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AC Milan - Milanfan.com _ Archive 07/08 _ MILAN, Almost done for Borriello
Posted by: nuh May 25 2008, 08:29 PM
AC Milan and CFC Genoa are about to find an agreement for the transfer of striker Marco Borriello to the World Champions; the ligurian club should obtain 6 million Euros plus Luca Antonini and Davide Di Gennaro; Borriello should sign a 5 year deal and earn 3 million Euros per season.
http://www.transfermarketweb.com/?action=read&idsel=16932
Posted by: Portikins May 25 2008, 09:06 PM
I dunno what to think.
Posted by: armisse May 25 2008, 09:20 PM
I dont like it !
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 25 2008, 09:52 PM
i hate it
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 25 2008, 09:53 PM
and is de gennnaro on loan or permenent or our favourite co-ownership
Posted by: Habitant May 25 2008, 09:59 PM
boriello as a 4th striker i can handle, but this still means we need a world class forward...
Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 25 2008, 10:53 PM
I wont comment till this is official, but he will add another dimension of play, aieral ability, the ability to hold up the ball and general Target Striker skills
Posted by: armisse May 25 2008, 10:55 PM
After all this means : Drogba or .... + Pato + Sheva (Silvio)+ Borriello + Inzagi + Ronaldo (After recovery)
or Drogba or .... + Pato + Borriello + Inzagi ?
when i remember Gilardino case i am going crazy !
WTH are we doing ?
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 25 2008, 11:01 PM
If we leave it at Pato, Boriello, Inzaghi, Ronaldo, Paloschi then we'll be looking at 5th place again next season. We desperately need a top striker.
Posted by: Tennie May 25 2008, 11:09 PM
^^To answer the above question re: Di Gennaro, Mediaset is reporting that he's going on loan only.
I'm not sure what to think of this one. We need another GOOD striker too, however, if it goes through.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 25 2008, 11:20 PM
gallaini strongly considers kaka as a stiker so i think our two stiker new one will be R10 and this borreillo
Posted by: dst May 26 2008, 12:03 AM
WHAT?
6 million to Genoa and 3 million per season for Borriello!?!?!?!? I just hope this does not go through... I would really really feel ashamed! 
Posted by: Portikins May 26 2008, 12:45 AM
Borriello will be our prima-punta. Amazing.
A POSTTTTTTTTTTO CCOOSSSSSSSIII!! 
Posted by: TriniKing_CE May 26 2008, 04:47 AM
6 million to Genoa and 3 million per season for Borriello!?!?!?!? I just hope this does not go through... I would really really feel ashamed!
Damn Right!!!!!!!!!
....even though i dont want Boriello back (if he does arrive) I hope he can make me eat my words.
If di gennaro was really being part of this soo called sh1t deal it better be on loan!
Posted by: armisse May 26 2008, 06:23 AM
In this way later Galliani would say that Kaladze is our striker , as he said about kaka and Seedorf last week !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????????????????
this nightmare is not going to end ! even Gilardino will have more success than us !
Posted by: zdrossoneri May 26 2008, 08:34 AM
I hope they don't forget we need a top quality striker... as soon as we sign that world class striker, I won't give a damn about Borriello.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 26 2008, 10:34 AM
stikers wil be sheva and borrillio
Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 26 2008, 01:41 PM
Nah, Borriello is just an' Gilardino replacement. And remember how Gila was dangerous and needed. We'll get another, a real one.
Posted by: nuh May 26 2008, 03:40 PM
i believe that next year our formation will like this :
kalac
zambrota-nesta-maldini-jan
pirlo
fl/gat-r10/seedorf
kaka
eto-pato
maybe borriello
Posted by: han2503 May 26 2008, 03:56 PM
If this is true this is one of Galliani's most stupid of decisions
We've gone from bad to worse. If we wanted to replace Gila we should have gotten a player that will actually be an upgrade on him, if Boriello is really that guy then we might as well just kept Gila 
Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 26 2008, 04:27 PM
kalac
zambrota-nesta-maldini-jan
pirlo
fl/gat-r10/seedorf
kaka
eto-pato
maybe borriello
I don't belive in a PAT-ETO combo..
Posted by: nuh May 26 2008, 04:45 PM
why ?
Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 26 2008, 04:50 PM
Well, that wouldn't work. Eto'o needs someone who can deliver and mostly play aside near the flanks. That's not what Pato is for. Eto'o needs space, just the same with Pato. I'm not sure it would work. Anyway, I fear Eto'os best days are over.
A Pato-Drogba duo would be much more compatible IMO,..
Posted by: morgoth May 26 2008, 05:21 PM
Borriello says that he'll not come to Milan to worm the bench, and honestly he's right!
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/may26l.html
There's a rumour about Milan buying Borri and then exchange/sell him to la Roma and get Mancini though ...
Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 26 2008, 05:42 PM
His attitude is good IMO. He played the season of his life and won a ticket to Austria & Switzerland... that gives him the right to have his 5 minutes of glory. If he remains determinated and proves his determination with results/goals on the pitch, he could become a starter.
