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post Apr 2 2019, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE (William405 @ Apr 2 2019, 07:04 PM) *
Milan 1-0 Udinese

Gattuso's changes led to something positive.

1-1

We're going to f@ck 4th up. At this point I'm 95% sure we won't be in the CL next season.

Another game where we play badly, every final ball to the strikers is worse than bad. A million back passes and putting ourselves in uncomfortable positions due to mistakes

Bakayoko as a side mid in a 3 is just bad and Biglia isn't playing well enough to justify the shift. Kessie should be playing, we miss his industry on the side of the midfield. This is on Gattuso right now. He's making decisions that are questionable, also the shifting from the 4-3-3 due to 2 bad results is never a good sign. It reminds me of what Montella continuously did to tragic results

Juve up next and we'll most likely be out of the top 4 by next week
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post Apr 2 2019, 10:27 PM
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I think Gattuso needs to go. We made a jump in terms of position and points, but many of these games were lucky late winners whereas the whole season Milan has been dragging poor showings and mentality in big games. Under Gattuso we've lost all big games bar the one fixture with Roma. All defeats/draws against Juve, Inter and Napoli (minus some minor Coppa results).

Bakayoko should really play the central position, Biglia should get the bench. Kessie is most probably being punished. And well, we're struggling to create so the shift didn't come off just 2 bad games, it's a dump in form overall.
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post Apr 2 2019, 10:59 PM
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QUOTE (maldini03 @ Apr 1 2019, 02:45 PM) *
I agree with some of what you have said here but if you don't think Romagnoli is a great player you are way off the mark.


If he was a great player, at 24 he'd be at a better team than this current Milan (Silva left a few years older to PSG for big money back in 2012 but had been a target for departure for some time - now HE was a great defender), and have played more than like 9 times for the national side which uses a 3 at the back a lot. I think he's a fairly good player capable of some great performances, I just don't think he's a great defender. Otherwise your Man Utds, Real Madrids etc would have shown interest. The fact is this Milan doesn't have great players - if it did, we'd be a lot better than we are.

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Also, your second comment nullifies the first, you're saying that if a big club threw $50M at us for Suso that would make him a great player?


I didn't strictly say the amount, I said big bids, period (can't really bid 3M for anyone these days)? No one, to my knowledge, though, has had a bid rejected for our best players. Surely a sign you have great players is richer teams try to buy them?

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Players like Andy Carroll, Benteke, Mustafi, Bernardeschi have all gone for $40M+ does that make them all great players because someone wanted to splash some cash?


Again, not the argument I was trying to make!

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I'm not saying that these players are superstars on par with the Kakas, Pirlos, Maldinis, Shevchenkos, and Nestas of the world but that doesn't mean they are **** players who can't achieve anything. If you don't believe me check that Porto team that won the CL in 04, or the Italy team under Conte that made a run in the Euros to see what good coaching and a smart system can do. I'm not saying that this squad could win the CL but to toss them ALL aside as decent and no more is an overreaction. 9 out of 10 teams in the world would kill to have Romagnoli and the same goes for Donnaruma. Other players have amazing potential (See Calabria, Paqueta, Conti, Kessie, Bakayoko, Piatek).


Bit of an overreaction there too surely? You don't need to kill to have Romagnoli, just bid 40M by today's money and Milan will sell. But no one does, that's my point.

As for the potential - if all our players with 'potential' had realised 10% of it over the years, we'd have won UCL, Serie A and the Superbowl by now. So easy to attribute potential and then years later they're at Genoa.

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I do agree that the Chinese summer was mostly just spending money for spending's sake and most of those players have not turned into what we thought they would be, but things are looking up with the new management and the transfers of Piatek, Paqueta (first great midfield purchase in a long time) and Bakayoko. As most things, the moves that were made look poor in hindsight but at the time they were considered to be smart signings. Calha was one of the more promising, dangerous playmakers in Germany, RR was a very highly regarded LB, Kessie had just put on a show in Serie A with Atalanta, Conti the same, Biglia was a calming presence and leader in midfield and Bonucci was considered by most as some of the best business of the summer.


It's odd - you say that 'most of it was spending for spending for spending's sake' and attack the players as not turning out as we expected but then manage to justify almost every single signing in there anyway. Which is it?

As for Paqueta, he's impressed me of what I've seen of him, and everyone knows I want Piatek's children.

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I would argue that the real issue that we have had has been the lack of a coach with tactical nuance some creativity. I love Gattuso and I think he should be given the year to see what happens but he is not a tactical genius. He is a motivator which can only take you so far.


