 PM
What for? Isn't Abbiati good enough? Isn't Dida-Kalac still a good backup combo? Don't we have at least one good primavera keeper?
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 6 2009, 11:29 PM
What for? because he will be a free agent. he's young. and he's great!
I think Kameni is not inferior to any of our 'keepers, espeially Kalac (just my opinion - you don't have to say you disagree).
If I were in Galliani's shoes, I'd sell Kalac and sign Kameni instead...
You tell me... do we?!
Posted by: Tennie Feb 6 2009, 11:33 PM
I don't think he's that good, zeddie. Seen some dreadful, truly dreadful howlers from the guy. Would rather pick up viviano or curci or even samp's kid, fiorillo. (that is, of course, if one is permitted to express the opinion that italians are competent footballers)
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 6 2009, 11:43 PM
Whenever I saw him, he was great. I don't know... I think he's worth going for for those reasons: free agent. young. 'good'.
I think Inter have already bought half of Viviano's contract... is it true?
Come on, Tennie.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 6 2009, 11:56 PM
I think Kameni is not inferior to any of our 'keepers, espeially Kalac (just my opinion - you don't have to say you disagree).
If I were in Galliani's shoes, I'd sell Kalac and sign Kameni instead...
You tell me... do we?!
No. I don't have to disagree. In fact, I agree, Kameni is better then Kalac. But what good do we have of a young keeper sitting on a bench? For my viewpoint:
1) It would just be another player "Milan ruined"
2) We have much more troubled positions to solve then waist time on getting a keeper, when we still have Dida-Abbiati-Kalac. Another story comes along if one of the three leaves.
3) Yes we have. Last time I checked Offredi wasn't bad..
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 7 2009, 12:14 AM
1) It would just be another player "Milan ruined"
2) We have much more troubled positions to solve then waist time on getting a keeper, when we still have Dida-Abbiati-Kalac. Another story comes along if one of the three leaves.
3) Yes we have. Last time I checked Offredi wasn't bad..
I think he's worth it because of those reasons. it's not wasting time or money, but, whatever...
1) Dida is 35. Kalac is 36. how many more years are they going to stay?... one day both will be gone and we will be left wondering what to do and who to bring to replace them.
2) I agree. but again, Kameni is a bonus. we don't have to buy him, we just have to pay him his wages. I doubt it will cost Milan more than, say, Kalac and Emerson's salaries altogether.
3) Offredi wasn't bad? OK, I'm not saying he is bad, but can you tell me what has he done to warrant that?
I think it's unlikely our Primavera players can break through the first team. and it's even more unlikely that a Primavera 'keeper can do that. they're just not in Milan's plans very much.
Posted by: Tennie Feb 7 2009, 12:19 AM
Still don't think Kameni is a good pick, zeddie. I haven't seen him do much better than Kalac, if anything at all.
Curci is free at the end of the season, if memory serves. then there's Handanovic of Udine who I like. Of the Milan-bred keepers, there are Offredi who is getting star ratings (see primavera thread) on loan, and there are two primavera keepers who are very highly rated. Perucchini and Donnaruma.
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 7 2009, 08:04 AM
Curci is free at the end of the season, if memory serves. then there's Handanovic of Udine who I like. Of the Milan-bred keepers, there are Offredi who is getting star ratings (see primavera thread) on loan, and there are two primavera keepers who are very highly rated. Perucchini and Donnaruma.
Really? Kameni is one of the most sought after goal keepers in europe right now. Same with Mandanda. Curci? In my opinion he's not worth investing in. handanovic is good but he'll never see the light of day if abiatti keeps playing like this.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 7 2009, 08:35 AM
Considering Abbiatti's form atm .. I doubt Milan will be looking at any Gkeeper for the firstteam. Maybe a backup, but then again, Milan has a handful of those on loan at several clubs in Serie A.
About the future !? By that time Milan will most likely bring in an experienced one. And the cycle continues .. 
Posted by: Tennie Feb 7 2009, 12:28 PM
Who exactly is after Kameni, Blue? Can you cite articles/sources?
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 7 2009, 02:01 PM
How about we avoid going through another argument? I just made a wish, if it's not a sin.
Posted by: dst Feb 7 2009, 02:09 PM
I have a feeling we'll go for Henry in the summer.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 7 2009, 02:12 PM
Mandanda? Yes, he's good, I agree. But Kameni...well, isn't bad. But Curci is the logic choice, one way or the other.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 7 2009, 02:13 PM
There have been some articles saying Henry will leave. I just hope this doesn't happen.
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 7 2009, 03:33 PM
Oh my god.. Henry!?
I hope this doesn't happen, because.. enough is enough!
Posted by: Giocare08 Feb 8 2009, 05:41 PM
If Carlo stays idont think he will come my guess is he will return to France or come here to the US. Hopefully the Red Bulls!!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 8 2009, 06:09 PM
I think it's important clubs to have 2 players in every position that are of a good level of quality, so that's what we should aim for.
Posted by: gal_kenny Feb 8 2009, 08:52 PM
We need gourcuff...He's like an iniesta, xavi type player...he can help both in midfield and attack...like Iniesta does..And so does Abate..he's fast, talented, and skill...we need these players...can't wait!!! I think that this summer transfer would be interesting for milan to see who goes, who stays, and who comes in!!!
Posted by: whoarethepatriots Feb 8 2009, 11:12 PM
How many of our ex/Primavera players are out on loan or co ownership?
Abate
Paloschi
are the most prominent, but what about any other gems
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 9 2009, 12:23 AM
Di Gennaro, Offredi,...many of them..
Posted by: Tennie Feb 9 2009, 12:31 AM
Take a look at the primavera thread, whoarethepatriots. There are occasional player ratings for the guys out on loan. I have to dig and the info isn't complete but I post it when I can.
Posted by: Habitant Feb 9 2009, 03:45 AM
one of our top priorities besides the defense is a world class striker to play with pato. boriello's a good player but from we've seen he's made of glass, we really can't to rely on him.
i dont think any of our other strikers have any goals in the league ... i mean how can you seriously challenge for the scudetto like that?!?!
ya pippo has been injured for most of the season, same with marco but still that is a pathetic stat....
i've always liked giuseppe rossi, and i know a target man would be ideal but i would love to see him with us.
Posted by: whoarethepatriots Feb 9 2009, 04:15 AM
Rossi is too similar to Pato, they wouldnt compliment each other like Borriello does. I like him too but it isnt an ideal move. We would be better off bringing Paloschi back, but i would prefer it if he matures a bit more at Parma
Posted by: Tennie Feb 9 2009, 04:49 AM
Actually, Pippo has 2 league goals (the winner against Siena and one of the 3 we put past Samp). He's got another 2 in Europe.
Posted by: Habitant Feb 9 2009, 06:04 AM
k i think I missed the siena game ^^
Posted by: Habitant Feb 9 2009, 06:05 AM
still you need a certain amount of height to fill that role, 5'-9"? he just doesnt seem dangerous in the air to really compliment pato.
Posted by: KakaIlCapitano Feb 9 2009, 02:22 PM
Adebayor i think would be the best pick!!!!
With him, we need to confirm Yoann , buy some good defenders (2 of them, maybe 3)and this is it, we are good covered in any other position i think!
Offcors we must sell half of our defenders because they are not good enough to play in a team like milan.......
Janku, Favster, ......
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 9 2009, 05:09 PM
Rossi is aerially stronger then Pato...
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 9 2009, 08:06 PM
And Pato is stronger on the ground
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 9 2009, 08:20 PM
Exactly, that's why I think Pato-Rossi would work excellent..
Posted by: Habitant Feb 9 2009, 08:32 PM
you look at the players we have that support the attack, kaka, seedorf, ronaldinho, even pirlo. they rarely even cross the ball from a WIDE position. i mean the vast majority of the time they try and supply the strikers with balls to their feet. pato is good in the air and has scored 4-5 headers this year, i think a rossi-pato partnership could could work.
if it was up to me our three main striker would be pato, rossi, gomez and rotate among them, get the best combo.
Posted by: whoarethepatriots Feb 9 2009, 09:31 PM
if it was up to me our three main striker would be pato, rossi, gomez and rotate among them, get the best combo.
Thats because our players are all central players, and our main target man is injured. Borriello would be smacking them in from Becks deliveries if he was fit. Our full backs do provide width but it comes at the cost of being susceptible to a counter attack and general defensive weakness
Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 9 2009, 09:39 PM
I'd like Milan to 'modernise the system they play in. It seems to be the day of the winger at the moment, you look at the succesful teams around and they tend to play with very attacking wide players, we should give it a chance!
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 9 2009, 10:07 PM
I think Milan have started to stretch wide more, yet you are right most of Milan's threat is mostly channeled through the middle and not by the side. I suspect that with Beckham, the team has that extra width that is needed to stretch the playing field a bit.
Or are you talking about changing the system and bringing in wingers ?
When did you hear Carlo was leaving ?
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 9 2009, 10:28 PM
Or are you talking about changing the system and bringing in wingers ?
When did you hear Carlo was leaving ?
Maybe it's time for Carlo to abandon his old-fashioned Christmas Tree and use wingers?
I know however that he's too stubborn to do that...
Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 9 2009, 10:33 PM
Surely it can't be THAT difficult to have something like this!
Zambrotta - Nesta - Maldini - Jankulovski
Pirlo - Ambrosini
Winger - Kaka' - Winger
Pato
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 9 2009, 10:37 PM
Yup, but do you know of any defensive wingers ?
Posted by: vnata001 Feb 9 2009, 10:54 PM
Zambrotta - Nesta - Maldini - Jankulovski
Pirlo - Ambrosini
Winger - Kaka' - Winger
Pato
switch pato to one of the wings. play dinho on the other wing. And Borriello/Adebayor/Drogba/Amauri/Zlatan - target man striker up front.
Posted by: Habitant Feb 9 2009, 11:40 PM
i dunno but it's been abuot 2 years our fullbacks havent been providing the proper width that our system requires.
oddo was decent but he couldnt cross for his life.
zambro has no more pace, same with janku.
ya beckham is doing that for us right now but who knows if he's going to be here next season?
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 16 2009, 11:29 PM
The Milan-wants-Kjaer rumor simply does not go away. I bet he'll be one of our targets this summer.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 16 2009, 11:46 PM
yea that appeared everywhere again
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 16 2009, 11:48 PM
I guess it must be true then...and what are the chances Palermo can hold on him?
Posted by: Tennie Feb 17 2009, 12:27 AM
So...what do you guys think of him?
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 17 2009, 01:04 AM
Would Zampa even consider selling him to us? (he's 19 for god's sake. can't we either develop our own youth products or go buy an established defender?!)
Posted by: Tennie Feb 17 2009, 02:18 AM
Good question, zeddie. I personally think that Darmian should be given a solid chance. He's shown a good bit of technique and skill and heck. He's bloody captain of the Italy U20s. Surely that indicates he's halfway decent.
Posted by: gal_kenny Feb 17 2009, 02:31 AM
I know right...he needs to play but we haven't gottn much confidence in him yet that's why...Neways we should bring back Abate and not sign Beckham...
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 17 2009, 06:11 AM
I really think Darmian will make it into the team. There's a lot to be said for a kid who refuses to go out on loan, and would rather play in the team as is. It could even be the reason, why we're not that obsessing about buying a new CB.