Now is the time to decide - Borriello's price and value are probably now higher the ever (in future) and we could use him as a chip for some trade or earn money on him. It's up to our board..
Posted by: kdman May 26 2008, 05:56 PM
I also believe a Pato-Drogba combo would be better than one with Eto'o. In any case, I prefer Drogba over Eto'o based on current form and how they can suit our purpose.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 26 2008, 06:16 PM
Now is the time to decide - Borriello's price and value are probably now higher the ever (in future) and we could use him as a chip for some trade or earn money on him. It's up to our board..
or he could add to the UEFA quota of having X number of players from your primavera in your roster
@han .. Who said Borriello would replace Gila ?! It's waaaay too early to speculate on such issues, for one, we don't know which world class striker will come in, in the first place. And for that to happen, Gila would have to sign with Fiorentina first.
Posted by: han2503 May 26 2008, 07:11 PM
Galliani said that if Gila leaves TWO strikers will come in. That means if Boriello is brought in then he could be 1 of the 2 that were promised.
And imo, if we take Boriello back it would be taking a step back in terms of quality. We all saw how Gila did at Parma, now compare that to Borriello at Genoa, the only difference is that we already know that he will ammount to nothing at Milan sincee he has already been given a chance at Milan on more then one occasion.
And also spending money on a player when you know that he's never done anything good for Milan and also Milan themselves had pretty much given to Genoa for practically nothing just to get rid of him would be a waste of money that could be used in other areas or even to smooth out the deal with Barca for Zambro and R10
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 26 2008, 07:39 PM
And imo, if we take Boriello back it would be taking a step back in terms of quality. We all saw how Gila did at Parma, now compare that to Borriello at Genoa, the only difference is that we already know that he will ammount to nothing at Milan sincee he has already been given a chance at Milan on more then one occasion.
And also spending money on a player when you know that he's never done anything good for Milan and also Milan themselves had pretty much given to Genoa for practically nothing just to get rid of him would be a waste of money that could be used in other areas or even to smooth out the deal with Barca for Zambro and R10
Well yes, Gila-Parma could be used as an example and I fear for such a situation with Borriello too .. But UEFA regulations imply that we need to bring in players from the primavera and Borriello is the best of them atm. Hence, I don't see this as a bad deal, rather the best considering the circumstances.
About the money issue .. I'd rather leave it to the experts at Via Turati .. They have been cutting deals for years now, they know exactly what they are doing
And on the strikers, I believe one will come .. And that one would be Shevchenko, if not then another world class striker. Plus Ronaldinho. And that would be it, of course if I wanted to unlock my wet dreams, I would say Drogba, Etoo, Bin Zema, Henry, etc .. But I am not about to go there.
p.s. It is too early han, Galliani said two strikers, yes. And they could very well be Borriello plus another world class striker. Then again, Borriello hasn't arrived yet, not has Gilardino left, so it is all up in the air. Let's just keep it on ice till the window opens
Posted by: Tennie May 26 2008, 07:42 PM
re: Borriello, there's always option #3 (which has been speculated today): namely, that Milan buy him back and then sell him on to another club. Could see that happening too, depending.
Posted by: han2503 May 26 2008, 07:54 PM
About the money issue .. I'd rather leave it to the experts at Via Turati .. They have been cutting deals for years now, they know exactly what they are doing
And on the strikers, I believe one will come .. And that one would be Shevchenko, if not then another world class striker. Plus Ronaldinho. And that would be it, of course if I wanted to unlock my wet dreams, I would say Drogba, Etoo, Bin Zema, Henry, etc .. But I am not about to go there.
p.s. It is too early han, Galliani said two strikers, yes. And they could very well be Borriello plus another world class striker. Then again, Borriello hasn't arrived yet, not has Gilardino left, so it is all up in the air. Let's just keep it on ice till the window opens
Well that is a valid reason, but if that was the actual reason for bringing him in, then I for one would have much rather seen us keeping a hold of Paloschi, who has actually stepped up for us this season in sticky situations, and I think as a striker he is more complete then Boriello is
Well seeing how they are trying to dring the sum for Zambro and R10 to the very last penny, because we're supposedly in the red (still don't understand how this happened btw
), I would much rather see the money the would spend to get Boriello and use it in the Zambro R10 deal so we can make those transfer happen smoothly and not see us trying to scramble to get them in the very last day of the transfer window. It would be better if we get them now and they have the pre-season with us and start getting R10 back in shape, rather then waiting to get him in the last minute and he'll spen half the season acclematising with the team and getting back his fitness.Still don't know about Sheva coming, but I do believe, as you do that one top striker will come, and he will hae to be another supporting striker, who that might be I don't know, but I believe that if we do get R10 he will be the SS not as something seperate, he will be one of the 2 strikers that Galliani has talked about.
