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Posted by: dst Feb 22 2007, 01:00 PM
Talk about new revelations you think might come big in the future!
Posted by: dst Feb 22 2007, 01:02 PM
I opened this thread to talk about a new teen sensation, 16 year old Panathinaikos player, called Sotiris Ninis!! His parents moved to Hellas from Albania sortly after Ninis was born and he grew up in the Hellenic, capital, Athens.
He is an old-fashioned right winger with amazing crossing abilities, vision and technique. He was voted as the best player of the week he made his debut in and his first goal came on his 4th game.
Here are some links:
http://en.uefa.com/competitions/uefacup/news/kind=1/newsid=504460.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1AmCtjtT4g Notice how he uses both his legs to control the ball and he shots with his weak left foot!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrkhFMM9IQw He does that a lot but this is the only one I found cause the ball ended on the net. It's an inch-perfect cross and on the move. I don't why but nowadays players do not practice their crossed on the move and you rarely see one so precise. Can't think of anyone else but Beckham and Nelson doing that, not even Alves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XpHwQB4CKs Just experience the technique on that shot!
If he goes on like that (and believe me this is just the youtube version of what he does on the field) he's not going to stay here for long! He bring a mediocre team to another level...
Tonight, Panathinaikos plays Lens in Athens for the return leg of UEFA Cup round of 32... if you can you might as well want to watch this game, it's going to be very interesting also considering the fact that the first leg ended 3-1 for the French team but it was just not how it should be. Panathinaikos can do it!
Posted by: milanistar Feb 22 2007, 02:34 PM
There are two great youngsters in Barcelona Bojan Krkic and Giovani Dos Santos, I think they will be really great stars in the nearest future especially Bojan.
The think that makes sad is that we'll probably never have some players like those two in Milan 
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 22 2007, 08:04 PM
Two words...Willie Aubameyang...
Speaking of which, what's the general opinion on Quaresma. I really like this guy. So he's not like a young prodigy, but he's a good player. Especially in that he can drift outside left and cut in. The sort of role I'd want Oli to play, but more and more I realize, he can't do that sorta thing too well.
I think Quaresma would be devastating if paired with Kaka and Gila, not to mention RR99.
Posted by: dst Feb 22 2007, 09:49 PM
Did you see Quaresma's shot last night!?? He hit the ball with the outer part of the shoe... 
He does that a lot! Overall, a little less splashy and some more action would work though!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 22 2007, 10:02 PM
Did I see it? I made like the big bad wolf in Droopy, with the whole 'Yaaoooooogha!!!" thing going.
How did he do that? There was nothing Cech could have done...he was rooted!
Posted by: milanistar Feb 22 2007, 10:12 PM
Speaking of which, what's the general opinion on Quaresma. I really like this guy. So he's not like a young prodigy, but he's a good player. Especially in that he can drift outside left and cut in. The sort of role I'd want Oli to play, but more and more I realize, he can't do that sorta thing too well.
I think Quaresma would be devastating if paired with Kaka and Gila, not to mention RR99.
eah he's a great player, he has the same playing tyle of C.R minus the dives
He does that a lot! Overall, a little less splashy and some more action would work though!Actually he uses that surface a lot ,I've never seen him using his left foot
Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Feb 22 2007, 10:12 PM
Quaresma has been about for a couple of seasons, and has impressed me loads, C.Ronaldo number 2 without a doubt.
Posted by: misha May 30 2007, 06:18 PM
Rising Star in Israel Hits the Fast Track of English Soccer
Ben Sahar did not play a big role in Chelsea’s run to the English F.A. Cup title. He did not play a part in Chelsea’s second-place finish in the Premier League. And Sahar did not step on to the field once as Chelsea advanced to the semifinals of the European Champions League.
But Sahar, a 17-year-old striker from Israel whose nickname is the Kid, is expected to be at the nexus of his national team’s attack in Saturday’s Euro 2008 qualifier in Group E against F.Y.R. Macedonia in Skopje. He will also lead Israel in the European U-21 championship in the Netherlands, which begins June 10 with a match against the host nation.