Thiago and Darmian for the future? Nesta becomes our new Maldini of the defence with guest appearances.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 17 2009, 10:01 AM
Not sure about Darmain. Both Ancelotti and especially Mauro know their job when it comes to defenders. And yet, Darmain played 2 or 3 matches, for a couple of minutes. And I honestly don't think it's all Carletto's character and stupidity that made that look bad. Tassotti would have said something also.
When played, he's mostly RB. Again, not exactly directing him for the CB.
Who do you have in mind?
(edit: Funny, followin that qoute, one would think Milan fans are never satisfied when it comes to transfers - when you buy experience, you buy and old hag that's worthless, when you buy youth...)
Posted by: acid911 Feb 17 2009, 10:17 AM
There is always the middle part.
The age 26-28 defenders. Established, and nothing but!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 17 2009, 10:25 AM
The age 26-28 defenders. Established, and nothing but!And? I want names from those established defenders!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 17 2009, 10:44 AM
No that would be Madrid. You have to make Huntelaar like transfers. Young and 'established'. Now they'll want Benzema, Messi, Fabregas, Ronaldo, Kaka etc.
I don't think we're stupid enough to not understand the value of squad players. Despite all the criticism, I don't think anyone here really thinks Favalli is useless. It's just that he's been playing (forced to play) as first choice often,that's bothering people. Not me of course. I hope he renews. 
One problem with our squad, is there is not gradual gradation of talent(esp in defence). I mean, there is a HUGE gap in skill between first and second choice, and then for second and third.
Case in point... Nesta-Maldini then Bonera-Kaladze....then Favalli-Senderos?
Sticking with the transfers, I think we need at an urgent level for a LB,CB and a target man striker(middling-above average will do). I'm mainly looking at EU players, since non-EU is always an unknown.
So LB: 
Grosso? (ex-Inter...might work). Sounds ruthless, but exchange Oddo with Lyon for the deal. Or we could give Oddo + cash for Lahm. Or Yoann for Lahm. I dunno. Lahm is difficult, but he's a good wingback.
CB: even more Really I don't know. I can drop names, but the possibilty is remote. Silva is nice. But we need another 6 ft plus dude. I'd like to get one of the Napoli boys. But at this stage, someone who's not got a lot to learn would be nice.
Striker: Borriello is a sole player for a position that's rapidly turning out to be very important for our current setup. So here I would think we'll need one more target man. Not too great, but someone good enough to deal with the smaller sides. I would think Jan Venegoor or Nikola Zigic. 10 million is about par for the course?
Mid-field: On paper, here's where we're staffed well and in depth, but besides the tweaking for the 4 number 10s we still didn't address the junction player. Zee doesn't like being water carrier, and you can only make a player take one for the team for so long. Does anyone know of any Essien types lying around? I would love to have Ballack here in case we don't take Beckham. Since Ballack also provides that aerial threat and is an intelligent box-to-box footballer. I'd gladly take Yoann, but he seems to be playing in the same position as Ronnie-Kaka. It's just more of the same.
Abate (and this one's just for Tennie), could be the crucial right sided wing forward we need. But he might not play a lot.
Something like
--------Rino--------
---Becks--Pirlo-----
Abate-----------Kaka/R80---
------Pato/Borriello-----
So we'd need to spend money for 3 purchases in my book: One LB, One CB and One striker. Oddo would work in providing for one of the transfers. So all in all, I would imagine a total spending of around 20-30 million. (Assuming a top CB).
Outgoing: Paolo, Favalli, Emo, Kalac. So that's about 6-8 million a year saved in wages.
Posted by: Tennie Feb 17 2009, 12:56 PM
Mediaset is saying that Milan are really interested in Mexes...but Roma are asking 20 million.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 17 2009, 01:35 PM
Good points Jack .. IMO, its crucial for the team to have a solid back-line. Especially after Maldini. Nesta's situation after the surgery will be a gray area, his problem is that he pushes too hard as a professional that he brings all sorts of complications to his physical ability as a human being. That said, if he comes back from the operation and his tests show an improvement, then the club will most likely stick with him as a first team player and one CB position already covered.
Another point is Borriello, he has not really been given a chance yet. The positive he is a Milan youth product - which fills the UEFA quota on the minimum required homegrown players. And though he has missed almost a whole season (9 months) of no activity as a player, Eduardo scored a brace in his first game after the operation, hence anything is possible I hope he comes clean in the end
On the midfield, the way I see it, Milan doesn't have room for Gourcuff. The only way he would get in the mix, is if he produces a string of performances that would drive one of the current midfielders to the bench. And considering Beckham's form, Gourcuff's job has just gotten harder.
I think Milan will go for Mexes if Roma ever consider selling the player. And I think, considering the rapport between the two clubs Milan has the upper hand. But yes, he wont come cheap.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 17 2009, 01:35 PM
vidic and mexes linked i think these top quality CB/CBs are needed i would be happy with anyone of them with silva,bonera, darmain, nesta (hopefully ) we will have a strong defence
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 17 2009, 01:58 PM
Oh yes...Mexes would be very good. Especially to play him alongside Silva or Bonera who are no slouches. But I think Mexes could use Favalli's experience.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 17 2009, 02:05 PM
Very much
Posted by: dst Feb 17 2009, 02:11 PM
If Darmian ever becomes a RB I'm going to reveal my sex to you. It's not going to happen.
The first part should be reversed... we have bought some old hags that we labeled experienced...
And you do know there's 10 years between 20- and 30+... we are crying too much in here but I don't think all of it is unfounded.
Kolo Touré.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 17 2009, 02:23 PM
Aaargh...look you cannot get the fact that you're prejudiced against white people get in the way ok??
Posted by: gal_kenny Feb 17 2009, 05:04 PM
Ait i've made up my mind...It was difficult but itts done...If Milan doesn't win anything this season and we still continue with the same players we have next season without bringing in our youngsters out there and defenders, i won't support milan again...I've been teased and humiliated a million times by my friends and people in general about this team...If we don't bring the necessary things needed 4 this team to succeed next year..i'm out...Milan has always been in my heart..cuz i think of them everyday n night, even in my sleep...First we need to win the game against Bremen...If we don't do what i've just posted then i'm out and i'm dead serious...I'm tired of milan pursuing old players!! Milan is just plain WICKED!!! buying beckham? common..he'll be only useful for 2 years and then wat? i've supported milan all my life but this can't go on anymore
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 17 2009, 05:07 PM
this is my second post on these boards and i honestly think the transfer window should happen give or take as the following
Outgoing: Paolo, favalli, emerson, sheva, kaladze( if favalli stays), Kalac, and Seedorf (in an interested buyer makes the deal interesting)
I hope that the FO looks long and hard at a potential Dinho to Man city transfer. Any person watching the Brazil-italy friendly not only noticed how useless toni was, but also could not help at notice that Dinho and Robinho had great chemistry, and dinho had great faith in Robinho. It is noted that they were looking for a playmaking midfielder that would compliment their present star Binho. Even though milan/man city terms are a little uneasy, i think this sale can make a great deal of sense. I could be very wrong but i would expect something like a 24Mil "modest" sum for dinhos services which could help orchestrate the next part of my 09 summer transfer window.
offer 12-13M for Agger which may look like alot for someone struggling to find his way on the top XI but he seems to be quite able to lead an attack from far back
Then if by god's grace we end up getting gourcoff back i would send him to arsenal with a very small amount of cash for Adebayor, if gourcoff stays will bordeau i would tap into the dinho funds to draw Adebayor At any cost. He provides a STRONG pressence in the air and is a very good finisher.
alternatives to Agger would be Kjaer, santacrocce
alternatives to Ade would be Drogba and or and this may sound crazy but....Balotelli he is upset over the fact he is behind Zlatty and Adri-Hand-o, but in milan he would be #1 choice next to pato.
please give me your thoughts..
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 17 2009, 05:08 PM
this is my second post on these boards and i honestly think the transfer window should happen give or take as the following
Outgoing: Paolo, favalli, emerson, sheva, kaladze( if favalli stays), Kalac, and Seedorf (in an interested buyer makes the deal interesting)
I hope that the FO looks long and hard at a potential Dinho to Man city transfer. Any person watching the Brazil-italy friendly not only noticed how useless toni was, but also could not help at notice that Dinho and Robinho had great chemistry, and dinho had great faith in Robinho. It is noted that they were looking for a playmaking midfielder that would compliment their present star Binho. Even though milan/man city terms are a little uneasy, i think this sale can make a great deal of sense. I could be very wrong but i would expect something like a 24Mil "modest" sum for dinhos services which could help orchestrate the next part of my 09 summer transfer window.
offer 12-13M for Agger which may look like alot for someone struggling to find his way on the top XI but he seems to be quite able to lead an attack from far back
Then if by god's grace we end up getting gourcoff back i would send him to arsenal with a very small amount of cash for Adebayor, if gourcoff stays will bordeau i would tap into the dinho funds to draw Adebayor At any cost. He provides a STRONG pressence in the air and is a very good finisher.
alternatives to Agger would be Kjaer, santacrocce
alternatives to Ade would be Drogba and or and this may sound crazy but....Balotelli he is upset over the fact he is behind Zlatty and Adri-Hand-o, but in milan he would be #1 choice next to pato.
please give me your thoughts..
Posted by: gal_kenny Feb 17 2009, 05:10 PM
Outgoing: Paolo, favalli, emerson, sheva, kaladze( if favalli stays), Kalac, and Seedorf (in an interested buyer makes the deal interesting)
I hope that the FO looks long and hard at a potential Dinho to Man city transfer. Any person watching the Brazil-italy friendly not only noticed how useless toni was, but also could not help at notice that Dinho and Robinho had great chemistry, and dinho had great faith in Robinho. It is noted that they were looking for a playmaking midfielder that would compliment their present star Binho. Even though milan/man city terms are a little uneasy, i think this sale can make a great deal of sense. I could be very wrong but i would expect something like a 24Mil "modest" sum for dinhos services which could help orchestrate the next part of my 09 summer transfer window.
offer 12-13M for Agger which may look like alot for someone struggling to find his way on the top XI but he seems to be quite able to lead an attack from far back
Then if by god's grace we end up getting gourcoff back i would send him to arsenal with a very small amount of cash for Adebayor, if gourcoff stays will bordeau i would tap into the dinho funds to draw Adebayor At any cost. He provides a STRONG pressence in the air and is a very good finisher.
alternatives to Agger would be Kjaer, santacrocce
alternatives to Ade would be Drogba and or and this may sound crazy but....Balotelli he is upset over the fact he is behind Zlatty and Adri-Hand-o, but in milan he would be #1 choice next to pato.
please give me your thoughts..
good points but we shouldn't sell Dinho and shouldn't get drogba...Drogba is already getting old..we need yongster mixed with experienced players not old players
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 17 2009, 05:22 PM
i do believe that dinho should be sold before his stint at milan sees his value freefall :s
Posted by: gal_kenny Feb 17 2009, 05:38 PM
Vidic said that the reason why Man U is successful is because they don't talk about or dwell on the past glories but think about the future..But milan...that's a different case...That bast****D Galliani kept talking bout us having 3 golden balls...we're world champ..who gives a f****k? just think bout the future and keep winning..That's why i've made my decision bout milan...its in d previous 3-4 posts i just made
Posted by: dst Feb 17 2009, 07:29 PM
Sell Pato and Kaka, buy Del Piero and Nedved.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 17 2009, 08:17 PM
is DST the funniest man/woman to walk the earth or a inhebreated juve fan? lol
Posted by: elcordobez Feb 17 2009, 08:39 PM
I don't like speculating on the transfers much because usually what i hope for never happens lol so it's like yeh buy whoever i'll still support Milan as long as we keep the chemistry we have in the dressing room,but I don't agree with having a complete overhaul,like selling our established players cos firstly it won't happen unless the player has asks to leave and secondly we generally don't do that we our core players even if they're old,But perhaps we could "overhaul" gradually but definitely nothing drastic as alot of people have mentioned.