As for Gila, I am 100% sure that he will be a Viola player by next season, and he will have to be replaced, I'm just hoping that his replacement would be a step up in quality rather then a step down ie. replaced by a box striker like Drogba[ex] or a box stiker like Boriello there's a huge difference in quality there and Boriello imo would be a step down from Gila
Posted by: LaPalma May 26 2008, 08:36 PM
I think some people here underestimate Borriello. Yes, he's been cr@p for us when he played at Milan. But sometimes players need a little luck, one or two lucky goals and become world class. Just look at Luca Toni or Oliver Bierhoff. When they were Borriellos age no one would have expected them to become on the best strikers in the world.
I simply think we shouldn't miss out on anotehr Toni.
Posted by: morgoth May 26 2008, 08:41 PM
I simply think we shouldn't miss out on anotehr Toni.
Well said, plus we have to take in consideration how many matches Borri played for us before starting to compare him with Gila or saying that he's cr@p!
Posted by: LaPalma May 26 2008, 08:45 PM
Exactly.
Posted by: han2503 May 26 2008, 08:54 PM
I simply think we shouldn't miss out on anotehr Toni.
Personally I just don't see him as the type of player to make it in a club like Milan.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 26 2008, 09:40 PM
^^ Me neither. But if we decide to keep him, I'll give him his last shot. Until the...patience! We need patience here! We're all talking like as if it was the last week of October not May..
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 26 2008, 11:00 PM
Well seeing how they are trying to dring the sum for Zambro and R10 to the very last penny, because we're supposedly in the red (still don't understand how this happened btw
), I would much rather see the money the would spend to get Boriello and use it in the Zambro R10 deal so we can make those transfer happen smoothly and not see us trying to scramble to get them in the very last day of the transfer window. It would be better if we get them now and they have the pre-season with us and start getting R10 back in shape, rather then waiting to get him in the last minute and he'll spen half the season acclematising with the team and getting back his fitness.Still don't know about Sheva coming, but I do believe, as you do that one top striker will come, and he will hae to be another supporting striker, who that might be I don't know, but I believe that if we do get R10 he will be the SS not as something seperate, he will be one of the 2 strikers that Galliani has talked about.
As for Gila, I am 100% sure that he will be a Viola player by next season, and he will have to be replaced, I'm just hoping that his replacement would be a step up in quality rather then a step down ie. replaced by a box striker like Drogba[ex] or a box stiker like Boriello there's a huge difference in quality there and Boriello imo would be a step down from Gila
If we do get a WC striker, then Paloschi wouldn't even have room to play in the coppa matches, send him out on loan let him express himself better, then when he has gotten his legs used to playing in Serie A bring him back. Paloschi is very determined and with the right guidance he could very well be one of the Azzurri's lead strikers in 2010. But atm, Milan isn't that club that he should be at to get the playing time that he needs, loan him out now, and bring him back when there is space in the squad for him.
You know, I once wrote a letter to Fininvest and never got a reply. So I don't have any clue of what they are spending on. But off the top of my head, post-calciopoli era Milan's game tickets were selling at fairly low. Also, there was the upgrades that were done at San Siro so the fans could attend European venues, there also is increased wages for certain players, etc .. And the list could go on and on .. If ever you get a chance at School, check out a balance sheet (usually accounting classes teach you how to read them
); it shows you exactly what expenditure or cost is on them and how much in revenues, profit, etc .. It gives you a basic insight on what assets the company has available against liabilities on the company. So in that sense, I see it as pointless to talk about how much the club had spent and how much it would spend, when you don't even have the basic material, (let alone cash flow statements and what not), you need to analyze. So I choose not to go there
Yes I do believe, a new strategy for the attack will be implemented to fit in Ronaldinho, WC striker, along with the rest .. But, there are noises from Via Turati stating that Kaka' would be slotted as an SS next season. So I guess, Ancelotti is restructuring the attack, with Ronaldinho taking up the AM slot, probably alternate .. But, yes Ronaldinho could very well be one of the strikers, and if so ? I don't see the problem in that .. I mean, do you honestly think (for the sake of the example) Shevcenko and Drogba will be two new strikers for Milan ? Where would that leave Pato ? and Borriello surely wouldn't get the chance to prove to us his worth, and Inzaghi I mean Ronaldo when he is back (IF he is back
) ... Personally, I would be all for it, bring in two world class strikers, but then again, logically, one of Pato or Borriello will barely get time on the field.Nah, Borriello isn't a replacement for Gilardino (between us, I don't think there is much to replace
) ... But yeah, a world class striker should arrive !! And whoever that striker might be, I'm looking forward 
Posted by: morgoth May 26 2008, 11:13 PM
For thing are pretty obvious from a tactical point of view. If R10 come to Milan we'll play the x-mass formation as our first choice, R01 and Kaka will alternate as the SS, and then put a striker when we'll have 2 goals down. With that in mind If we get a striker and R10 then there will be no place for Pato in the starting 11, he'll do what he did since Inzaghi got his form back, play the last 15/10 minutes or the second halves when a results is needed.