Sahar, Chelsea’s first Israeli player, was obtained one year ago from Hapoel Tel Aviv for a $635,000 transfer fee in a competition that included Arsenal, Tottenham (which traditionally has a large Jewish fan base) and Aston Villa. (He solved the problem of obtaining a British work permit by obtaining Polish citizenship because of his mother’s background.) Sahar spent most of the time on Chelsea’s reserve team before making his debut, as a substitute against Macclesfield Town in an F.A. Cup match on Jan. 6. He played in his first Premier League game, against Wigan Athletic, on Jan. 13.
But Sahar made the soccer world stand up and take notice when he scored two exquisite goals in a 4-0 Euro 2008 qualifier on March 28 against Estonia in his third appearance for the national team. The goals made him the youngest player to score in the history of Israel’s senior national team.
“Things now are actually a little bit crazy for me in Israel,†Sahar said in a recent telephone interview from London. “Everyone knows you. Sometimes it is nice to play away from Israel, what with all the media there watching you, wanting to see what you’re doing. In England, at least right now, I feel like a tourist. It is quiet and relaxed, even on one of the best teams.â€
After the match against Macedonia, in which he is likely to start, Sahar will probably be released to the under-21 team for the eight-nation tournament in the Netherlands, and not play in the qualifier against Andorra on June 6, the national team’s administrator, Israel Stupinski, said yesterday by telephone from Israel.
In qualifying so far for next summer’s tournament, which Austria and Switzerland will co-host, Israel is 2 points behind Croatia, tied for second with England and Russia.
Later this summer, Sahar will accompany Chelsea on its United States tour, which will open July 14 with a match against Club América of Mexico in Stanford, Calif., and continue with a four-team tournament outside Los Angeles on July 17 and 21 (with Tigres UANL of Mexico, Suwon Bluewings of South Korea and the Galaxy of Major League Soccer).
After spending most of this past season with Chelsea’s reserve team, Sahar said he sees only good things in his future.
“When I first came to England I thought it would be difficult,†Sahar said. “A new country, a different culture. But all went very well. I feel a joy for football here. But you have to be strong and play very, very quickly.â€
Asked his impression of Chelsea’s often-controversial and always-outspoken Portuguese coach, José Mourinho, Sahar said: “I knew José had always coached big teams, that he’s a big coach. When I train, he can see everything. Maybe when I play a little slow, he sees and tells me. He tells me to have no worries about the future. I believe I have the quality to play in England. I just have to work hard and show I deserve to be on the first team.â€
The only remaining stumbling block to Sahar’s English adventure is the requisite 3 years of military service for Israeli men and women (2 years) 18 and older. Although Chelsea refused to comment on the prospect of losing Sahar, there have been reports from Israel that an exemption is in the works.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/sports/soccer/30soccer.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=soccer&adxnnlx=1180544724-QlfZ+heMlv8bDjFCG1Oa2w
He's the best player in Chelsea reserve/young teams and Mourinho is saying (and I agree
) that he has a big future. He's only 17 but strong, fast and has a good technique.
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 30 2007, 06:25 PM
I've not seen much of him, but the Israel team isn't half bad, and if he can get into it at 17 he's certainly going to show Theo Walcott who's London's best teen. 
Posted by: Tennie May 30 2007, 06:28 PM
I've seen him play in Euro qualifiers. He's quite good.
Posted by: misha May 30 2007, 06:54 PM
Watch the euro under-21 that starts in a few weeks. He scored the only goal against France to eliminate them in the playoff game to be there.
Posted by: maldini03 May 30 2007, 11:19 PM
Speaking of which, what's the general opinion on Quaresma. I really like this guy. So he's not like a young prodigy, but he's a good player. Especially in that he can drift outside left and cut in. The sort of role I'd want Oli to play, but more and more I realize, he can't do that sorta thing too well.
I think Quaresma would be devastating if paired with Kaka and Gila, not to mention RR99.