I think our attacking game is fine we can score plenty of goals with the players we have.Inter put on their best defensive performance with a full strength squad and we still managed to break them down numerous times,without Kaka.
Borriello might not be worlds best striker and probably never will be,but honestly we don't need one.We just need his characteristics as a partner for Pato.
Watch the goal we scored against Inter,look at what Inzaghi did,he took away 3 of Inters defenders simply by being there,giving Pato loads of space.That's all we need Borriello to do and of course he's completely capable of knocking a few in once in a while and could be someone to aim for apart from Ambro in freekicks so that's all fine.
What we absolutely mustn't do is let Borriello play up there on his own like vs Atalanta,he was missing alot of routine finishes but gave Kaka an assist in the end to redeem himself.On his own our attack is definitely weaker.
So my point there is we don't have attacking problems and we shouldn't waste resources on that department.Our midfield although aging are fine too along with our wingbacks Antonini and Mattioni coming through.OH btw i just realized Mattioni has only played 1 season of professional football ALTOGETHER lol!!...Our scouts must've seen something special in him.
So we just need 1 quality Center Back.
If we go for experience Lucio would be my pick.Now i know he's gonna be 31 when he signs etc..But he has decent physique he'll give us a good 4 - 5 seasons and he won't need time to adapt with Thiago Silva because they're training together with Brazil and wouldn't be too expensive,he'd be keen on joining too since apparently Bayern aren't playing him.By time Lucio is done,or nearly done with his career,Darmian would be old enough and experienced enough to take over and partner Thiago Silva.
I've always envisioned Lucio in a Milan shirt,he's got great character,personable etc...above all solid defender i reckon he'll fit in really well.
Posted by: Rivaldo Feb 17 2009, 08:57 PM
My wishes...
Out - Emerson, Kalac, Favalli, Maldini(both - retire), Sheva, Boriello(if he will continue pick up injuries).
In - Cassano, Mexes, Akinfeev, Zhirkov(both - only dream), Gourcuff
Posted by: elcordobez Feb 17 2009, 08:59 PM
Out - Emerson, Kalac, Favalli, Maldini(both - retire), Sheva, Boriello(if he will continue pick up injuries).
In - Cassano, Mexes, Akinfeev, Zhirkov(both - only dream), Gourcuff
I got 'em in Football Manager
Posted by: Tennie Feb 17 2009, 09:03 PM
I don't follow the Russian league much - how is Akinfeev doing these days? Is he fully recovered from his injury? I rather like him.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 17 2009, 09:11 PM
i do believe the overhaul needs to be done in 2 years but starting next year our elder players must resort to be backups...
Posted by: Habitant Feb 17 2009, 09:24 PM
in time you will come to understand her humour
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 17 2009, 09:26 PM
hehe sounds good
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 17 2009, 10:11 PM
Yep. Maybe that one. Not many of those around 25 avaible + good IMO. That's why we go for youngsters or old veterans.
What can I say other then I've always enjoyed hearing people/my friends make fun of Milan. That only gave me a few motives more to think more positive. You have to switch does bad-vibrations into good ones. Trust me, it's the only reasonable way that also works from time to time.
Ade I don't rate really highly, Balotelli IMO is also overrated,...but Drogba is a big yes for me. The ideal type of striker Capt'n Jack wants!
Most likely...
Posted by: dst Feb 17 2009, 10:25 PM
I think he's a great player, better than Mexes or Vidic to whom we have been linked today and he'd surely also cost us less as it seems he wants out.
Or maybe Santacroce. He's less experienced than those guys but he has a few years on his back (also in Serie B which is a very tough league) and it'd be great if he could develop even more with us!
Posted by: Tennie Feb 17 2009, 10:38 PM
Santacroce has a distressing tendency to pick up a lot of cards. That's the only real negative I can think of with him. He's quite good and does show potential.
Fishdoll is stubborn in wanting Chiellini at Milan, however unrealistic that might be.
Posted by: dst Feb 17 2009, 10:46 PM
Chiellini could come, I don't think he's unsellable especially with Gigli in charge but they'd never let him go for less than 30m which is not worth it in my view.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 17 2009, 10:51 PM
I find Drogba works best alone as he is a presence in the box and commands attention. Unfortunately he may follow the special one to Inter where mou can finally play his 4-3-3 with a very imposing Adriano/Zlatty/Drogba forward formation. I like Adebayor for the simple reason that he is good in the and a one kick finisher, he demands tight defense which opens up pat underneath( who would be playing as our secondary striker). The only issue i have with Ade is yes, granted that wenger said he would be open to sell Ade, he would command 20Mil+ which isn't easy to take a chance with these days. I LOVE the balottelli move for many reasons:
-Pippo can groom 2 players (boriello & Balotelli) while staying another year with milan, perfectly there technique and hopefully teach them how to be onside hehe
-Balotelli and Boriello are very solid in the air alowing pato to stay a bit farther behind to make plays.
-Competition breeds the best out of players and if we we're to sign Ade, boriello probably would see his star in milan fade a little. If him and Balotelli grind it out for every start we will see amazing performances from either
- During the derbies i would find it hard to believe that anyone would play more angry and passionate the super mario lol he would hopefully wreck inter while throwing grass at Mou
-And on a much lesser note, Juve has taken the title as the team with the most italian talent it would seem and adding a all-star italian youth product could make sure that the team knows where it comes from and doesn't take too much of an inter approach.
- We have the potential of having both pato and boriello for a long time, a feed that most european teams would sell their souls for!
I find when you look at it deeper then us hiring a whinning teen that can't find his way onto a star-studded offense, you come to realise this makes TOO MUCH SENSE........
that being said, it will never happen
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 17 2009, 10:54 PM
unfortunately he will be harder to bring over then say a santacrocce who i feel should play for the national team ahead of lettogracie
Posted by: Tennie Feb 17 2009, 11:02 PM
Wouldn't want Balotelli anywhere near Milan. He's got a really bad attitude problem both for club and country. If we're going to sack Rome, I'd prefer a Vucinic. If we're just picking Italians, I'd pick Rossi even if he's not the power forward type we all seem to agree Milan needs.
I know myself to be biased (except for Aston Villa and a couple of other odd individual players, I don't particularly like English football) but I'm surprised that so many of you are only picking EPL players as possible transfer targets.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 17 2009, 11:09 PM
tossing the bias aside, do you think that, like me he can be reborn in milan, and utterly make sense to this team?
Posted by: Tennie Feb 17 2009, 11:21 PM
My bias is against anything having to do with the EPL. Not against Balotelli.
Balotelli is one of those guys with tremendous potential and talent. But he's getting bad advice and making bad choices. If someone relatively strict like Mourinho can't get him to behave, I don't see how he'll do much better (and could do worse) at Milan. Then there are his NT antics -- for the recent U21 internationals, Balotelli was called up. He went out partying at Hollywood (the cool nightspot in milan) til 4am. And slept through his alarm, missing the U21 team flight to Trieste. He had to drive himself there and explain himself to Casiraghi, who was not at all amused.
So in short...no. Unless he himself changes, I don't think Balotelli would be a good option no matter how talented he is. One thing Milan has traditionally had is a strife-free dressing room. Don't want to see that change.
Posted by: Rivaldo Feb 17 2009, 11:22 PM
Russian league starts in March...and last season he was great as always...and he was gewat in Euro 2008. So solid, talanted and so young keeper.
We have georgian, ucrainian,,,why we can't buy russian?))
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 17 2009, 11:43 PM
Balotelli is one of those guys with tremendous potential and talent. But he's getting bad advice and making bad choices. If someone relatively strict like Mourinho can't get him to behave, I don't see how he'll do much better (and could do worse) at Milan. Then there are his NT antics -- for the recent U21 internationals, Balotelli was called up. He went out partying at Hollywood (the cool nightspot in milan) til 4am. And slept through his alarm, missing the U21 team flight to Trieste. He had to drive himself there and explain himself to Casiraghi, who was not at all amused.
So in short...no. Unless he himself changes, I don't think Balotelli would be a good option no matter how talented he is. One thing Milan has traditionally had is a strife-free dressing room. Don't want to see that change.
i guess your right i always thought he "behavior was in result to not playing i didn't know he was hit by the Brazilian Curse:S
Posted by: Habitant Feb 17 2009, 11:58 PM
We have georgian, ucrainian,,,why we can't buy russian?))
non-eu
but akinfeev is my no.1 choice for goal.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 18 2009, 12:02 AM
i heard that he is very overatted and have not found alot on him... he is worth the hype?
Posted by: Tennie Feb 18 2009, 12:07 AM
Akinfeev would be my non-EU keeper option (for an EU keeper, my pick would be Leverkusen's Adler). I think Akinfeev is quite good, personally. Thing is, I suspect CSKA is going to ask a fortune for him.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 18 2009, 12:16 AM
my dream goalie would be Amelia
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 18 2009, 12:17 AM
Because they're not Brazilian!
I really like Akinfeev. I think he proved his talent in the Euros. he has a nice style, is good-looking, and last but not least, has a great goalkeeper's name
"Akinfeev"... I really hope we sign him when Dida and Kalac leave. I think our attacking game is fine we can score plenty of goals with the players we have.Inter put on their best defensive performance with a full strength squad and we still managed to break them down numerous times,without Kaka.
Borriello might not be worlds best striker and probably never will be,but honestly we don't need one.We just need his characteristics as a partner for Pato.
Watch the goal we scored against Inter,look at what Inzaghi did,he took away 3 of Inters defenders simply by being there,giving Pato loads of space.That's all we need Borriello to do and of course he's completely capable of knocking a few in once in a while and could be someone to aim for apart from Ambro in freekicks so that's all fine.
What we absolutely mustn't do is let Borriello play up there on his own like vs Atalanta,he was missing alot of routine finishes but gave Kaka an assist in the end to redeem himself.On his own our attack is definitely weaker.
So my point there is we don't have attacking problems and we shouldn't waste resources on that department.Our midfield although aging are fine too along with our wingbacks Antonini and Mattioni coming through.OH btw i just realized Mattioni has only played 1 season of professional football ALTOGETHER lol!!...Our scouts must've seen something special in him.
So we just need 1 quality Center Back.
If we go for experience Lucio would be my pick.Now i know he's gonna be 31 when he signs etc..But he has decent physique he'll give us a good 4 - 5 seasons and he won't need time to adapt with Thiago Silva because they're training together with Brazil and wouldn't be too expensive,he'd be keen on joining too since apparently Bayern aren't playing him.By time Lucio is done,or nearly done with his career,Darmian would be old enough and experienced enough to take over and partner Thiago Silva.
I've always envisioned Lucio in a Milan shirt,he's got great character,personable etc...above all solid defender i reckon he'll fit in really well.
Except for the last part, agreed with everything.
It'd be kinda embarrassing and uncomfortable if Lucio came (having too many Brazilians-wise). there has to be other options, right? I think if we manage to sign Mexes, we'll be fine. Mexes, Thiago, Bonera, probably Nesta, Darmian and Kaladze as the 6th choice CB should be enough!