I really hope we don't buy R10 and a world class striker, because Pato will have no place in the first 11 and will probably do a Gourcuff! Our management should go for a target striker like Drogba and play the 4-4-2 diamond formation again with Pato, but since they choose to put their faith in Calro for the next season, I think we'll have to wait for 2 years (when Carlo's contract ends) to see Pato as the first choice starter at Milan.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 26 2008, 11:26 PM
I really hope we don't buy R10 and a world class striker, because Pato will have no place in the first 11 and will probably do a Gourcuff! Our management should go for a target striker like Drogba and play the 4-4-2 diamond formation again with Pato, but since they choose to put their faith in Calro for the next season, I think we'll have to wait for 2 years (when Carlo's contract ends) to see Pato as the first choice starter at Milan.
or the easy way is that carlo relizes that 3 DM theory is useless and we star playing with some sort of 2 DMs and 2 AMs (R10 and Kaka) and 2 stikers as the game progresses we bring the 3rd DM if we are winning
Posted by: morgoth May 26 2008, 11:30 PM
I don't think a 2 striker and 2 attacking midfielders is an option after Brazil's last world cup, especially R10 and Kaka
In fact, the best thing is to buy a striker instead of R10, that would be great but it won't happen
Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 27 2008, 12:06 AM
Everyone bashes Carlo's 3 DM policy but he dosent actually use 3 DM. Ambrosini and gattuso yes, but not Pirlo. Pirlo is a deep lying playmaker akin to an NFL quaterback. He isnt a true DM per se, which makes it more important for us to have an alternative to him. Cigarini is as close as anyone will ever be able to get to him
Posted by: dst May 27 2008, 12:12 AM
I agree. But when we say Carletto uses 3 DM's we don't count Pirlo. We count Seedorf: Doesn't Move!
Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 27 2008, 12:26 AM
Posted by: acid911 May 27 2008, 12:49 AM
Plus, we have someone called Brocchi who moves too much!
Posted by: morgoth May 27 2008, 01:10 AM
Nice one.When people use the term 3 DM's I think they mean the position of the players on the field and not their natural position. For example Brocchi's natural position is Attacking midfielder (not a Kaka like, but still) but he always plays as a defensive one and the same goes for Pirlo.
Posted by: Habitant May 27 2008, 03:07 AM
yes i agree pirlo isnt a Dm.
but the problem is in order to score goals you need a certain amount of players(besides the strikers and AM) up field in and around the box that are capable of scoring. every so often i see brocchi or ambrosini venturing forward because we need a goal, but are they likely to score, beat a defender or set up a teammate? (ambro does it once in a blue moon).
i think thats been one of main problems in the past 2 years. when you play ambro,pirlo and gattuso in the midfield that leaves seedorf, kaka and the striker (whoever that might be) left around the final third. it makes it that much easier for defenses to neutralize our attack because they can commit a couple of defenders on each of our guys front. that in turn also makes life that much harder for a guy like pirlo, how can he make the killer pass when our dangerous players are marked off the pitch?
i watch a team like Man U (
i know i hate them but they just won the double so they must be doing something right). just about everyone in their midfield can jump in during the counterattacks or make a run in the box, even their fullbacks! it adds that much dimention to their attack. i watch milan lpay and theres only 2-3 guy that have to be watched and mission accomplished for opposing team.
Posted by: acid911 May 27 2008, 05:33 AM
The whole post above is deep fried in truth.
We don't have many people who can hit the net. Remember the games when Ronaldo played for us, it added a completely new dimension to our attack. He led the attack, as Maldini led the defense. Napoli 5-2, anyone? Too bad KaPaRo lasted only one match. As of now.
Posted by: han2503 May 27 2008, 11:27 AM
The point with Boriello is that he's already been given chances to play at Milan on more then 1 occasion, I'm just personally opposed to the idea of getting him back.