I think the merda have their hands on him or at least thats what i've heard if Figo leaves thats who they want
Posted by: han2503 May 31 2007, 06:02 PM
Quaresma is amazing, better than Ronaldo imo, can play as supporting striker or winger.
I would love to see him come to Milan, but I can't see us going for him
Posted by: Portikins May 31 2007, 06:39 PM
I would love to see him come to Milan, but I can't see us going for him
Not consistent. He started the season well but in the last 7-8 matches he was sh!t. Too selfish sometimes. He's more like a "Joga Bonito" guy.
No way he'll be/is better than Ronaldo. Mentally Cristiano is way better. Quaresma is too weak in that field.
Anyway, we don't go for wingers. Specially a gipsy.
Best portuguese wingers at the moment by order: Ronaldo > Simão > Quaresma > Nani.
I don't count Figo even if he stays 1 more year in Inter.
Posted by: dst May 31 2007, 08:43 PM
Simao doesn't look a great player to me... I think he'd fail in a bigger team.
Posted by: Tennie May 31 2007, 08:46 PM
He did have a spell at Barca that wasn't entirely successful (played in a CL game against Milan a few years ago). But he's class for Benfica and for the Portuguese NT. Simao very nearly went to Valencia last year (clubs had agreed terms, but he didn't agree terms with Valencia re wages).
Posted by: KillerMax May 31 2007, 08:57 PM
wiki:
Andranik Teymourian is an Iranian football player currently playing for Bolton Wanderers in the FA Premier League and the Iran national football team. He usually plays as a defensive midfielder, but can also play as a winger.
He is one of my favorites at the moment. Very consistent and very talented. He has a good eye for goal too.
And there was this one other player who plays for Steaua with a kind of similar style as C. Ronaldo. I forgot his name, but he really caught my eye in the CL group stage games.
Posted by: bigmacmtl May 31 2007, 09:11 PM
wiki:
Andranik Teymourian is an Iranian football player currently playing for Bolton Wanderers in the FA Premier League and the Iran national football team. He usually plays as a defensive midfielder, but can also play as a winger.
He is one of my favorites at the moment. Very consistent and very talented. He has a good eye for goal too.
And there was this one other player who plays for Steaua with a kind of similar style as C. Ronaldo. I forgot his name, but he really caught my eye in the CL group stage games.
ya i've seen play a couple of times. pretty nifty player, fun to watch. although it's obvious that you rate him highly cuz ur both persian!
Posted by: KillerMax May 31 2007, 09:22 PM
Obviously. But other than Mahdavikia and the legend that was Daei, all other Iranian players are not even close. Maybe Nekounam who plays for Osasuna in the Liga. Here's the thing, if Teymourian was to join Milan, he would be a great signing. I couldn't say the same about other Iranian players.
Posted by: misha May 31 2007, 09:28 PM
And it would be good move commercially
Posted by: KillerMax May 31 2007, 09:30 PM
From what aspect?
Posted by: misha May 31 2007, 09:33 PM
Milan would sell many merchandise in the arab world.
Posted by: KillerMax May 31 2007, 09:40 PM
I don't think Arabs are fond of Iranians. I know for a fact that most Iranians despise Arabs (it's the whole Persian\ Aryans vs. Arabs thing
) So no, actually it wouldn't be any better than let's say Kaladze, commercially. Plus, Teymourian is Christian, so I would say no chance. 
Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 31 2007, 09:43 PM
There was a good article on Parma's Dessena, a while back, but its gone missing on the eurosport page
basically think of him as kind of a pirlo player who makes devestating runs in the box
His passing is highly rated
Posted by: KillerMax May 31 2007, 09:53 PM
I think Boijnov is a good talent also. He needs the right team and a the right coach though.
Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 31 2007, 09:56 PM
My god, what has happened to cassano, he was so promising a few years back
He is a nobody now, who parties excessively, and loves to argue with managers
Posted by: misha May 31 2007, 10:02 PM
I agree. This guy at 16
was already playing in Serie A. He's only 21 now and a big talent
Posted by: Portikins May 31 2007, 10:08 PM
He is a nobody now, who parties excessively, and loves to argue with managers
That's why he's probably goin' Inter.