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 18 2009, 12:30 AM
why are we talking about goalies lol
Abbiati love him or hate him has been in Great From recently
he's backup is arguably one of the most accomplished keepers in history in Dida
and behind THAT lays a man that could be confused for air traffic control tower
Posted by: elcordobez Feb 18 2009, 01:58 AM
It'd be kinda embarrassing and uncomfortable if Lucio came (having too many Brazilians-wise). there has to be other options, right? I think if we manage to sign Mexes, we'll be fine. Mexes, Thiago, Bonera, probably Nesta, Darmian and Kaladze as the 6th choice CB should be enough!
Yeh i dunno he just seemed the most likely and could do the job fairly reliably.
Mexes,Chiellini,Ramos,Vidic etc...would all be better but we have a slim chance of getting them if any.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 18 2009, 05:29 AM
Out of them Mexes is the most affordable. I don't see Man U breaking the best defensive pairing of the season for 20 million. Ramos is Madrid's attempt at the next Hierro. Chiellini..for obvious reasons. Secco is silly, but only by that much. Chiellini would be a long courtship, and he'd have to leave on a free/not renew his contract for us to get him.
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 18 2009, 06:03 AM
Abbiati love him or hate him has been in Great From recently
he's backup is arguably one of the most accomplished keepers in history in Dida
and behind THAT lays a man that could be confused for air traffic control tower
Nice.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 18 2009, 06:29 AM
The air traffic control tower gets decommisioned this season I think. Along with Fiori. Not certain though...
Sacchi is in the news at tribal...
Reflecting on their derby defeat to Inter, Sacchi snapped: "At Milan I have many friends, but I believe that the coaching at the Rossonera has proven to be incomplete and unfinished.
"The squad is not a perfect mix, it has too many duplicates, it is not balanced and this is not tactically good.
"They have so many problems that can be resolved only when the club targets their technical faults."
I have to say I kinda agree with him. Milan really lacks someone with some tactical knowledge in club management. Can we get him back, into some kind of advisory position.?
Leonardo is great at picking talent, and Carlo is great at playing with what he's got, and keeping people happy. But we need someone like Sacchi as director who can really build a great team. It's the secret of Napoli's success for one. But I don't know if Mr.B wants to have Sacchi back after they fell apart.
Carlo's not getting any input with Tassotti as an assistant coach. Probably just a helping hand.
Posted by: acid911 Feb 18 2009, 09:23 AM
Abbiati love him or hate him has been in Great From recently
he's backup is arguably one of the most accomplished keepers in history in Dida
and behind THAT lays a man that could be confused for air traffic control tower
Boy, I like you already!
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 18 2009, 09:44 AM
Mexes,Chiellini,Ramos,Vidic etc...would all be better but we have a slim chance of getting them if any.
Lucio is obviously a great defender. had we not signed Thiago and Mattioni, I would've been all for him; but imagine a Milan with 8-9 Brazilians... that's ridiculous!
That however doesn't mean I think Milan won't move for him in the summer! I see him as a very likely signing to tell the truth!
If it were up to me I'd replace Kaladze with Santacroce and bring Mexes [to fill Maldini/Nesta's empty place]... but as far as Galliani is concerned, that's fantacalcio.
Reports emanating from Italy suggest that the Rossoneri have beaten Inter and Juve to the signature of the Danish international, who has reportedly undergone a medical.
According to Turin-based daily Tuttosport, Milan are very close to getting their hands on Liverpool central defender Daniel Agger.
It is suggested that the 24-year-old has already undergone a medical with the Diavoli, who are now confident of adding him to their ranks next term.
Agger, whose deal with the Reds is set to expire in 2010, has been on the fringes of the Premier League giants’ squad this season and had voiced his disappointment at the situation over the last few weeks.
Inter and Juventus were also said to be keen on his services but Tuttosport alleges that the clandestine medical with Milan took place either on Sunday or Monday.
The Rossoneri could now have an all-new defensive line-up next season with Agger partnering Brazilian stopper Thiago Silva, who signed from Fluminense last month.
Vince Masiello, Goal.com
He has already undergone a medical?!...
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 18 2009, 10:08 AM
Carlo's not getting any input with Tassotti as an assistant coach. Probably just a helping hand.
Don't know. Maybe Maldini? Or Capello after 2010? I'm not sure what Tassotti's job really is, so I can't say anything. Sacchi had some medical problems, that's why he dropped out from coaching. But he was at Parma and Real..so probably he could do it for Milan as well.
What does he mean with "too many duplicates"?
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 18 2009, 10:11 AM
I'm not sure Lucio is "that" great. All we see of him is some Bundesliga action and that's it. Oh yes, and CL. Not sure, not sure...also, he's 30 years old.
Posted by: dst Feb 18 2009, 10:20 AM
That's probably bull but who knows knows? So... Agger and Silva will be our pairing. Agger is solid and Silva looks so too. It seems like a good duo... I just wish they were Italian.
Too many players with similar (not identical) capabilities is what I understand. Our midfield surely has that problem.
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 18 2009, 10:26 AM
National team. CL. Bundesliga.
Great is a relative word anyway. Lucio is great. Nesta is great too. Nesta is 2 times better than Lucio [IMO].
Posted by: acid911 Feb 18 2009, 12:08 PM
Thank you!
Just because someone is not Italian doesn't mean he sucks. Or can't be as good as them. Sure guys like Maldini and Nesta are born once in a lifetime. But I fail to see why a 30-year-old Lucio can be termed not great, while a 35-year-old Panucci is. The one can give us a good half decade, while the other 2 years at best. Yes, the later has Serie A experience, which Lucio lacks, but a quality defender is a quality defender is a quality defender.Nationality does not a great player make, be it Italian, Brazilian or English.
Posted by: acid911 Feb 18 2009, 12:12 PM
Probably not.
He will stay attached in some capacity but I don't think as a coach or director. Personal opinion, of course. IF he retires this season, then yeah, he's pretty much want a bit of a rest first.
Posted by: Tennie Feb 18 2009, 12:15 PM
So Tuttomercatoweb is reporting that Milan want Eto'o.
Posted by: acid911 Feb 18 2009, 12:24 PM
He is neither a man, nor a woman, but you sure guessed right about the funniest part!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 18 2009, 12:39 PM
Why do we have to stuck with our transfer objectives? I don't wanna see a Barca 06 reunion! Plus the man is ideal for a new Milan Lab product.
Of course, a Pato-Eto'o pair would be tempting but no thanks.
IMO Panucci (prime) is better then Lucio (prime) and that has nothing to do with nationalities. I don't rate Lucio that high. Ask LaPalma...
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 18 2009, 12:41 PM
Eto'o is probably a better sole striker than Pato. He's an upgraded Anelka in every respect including attitude. But I don't want him here now. It would be just more of the same.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 18 2009, 12:44 PM
Now I understand Sacchi. Duplication.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 18 2009, 12:47 PM
Precisement. I was gonna quote Sacchi there, but since I had already posted the original link, I figured it would be 'duplication' again.
This is what Sacchi meant, when he talks of balance etc. What you need is someone who can bring something different to the table. Not someone who can do the same thing with an extra 10% for 2 times the cost.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 18 2009, 12:51 PM
That's why I rate Beckham...
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 18 2009, 12:53 PM
He has been a transfer masterstroke without any question. I think his performances mean, we might have earned even more money than we thought we would from his jersey sales.
Posted by: Rivaldo Feb 18 2009, 01:54 PM
Last summer I wanted him....not Dinho
Just watch some games....
He was last year 8th world best young player....in Russia he is really named 'New Yashin'(I'm not sure that I wrote it correctly, but sure you know who was Lev Yashin...)
Posted by: acid911 Feb 18 2009, 02:06 PM
Yashin = Number one!
Everybody knows Lev Yashin!
Posted by: Tennie Feb 18 2009, 02:08 PM
Wow, Rivaldo. That's quite a compliment to Akinfeev!
Posted by: Rivaldo Feb 18 2009, 02:18 PM
Yep, I think so. His debut with CSKA was at age of 17(!) and with Russia - 18(!). Now he is only 22....
But this is only dream...with him we might forget about goalie for 10 years...but I can remember Galliani or Braida said smth like that - 'Akinfeev great keeper, but he is small for Milan. We are looing high keepers'.
Huh....
P.S. in Russia I support Zenit)) but Akinfeev and Zhirkov from CSKA both might be great trasfer for each top club in Europe....
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 18 2009, 02:31 PM
I think they said that about Boruc...not sure though...
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 18 2009, 02:35 PM
Gee, I'd really like we'd had a german keeper. Give us Enke, Adler, Neuer...so many good choices.
But with Dida-Abbiati we don't need one. Summer will be a defender shopping...
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 18 2009, 02:37 PM
Nationality does not a great player make, be it Italian, Brazilian or English.
our only agenda is not to have an Inter approach to la Serie A as they present literally nothing for the nation team.
sarcasm? if not thanks i guess lol
Posted by: dst Feb 18 2009, 02:39 PM
could you repeat that please?
Ah Eto'o I really like him... especially after his 'Madrid cabron saluda e campeon' chant! But that's cause he's not a Milan player. If he was here and said something similar about inter, I'd hate him.
Great player, gives me a bad vibe, do not like his character I wish I'll never see him in a Milan jersey! Get Villa instead! In any case, I still believe in the KaPaRo so a top forward is not a priority. Borriello won't be so unlucky again so for now I'd only get a player instead of a sheva.
Really... if we're going for a top forward I think someone will go and I guess that would be Kaka.
I don't think we need a goalie either.
Milan's summer signings will be Henry, Panucci and Materazzi.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 18 2009, 02:41 PM
Ah Eto'o I really like him... especially after his 'Madrid cabron saluda e campeon' chant! But that's cause he's not a Milan player. If he was here and said something similar about inter, I'd hate him.
Great player, gives me a bad vibe, do not like his character I wish I'll never see him in a Milan jersey! Get Villa instead! In any case, I still believe in the KaPaRo so a top forward is not a priority. Borriello won't be so unlucky again so for now I'd only get a player instead of a sheva.
Really... if we're going for a top forward I think someone will go and I guess that would be Kaka.
+1
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 18 2009, 02:47 PM
I may come under fire here, but i really don't want eto'o here, not from a talent stand point. but rather a financial one, Eto'o has been quoted many times as wanting to be one of the best payed players in the world and i would hate my life if milan over payed for yet another phenomenal player who will only be able to give us a few years. Every need we have for him we can trace back to Pippo, i find them to be both of the same mold of players. if i have said this before i have said it a million times, the answer, if such a person exists, is a re-dedicated Balotelli. And for all of you who are quick to laugh i wrote a post and a half in this thread talking about how much sense it would make.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 18 2009, 02:49 PM
Matrix? Oh we never ever will sink that low...
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 18 2009, 02:53 PM
Eto'o was almost a nobody at 19
Posted by: acid911 Feb 18 2009, 02:53 PM
That I agree with, but saying too many Brazilians is not the same as saying we have too many foreigners. That borders racism, if you ask me, because well we have had great foreign players in the past, far too many great players.