You know, I once wrote a letter to Fininvest and never got a reply. So I don't have any clue of what they are spending on. But off the top of my head, post-calciopoli era Milan's game tickets were selling at fairly low. Also, there was the upgrades that were done at San Siro so the fans could attend European venues, there also is increased wages for certain players, etc .. And the list could go on and on .. If ever you get a chance at School, check out a balance sheet (usually accounting classes teach you how to read them
); it shows you exactly what expenditure or cost is on them and how much in revenues, profit, etc .. It gives you a basic insight on what assets the company has available against liabilities on the company. So in that sense, I see it as pointless to talk about how much the club had spent and how much it would spend, when you don't even have the basic material, (let alone cash flow statements and what not), you need to analyze. So I choose not to go there
Yes I do believe, a new strategy for the attack will be implemented to fit in Ronaldinho, WC striker, along with the rest .. But, there are noises from Via Turati stating that Kaka' would be slotted as an SS next season. So I guess, Ancelotti is restructuring the attack, with Ronaldinho taking up the AM slot, probably alternate .. But, yes Ronaldinho could very well be one of the strikers, and if so ? I don't see the problem in that .. I mean, do you honestly think (for the sake of the example) Shevcenko and Drogba will be two new strikers for Milan ? Where would that leave Pato ? and Borriello surely wouldn't get the chance to prove to us his worth, and Inzaghi I mean Ronaldo when he is back (IF he is back
) ... Personally, I would be all for it, bring in two world class strikers, but then again, logically, one of Pato or Borriello will barely get time on the field.Nah, Borriello isn't a replacement for Gilardino (between us, I don't think there is much to replace
) ... But yeah, a world class striker should arrive !! And whoever that striker might be, I'm looking forward I'm only saying that if the management do choose the bring back Boriello I personally would prefer us to not spend money on getting him back and instead keeping Paloschi. Yes I agree that if we do get a WC striker plus Pato and Pippo and maybe R9, then the issue you brought up (playing time) will be an issue, Boriello already said that he will not come back to warm the bench, so if we do get all our strikers back, plus the new WC striker and R9 and Pippo miraculously manage to stay fit for the season, I can only imagine Boriello wining about it, where as Paloschi would be a more for the tema kind of player. Yess he needs experiance and loaning him out might be a better idea, but I think having Paloschi as our fill-in striker (because that's what Boriello would be let's be honest here) would be better for the team in terms of someone whining for playing time.
Even so with all that went out, in terms of wages, upgrades for San Siro and ticket sales going down plus being cheaper, I still don't understand how we could be in the read, if you count sponsorship deals, winning the CL and selling Sheva, plus not really spending any money on transfers (aside from Pato) it really shouldn't add up to being in the red. But then again you are right and you have to look at the incoming and losses being drawn up on paper to know what is going on, so I'm not really going to get into it since I clearly don't have those.
Exactly, I personally belive that if R10 comes, he will be 1 of the 2 strikers, now as for the other one that could be anyone from Drogba to Vieri to Boriello. We don't really know, a lot of names have been thrown around. Now as to how Carlo decides to use the players that he gets is not an issue. But I do belive that R10 is our best option, he can play as a sub for Kaka (rotating them when the schedule gets heavy) he can play in the xmas tree formation and keep alternating with Kaka or Seedorf or be a SS striker for anyone of the strikers that we have (I personally believe that Pato can play with any type of formation Carlo chooses because he is so versatile so I don't think that he will have a problem if R10 comes. As for Ronaldo, we haven't gotten any info on him in terms of his contract so I don't think we should hold our breaths. Basically I believe that the 2 strikers could be these: Sheva/R10/Eto'o AND Boriello/Drogba/Sheva
I'm looking forward to it as much as you are
. When Pippo and R9 were injured and Pato wasn't allowed to play yet, Gila was our only striker, so imo, whether he was scoring goals or not we still need someone to fall back on if that should ever happen again
Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 27 2008, 11:59 AM
Well even R7 agrees Borriello is nothing in Genoa compared to what Gila was in Parma. And R7's feelings about Gila are about as private as the Paris Hilton sex tape.
And Pato is getting the exact same treatment Kaka got in his first season, when Rui was around. So I'm not worried much. R7 and I discussed this over an amazing shesha pipe. Pato was only allowed to do whatever he wanted in his first match. Since then he's been reined in, and fit to the team. So Carlo is not doing a Gourcuff...he's doing a Kaka. And that worked out not so bad.
As for the money you can't say...MilanLab..the entire club infrastructure it's all expensive. And we're not really getting a huge amount from the sponsors. I don't think the club can bluff about this. Coz to do so would be plain illegal...not just unethical.
Well Kaka is being played as a SS....so this mean R10 will be trequartista. So we're playing from the sound of things a 4-2-2-2. The advantage of having someone like Kaka as a SS is that, we could now have as our primary striker....
1. Either a strong target man like Drogba/Berbatov
2. A fast mobile striker like Eto'o/Pato
3. An out and out goal poacher like Inzaghi and uhm....Inzaghi(though I soon hope Paloschi too)
Kaka mixes with everything except driving. *sorry...PJ..please ignore*
Btw...I hear Nasri to Arsenal is almost done. 12 mill pounds is the deal.
P.S: I'm not gonna color code my comments. That's for Maltese school boys who can't get a girlfriend and Arab princes who've got too many.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 27 2008, 12:55 PM
IMO Gilardino has a week personality and he's...just wrong. But it would be a grave error to take his example as a paradigmatic one. Borriello is a totally different story.
You know what we have to do? We have to get into the role of our board! We have to try understand their logic (even their week sides). We just cannot expect that in 2008, opposed to 2007 or 2006 we'll do 10 big transfers. But we need to. So if Borriello is a solution that gives us more open space for Dinho negotiations or let's say Drogba negotiations I won't be opposed. If it ends up only with Flamini and Bori and no cream, we'll all expect resignations. Till then...I'm fine with Marco as a additional rotation player. We won't sign a world class GK, CB, AM and SS/F. It isn't realistic. We have to sacrifice some position...
