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elcordobez
post Oct 5 2010, 05:00 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 5 2010, 01:53 PM) *
Henry's been doing that week in, week out, he's just a dirty player. He was sent off for it and that was the right decision.

As for the number of broken legs, it's simply down to luck. Freddie Bouma was out injured for 2 years with a big injury, nobody even touched him. The Eduardo and Ramsey injuries are just part of football, they're professionals who have very quick feet and even if you;re 0.1 of a second late, you can end up breaking someones leg. It doesn't mean there's any intent, you're just unlucky if you happen to end up with a broken leg. People are unable to react to a split second, so they can hardly stop themself. Cisse's leg break at Liverpool was nohing more than a tangle of legs between 2 players.

I prefer the physiucality of the league, it allows the game to flow and generally results in less diving.



Hadn't seen that, but I have to ask what sport he thinks this is if he feels that was unnecesary? He was running inside the Man City half, what did he expect him to do, let Ben Arfa through on goal?


WOW that's alot of unlucky players (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) and those that you talk about are all very recent.

But i still stick to my referees theory i don't believe there are that many unlucky players in one league.I think EPL has created circumstances where these things can happen frequently.

Like i said there are benefits in that it's more flowing football and a good spectacle i actually hope this happens more in Italy,but trying to clamp down on diving is one thing but i don't accept that leg breaking should be "a part of football".

And you CAN be a good defender without breaking legs it just takes a bit more discipline.I think it's a cop out to simply suggest it necessary to risk injuring opponents in order to be effective,it's the lazy solution imo.

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post Oct 5 2010, 05:31 AM
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QUOTE (elcordobez @ Oct 5 2010, 05:00 AM) *
WOW that's alot of unlucky players (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) and those that you talk about are all very recent.

What I find funny is that De Jong makes a top class tackle and everybody on Earth is up in arms about how the Premier League allows horrific tackles. Sidwell breaks a Wolves players leg last weekend in what wasn't a good tackle and nobody even so much as mentions it. People just jump on the bandwagon when they feel like it.

People react far, far too much to the outcome of an incident, rather than the incident itself. If Ben Arfa's leg hadn't broke, would anyone have said ANYTHING about the tackle at all? Not a chance, if Ben Arfa's leg didn't get stuck under De Jong, it wouldn't have broke and nobody would have said a thing, despite it essentially being the exact same tackle.

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post Oct 5 2010, 05:51 AM
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I also imagine the memory of De Jong's kung fu kick is fresh in memory too. That kick on Xabi Alonso was inside the Netherlands half. What was he supposed to do, let Xabi have space to shoot? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

But then again..I was supporting Holland and I dislike Alonso, so at that time I cheered. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Oct 5 2010, 06:09 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 5 2010, 03:31 PM) *
What I find funny is that De Jong makes a top class tackle and everybody on Earth is up in arms about how the Premier League allows horrific tackles. Sidwell breaks a Wolves players leg last weekend in what wasn't a good tackle and nobody even so much as mentions it. People just jump on the bandwagon when they feel like it.

People react far, far too much to the outcome of an incident, rather than the incident itself. If Ben Arfa's leg hadn't broke, would anyone have said ANYTHING about the tackle at all? Not a chance, if Ben Arfa's leg didn't get stuck under De Jong, it wouldn't have broke and nobody would have said a thing, despite it essentially being the exact same tackle.


Bandwagon against leg breakers.
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Well count me in.
My comments have nothing to do with De Jongs tackle actually i made the same comment regarding the Chelsea - ManCity game where Man City were allowed to literally rugby tackle players to the ground and the ref quite happily let play flow.No incidents in that game.
You said yourself you enjoy the physicality of the EPL it's quite well documented there's no "bandwagon" to jump on it's simply bringing up a point that's been made over the years.
What i'm saying is that the refs are clearly allowing this "physical" play and it has obvious consequences therefore you have to expect people to be "Up in arms" about it from time to time when the injuries inflicted are frequent and serious.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 5 2010, 03:31 PM) *
If Ben Arfa's leg hadn't broke, would anyone have said ANYTHING about the tackle at all?