That and, well, if they are good players, and will help us win, they're welcome - no matter if they're from Brazil or Bolivia, France or Mongolia, Arctic or Antarctic. Hehe.Sure I want an Italian core, but the only Italians I'd be interested in are Azurri NT players (or on the fringes, in case of young ones). Don't get me wrong. If we can approach/afford an Italian the same caliber of a foriegn player, then by all means go for him. The club was founded by a British, for Pete's sake.
Of course not.
Dida is my absolute favorite player, and beside it was a good post you made!Yes, the later has Serie A experience, which Lucio lacks, but a quality defender is a quality defender is a quality defender.
True, I second that. But rumor has it that we'll be getting a young Brazilian keeper, most probably.
He signed for us last year, and was allowed to stay in Brazil for one year. Could very well be revealed this summer.And you'll find me dead in my apartment if that happens!
Posted by: Tennie Feb 18 2009, 02:57 PM
Oops. Guess you might consider me a racist then, because I do think MIlan has too many foreign players.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 18 2009, 03:02 PM
DO ME HARD!!!
i love Dida in a big way and feel that no dida = no golden age!!!!!
it may just be that i don't get to watch a lot of games, it may also be that I'm a younger fan (18) but to this day i have never seen a more dominant keeper then dida in my life, even bouffon always came second to Dida in my eyes just look at the penalties if you think I'm crazy : Bouffon was guessing, Dida seemed to know where the ball was going!
you might find galliani in the same position if this happens
(PS not a death threat).....mearly a suggestion lol
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 18 2009, 03:02 PM
I think he meant saying 'too many [a certain nation's players]' is racism...
Posted by: acid911 Feb 18 2009, 03:03 PM
I hate myself for saying this, but Pato could be anything by the time he gets to Eto'o's (ah the irony of spoiling the English languge) age.
There is still a long time for the kid to improve, and heavens forbid he may lose track as a player. At this time Eto is a more complete striker than Pato (he has more experience, and is at the peak of his career), while Pato has to learn. Ten years from now? Pato may very well be twice the striker Eto ever was.Provided things go right, which I'm sure they will.
A.M.E.N.
+1. Good post!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 18 2009, 03:07 PM
Let's put the racism issue aside, were here to discuss football not judge delicate moral issues.
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 18 2009, 03:13 PM
There is still a long time for the kid to improve, and heavens forbid he may lose track as a player. At this time Eto is a more complete striker than Pato (he has more experience, and is at the peak of his career), while Pato has to learn. Ten years from now? Pato may very well be twice the striker Eto ever was.Bringing Eto'o means taking Pato's chance to become a great player. what we need is not another Pato type striker like Eto'o. we need a BIG, aerial monster!
As for Pato, I have faith that he will become one of best strikers of his time, regardless of the club he's playing for. there's no losing track for him. he has already showed he has character and if, for whatever reason, he doesn't reach that level at Milan [though very unlikely], he will do it an another club.
Remember my words....
Then we have to stop "too many Brazilians" comments too.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 18 2009, 03:15 PM
That leads us back to Drogba...
Why so?
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 18 2009, 03:15 PM
hmm it is a thin tightrope to walk on but. as a stated before, i don't mind imports, but i will that you owe something to your league to do two things, for milan anyways, Using our buying power (not only financial but also in reputation) to attract some of the worlds best players in the will to have them stay for a long time (maldini, pato (fingers crossed)) and also we owe i to the Serie A to develop our own players and actually be proactive with it. Look at barca's youth team and tell me there are not 3-4 players there with little to no experience that can draw 20+mil offers. So no while i don't find it racist if the person's thought goes along these lines. I hate to do this (not really
) but to plug one of my songs i wrote on racism and i guess the best bar that could be plugged here would be "Hate is the inability to deal with anger"© .
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 18 2009, 03:16 PM
lol ok i agree with Pippo simone and zeddy, sorry i was writting at the time you guys posted that :S
Posted by: Tennie Feb 18 2009, 03:18 PM
I think there are too many Brazilians too, so I guess I'm under a double whammy.
My reasoning is much along the lines of what mtl stated: Milan should focus first on its youth academy and local players and nurture them. I have no problem with bringing in foreign stars, but when the foreign stars start outnumbering the local guys...that's when I have an issue. Not just with Milan but with any club.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 18 2009, 03:24 PM
^^ +1
Posted by: acid911 Feb 18 2009, 03:27 PM
i love Dida in a big way and feel that no dida = no golden age!!!!!
it may just be that i don't get to watch a lot of games, it may also be that I'm a younger fan (18) but to this day i have never seen a more dominant keeper then dida in my life, even bouffon always came second to Dida in my eyes just look at the penalties if you think I'm crazy : Bouffon was guessing, Dida seemed to know where the ball was going!
Whoa!
It's almost like I made the above post myself. Dida for me has been the most talented keeper in the last decade or so. Extreme reflexes, intuition, sixth sense, impossible saves. Plus, for me the best PK stopper. On a good day, no keeper in the world can touch Dida. There are just a couple of Dida fans here in the forum, me, Miz and - if he's in the mood - R7.So it's nice to have another one in you! Hehe.
(PS not a death threat).....mearly a suggestion lol
Hehe.
I think the same. The keyword being foreign players.
What if we had 9 German players, or 8 Frenchman, 11 Dutch nationals? It'll be the same, it'll be wrong, but as things stand it just happens to be we have a large number of Brazilians (some of which are about to retire, leave).Too many foreign players, yes, but let's not segregate players based on their home nation!
Bingo!
Because we shouldn't judge players based on which passport they have. That's so.
Sure they are foreigners, and we should keep a check on them for the sake of the league, but comments like 'Oh, no he's a Brazilian, we don't need him even though he may be half decent' are pretty cheap.The Italian and non-Italian part I can understand because we're an Italian club, after all.
Agreed. I don't want Eto in Milan, either.
I want him to have the same level of success like Ronaldo, Kaka and others. I'm sure he will, just give him five more years, and he'll be a name to reckon with on the stage of world football.
Okey dokey, fan boy!
I will.Exactly. It's those same three Brazilians that have score 29 of our goals, that's 70%. And 6 assists.
They could very well have been Argies, English, or from Northern Tundra for all I care. Let's just call them foreigners, and let's leave it at that.
Posted by: acid911 Feb 18 2009, 03:29 PM
That's more like it.
Let's leave nationalities aside (because it's not something a particular player chose when he was born), and I also agree we have a larger than required Brazilian contingent.
Posted by: Tennie Feb 18 2009, 03:37 PM
Then we should also leave aside the mentality that players are automatically superior to others just because they're from Brazil. That's pretty biased too.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 18 2009, 03:37 PM
since i have the luxury of having actual dida fans here lol may i ask what they think of abbiati because i think he's been overachieving all year and although has been in great form, isn't as good as dida. Bias? DEFINITELY
Posted by: acid911 Feb 18 2009, 03:51 PM
Of course.
I've always praised Janks when he went on his little attacking runs, Paolo for every second he spends on the pitch, Gattuso when he wins balls, Ambro when he heads them in, and Kaladze when he doesn't make mistakes, Seedorf when he ran like hell against inter (our 2-1 win last year). Not to mention stood by Gila through thick and thin. None of them come under the samba brand umbrella, now, do they?Same way I think Amauri is one of the most overrated Brazilian I've ever seen. I blasted Kaka when he started diving at every touch, Pato when he missed that sure chance which he could have headed but kicked (or kicked but headed).
Wait for a member named MizNelson, she'll answer that.
Of course, I will too, but she's the biggest fan of Dida in these parts of the wood. In fact, she's probably a bigger fan of Dida than a thousand of us combined. LOL. I expect a very detailed answer from her, now that you've bought Abbiati up.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 18 2009, 03:55 PM
Lol i'm bias but i like to think i'm pretty objective and with abbiati playing this sharp it is hard for me to imagine Carlo giving a chance to our man Nelson
Posted by: kizo Feb 18 2009, 04:08 PM
If Agger deal goes ahead, i think we'll be ready for new season in terms of CB
We would have Agger , Silva and Hopefully Nesta as first choises
and Kala and Bonera as backups. I Think it's pretty balanced.
Posted by: gal_kenny Feb 18 2009, 05:59 PM
Oddo And Nesta Will Be Back For Milan - Galliani
Adriano Galliani has been been talking about his defence as Milan prepare to take on Werder Breman in the UEFA Cup...
It has been a question on every Milan fan’s mind for quite some time now; when is the defence going to be sorted out?
The days when the northern giants were Italy’s answer to Arsenal, grinding out 1-0 wins with the help of Franco Baresi and current coach Carlo Ancelotti, have never before seemed such a hazy memory.
Even Milan supremo Adriano Galliani has told fans on the club’s website, acmilan.com, that there is hope for a more solid campaign in the near future, despite some comings and goings that are bound to take place at the end of this term.
The most notable of which will be the retirement of the one surviving member of that gloriously miserly defence mentioned above, the captain Paolo Maldini.
Alessandro Nesta was operated on yesterday, and he has certainly been missed by his side. The former Italy international has sat out the overwhelming majority of this season, but his back problems may finally be at an end.
“The doctors tell me he [Nesta] could be back soon,” he began, “We have to decide what to do with [Philippe] Senderos and see what happens with Bayern Munich, regarding Massimo Oddo.”
It is reported that this could also be the last season for Georgian Kakha Kaladze, so Milan surely have to go shopping this summer. They do however have the promising young Brazilian Thiago Silva on their books, and Daniele Bonera should renew his contract soon
goal.com
Hope this is true!!!
Posted by: KakaIlCapitano Feb 18 2009, 06:33 PM
Everybody talking about Eto'o. He is not going to renew his contract (till 2010) so he will go for sure this summer. I read that he will come in Milan... so this will be great i think!!
Posted by: dst Feb 18 2009, 06:53 PM
You really think something like that would help Pato!?
No he won't. The season he leaves Milan will be the duck season. I'm going to kill him!
Oh my... you have no idea what you have done! You think you've seen Dida fans!? Wait till MizNelson enters here...
I would be more than excited to see him play again, I'm going to cry my heart out if I see my two favorite players ever retire in the same season.
!??
what's there to decide?Yeah right. If only.
Posted by: Habitant Feb 19 2009, 12:41 AM
what's there to decide?this is fester were talking about
arsenal could mail us one of wenger's turds and galliani would hold a press conference as to whether we should find a use for it.
Posted by: Tennie Feb 19 2009, 01:22 AM
Fishdoll +1 cookie to Habitant. Good one.
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 19 2009, 02:10 AM
Of course, I will too, but she's the biggest fan of Dida in these parts of the wood. In fact, she's probably a bigger fan of Dida than a thousand of us combined. LOL. I expect a very detailed answer from her, now that you've bought Abbiati up.Oh, I will, I will. However, it'll have to wait until later tonight as I have to go back to work. See you then.
Posted by: dst Feb 19 2009, 03:26 AM
I thought that's what just happened.
Posted by: Habitant Feb 19 2009, 05:57 AM
Fishdoll +1 cookie to Habitant. Good one.
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 19 2009, 12:18 PM
You really think something like that would help Pato!?
I said help us.Not always it's the player's wish to leave Milan, you know... remember what happened in this January's transfer window.
How is his aerial abilities?... could he be that big guy Jack's been talking about?
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 19 2009, 12:48 PM
big guy i think coulkd be some one like mario gomes
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 19 2009, 01:55 PM
I think Gomez would be too expensive amd hasn't impressed me since Euros. This season hasn't been great either.
