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Fillipo Simone
post Sep 7 2006, 11:35 AM
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Frankly, IMO Donadoni did not deserved to be infront the National team as coach...and that`s it. He is just the wrong man, like Marco VB in Holland. As soon as the Federation sack him and appoint someone decent for that job, the good results will return.

Italy - Croatia 0:2

Italy - Lithuania 1:1

France - Italy 1:3

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post Sep 7 2006, 01:34 PM
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is it about the players? or the coach?

do you guys think that if Lippi was still with them, Italy would've been in this situation?
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post Sep 7 2006, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE (Costacurta @ Sep 7 2006, 09:37 AM)
WTF. He is not mentioned i the team line ups, and Donadoni would really have lost it he brought him back!

Who the hell is Semioli. I don't get why Cassano is back. Its good to see Pippo back, but, Del Piero or Gila should be his partner. Is Grosso injured or something, otherwise why wasnt he at LB and therefore Zambrotta at RB? All a bit concerning from the old Milan man. I'm astonished that that defence conceded 3 times, but I suppose it was weakened a bit.

Italy have some hard work now to qualify. Thye'll have to beat France at home I think.
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Semioli should not have been playing all he did was lose the ball, and Cassano played because he played an amazing game against Lituania, he was invisible against France though. I don't really know what the problem is, I don't really think that the players expected France to come out like that, plus the first goal they scored should have been ruled out and the second was pure luck because Buffon had that covered but Cannavaro deflected it in. You could see that all through the game the refereeing was going Frances way, Gila had a decent call for a penalty there when Coupe came out to take the ball from his feet, but what he got was a yellow for a supposed dive.

And Grosso was playing as LB and Zambrotta as RB, Grosso was just a bit invincible.

Oh and I think that Del Piero should have been called up, he is in amazing form right know, and would have helped more.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 7 2006, 10:35 AM)
Frankly, IMO Donadoni did not deserved to be infront the National team as coach...and that`s it. He is just the wrong man, like Marco VB in Holland. As soon as the Federation sack him and appoint someone decent for that job, the good results will return.

Italy - Croatia 0:2

Italy - Lithuania 1:1

France - Italy 1:3

It speaks of itself... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Come one you're being too harsh, it's his first 3 games and sure the rusults haven't been that good but the guy needs to settle in, and as I said before I don't think anyone expected France to come out playing like they did, they really wanted to take revenge for their final loss, you could see it no matter what they said that this wouldn't be revenge, you could see how much they wanted the win.

QUOTE (amancik @ Sep 7 2006, 12:34 PM)
is it about the players? or the coach?

do you guys think that if Lippi was still with them, Italy would've been in this situation?
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I think it's a bit of both, Donadoni I think will become a great coach in time, but he is a bit inexperianced, and people have to take into account how hard it is for the coach to motivate some of the players that are on that team especially the ones that used to play for Juve and our players, they have won everything their is to win in football, and it's normalfor them to feel unchallanged now that they have won everything

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FIGC vice-commissioner Demetrio Albertini has again defended Coach Roberto Donadoni, but admits their Euro 2008 hopes are hanging by a thread.

“We chose Donadoni and we’ll defend him till the end. He went around Italy and Europe to view the players and see what condition they were in, as he has to work with the circumstances right now. It’s true this is a critical time at the start of the season, but the FIGC doesn’t need to keep defending its choice.”


Albertini is the man who picked his former Milan teammate for this position, but so far Donadoni has picked up just one draw and two defeats, including tonight’s 3-1 loss in Paris.


“It was clear to everyone that France were going at 100mph and we were always second to the ball. Unfortunately the timing of this tie was bad for us. We saw a great France and fought as hard as we could in the circumstances.”

This leaves the Azzurri with just one point from two Euro 2008 games, so they are five adrift of joint leaders France and Scotland.


“It’s a tough situation now, more so for the points we dropped on Saturday against Lithuania, but you can never tell in football and it’s still early days,” insisted Albertini.


Now their chances of reaching the European Championships depend on the next two matches, taking on Andriy Shevchenko’s Ukraine in Rome on October 7 and visiting Georgia four days later.


“Mistakes can happen and the lads did well to come back into it after going 2-0 down to France. The right spirit is there and the World champions are fighting hard in a difficult moment for us. I can assure everyone that in a month’s time it will be a different Italy side.”
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post Sep 7 2006, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE (Costacurta @ Sep 7 2006, 01:37 PM)
I don't get why Cassano is back.
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he should be back, he is really good,
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post Sep 7 2006, 09:12 PM
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Donadoni is going nowhere calling players like Semioli... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Del Piero, Nesta, Totti, Camoranesi, Luca Toni... obviously should be there.