Come on man,you sound like a reasonable guy,you don't have to always blindingly defend the EPL,i enjoy watching it too as a neutral.I'd think that reducing these incidents would improve the league no?Surely breaking legs can't be acceptable practice.
And getting more of a player than the ball is never a good tackle but that's my opinion.Wasn't the Zamora incident from a similar tackle..trailing leg etc..and no foul...?

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post Oct 5 2010, 07:21 AM
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Here we go kurt:

De Jong dropped by Dutch coach

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Look..just bow down and accept I'm right (er) than you are. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Oct 5 2010, 07:25 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 5 2010, 03:51 PM) *
I also imagine the memory of De Jong's kung fu kick is fresh in memory too. That kick on Xabi Alonso was inside the Netherlands half. What was he supposed to do, let Xabi have space to shoot? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

But then again..I was supporting Holland and I dislike Alonso, so at that time I cheered. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


This one is worse than the kung fu imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQbTu1wS4Gg
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post Oct 5 2010, 01:50 PM
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De Jong makes a top class tackle

When you tackle on your opponent like that there's as much chance of injuring them or even breaking their legs as there is of getting the ball. and De Jong tends to more injure people than execute 'top class' tackles. Maldinis and Nestas and Puyols made/make top class tackles not this reckless scumbag.

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But i still stick to my referees theory i don't believe there are that many unlucky players in one league.I think EPL has created circumstances where these things can happen frequently.


I think you are 100% correct.

One just can't attribute so many broken legs to bad luck. I think EPL's physicality combined in its fast paced play results in these injuries. La Liga is as fast-paced as EPL (if not more) but these things rarely happen because they don't play physically. Serie A on the other hand is very physical but, in comparison to EPL, slower-paced therefore there are many injuries, but far fewer serious injuries such as then ones happen so frequently in EPL.

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But then again..I was supporting Holland and I dislike Alonso, so at that time I cheered. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


Haha if this was only a joke, but come on Jack, this is not funny.

QUOTE (elcordobez @ Oct 5 2010, 09:55 AM) *
This one is worse than the kung fu imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQbTu1wS4Gg

Nonono, it can't be. kicking someone in the chest like that can be 'really' dangerous - even life threatening.

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post Oct 5 2010, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 5 2010, 12:31 AM) *
What I find funny is that De Jong makes a top class tackle and everybody on Earth is up in arms about how the Premier League allows horrific tackles.


Last I heard, scissors tackles were illegal.
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post Oct 5 2010, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Oct 5 2010, 05:50 PM) *
Nonono, it can't be. kicking someone in the chest like that can be 'really' dangerous - even life threatening.

This here is the magic word. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Everything else comes secondary, a brainless insect like De Jong can really hurt or kill the other player if he is keeps on doing this shtick. A sportsman leg and thigh muscles already are developed to superhuman level, couple that with their killer footwear, a kick that like that to the heart, and I dread to think what happens.

It is another matter entirely if the other player is expecting the move, as in freestyle combat or the scripted WWE circus. Unintentional can be let gone, but serial criminals like the Dutch signal of Death should not go unpunished. At least an year ban for the first offense, and more for the second.

QUOTE (Tennie @ Oct 5 2010, 06:32 PM) *
Last I heard, scissors tackles were illegal.

So very true. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif) There should be no exceptions!
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QUOTE (Zed.D @ Oct 5 2010, 07:20 PM) *
Haha if this was only a joke, but come on Jack, this is not funny.


Nonono, it can't be. kicking someone in the chest like that can be 'really' dangerous - even life threatening.


If that was Pirlo I'd want De Jong to be behind bars....but I did see the 'kick' and it was more of an outstretched leg from the leap and not really an intentional boot to the chest. If it had been, Alonso would be on the ground spitting blood.

It's almost a copy of this. Watch Drogs do his 'shot by a firing squad' impression. But what I mean is that when you run onto a really strong outstretched leg, you'll hurt a lot less than if you're getting kicked. But yes..it hurts like a *****..and if it were me, I'd be crying and calling for my mother.
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post Oct 5 2010, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE (elcordobez @ Oct 5 2010, 06:09 AM) *
Come on man,you sound like a reasonable guy,you don't have to always blindingly defend the EPL,i enjoy watching it too as a neutral.I'd think that reducing these incidents would improve the league no?