We need a target man, but not at the cost of our defence. So I've finalised my set as:
Defense:
LB:
Grosso : A little old, probably won't be too expensive. Azzuri NT. Not the best defensively, but probably a step up to Janku. Also gives a great height advantage. Free Kick/Corner Specialist (Left footed)- (31 years old)
CB:----> HIGH PRIORITY
Mexes: Experienced in Serie A. Would be a strong partner to Nesta. Good technique. Not the most consistent and has his off days. Who his partner is, would play a role I think in making his truly impassable. But can probably lead a defensive line on his own as well. Just not Nesta/Paolo standard though. Still..MY CHOICE - (26 years old)
Agger: Young. CL experience. Would have decent tactical knowledge having played with Rafa. A Viking for 10ie/kurtie to have the hots for (most important plus point). Strong in the air, can start an attack from the back, and has a great long shot. But with Thiago Silva, might be too youthful? Looks the most likely to join Milan.
Kolo Touré: Oldest of the lot. Pana's favourite. Fast, powerful, good shot. Could be friends with Flamini as well. We know he plays great alongside Senderos. Might improve Phillipe's play. Arsenal fan favourite. Had a transfer request turned down by the club. Would require tapping up/ exorbitant fee. Locke would hate us. (Most important downside). Pana would stop feeling love for Seedorf. (Second important downside)- (28 years old)
Midfield:
Kuffkuff (so that acid's happy ): Would demand new formation and tactics. Prolly a 4-2-3-1 if he was in, with 2 DMs . We already own his contract. He knows the working of the club and the players. Has got his confidence back. Best technique amongst all the candidates. Not the best defensively. Might require certain promises, so that we don't screw his career twice. -(22 years old)
Lucho Gonzalez: Tall and good in the air, can also take over from Pirlo/Becks and play in the deep three. Good defensively. My personal favourite tactically. Downside is he's Argentine. But we HAVE played Redondo so...MY CHOICE (28 years old)
Veloso: More of a defensive mid, kinda like Flamini, but will probably go to Arsenal anyway. I think a replacement to Ambro eventually if we get him. (22 years old)
Moutinho: Short kid (downside), but intelligent and imo is the best Seedorf replacement around. But I WILL grant that the 'next Rui' sobriquet has gotten me biased a bit. (22 years old)
<I guess I just miss a Portuguese mid-fielder in the line-up. Same as a Dutch striker. >
Forwards:
<Mostly target men except the first>
Benzema: HUGE talent. Foremost young striker around (who plays for a lesser club). Has said he would prefer one of Milan, Inter, Barca, Madrid. Would build a French base so Kuffkuff and Flamini can have a crêpe
party. Is probably a better choice than Eto'o if we want someone who's technical AND can play as sole striker due to age and physical condition.Plays well on the right side. Decent in the air. Salivating to think of a KaPaRoBen (). Would be sh!t f@ckin expensive! Prefers La Liga. Any club who wanted to purchase him currently would need to clear the current lineup to make space. My money's on Milan dropping Benzema's purchase and instead getting the bloke who the other big club puts for sale (Henry/Adriano/Eto'o/Balotelli/Ruud)- (21 years old)
All of the following might cause Borriello to sulk:
Iaquinta: Strong in the air. Decent finisher. Serie A experience. Italian national. Can play on the wings. Not the most technically proficient. Plays for a direct rival, so buying him will either be expensive or impossible. (29 years old)
Zigić: HUGE. I mean HUGE!!! 6ft 8 f@ckin inches. Would looove to see him play alongside Pato/Pippo, just for visual entertainment. Takes long shots, holds up the ball. With Pirlo, Becks, R80 behind him popping in crosses, he would have a party. In good form currently for Santander. No Serie A experience. No BIG club experience. Might not play as well, if he was meant to be a tool for KAka/Ronnie to score-like with Gila. Valencia player, would be the cheapest of the lot to buy. Would be the Senderos equivalent of the strikers. (28 years old)
Drogba: Nothing to say really. 31 years old. Loves Mourinho, but one heck of player. Would also have fun with all the long balls. Expensive. Most expensive after Benzema. (30 years old)
Please note, these are not really the BEST of the BEST. But the ones who we can conceivably land with a straighforward offer.
I would think a total transfer budget of 25 million would cover it. Less if Oddo is let go.
I'm assuming we lose the following players:
Paolo, Favster,Emerson.
Not sure about Senderos and Sheva.
Posted by: dst Feb 19 2009, 02:14 PM
You surely have the biggest post/words ration in this forum!
Kolo Toure (Agger, Santacroce would be satisfying too) and a LB (haven't thought of it thoroughly yet) for the defense, Gourcuff to replace Seedorf (I'm sure he can play there and do great too) and KaPaRo for the attack!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 19 2009, 02:32 PM
I know! Which is why I smirk at kurt's post count. I'm the Berbatov to his Bellamy.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Feb 19 2009, 03:01 PM
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 19 2009, 03:01 PM
Note that Gomez's form is back on track and he's started to score like last year. In fact since Babbel took over Stuttgart and him imporved even.
I agree on most options Jack posted. Not sure about Lucho and Žigić, are they really Milan-acceptable? Didn't see both play for about 2 years, so I can't judge on them..
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 19 2009, 04:21 PM
Zigic...no way. He's no Drogba..not even close. But you can see what not having Borriello is doing to us. Having Zigic on the pitch, simply would force a change in tactics. Especially against teams like Reggina. They can no longer close down and kick Pato.
It's not like I expect him to take on Inter in the derby and score a hat-trick.
Lucho is untried. But he's pretty good on the pitch, and I think he would adapt the best. In any case, I don't think the mid-field and the strikers require people who are first XI. Anything to avoid the situation against Bremen - a bench full of defenders.
Didn't know about Gomez. His wiki stats weren't flattering. Even then with the cost involved he would HAVE to play. And I don't want to shut Marco out, just yet.
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 20 2009, 01:02 PM
The Brazilian trainee coach is getting ready for an adventure with Milan if Ancelotti is shown the door...
Milan's poor result in Germany against Werder Bremen in the UEFA Cup left chief Silvio Berlusconi fuming, leading to speculation that there could be some managerial changes at the club.
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/SerieA/Squadre/Milan/Primo_Piano/2009/02/20/Leonardo.shtml that Carlo Ancelotti could be replaced by Leonardo at the end of term if he fails to bring a trophy to the club this season. The Rossoneri seem off course for the Scudetto and they are out of the Coppa Italia. Wednesday's 1-1 draw against Bremen led to new questions over their UEFA Cup chances and there is an air of tension at Milanello.
Berlusconi hit out at the team on Thursday, and reports suggest he is becoming fed up of pouring cash into the club and seeing no reward for it.
Leonardo is currently studying for his coaching badges and he has always stayed close to the club he once played for since hanging up his boots. Another season with no silverware is unimaginable at San Siro.
The finger of blame is being pointed towards the coach. Ancelotti has always stated that he would like to coach another team and his wish may come sooner than expected. Reports suggest a number of major clubs are keen on the Italian tactician and he will not be short of offers if he does leave.
Ancelotti will need to turn things around swiftly. With an 11 point gap between his side and Inter, the Scudetto seems gone. The coach’s job seems to be hanging on the UEFA Cup. Failure in that competition could see the axe fall on the former Juventus man.
I'm not sure Leonardo is the right man... he has no experience at all and looks like a very light person. the last thing this team needs, is a light and inexperienced coach. we need a Mourinho-like disciplinarian. Costacurta looks like the one, but he has no significant experience either... Rijkaard is light too, but at least he has enough experienced, and I think he's got balls to change some things within the team. play the youngsters, bench those who are not good enough anymore or don't give their all (hell, he benched the mighty Dinho at Barca).
Who will eventually replace Carlo doesn't matter right now. the question is, will he be given yet another chance if we finish the season empty handed? (it's very likely considering we're out of the Scudetto race, out of Coppa, and who knows, we could soon be out of UEFA too). can anyone see that happening?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 20 2009, 02:29 PM
I think, and this might piss a lot of people off, that provided we retain CL spot, Carlo will be allowed to see off his contract in its last season. Then either he goes off coaching NTs or he gets pushed into television.
As substitute for Carlo, I'd made a monster post earlier, but I don't know who it will be. It looks very early now to say. I doubt Leonardo would come in. He's very good at his job here at Milan, and at the same time to be a better coach would require to be farmed out somewhere.
I really like MvB, coz he's a coach who's both a disciplinarian and plays good football. The trouble is he's very inexperienced and of course won't come into a team with Seedorf.
If we can appoint Sacchi as director of football, I'd like Juande Ramos. Ramos is a great coach, and Sacchi has Spanish and Italian experience, so he can be the perfect conduit.
But it looks for now like it will be Rijkaard. Anyone know what he's been upto. I mean Mancini has been studying. But what of Frankie? Did he up his coaching know how?
Posted by: dst Feb 20 2009, 02:47 PM
Or MvB comes and Seedorf goes then we're all happy. Well, you are not happy but you have rum to comfort you!
Posted by: Tennie Feb 20 2009, 03:11 PM
But Fishdoll has stolen the rum.
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 20 2009, 03:59 PM
You talk as if Seedorf is a 25yo boy who we are going to build our future around
he will be 33 in two months!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 20 2009, 05:44 PM
I for sure won't. I mean - Holland '06 sucked, Holland '08 surprised but got eliminated because of inexperienced tactic's, the Ajax '09 sucked. Is this a Milan-worthy curriculum? Hell, I'd even be happier with Donadoni, and when I say does words, you know it's 10 past 12...
Think it could be Leonardo, and the only thing that speaks in favor is the brazilian contingent - maybe he "looks like a soft guy" but in fact he's liked in Brazil and I think would know how to deal with stars from SA, which we are, satified or not, full of.
Posted by: dst Feb 20 2009, 08:39 PM
I would not be happy either, it was just a matter of speech. Curriculum? I think we're too obsessed about that... Carletto had done nothing worth speaking of before coming to Milan either. The same for Capello and Sacchi.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 20 2009, 08:42 PM
2nd with Parma? ***.-coach to Sacchi at World Cup?
Posted by: dst Feb 20 2009, 09:01 PM
*** is... ?
Okay so he finished second. So has Spalletti a couple of times and I don't think you want him in Milan that much. Then there's also Capello and Carletto. The first a nobody (as a coach) when he joined us and the second a flop.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 20 2009, 09:19 PM
Okay so he finished second. So has Spalletti a couple of times and I don't think you want him in Milan that much. Then there's also Capello and Carletto. The first a nobody (as a coach) when he joined us and the second a flop.
Haha..
I was lazy to write assistant coach but my short version was automatically recognized like a "mean word".
Anyway, note that Ancelotti's Parma was a "smaller" team then Roma. But anyway, yes, both were unproven. But MvB isn't unproven, more that his "curriculum" bolds out the word - fail, as much as I liked it otherwise.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 20 2009, 11:48 PM
Goal.com says Benzema is between us and Inter
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 20 2009, 11:55 PM
a report after that said it between real ,barca, manu and chelsea
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 21 2009, 12:13 AM
another report said barca's out
Posted by: acid911 Feb 21 2009, 12:28 AM
Oh God, let him come here! Him or Gomez. Or anyone younger than 30 for that matter!
Posted by: dst Feb 21 2009, 01:55 AM
Oh these reports are just so accurate... So the big teams are interested in one of the hottest young players in Europe? wow... and Spanish newspapers claim it's a fight between Barcelona and Madrid, Italian newspapers claim it's a fight between Milan and Inter while English inserts claim it's a fight between Chelsea and United. How imaginative!