PS: Scolari, as always, fcked up and Portugal drew against the poweful Finland (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) . Without Figo there, little Cristiano feels like a Holywood superstar... what a c_nt. We're going nowhere. Specially having 1 decent defender (Meira, Miguel and J.Andrade are injuried).
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QUOTE (Portugal @ Sep 7 2006, 08:12 PM)
Donadoni is going nowhere calling players like Semioli...  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Del Piero, Nesta, Totti, Camoranesi, Luca Toni... obviously should be there.

PS: Scolari, as always, fcked up and Portugal drew against the poweful Finland  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) . Without Figo there, little Cristiano feels like a Holywood superstar... what a c_nt. We're going nowhere. Specially having 1 decent defender (Meira, Miguel and J.Andrade are injuried).
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Nesta was injured when he made his call ups and Totti is still 'thinking about it'. He didn't call Luca Toni because he hasn't even played a match except for a couple of friendlies and would be totally out of form and I don't really see what difference he would have made. Gila and Pippo both did their job, they scored, not enough but they still scored. Italy got screwed up in that Lithuania game, so many missed chances that could have assured them the 3 points, now they are seriously looking at not qualifying at all if they continue this way.

And I didn't see the portugal match but I have seen C.Ronaldo enough times to know how he is especially when he feels like he is the big star in the team, so I'll keep the portugal NT in my prayers because you'll need it.
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post Sep 7 2006, 10:59 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 7 2006, 09:48 PM)
And I didn't see the portugal match but I have seen C.Ronaldo enough times to know how he is especially when he feels like he is the big star in the team, so I'll keep the portugal NT in my prayers because you'll need it.
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Figo is a great player. But, in Portugal NT he was more than that. He was the leader.

Now, there's no big leader... there are some old big names like Costinha (Atletico Madrid), Nuno Gomes (Benfica)... but no one that can be "respected" as Figo and Rui Costa were.

That's a problem then. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Sep 7 2006, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 7 2006, 02:44 PM)
I think it's a bit of both, Donadoni I think will become a great coach in time, but he is a bit inexperianced, and people have to take into account how hard it is for the coach to motivate some of the players that are on that team especially the ones that used to play for Juve and our players, they have won everything their is to win in football, and it's normalfor them to feel unchallanged now that they have won everything
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And this is why they must have somone around who exactly knows what to do and acts instantly...As Zvone Boban recently said, young coaches should be given chances, but not on the national level. First they must get some experience in the big clubs and european cups, then maybe as NC. I think it is very clear...Donadoni should not have been appointed as Italy coach, at least not in this moment..
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QUOTE (Portugal @ Sep 7 2006, 09:59 PM)
Figo is a great player. But, in Portugal NT he was more than that. He was the leader.

Now, there's no big leader... there are some old big names like Costinha (Atletico Madrid), Nuno Gomes (Benfica)... but no one that can be "respected" as Figo and Rui Costa were.

That's a problem then. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Agree, I had forgotten that Figo had retired, I gues the golden generation had to come to an end sometime, just sad that they didn't manage to win anything during that time.
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post Sep 7 2006, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 7 2006, 10:17 PM)
Agree, I had forgotten that Figo had retired, I gues the golden generation had to come to an end sometime, just sad that they didn't manage to win anything during that time.
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Golden generation... I don't like that name. Why? Because we won ZERO with that super-golden gen.

But we've now good players too. For the future: C.Ronaldo, Quaresma, Manuel Fernandes, Nelson, Moutinho, Hugo Almeida, Nani, Bruno Vale, Moreira, Vaz Te, Carlos Martins... good and young players mixed with some middle-aged Simão, R.Carvalho, Miguel, J.Andrade, Deco... a good team in the end. But hey, we're a little country (bad for commercial reasons, etc), with or without the "golden tag" we'll never win anything.
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post Sep 8 2006, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE (mishale @ Sep 7 2006, 12:35 AM)
Poor San Marino...
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Bad bad Germany!!!! You should have shown some respect to the poor guys!!! They are all amateurs, football is not their job!!! Only one of them lives from football and you go like scoring a bunch of goals ... Shame on you!!!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

QUOTE (Portugal @ Sep 7 2006, 11:12 PM)
Without Figo there, little Cristiano feels like a Holywood superstar... what a c_nt.
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CR ... why is he always - EVERY F@CKING SINGLE TIME - doing that trick moving his feet above the ball???
At least now that Figo's out, Gomes plays ... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE (Portugal @ Sep 8 2006, 01:42 AM)
But we've now good players too. For the future: C.Ronaldo, Quaresma, Manuel Fernandes, Nelson ....
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On the France vs Italy game ...