Posted by: han2503 May 27 2008, 01:09 PM
And Pato is getting the exact same treatment Kaka got in his first season, when Rui was around. So I'm not worried much. R7 and I discussed this over an amazing shesha pipe. Pato was only allowed to do whatever he wanted in his first match. Since then he's been reined in, and fit to the team. So Carlo is not doing a Gourcuff...he's doing a Kaka. And that worked out not so bad.
As for the money you can't say...MilanLab..the entire club infrastructure it's all expensive. And we're not really getting a huge amount from the sponsors. I don't think the club can bluff about this. Coz to do so would be plain illegal...not just unethical.
Well Kaka is being played as a SS....so this mean R10 will be trequartista. So we're playing from the sound of things a 4-2-2-2. The advantage of having someone like Kaka as a SS is that, we could now have as our primary striker....
1. Either a strong target man like Drogba/Berbatov
2. A fast mobile striker like Eto'o/Pato
3. An out and out goal poacher like Inzaghi and uhm....Inzaghi(though I soon hope Paloschi too)
Kaka mixes with everything except driving. *sorry...PJ..please ignore*
Btw...I hear Nasri to Arsenal is almost done. 12 mill pounds is the deal.
P.S: I'm not gonna color code my comments. That's for Maltese school boys who can't get a girlfriend and Arab princes who've got too many.
Hey man color coding is all the rage here in Malta, just because you guys are behind on things that doesn't make us the bad guys in the world
Posted by: LaPalma May 27 2008, 03:03 PM
I agree with what Fillipo said, except for the fact I could see Borriello as starter if he does what he did for Genoa. Like I said...sometimes a players simply explodes.
Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 27 2008, 03:23 PM
I disagree about R7 comments about Paloschi being ready to lead the Azzurri lineup by 2010. 2012 or 2014 is more realistic.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 27 2008, 05:12 PM
Yeah go ahead...make fun of the token Netherlands supporter. You might break my bones...but you shall never break my spirit. Boulahrouz the cannibal shall eat up your precious Ballack. Bow down to MvB, and your death will be quick and painless. Otherwise....
Posted by: zdrossoneri May 27 2008, 06:09 PM
+1
Posted by: I_Rossoneri May 27 2008, 06:25 PM
Borriello had one good season and all of a sudden he's some sort of superstar?
As for demanding a first team spot he ought to earn it rather than expect it. Funny thing is that Gila was a sensation before we bought him and now most people want him gone! We need an experienced forward and not just a one season wonder.
Posted by: Bluesummers May 27 2008, 07:31 PM
As for demanding a first team spot he ought to earn it rather than expect it. Funny thing is that Gila was a sensation before we bought him and now most people want him gone! We need an experienced forward and not just a one season wonder.+1
Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 27 2008, 09:10 PM
As for demanding a first team spot he ought to earn it rather than expect it. Funny thing is that Gila was a sensation before we bought him and now most people want him gone! We need an experienced forward and not just a one season wonder.I'm not sure you get what we were talking about. Noone said he's the superstar. Exactly the opposite. My calculation is -
keepers - red alert
defenders and fullbacks - red alert (Zambro+off. RB/LB+a classy CB)
midfield - red alert (fresh blood+backup AM+Flamini)
attack - yellow alert (we need one that is experienced)
So you see, I doubt we'll make all big transfers. And the only section that could survive a less expensive refit is the attack. Why? Pato is great. Palo has potential and allways can be of use. Pippo is a question mark but he'll be helpfull. Gilardino was useless most of last season. So Borriello cannot do much worse then Gila allready did. If we add Dinho or Drogba to that account, Bori really is a good solution.
Also, Gila did great for only 2 seasons...so by that logic we can start calling him a "two season wonder". But that isn't neccassary and fair. And well and as I said - Gilardino's example should not be applied to Borriello or anyone else.
We're all talking Borriello was given a chance..really? When? He hardly played over 15 games in 2 or 3 years for us, and most of them Coppa-matches.
As I said - give Borriello a chance. If he's Gilardino's replacement, he hardly can do much worse the Gila allready did.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 27 2008, 10:31 PM
Mediaset is reporting that Borriello will end up at Roma, if things go to plan. The plan is that a takeover of Roma will occur this summer, and the helm of Roma is handed over to the American Billionaire Soris, then Borriello would end up at the capital.
The catch is that Milan will profit from this transaction, where Borriello has made a lot of heads turn in Italy, with Juventus, Roma, and inter showing interest in him. Price, if he transfers to Roma, is estimated to be at 20M euros.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 27 2008, 10:38 PM
The catch is that Milan will profit from this transaction, where Borriello has made a lot of heads turn in Italy, with Juventus, Roma, and inter showing interest in him. Price, if he transfers to Roma, is estimated to be at 20M euros.