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 31 2007, 10:15 PM
I feel that if he does make a return to Italy, his career will get back on track. He won't reach the potential he once promised, but will still make a decent player.
Posted by: LaPalma May 31 2007, 10:28 PM
Manuel Neuer
21 Years, GK
Club: Schalke 04 (aka FC Gazprom)
Don't know if he was already mentioned on this forum but IMO he's the biggest GK talent out there. I've never seen such a brilliant and calm goalie as he is. He managed to bench Frank Rost, one of Germanys best goalie in the mid of the season. His reactions are simply amazing as well as his game in the box.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 1 2007, 12:30 AM
Sebastian Viera is the top young keeper in my eyes. He's only 23 and already proven.. Holds an Italian passport, too. Would be a nice replacement when Dida decides to call it a day.
Name: Diego Sebastián Viera GalaÃn
Birth Place: Florida, Uruguay
Date of Birth: July 03, 1983 (age 23)
Club: Villarreal CF
I know he's not that young, and everybody already knows who he is, doesn't mean he still can't be a top young keeper.
Posted by: bigmacmtl Jun 1 2007, 07:40 AM
i dunno probably the best iranian talent i've ever seen is karimi. the guy is just sick to watch, he can dance threw a whole def. the only problem is he can't finish lol. but ya he isnt young anymore, and i bet he's been injured for most of the season.
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 1 2007, 08:48 AM
He was the Asian player of the year and being dubbed is the 'Asian Maradona' a couple years ago. Probably one of the most talented players out there. But what is the problem you ask? He hates playing football. He only plays for the money. And these are his own words...
While still playing in Iran, before he went to Al Ahli, he had offers from Atletico and Arsenal, but he refused because Al Ahli was offering more money. Then he joined Bayern because he got bored with Arab football. Now he is bored from German football. What a waste of talent. I hate him. 
Posted by: LaPalma Jun 1 2007, 01:26 PM
While still playing in Iran, before he went to Al Ahli, he had offers from Atletico and Arsenal, but he refused because Al Ahli was offering more money. Then he joined Bayern because he got bored with Arab football. Now he is bored from German football. What a waste of talent. I hate him. I've seen him a couple of times, but he never really impressed me a lot.
Posted by: MizNelson Jun 1 2007, 11:02 PM
What's your definition of young, pre-puberty?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 1 2007, 11:23 PM
I consider young players that are good prospects to be 21 at the oldest.
You can hardly call a 23 year old a prospect, he may only have 6 or so years left in him, by the time he gets to his best he may only have a few years at that level.
Posted by: KillerMax Jun 2 2007, 12:04 AM
You can hardly call a 23 year old a prospect, he may only have 6 or so years left in him, by the time he gets to his best he may only have a few years at that level.
23 is definitely young. Players have different growth though.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 2 2007, 12:08 AM
I'm changing my mind, 23 for a normal players isn't neccesarily young. It's different for a 'keeper though, they peak later.
So I'd say Viera is young. Thank god he didn't go to Arsenal.
Posted by: han2503 Jun 3 2007, 05:43 PM
No way he'll be/is better than Ronaldo. Mentally Cristiano is way better. Quaresma is too weak in that field.
Anyway, we don't go for wingers. Specially a gipsy.
Please, it's not like Ronaldo is mentally strong, putting aside the fact that he cries like a 2 year old when something goes wrong for him, you'll see that if he comes up a against a team that marks him he won't even try to do anything, he resorts to hiding, not to mention his choking habits against big teams.
And besides Ronaldo is great at destroying weak teams that don't know how to defend in the premiership but when he comes up against a good, defensively organised team he can't do anything.
I've watched a lot or C.R this season, I've even watched him come on and win a game for Man U all on his own this season, but I still stand by what I said.
I would like to see what Ronaldo could actually do in Serie A, I would put money on him failing
Posted by: dst Jun 3 2007, 06:04 PM
CR's only problem is the he doesn't think... you can't do the exact same thing against Charlton and against Milan!