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 21 2009, 05:47 AM
Of course, I will too, but she's the biggest fan of Dida in these parts of the wood. In fact, she's probably a bigger fan of Dida than a thousand of us combined. LOL. I expect a very detailed answer from her, now that you've bought Abbiati up.Took me long enough. Anyway, Abbiati is having a great season, yes. However, he's nowhere near as talented as Dida and never will be. Regrettably, I don't have much to say on the issue myself because acid covered it already http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6746&st=165&p=198600&#entry198600. I will add, however, that he seems to be doing better in small doses, which probably should have happened before he was benched last year; instead, he was regularly overworked due to inferior backups.
That being said, I am upset that his best effort this year so far was in a useless Coppa Italia match (Lazio) instead of the UEFA Cup.
Posted by: acid911 Feb 21 2009, 08:48 AM
Took you long enough, alright!
Anyway I agree with your post, Miz, particularly about this last part. He was amazing in that match, the player of old. As for Abbiati, well I think after all this years his luck has finally come back to him. He's been really lucky with the fans (he's let in lots of goals and seldom turned a match on his own, a la Cesar, for example), as well as with his form (made some rather excellent saves and stops).For the time being I think we're decent if not spectacular in the goalie department, and certainly won't be going for another GK in this transfer window. Next year, most probably. This time it'll be defense and maybe a forward.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 21 2009, 09:22 AM
Agree. But then again, Abbiati's career has always been like that, unexpected up's and down's. He benched Seb Rossi, the Seb Rossi from Milan, never did anything "completely wrong", but somehow got pushed aside by Dida, who ****up against Leeds, so Abbiati returned, and then after a while (season or so) Dida took over again...
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 21 2009, 09:29 AM
So the big teams are interested in one of the hottest young players in Europe? wow... and Spanish newspapers claim it's a fight between Barcelona and Madrid, Italian newspapers claim it's a fight between Milan and Inter while English inserts claim it's a fight between Chelsea and United. How imaginative!
I'm not even thinking about Benzema as a Milan target. we usually don't buy such talents at this age - when they're established and wanted by all of Europe's big teams. instead we wait until they're 31, cheap and unwanted, then we move for them. I doubt that we can economically compete with likes of Man U, Real, Barca, etc. anyway...
That said, something tells me Galliani and co. will move for Adebayor sooner or later.
Posted by: acid911 Feb 21 2009, 09:40 AM
True.
For me Abbiati has always been one step out of the big league. In his club career as well as with the NT. More talented than someone as Kalac, miles ahead of James/Gomes - just shy of the top spot. That makes him a very good 2nd choice in any club, actually, not just Milan. That's why I said he's finally got his luck back. Am I a fan? No way! Far from it. But I'd rather have Abbiati in our squad than that of any other club.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no!
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 21 2009, 11:02 AM
i dont like adebeyour myself but tactically he is the sort of player we need
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 21 2009, 11:16 AM
Dida was given the starting spot over Rossi by Zaccheroni after Abbiati was called up for the 2000 Olympics. He was benched again when Abs returned.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 21 2009, 11:18 AM
Really? Was it immediatly? I always somehow related Dida's benching with the Leeds match..
Posted by: acid911 Feb 21 2009, 11:59 AM
He's the sort we need, not the quality, not the class!
And why are we only looking at Arsenal or Barca for our needs? Surely there are other clubs, there are other players, other talents. Better options. Maybe once he proves himself for a longer period of time (when he's around 28 or something), but surely not now.If it's a big and burly fellow we need, go hunting in Germany and get a random tall, but talented player. Cheaper.
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 21 2009, 12:23 PM
The Leeds match definitely was a factor in his going back to the bench when Abs returned. Dida's first match in a Milan shirt was also in the CL, a 4-1 win over Besiktas a week before Leeds. He put in a strong performance in a 2-0 win over Barcelona the week after Leeds. Then Abs came back, and you know the rest.
Had he not screwed up that night, it might've changed history. But then over the course of this decade, he went on to win everything with Milan while Leeds slowly swirled down the toilet of English football and are barely staying afloat nowadays.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 21 2009, 01:40 PM
And why are we only looking at Arsenal or Barca for our needs? Surely there are other clubs, there are other players, other talents. Better options. Maybe once he proves himself for a longer period of time (when he's around 28 or something), but surely not now.If it's a big and burly fellow we need, go hunting in Germany and get a random tall, but talented player. Cheaper.
well in that case i would not go to germany i would stay in italy for someone like Quagliarella, bianchi, Floccari, pazzini for the in box stiker
Posted by: acid911 Feb 21 2009, 01:57 PM
Suit yourself.
Anyone but one-or-two-season wonders!
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 21 2009, 02:01 PM
I think none of them are exactly what we need. maybe Pazzini and Bianchi, but neither look like a Milan-level striker anyway. (I don't know anything about Floccari and am not talking about him)
Toni, Iaquinta, Drogba and Adebayor (and from those we can't have, Zlatan and Adriano)... those are the closest to what we need.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 21 2009, 02:03 PM
Anyone but one-or-two-season wonders!nahi yaar Quagliarella is quite good has been for quite some time
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 21 2009, 02:09 PM
Isn't Quag more or less in the mold of Pato? (in other words, he's not a target man with great aerial ability, is he? he's one with good technique, more capable on the ground than in the air). if we're going for such a striker, I'd rather have G.Rossi. he looks much more promising to me.
Posted by: acid911 Feb 21 2009, 02:21 PM
Haan yaar, magar woh uss tarah ka player nahi jo hamain chahiyay.
In simpler terms, he's not exactly the type of player we need. Even though I rate him very highly, and have done so for the past few years. But I'd rather save the money and get Paloschi back, because frankly we need a 6-2" to 6-4" guy up there, that can both run with the ball, and also keep it when he's given one.
Such a presence could very well free up space for our other attackers. Bottom line: We need a slightly younger Drogba.
Posted by: LaPalma Feb 21 2009, 02:26 PM
How about Bochums Christoph Dabrowski, he's my favorite Bundesliga player, he's a tall (1.95m) midfielder who scores great goals from time to time (in this season he already scored 6).
Nah, seriously. Good strikers in the Buli? There's Gomez of course (my favorite German striker) and there's also Leverkusens Patrick Helmes. The latter is a formidable target man and has been in great form since he joined Leverkusen last summer. If you simply want someone who's tall, Leverkusens Stefan Kießling is your man...but he's more the working kinda striker...not the one who scores many goals (this is, seriously, no offense).
Posted by: Tennie Feb 21 2009, 03:36 PM
Factoid: Helmes put two past Hoffenheim's keeper (Timo Hildebrand) last weekend. Nicely taken goals too.
That said, if we only get to pick one player from Leverkusen, I'm still picking Adler first.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 21 2009, 03:49 PM
That said, if we only get to pick one player from Leverkusen, I'm still picking Adler first.
yea but u know keeper is not main priority
Posted by: Tennie Feb 21 2009, 03:52 PM
Right. Sorry, forgot I'm not supposed to have any opinions here.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 21 2009, 04:06 PM
sorry didnt mean anything like that infact agreed with ur opinion i really like rene aswell
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 21 2009, 06:10 PM
I've heard from some that Adler is a stud in the making.
Posted by: Tennie Feb 21 2009, 06:20 PM
Fishdoll sorries for snapping at CMF and offers a cookie in apology.
And yeah, I'm a big fan of Adler. He's really quite good.
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 22 2009, 01:25 AM
adler is really good but abbiati this season has proved himself to be milan`s number 1 for a while.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 22 2009, 03:58 AM
No!
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 22 2009, 05:56 AM
I second that.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 22 2009, 06:35 AM
That makes 3 of us.
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 22 2009, 08:36 AM
lol why? who are we gonna get thats better for under 20 mil? Realistically speaking
Posted by: acid911 Feb 22 2009, 09:08 AM
4 actually.
Count me in!
Posted by: Habitant Feb 22 2009, 11:28 PM
Count me in!5
we dont need any fascists
Posted by: dst Feb 22 2009, 11:45 PM
4. I say we keep Abbiati. (does it work that way, subtracting a point for every opposite view? )
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 22 2009, 11:48 PM
we dont need any fascistsYou people rock.
Anyway, there's a bunch of Abs groupies at R&B who make me sick. For instance, they're rating him 7s today for making two saves while Dida got no more than 6 for making nearly three times as much against Bremen.
Posted by: dst Feb 23 2009, 12:19 AM
I love you too Miz! 
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 23 2009, 12:49 AM
we dont need any fascistsWell...it's not his fault. Fascism hasn't been deconstructed in Italy, so, you can't blame the common people.
But honestly, today Abbiati deserved praise. Did a very good job, in particular neutralizing those Aquafresca shots.
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 23 2009, 03:23 AM
I feel so adored here. I love it.
*pecks dst on the cheek*
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 23 2009, 04:10 AM
Does anyone consider perhaps Michele Canini from Cagliari as a CB option for Milan?
Posted by: Tennie Feb 23 2009, 04:44 AM
Yep. There was some half-serious talk about him before his injury. Now that he's recovered, I'd imagine he's in contention. The big clubs are likely going to be picking over the Sardi at the end of the season.
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 23 2009, 05:24 AM
That's the problem when you become a contender all of a sudden. It's the impending concern about other teams throwing money at you in order to pick your team apart.
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 23 2009, 07:20 AM
@miz: Problem with Dida is that he is stuck under carlo. You make one mistake and your done and unfortunately for him the celtic incident cost him the rest of his career.
But to be honest abbiati > dida.
dont hurt me... I love you miz
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 23 2009, 07:21 AM
I heard we were talking kaladze + money swap but thats out the window now.
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 23 2009, 11:35 AM
*cough* Kaladze *cough*
Posted by: LaPalma Feb 23 2009, 12:33 PM
The way I see it he wasn't forced to be a fascist by any means, thus choose that inhuman ideology by free will. We can't always be the victims of circumstances.
One mistake? I remember a dozen or so. Other coaches would have benched him long before Carletto did it.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 23 2009, 12:41 PM
Yup.
You need a dozen good performances to make it into Carlo's good books. And another dozen to make your way out. In the space of two months I think.
Dida had a miserable season and a half. Kaladze looks like he's on his way out. Judging by the way Senderos was brought in instead.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 23 2009, 07:01 PM
i really like him had he not been injured in first part of the season i think there would have been some serious interest in him from many clubs i think i will take canini over agger
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 23 2009, 07:09 PM
i'm with you on that too. Canini would dominate on our team. Agger like senderos needs .5 season to adapt.
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 23 2009, 10:27 PM
But to be honest abbiati > dida.
dont hurt me... I love you miz
I know.
Anyhoo, I wasn't talking about our team; the "picking your team apart" post I made was in reply to Tennie saying "The big clubs are likely going to be picking over the Sardi [Cagliari] at the end of the season."
Posted by: Habitant Feb 24 2009, 04:09 AM
But to be honest abbiati > dida.
dont hurt me... I love you miz
carlo gave him more than enough chances. it was 2 1/2 years of blunders and it was really time.
the only problem is we shoulda let him move a lil while ago when it was possible, i dont think it's fair for him to be glued to the bench although he does get the odd game now.
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 24 2009, 04:45 AM
the only problem is we shoulda let him move a lil while ago when it was possible, i dont think it's fair for him to be glued to the bench although he does get the odd game now.