Cant wait to get 20 million from the superstar
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 27 2008, 10:42 PM
And when you do, what will you do with it
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 27 2008, 10:47 PM
will go around the solar system in 80 days
Posted by: Tennie May 27 2008, 10:49 PM
I'd get the fish doll a new tank.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 27 2008, 10:51 PM
Erm, that would cost more than 20 ... I was thinking more on the lines of a Pershing 115
Posted by: han2503 May 28 2008, 06:06 PM
As for demanding a first team spot he ought to earn it rather than expect it. Funny thing is that Gila was a sensation before we bought him and now most people want him gone! We need an experienced forward and not just a one season wonder.
Posted by: I_Rossoneri May 28 2008, 06:40 PM
Oh well now that Gila's gone I hope we get a better striker than Borriello
Posted by: han2503 May 28 2008, 07:31 PM
I'm personally not holding my breath, if it happens it happens and I will be happy but if it doesn't it wouldn't be something I'm hugely dissappointed about since we've been through this scenario before and in the end got nothing
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 28 2008, 11:53 PM
there is an article which says we ahve bought him back on goal.com
Posted by: TriniKing_CE May 29 2008, 12:53 AM
Yeah I read that earlier on...
Heres is the Link:
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=714874
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 29 2008, 05:25 AM
So what is our striker situation as of now?
Pato, Inzaghi, Paloschi, Ronaldo (Injured) and Boriello? We really need 1 more top striker!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 29 2008, 05:50 AM
We need...Berbatov/Drogba, Ronaldinho, Zambrotta at least, to stand a chance at any one trophy next season. And that is we don't get cursed by injuries again.
Ideally...I'd throw in a goalkeeper, and one more creative mid. And some primavera players who can get some 10-15 games this season. So is Gourcuff leaving or staying?
R7 and I were talking about him. With the ball at his feet, the boy is Zidane with no clue what to do next. Send him out to the primavera for a year. Technique like that doesn't turn up every day.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 29 2008, 09:32 AM
the mediaset article nearly makes it official
Posted by: morgoth May 29 2008, 03:28 PM
Genoa president said that he found an agreement with Milan for Borriello. 7M€ and Di Gennaro co-ownership!
Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 29 2008, 03:35 PM
Ronaldo is almost certainly leaving for definate, Paloschi looks certain to move out on loan. Gila has already left but it appears that Borriello will come to replace him.
So far Inzaghi and Pato will remain for sure. Borriello will likely come in for at least a season. A top class forward will be required.
If Borriello gets sold then Sheva will come in to replace him. That will still leave another striker to be bought though unless the top class forward is Sheva and we do in fact keep Borriello
Posted by: Bluesummers May 29 2008, 05:33 PM
So far Inzaghi and Pato will remain for sure. Borriello will likely come in for at least a season. A top class forward will be required.
If Borriello gets sold then Sheva will come in to replace him. That will still leave another striker to be bought though unless the top class forward is Sheva and we do in fact keep Borriello
if we end up with sheva and boriello i expect galliani to resign.
Posted by: Tennie May 29 2008, 05:35 PM
Such optimism, guys. Honestly, it's a bit much considering we're still in May.
Posted by: whoarethepatriots May 29 2008, 05:40 PM
Blind speculation never hurt anyone
We might be shattered come August but for the moment let us rampantly speculate
Posted by: zdrossoneri May 29 2008, 05:41 PM
Yeah, but some used to say these words 12 months ago... "we'll get world class players here and there"... and we ended up with Emerson and Ba...
I'm sure about signing quite a lot of players, only I'm not convinced about their quality yet... Borriello... Abbiati... looks like 6 of those 7-8 players Galliani mentioned are our own players coming back from loan spells
Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 29 2008, 08:38 PM
I'm sure about signing quite a lot of players, only I'm not convinced about their quality yet... Borriello... Abbiati... looks like 6 of those 7-8 players Galliani mentioned are our own players coming back from loan spells
Let me help you see the silver lining my friend. Zvone Boban and Demetrio Albertini.
It's happened before...might happen again.
Posted by: han2503 May 30 2008, 07:03 AM
It's happened before...might happen again. Funny Jack, but I don't think it would happen, at least not with these 2, I think we all saw the class and potential of demetrio ond Boban, but can you honestly say you see that in Boriello and Abbiati?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 30 2008, 08:27 AM
Abbiati was a number one for us...sometime back. Let's not forget that. He's kinda like our David James. One of those enigmas...who can be very good...but also pretty bad.
He would probably have been a Milan hero by now, if Dida hadn't walked in.
Anyway, my point is the GK is not really our most crucial position. We've been waiting for 2 seasons for Kalac to screw up big...and the truth is he hasn't. That's not the same as saying he's Petr Cech...but I do think the GK can wait a bit longer.
Save up the cash from the GK...and pay the extra that clubs are asking for. In our case Zambrotta and whoever the SS is.
Posted by: m1ke May 30 2008, 11:06 AM
I'm not sure how much we're going to pay, but 7m euros for a home grown striker who scored 19 goals in Serie A last season is a good deal. I'm not his biggest fan, but that's not because I think he's under performed, I just haven't seen enough of him to pass judgement.