Posted by: redbabies Jun 6 2007, 04:26 PM
You can hardly call a 23 year old a prospect, he may only have 6 or so years left in him, by the time he gets to his best he may only have a few years at that level.
who was Toni 3 seasons ago? Top Serie B goalscorer, nothing more!
and at that time he was 27, with 28y he started his real career in Seria A with Palermo, and became great with 29. And not he moved to Bayern considered a big-signing with 30y
so, 23 can still be a prospect (not always, but YES sometimes)
Posted by: redbabies Jun 6 2007, 04:31 PM
And besides Ronaldo is great at destroying weak teams that don't know how to defend in the premiership but when he comes up against a good, defensively organised team he can't do anything.
I've watched a lot or C.R this season, I've even watched him come on and win a game for Man U all on his own this season, but I still stand by what I said.
I would like to see what Ronaldo could actually do in Serie A, I would put money on him failing
C.R. has the talent, abilities, quality, speed, technique, but YES he misses some things that you mentioned.
But he just needs another season or two max. to get experience and become a full player. A player which will also succeed in Seria A.
Posted by: LaPalma Jun 18 2007, 10:42 PM
Soo....another huge talent in the striking department
Name:Mario Gomez
Age:21 years
Position: CF
Club: VFB Stuttgart
International Experience: 2 games for Germany/2 goals
Great talent IMO. Does anyone here know him?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiyaGjqwUU8&mode=related&search=is a video of him. Bad quality, but you get an idea of the player.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 20 2007, 04:20 AM
I'll bloody kill anyone who's thinkin of taking him away from Stuttgart.
So LaPalma how'd u say Forza Stuttgart in German?
Posted by: LaPalma Jun 20 2007, 03:41 PM
So LaPalma how'd u say Forza Stuttgart in German?
There's no real equivalent but you can say "Vorwärts Stuttgart" or "Auf geht's Stuttgart", but most of the time german fans only scream the name of their Club which would be "BOCHUM BOCHUM!"
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 20 2007, 06:08 PM
^^^ Ahh so Bochum is German for Stuttgart....
Cool...
Posted by: LaPalma Jun 20 2007, 07:22 PM
Ahh so Bochum is German for Stuttgart....Cool...
Bochum is also german for Bayern Munich and Bremen...and Hamburg....and Dortmund....
Posted by: Tennie Jun 20 2007, 07:24 PM
But I thought German for Bayern was 'scheisse'?
Posted by: dst Jun 20 2007, 07:26 PM
Wow!! You're using emoticons!!!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 20 2007, 07:27 PM
So Bochum also means Scheisse? I mean for the sake of transitivity??
If Bochum=Bayern and Bayern=Scheisse
=> Bochum=Scheisse
Forza Stuttgart!!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 20 2007, 07:28 PM
Yup..she's a big girl now....
Posted by: dst Jun 20 2007, 07:28 PM
How one says "Drunken Sailor" in German?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 20 2007, 07:29 PM
^^^
Oh I know that one...Herr Jack Sparrow
I'am Ze BOOOMMMBBBBB!!!
Posted by: dst Jun 20 2007, 07:30 PM
"His dinner he does vomit out
Foul obsceneties he shouts
Now he's foaming at the mouth
He'll bite you like a rabid dog
He shits himself like he's a hog
He's pissing in the face of God
Aliye in the morning
What shall we do with the drunken sailor
Put him in the long boat until he's sober"
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 20 2007, 07:36 PM
^^^^
Darn you've been stalking me...but I never pissed on Paolo...I swear..
Posted by: dst Jun 20 2007, 07:38 PM
I know. You would be dead by now!! You know... he might have never been shown a red card but that doesn't mean he can't tackle from behind using both his feet!!
Posted by: LaPalma Jun 20 2007, 08:09 PM
If Bochum=Bayern and Bayern=Scheisse
=> Bochum=Scheisse
Forza Stuttgart!!
No...because Teenie is wrong and Bayern doesn't mean scheisse...