1. France were the better side. They should have won!!

2. Well done FIFA!!!! Paolo have the balls to speak and Blatter goes hidden behind his refs again!!!! You're not worth spitting to. you disgusting b@stard!!! You think of 10 things a day ... 11 out of them are PURE BULLSH1T!!!!.
First goal was offside, Italy got something like 5 out of 100 fouls while France 10000000000000000000000000 out of 20, Vieira was not sent-off for intentionaly hitting Gila and not even a yellow for some dozens of other tough marks, Gila gets booked (at rights - it was a clear dive) while Malouda don't .... (IMG:http://www.coolsmileys.net/wink/thumbcool.gif)

3. Sacchi was right: Donadoni's not ready!! I believed in him for I always liked his work as a player and a coach but (even though he's not the only one to blame) he's doing it all wrong!!! Semioli ... MY GOD!!! Bad set up and no motivation!!!

4. I'm waiting for the rematch in Rome. Then, Italy will be ready too cause now only Milan's players (not even Zambro or Canna) were ready ... and even them not for that level while Senegal ... errr France were 100% fit!!!

5. two days before the game I remember Henry saying something about cameras, that refs should check the replay to see if everything's legal on a goal ... ":cry: Arsenal wouldn't have lost the CL final (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) " ... I didn't hear complaining now you b1tch ... do you want the first goal disallowed!!!???You pathetic, disgarceful b1tch!!!! You're the biggest pu$$y ever!!!!

6. Buffon 5 / Zambrotta 5 / Cannavaro 6 / Barzagli 5 (a good performance with the NT at last!!!) / Grosso 0 / Semioli -3 (he was given the no.7 (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) ) Pirlo 6.5 / Gattuso 5 / Perrotta 0 (he was there for sure??? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ) / Cassano 1 / Gila 7 MOM for Italy
Di Michele impressed me (for a sub) !!! Donadoni 3


edit: Oh and ... France proved once again (as in the WC) that they got a better defence than the Italians'!!!!

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QUOTE (dst @ Sep 8 2006, 09:09 AM)
On the France vs Italy game ...

1. France were the better side. They should have won!!

2. Well done FIFA!!!! Paolo have the balls to speak and Blatter goes hidden behind his refs again!!!! You're not worth spitting to. you disgusting b@stard!!! You think of 10 things a day ... 11 out of them are PURE BULLSH1T!!!!.
First goal was offside, Italy got something like 5 out of 100 fouls while France 10000000000000000000000000 out of 20, Vieira was not sent-off for intentionaly hitting Gila and not even a yellow for some dozens of other tough marks, Gila gets booked (at rights - it was a clear dive) while Malouda don't .... (IMG:http://www.coolsmileys.net/wink/thumbcool.gif)

3. Sacchi was right: Donadoni's not ready!! I believed in him for I always liked his work as a player and a coach but (even though he's not the only one to blame) he's doing it all wrong!!! Semioli ... MY GOD!!! Bad set up and no motivation!!!

4. I'm waiting for the rematch in Rome. Then, Italy will be ready too cause now only Milan's players (not even Zambro or Canna) were ready ... and even them not for that level while Senegal ... errr France were 100% fit!!!

5. two days before the game I remember Henry saying something about cameras, that refs should check the replay to see if everything's legal on a goal ... ":cry: Arsenal wouldn't have lost the CL final (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) " ... I didn't hear complaining now you b1tch ... do you want the first goal disallowed!!!???You pathetic, disgarceful b1tch!!!! You're the biggest pu$$y ever!!!!

6. Buffon 5 / Zambrotta 5 / Cannavaro 6 / Barzagli 5 (a good performance with the NT at last!!!) / Grosso 0 / Semioli -3 (he was given the no.7  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) ) Pirlo 6.5 / Gattuso 5 / Perrotta 0 (he was there for sure???  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ) / Cassano 1 / Gila 7 MOM for Italy
Di Michele impressed me (for a sub) !!! Donadoni 3
edit: Oh and ... France proved once again (as in the WC) that they got a better defence than the Italians'!!!!
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Everthing you said is the complete truth.

btw I can't wait to see how Cannavaro plays this season for Real, I'm very curios if he will be the 'inter Cannavaro' that would be funny.

And you're right The French deserved to win it by how they played, but the refereeing was total cr@p, it was so obvious how everything was going France's way, at least they should have been more subtle about it for god's sake. Blattar should take some tips from Moggi
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As I said before... Perrotta is no player for the NT. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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