Agree with the majority here that we need another 'World Class' forward, but we owe it to Borriello to at least let him fight for a starting spot in the squad. That's what we were missing last season - competitive squad depth.
Posted by: han2503 May 30 2008, 11:17 AM
He would probably have been a Milan hero by now, if Dida hadn't walked in.
Anyway, my point is the GK is not really our most crucial position. We've been waiting for 2 seasons for Kalac to screw up big...and the truth is he hasn't. That's not the same as saying he's Petr Cech...but I do think the GK can wait a bit longer.
Save up the cash from the GK...and pay the extra that clubs are asking for. In our case Zambrotta and whoever the SS is.
Personally I think the keeper position is as crucial as Zambrotta and the WC SS would be. Klac did screw up last season but as I said to LaPalma in another thread he was just lucky that it was in a period when the team was in good enough form to make up for those mistakes. Too bad for Dida he made his screw up when the team couldn't even score 1 goal to save their lives. So imo it's just a matter of luck for Kalac that he came in when he did and had those great performances when he did.
And Abbiati was great for us in his time, but based on what he has show these last 3 seasons, I wouldn't want him anywhere near Milanello. Fact is we need a solid keeper, and I'm not even expecting a Buffon or Cech, just someone solid that we can rely on. It's not a coincedence that when we have a great keeper between the posts our defence is amazing but when we have a Dida off form or Kalac they underperform terribly and we conceed cheap goals. Confidence for the defence comes from having a keeper that they can rely on
Agree with the majority here that we need another 'World Class' forward, but we owe it to Borriello to at least let him fight for a starting spot in the squad. That's what we were missing last season - competitive squad depth.
I personally am against the Boriello transfer, the only positive I see in him is the Primavera factor. But as you said, I will give him the chance come next season to see what he can do. That's all we can really do now anyway since he is a Milan player again
Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 30 2008, 03:15 PM
Look, at this moment it's like Abbiati>Kalac>Dida>Coppola...
Abbiati is good but not enough for us. Still, he's better then Kalac. Like han said, Kalac stept in when we allready consolidated and started scoring. His overall keeping is on the level of a Barca keeper - not bad on one-on-one's, tall and can reach out, and also not that clumsy, but he has obvious week sides - his reflexes are questionable, his free-kick positioning is desastrous and his judgement also can be poor. So to me he's not even near No. 1. With Dida at least I remember he was great.
All in all the biggest problem is there's noone around who could be signed. Either too old like Sereni or too young like Lloris. We need someone with experience and not too old. IMO Frey, Chech, Enke and Beganlio only match. If not them, we could try get Coupet or the young ones - Curci, Adler, etc.
Btw. how good is the Marseille keeper Mandana (right spelling)?
Posted by: m1ke May 30 2008, 03:17 PM
I still like Boruc, but that link seems to have gone cold recently.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 30 2008, 03:57 PM
You mean that's a hint we're in deal with him? Maybe..
My prediction:
Poland has a week side who will face 3 different but hard teams-
1. Croatia - Boruc could make some good saves as we play offensive but have a nasty habit of not being allways able to finish off (lack of killer-instinct); so we easily make keepers look good.
2. Germany - motivation and Klose could do it again.
3. Austria - the home team has a history and tradition of not scoring goals easy. Ever since Matthias Sindelar and Toni Polster left..
So after the 3 matches Poland will be out of the Euro but Boruc's transfer value will be raised for 50%...
Posted by: morgoth May 30 2008, 06:19 PM
Mandanda is as good as Lloris in my opinion and is one year older, but it's his first season at the top level, Lloris is at his third.
You guys should forget about any young keeper, I said it before, Milan will never put a young keeper on the field whether we get a good keeper with experience or stay with our current keepers!
Posted by: kurtsimonw May 30 2008, 06:58 PM
Dream on!
Posted by: rjpado May 30 2008, 09:51 PM
i thought this was a thread about borriello?
on topic:
just finished watching the italy-belgium game.. borriello sucked. missed a sitter. not milan quality at all.....
Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 31 2008, 01:15 PM
han !!! We got your Gilardino replacement right here
Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2008, 02:57 AM
on topic:
just finished watching the italy-belgium game.. borriello sucked. missed a sitter. not milan quality at all.....
he was unlucky i saw the play. The ball took an ackward bounce before he could finish it. Lets judge him after euros. I'm sure he'll play more.
Posted by: Habitant Jun 2 2008, 04:20 AM
di natale, toni, del piero and even cassano are ahead of him.
Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2008, 06:55 AM
either way he'll play.
Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jun 2 2008, 02:27 PM
Only Toni is ahed of him for the CF role. The others take wider positions, and are much more effective especially Toto and Quagliarella for the wide positions
Posted by: han2503 Jun 2 2008, 03:10 PM
Well I did already say that he will be like Gila to us. I just can't see him being any more then that for Milan. Well at least Gila made it happen for the national team
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