That means dst
or "Besoffener Seemann" but we don't really use that term...we prefer simply "Saufen"
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 20 2007, 09:25 PM
That means dst
or "Besoffener Seemann" but we don't really use that term...we prefer simply "Saufen"
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 21 2007, 05:58 AM
^^^^ I just made the connection now. Darn boy, u got a dirty mind.
Posted by: dst Oct 30 2007, 12:51 AM
We should get Papastathopoulos from AEK (the team we played against last season in the CL group stages)!! He's a CB and every time I see him play I'm amazed! He has great confidence, superb defensive skills and he looks like he's got 10 years of experience on his back while he's only 20! He's undoubtedly the greatest talent I've seen since Nesta...
Posted by: Nova Oct 30 2007, 12:54 AM
Are you playing with my ding-dong ??
Milan would never give me that joy of having a greek player with us
Posted by: dst Oct 30 2007, 12:58 AM
Oh and he is also the captain of the Greek U21 team that reached the European final last summer!
Posted by: Nova Oct 30 2007, 01:02 AM
I'm afraid the only thing Milan and Greece have in common is Athina.
Posted by: LaPalma Nov 5 2007, 04:35 PM
Here's another one:
Toni Kroos
Age:17
Position: Offensive/central midfield
Team: Bayern Munich
The media here is going totally crazy about him. "Experts" are even saying he's a bigger talent than Kaiser Franz was. I dunno but he was already crowned best player of the last U17 WC, in front of Barcas Krikic. He also rescued Bayern in their first Uefa Cup group game against red star. He came when Red Star was leading 2:1. Then he assisted Klose for the equalizer and scored the winner with a free-kick.
Anyone heard of him?
Posted by: dst Nov 5 2007, 04:39 PM
I think I've heard of him.
But this crowning thing should stop! They are putting too much pressure on the young players... it's just not right!
Posted by: LaPalma Nov 5 2007, 06:26 PM
But this crowning thing should stop! They are putting too much pressure on the young players... it's just not right!
I think you don't want to hear this but you're with Bayen manager Uli Hoeneß on this. After Bayerns match against Red Star he dimished the "Kroos show" with comments like "Kroos? Matchwinner?" or "That freekick? We would have scored that too wouldn't we" (to a journalist). Well...sometimes that stupid idiot can be funny too.
But I totally agree with here. Players like Krikic, Kroos or Dos Santos aren't even 18, yet everyone talks about them as if they'll be the new Beckenbauers, Maradonnas or whatever.
Posted by: KillerMax Nov 6 2007, 12:48 AM
Krikic... Someone kidnap that kid and bring him to San Siro.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 7 2007, 11:31 PM
Agha in Krkic khodast!
///
At just 17, he's doing just incredible. Dos Santos will be faded under his shadow, this I'm sure of! and do I dare to say he's going to be at least as good as Messi? I do!
Posted by: KillerMax Nov 8 2007, 12:59 AM
Exactly what I think as well.
But I wouldn't compare him to Messi. You can easily compare Messi to Maradona, but Krikic is a class of his own. He is very very unique.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 8 2007, 01:34 AM
But I wouldn't compare him to Messi. You can easily compare Messi to Maradona, but Krikic is a class of his own. He is very very unique.
At first glance, yes ... But when u think about it. Messi has a long way to go to be compared to Maradona. Sure he scored a 'similar' goal to the one Diego scored, and the journalists and commentators would love nothing more than comparing them. But I have heard it all to much before, many before Messi were compared to Maradona, and showed promise, but soon after they were nothing compared to Maradona.
At first glance yeah I would agree with you, but look at it this way, Maradona played for Napoli in comparision to Messi who plays for Barcalona .. Maradona took Napoli from their struggling roots and crowned them champions of Serie A. While Messi blossomed in a team that already has champions in every department and a team that could win the CL and La Liga without him ... What I'm trying to say is, take Messi out of Barcalona and put him in Napoli today, I don't think he has what it takes to live up to such a hype .. He might turn out to be even greater than Diego, but that would have to be proven first.