I have to admit, I was surprised that Carlo gave the UEFA Cup reins to Dida, when he could've easily given them to Abi. I think Carlo still has a bit of a soft spot for him, due to his being a key member of our Golden Age this decade and his loyalty to Milan.
It bugs the hell out of me that some continue to insist that he's hanging around only because of his salary, while considering him to be greedy because he (allegedly) refused a buyout of his contract at the end of last season.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 24 2009, 06:25 AM
What? Really? I was really impressed and considered it a sign of loyalty that he decided not to move and instead accepted the bench.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 24 2009, 06:52 AM
The story of milan 08/09
If Ancelotti goes it's because he has (and this may come out weird, so bear with me...) Too Much loyalty towards HIS players (Kaladze, Ambrosini, favalli...)
Posted by: Habitant Feb 24 2009, 05:22 PM
ya a buyout would probably be favorable from his prespective.
i'm not sure how much he would be compensated because it's probably stated in his conract but in hockey for example is the standard buyout states that the player receives 2/3 of his remaining salary, not bad considering because often times they go and sign with another team, albeit for a reduced salary but in the end most of them time they end up making more.
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 24 2009, 05:43 PM
i'm not sure how much he would be compensated because it's probably stated in his conract but in hockey for example is the standard buyout states that the player receives 2/3 of his remaining salary, not bad considering because often times they go and sign with another team, albeit for a reduced salary but in the end most of them time they end up making more.
He gets the entire package. in case of dida i'm guessing hes expirining in 2010 or 2011 and he makes approx 80-100k a week. He'll get about 5-8 million euros compinsation.
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 24 2009, 05:47 PM
According to Sport, Florentino Perez and his team have already outlined their transfer plan for next season, in the likely event of his regaining power at Real Madrid. Iker Casillas, Sergio Ramos, Pepe, Lassana Diarra and Ruud Van Nistelrooy are the only indispensable players.
While Raul is not on that list, it does not mean that Real Madrid are intent on offloading him. They will, however, listen to any lucrative offers, with various Premiership clubs thought to be interested.
Meanwhile, Cristiano Ronaldo and Kaka remain Perez's main objectives. His main dream would be to land Lionel Messi, but at the moment it does not appear to be a realistic possibility.
Finally, it has been learnt that Jorge Valdano would resume a key role at the club, while Zinedine Zidane would take up his preferred role as a coach of one of the youth teams.
Wow if they are serious than madrid is the team to raid in the summer!
Posted by: dst Feb 24 2009, 06:04 PM
If they are serious then Madrid is the team to laugh at once again. But it's most probably bull.
Posted by: Tennie Feb 24 2009, 06:05 PM
Where'd the article (english version) come from?
Sport.es is the CATALAN (ie pro-barca) paper/website, if memory serves. So..prolly not that reliable.
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 24 2009, 06:08 PM
I know some will hate me for saying this, but if Marcelo is on the list, we should go for him. I'd rather we sell Mattioni and let Emerson go (maybe even loan Thiago so he gains some experience), but sign this kid. there aren't many potentially great left backs available and we are not well covered in that position (considering that Zambro plays in the right).
PS: don't bash me or argue that we should sign Italians. I'm just making a wish
(if it's allowed)
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 24 2009, 06:15 PM
PS: don't bash me or argue that we should sign Italians. I'm just making a wish
(if it's allowed)hell yeah! I would sell darmian, mattioni, and albertazzi just to sign marcelo. Kid has got potential to be better than r.carlos.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 24 2009, 06:15 PM
(if it's allowed)I wouldn't allow it, but I'll agree this time. Marcelo isn't bad.
Gee, Madrid should hope this isn't true. If yes...well...just another example of brilliant management, nothing new.
Posted by: dst Feb 24 2009, 06:16 PM
Marcelo is good but he's too young for Carletto.
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 24 2009, 06:18 PM
who says carletto is here next season.
Posted by: dst Feb 24 2009, 06:28 PM
Would not say that. R. Carlos is the second best LB of all times. Marcelo will probably become a good player... how good, nobody knows.
Well yeah... there's a chance he won't though I think he will. Marcelo would cost a lot in any case and they'd ask for Kaka in exchange... though Kaka might leave for Madrid in the summer anyway so maybe a swap deal (plus big money from their side of course) would be possible.
Posted by: Tennie Feb 24 2009, 06:31 PM
I'd say no to Marcelo. Not because he's Brazilian but because he's got Real cooties. That and Milan have TWO young LBs.
If Madrid were talking about letting one of hteir good CBs go, it'd be a different story.
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 24 2009, 06:31 PM
i hope your wrong about carlo and kaka to madrid.
Posted by: Habitant Feb 24 2009, 06:52 PM
no robben on that list?
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 24 2009, 06:55 PM
He's been more off then on field...
Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 24 2009, 08:47 PM
Lassana Diarra is now considered an indespensible player for a top team, what the hell? 
Posted by: whoarethepatriots Feb 24 2009, 09:58 PM
Marcelo is too weak defensively to play as a LB. He would make a fine winger, but Carlo will eat cyanide before he changes his tactical system to accommodate a specific player
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 24 2009, 11:09 PM
well we can get abate as the RW
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 25 2009, 12:22 AM
yup and in order to achieve that carlo has to be executed.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 25 2009, 02:14 AM
LOL!
LOL!
so i'm getting a vibe that 2 CL is no longer a good thing on a managers CV?
Posted by: Habitant Feb 25 2009, 04:32 AM
serginho was never good defensively either, and his natural postion was as a left winger. i dunno i'd take the risk on him if we could acquire him for a reasonable price.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 25 2009, 08:35 AM
For Marcelo to play, our CBs needs to be that darn good, and so do our DMs.
Except for Rino neither Flamini nor Ambrosini fill me with complete confidence. In any case, I think they theory of the flying wingback needs some rethinking. It's getting a bit old now.
Posted by: dst Feb 25 2009, 12:11 PM
Serginho was a Berlusconi favorite.
You have not see Flamini enough
and... it's your stupid brain that's getting old! Attacking full-backs rule the world, you've been watching a dated Zambrotta and a mediocre Jankulovski that's why you say that. One understands how important these players are when one watches Alves / Maicon play... overlapping ftw!
Posted by: Habitant Feb 25 2009, 06:12 PM
hopefully that will be delt with in the near future.
he was still very effective on the field as well, that is if ur implying the reason carlo played him cuz silvio liked him?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 25 2009, 06:45 PM
and... it's your stupid brain that's getting old! Attacking full-backs rule the world, you've been watching a dated Zambrotta and a mediocre Jankulovski that's why you say that. One understands how important these players are when one watches Alves / Maicon play... overlapping ftw! Didn't like his work when he did play. He's got energy, but he will take some time to acclimatise. After that maybe...
I didn't say the attacking full-back is outdated. I just feel, depending on fullbacks as your sole source of width is bad. For Barca, you have Messi also on the right.
In our case, we don't have anyone who can give us width on our right besides Zambrotta.
Posted by: dst Feb 25 2009, 07:23 PM
I don't think Carletto wants anyone on the side other than the fullbacks. That's what his choices show. He could have tried to play with Ronaldinho on the left and/or Kaka on the right, with Janku in midfield but Ancelotti does not want to play that way. He's playing Becks now but I'm convinced Becks was not his choice.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 25 2009, 07:41 PM
But he wanted Ribery. I doubt he meant to play Ribery on the left as well. I really really want to see R80 on the right. For some wierd reason, I think R80 and Zambrotta on the right is better than Kaka and R80 on the right. 
Posted by: dst Feb 25 2009, 07:47 PM
Ribery is not a wide-man, he does reach the sideline but that's cause he's a free-roamer. I think Ronaldinho is great on the left and that's why I believe the KaPaRo could and should work with Kaka also on the right. And Pavlyuchenko upfront. Pato who?
Posted by: Habitant Feb 25 2009, 10:27 PM
oops wrong thread
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 26 2009, 03:59 AM
Zigic..Zigic!! Hasn't all my evangelising been to any effect! Pato who?
It was good knowing you...
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 26 2009, 04:29 AM
klass yun huuuntehlaaarrr
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 26 2009, 06:09 AM
Mario Balotelli in a milan jersey teamed with pato is my wet dream....
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 26 2009, 04:33 PM
really? When theres so many better youth players lol.
bojan and pato is a dream.
Posted by: LaPalma Feb 26 2009, 05:27 PM
But Ribery is at his best when he's played on the left flank.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 26 2009, 07:08 PM
Well...thank you so much for crashlanding my flight of fancy...you German sack of sh....trawberries? (I wasn't gonna use that word, I love you too much!).
I guess then, that it was just a question of taking a player in his prime over one who would require work to fit in. Too bad he wasn't pretty enough for the management.
(P.S: Any comment about Kaladze's looks shall be responded to with another lingerie ad!)
Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 26 2009, 08:02 PM
I'm not even going to make a joke, it's just too easy..
Posted by: Tennie Feb 26 2009, 08:05 PM
Fishdoll awards 1 cookie to Kurt for his restraint.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 26 2009, 11:43 PM
bojan and pato is a dream.
i think every member here can point out better players then what we field, but where i mention the name of a disgruntled Striker that will never see the field for his team and has BOATLOADS of potential, you throw out the name of a player that arguably will never leave Barca, for financial and because he is soulbound to them.
Balotteli (09-10) in milan is very possible saying as how they would want to offload a cancer on our side. But i have faith he wants to get back into the spotlight,his name has been tainted and i think guys with those types of egos/self respect don't enjoy being called a waste of talent.
Bojan is most likely a nono, unless glliani overpays in a BIG way
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 26 2009, 11:45 PM
lol for the record it's not a jungle fever thing
Posted by: whoarethepatriots Feb 27 2009, 12:29 AM
The day Internazionale's promising young Italian Forward Balotelli joins cross town rivals and hated enemies and all round antagonists AC Milan is the day hell freezes over
Also why would Bojan want to play for a lesser team when he plays regularly for League and CL contenders Barcelona
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 27 2009, 12:55 AM
Also why would Bojan want to play for a lesser team when he plays regularly for League and CL contenders Barcelona
With al do respect, Supermario is a nuisance in that locker, mourinho doesn't like him. And they get into fights all the time, Mourinho wants a less loaded squad which means high payed players with little to no time are going out, balotteli hates playing behind 2 players just like him in Adria-hand-o and ibrahimo-not-sweedish.
Moratti is the type of guy to package a trojan horse, he will hope for our destruction in the lockrooms but he wil get burned by Patotelli!!!!
is it unlikely, yes, but fantastic none the less
Posted by: whoarethepatriots Feb 27 2009, 01:13 AM
If Balotelli disrupts Inter's locker then why would Milan (club which prides itself on locker room harmony) risk having it destroyed by Balotelli
Moratti has let players go before but they were never really achieving much. Seedorf and Pirlo was floating around, Vieri and Favalli were past their peak and freebies. He would never have even thought about selling us Ibra or Julio Cesar. I dont see why he would throw away a talented and young forward to his greatest rivals
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 27 2009, 03:54 AM
my opinion, but i think balotelli will be leaving, but on loan to another club. Def not us. Morrati is not stupid.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 27 2009, 06:49 AM
i love people who can look at
Please now enjoy twisting my words in an attempt to sound atop of the knowledge latter and criticize without suggesting anything, i really enjoy that in a poster
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