Then you've clearly not seen my posts in this thread.
vs West Ham: Awful ref.
vs Newcastle: Awful ref.
vs Everton: Awful ref.
vs Stoke: Can he even be called a ref?
vs Bolton: You can just about call this guy competent.
vs Wolves: Joke of a ref.
vs Spurs: Competent, but made big mistake.

I'd hardly call that blindly defending the Premier League.

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 5 2010, 07:21 AM) *
Here we go kurt:

De Jong dropped by Dutch coach

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Look..just bow down and accept I'm right (er) than you are. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I fail to see what that's got to do with anything? He's been slagged off since the World Cup for anti-football and De Jong is the biggest culprit of this 'anti-football', makes sense to me.

QUOTE (Tennie @ Oct 5 2010, 02:32 PM) *
Last I heard, scissors tackles were illegal.

Good thing De Jong didn't make a scissors tackle then.

The ball was in front of Ben Arfa, De Jongs left leg came in and took the ball with making any contact with Ben Arfa. His right leg hit the side of Ben Arfa's leg, but due to Ben Arfa's studs getting caught, it broke his leg.

Like I said though, everybody is jumping on the bandwagon now. If this was an isolated thing and everybody bought it up, fine. But it's nothing more than a case of guilty before proven innocent, just because he has a reputation. If it wasn't De Jong, nobody would have even said anything - Sidwell breaking a leg last weekend and nobody so much as mentioning it proves this. The evidence gains even more strength on the fact that Sidwell's tackle was terrible, while De Jong's was within the laws of the game. It also puts my 'defending the EPL' myth to bed because not only am I criticising Sidwell, but he's a Villa player.

I'm more concerned with Fellaini and Tim Cahill getting away with elbowing people in the face week in, week out.
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 5 2010, 08:04 PM) *
The ball was in front of Ben Arfa, De Jongs left leg came in and took the ball with making any contact with Ben Arfa. His right leg hit the side of Ben Arfa's leg, but due to Ben Arfa's studs getting caught, it broke his leg.

Like I said though, everybody is jumping on the bandwagon now. If this was an isolated thing and everybody bought it up, fine. But it's nothing more than a case of guilty before proven innocent, just because he has a reputation. If it wasn't De Jong, nobody would have even said anything - Sidwell breaking a leg last weekend and nobody so much as mentioning it proves this. The evidence gains even more strength on the fact that Sidwell's tackle was terrible, while De Jong's was within the laws of the game. It also puts my 'defending the EPL' myth to bed because not only am I criticising Sidwell, but he's a Villa player.

I'm more concerned with Fellaini and Tim Cahill getting away with elbowing people in the face week in, week out.


I watched it and didn't think it was a bad tackle , the premiership has always been known for hard tackling Ronaldo became a greater player he got built up , from a scrawny kid from madeira he learnt to deal with the hard tackles
some may say to his advantage sometimes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) , But thats the premiership
Serie A has had some heavy tackling remember Van Basten , Ronaldo.... of course not so much now
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post Oct 5 2010, 07:42 PM
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I can't believe it.. De Jong has done it like 3 times this year, broke Ben Afras leg in two places and a dutch guy called him an animal and crazy , Can't find the video
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post Oct 5 2010, 08:17 PM
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Funny, we must've watched a different game then. Sure looked like a scissors challenge to me. I can't believe you're even trying to defend this, Kurt.
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 5 2010, 06:04 PM) *
Then you've clearly not seen my posts in this thread.
vs West Ham: Awful ref.
vs Newcastle: Awful ref.
vs Everton: Awful ref.
vs Stoke: Can he even be called a ref?
vs Bolton: You can just about call this guy competent.
vs Wolves: Joke of a ref.
vs Spurs: Competent, but made big mistake.

I'd hardly call that blindly defending the Premier League.




No, I'd call that blindly defending your own team. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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