Posted by: Tennie Nov 8 2007, 01:45 AM
Hrm. It'll be interesting to see what Lavezzi does at Napoli. He's started off brightly enough and I've enjoyed watching him so far. It's really unfortunate (or is it, if they deserve it?) that the Napoli fans keep getting banned from away games. Still, teh team is doing a lot better than anyone expected.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 8 2007, 02:21 AM
El Pocho !!! Yeah, he has been doing some good things ... I keep reading reviews about him in our local Italian sports editorials .. As I understand it, he is propelling Napoli into greater heights this season.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 8 2007, 02:54 PM
But I wouldn't compare him to Messi. You can easily compare Messi to Maradona, but Krikic is a class of his own. He is very very unique.
Krkic's style of play and physique is very similar to that of Messi [they're both about 1.70cm in height - though Krkic's 17yo and can still grow a few centimeters until he's 20] and in my opinion, Krkic's technique is [or will be someday] better than Messi's.
I don't like Barca at all, but I admit their youth academy is admirable. Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Krkic, Dos Santos, ... .
Posted by: KillerMax Nov 8 2007, 03:31 PM
Hey! We have Digao and Aubmayshotorgavpalang...
Posted by: Tennie Nov 8 2007, 03:36 PM
We also have Darmian. This kid is good.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 8 2007, 03:49 PM
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Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 8 2007, 03:52 PM
Considering the status of this club, it never surprises me that we never get any quality from the primavera .. Well maybe a Maldini every two decades, sure .. But not as frequent as clubs like Ajax.
With that said, Adriano Galliani had stated that Milan will look to propel their young prospects, so that they can be in line with UEFA's new rules which state at least 2 or 3 players who come from the clubs youth ranks have to be registered for european competitions (CL).
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 8 2007, 04:00 PM
When he shined in some tough and serious matches with Milan's first team, I would start considering him a good player.
I mean, if there's one thing Milan is clearly not good at, it's our youth system. I have no idea what they're doing over there with all those kids, but they're not introducing Krkics and Messis and Iniestas and etc to us. I mean who was the last great player that advanced all the way from Milan youth system to become a first team regular?!...
Posted by: Tennie Nov 8 2007, 04:11 PM
That would be Maldini. And Darmian is 17, so give him a couple of months at least before you discount him. He's had a game in Serie A (last season against Udinese; I was in the stands for that game) in which he was very good -- he got a 6 rating from Gazzetta, which was fully merited.
In general are the Primavera disappointing? Yep, we're no Ajax or Sporting. But don't discount them entirely.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 8 2007, 04:11 PM
I mean how many million euros Barca benefit from having a good youth system every year? it's something Milan should take more seriously. it's very lucrative.
Posted by: Tennie Nov 8 2007, 04:18 PM
Lucrative? Making euros?
Gee. I thought football was about sport and competition.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 8 2007, 04:18 PM
He's had a game in Serie A (last season against Udinese; I was in the stands for that game) in which he was very good -- he got a 6 rating from Gazzetta, which was fully merited. I hope so...
Barca too! I don't know since when they have started to invest in youth system, but they're doing pretty good in recent years.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 8 2007, 04:20 PM
Gee. I thought football was about sport and competition.
I'm sorry! I meant except for having talents like Messi and etc.And tbh, today's football is very much about $$.
Posted by: LaPalma Nov 8 2007, 04:26 PM
Well....Real Madrids youth system isn't bad either...people forget that when talking about Barca.
Guti, Raul, Soldado, Casillas, Miguel Torres...
People around here are a bit too enthusiastic about Barcas young players....especially Krikic. Till now that kid has done nothing special IMO. I personally think Toni Kroos is more talented than Krikic...OK, I'm german so I'm biased but that kid won Bayern a UEFA Cup game in 20 minutes....and that in Belgrad where even experienced players are frightened by the atmosphere. Plus Kroos outshined Krikic by far at the U17 WC this year.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 8 2007, 04:45 PM
Guti, Raul, Soldado, Casillas, Miguel Torres...
People around here are a bit too enthusiastic about Barcas young players....especially Krikic. Till now that kid has done nothing special IMO. I personally think Toni Kroos is more talented than Krikic...OK, I'm german so I'm biased but that kid won Bayern a UEFA Cup game in 20 minutes....and that in Belgrad where even experienced players are frightened by the atmosphere. Plus Kroos outshined Krikic by far at the U17 WC this year.
Real Madrid's is good too.
I haven't heard of Kroos nor have I seen him play, so no comment on him. as for Bojan, from what I've seen from him on the field, I can say he's going to be big. I don't know how many years will it take until the day he's regarded a new Messi, but he's got something special as you can clearly see it in his play.
Posted by: Tennie Nov 8 2007, 04:55 PM
I agree with La Palma. Too much stress is being put on the Spanish youth programs because Barca and Madrid are glamor teams.
I've seen Kroos play and he IS very talented.
That said, the best youth systems are still those of Ajax and Sporting. Nobody else comes close.
Posted by: LaPalma Nov 8 2007, 05:00 PM
I haven't heard of Kroos nor have I seen him play, so no comment on him. as for Bojan, from what I've seen from him on the field, I can say he's going to be big. I don't know how many years will it take until the day he's regarded a new Messi, but he's got something special as you can clearly see it in his play.
Found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k9B2DgyDXg video on YouTube of him. The quality is not too good but it should still give u an impression...
Posted by: LaPalma Nov 8 2007, 05:00 PM
I haven't heard of Kroos nor have I seen him play, so no comment on him. as for Bojan, from what I've seen from him on the field, I can say he's going to be big. I don't know how many years will it take until the day he's regarded a new Messi, but he's got something special as you can clearly see it in his play.
Found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k9B2DgyDXg video on YouTube of him. The quality is not too good but it should still give u an impression...
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 8 2007, 05:05 PM
Thanks.
Posted by: dst Nov 8 2007, 05:21 PM
Heerenveen have one of the greatest youth academies too!
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 8 2007, 05:33 PM
^^^
Never heard of them!
Posted by: dst Nov 8 2007, 05:36 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sc_Heerenveen with little hearts on their jerseys... you should never forget that one again!
Young lads are usually "stolen" from them and it's a shame cause they are not even credited for their work!
Posted by: KillerMax Nov 8 2007, 05:55 PM
Young lads are usually "stolen" from them and it's a shame cause they are not even credited for their work!
Other than Huntelaar, I don't know anyone else. Throw out some names.
Posted by: dst Nov 8 2007, 06:40 PM
I can't recall any names (it's been a while since I read an article laying it all on...) but many players are their "products" yet not associated with them due to the fact that they are snatched at a young age...
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/features/3755,youth-development-the-euro-stars.aspx is an article I just found out.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 8 2007, 06:45 PM
^^^
RvN?
Posted by: KillerMax Nov 8 2007, 06:49 PM
The reason, says Roxburgh, is simple: “In Holland, they don’t just make the kids do training drills. They’re given time to practice on their own so they can develop individual skills. The preparation that goes into youth development in Holland is very detailed.â€
I really like that part. Here in the States, there are so many individual talents, maybe more than some of the big European countries, but no one really has a clue on how to develop them. They do a lot of unnecessary physical work, but individual work is non-existent.
Good read. Thanks.
Posted by: dst Nov 8 2007, 06:52 PM
RvN?
This is what's written on Wiki:
Central defender!! ha-ha-ha!!!!
Posted by: zdrossoneri Nov 8 2007, 07:08 PM
Central defender!! ha-ha-ha!!!!
Edwin Van Der Sar also started as an attacker if I'm not wrong!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 8 2007, 07:19 PM
I think the team a young kid plays for distorts a persons opinion on him. It doesn't matter how good a young kid is nowadays, if he doesn't play for a top team, he's obviously no good.
Posted by: LaPalma Nov 8 2007, 09:07 PM
I agree...young players have to play for a big team or be brazilian (or argentines) to be recognised as huge talents these days...
How bout Sneijder, Van der Vaart, Babel, Maxwell, Zlatan (was transfered to Ajax when he was 18 I think) and Chivu?
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