You sound just like a Rangers fan backing Steven Gerrard! I'm seeing all the same patterns as both clubs mirror each other painfully.

I do get tired of fans backing managers come hell or high water when they haven't earned it. Rino was a failure at Sion and Crete before doing ok with our kids. Where in that does he (or Gerrard) earn our backing or trust?

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Overall we have had two poor games back to back where we seemed to have run out of ideas and dried up but this team is also lacking. We have 1 good creator from midfield and he is a kid coming into his own. Our team is very young, sometimes young teams struggle but we are most definitely on the upswing. Making CL and bringing in some reinforcements will do wonders for this squad. If we get back to winning ways there is still hope from this season. We are on track to meet our goals for the first time in a long time. Rome wasn't built in a day now is the time to be patient, not rash.

Hopefully we make the CL and when the summer comes we make savvy moves that help move the needle. We aren't winning the CL next year but it would be great if 1) we were in it and 2) we showed some fire and made some noise.


We've been on this upswing of yours for 7 years. Can't help feeling there's a different feeling to upswing compared with what I'd expect of one!
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post Apr 2 2019, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 2 2019, 10:27 PM) *
I think Gattuso needs to go. We made a jump in terms of position and points, but many of these games were lucky late winners whereas the whole season Milan has been dragging poor showings and mentality in big games. Under Gattuso we've lost all big games bar the one fixture with Roma. All defeats/draws against Juve, Inter and Napoli (minus some minor Coppa results).

Bakayoko should really play the central position, Biglia should get the bench. Kessie is most probably being punished. And well, we're struggling to create so the shift didn't come off just 2 bad games, it's a dump in form overall.


Change of manager won't fix much. The players need to be good in the first place. We don't have enough of those.

Look at Utd - had a world class squad but they were horrible under Jose. Under Ole it's a whole different picture.
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post Apr 3 2019, 10:14 AM
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The players are good. They're not excellent or world class but they are a better mix then the one we had last year. And they are certainly better then Udinese or Sampdoria.

Right now we cannot change our team. The only logical step is to decide what to do right now: trust in Rino or select a new replacement already and gamble with the positive shock effect.

It's not that Rino is a tactical mastermind. So far he's shown little ideas and he's mostly clinging to one solution he thinks is optimal. The thing Rino is/was good at was inspiring and firing up the team: but I think he lost them.
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post Apr 3 2019, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 3 2019, 10:14 AM) *
The players are good. They're not excellent or world class but they are a better mix then the one we had last year. And they are certainly better then Udinese or Sampdoria.

Right now we cannot change our team. The only logical step is to decide what to do right now: trust in Rino or select a new replacement already and gamble with the positive shock effect.

It's not that Rino is a tactical mastermind. So far he's shown little ideas and he's mostly clinging to one solution he thinks is optimal. The thing Rino is/was good at was inspiring and firing up the team: but I think he lost them.


It's so easy to say 'they're better than last year' then the following year you look back and realise they weren't.

Fans veer towards bigging up current regimes/players where they can to spin positively.

They are better overall than Udi and Samp, but that's no barometer at all. They're also better than Crotone's Primavera. So what?
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post Apr 3 2019, 12:56 PM
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Only thread that's alive here so I'll put this here:

The Juve scandal of the past day has exposed Italy's ugly racist issue more than ever, and with Bonucci and Allegri both managing to condemn the victim, that club has a serious problem with blatant racists.

What a vile cesspit of a club.
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post Apr 4 2019, 03:22 PM
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You guys are too critical.

This is a midtable team and this midtable team currently sits in a European slot of the table.

The team lost a couple of games, so what? Now the team is mediocre? Have you forgotten this is a midtable team?

Then on Gattuso, what's the issue we have with Gattuso? If he does not get CL he will be gone by the end of the season. And that's that.

P.S. you guys should lower your expectations, it's not like the team will be challenging for top honors anytime soon. There has to be consistency in the structure of the team before there is any consistency in results, then we can discuss winning something.
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post Apr 4 2019, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 4 2019, 03:22 PM) *
You guys are too critical.

This is a midtable team and this midtable team currently sits in a European slot of the table.

The team lost a couple of games, so what? Now the team is mediocre? Have you forgotten this is a midtable team?


Well, no, it's the same thing?

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Then on Gattuso, what's the issue we have with Gattuso? If he does not get CL he will be gone by the end of the season. And that's that.

P.S. you guys should lower your expectations, it's not like the team will be challenging for top honors anytime soon. There has to be consistency in the structure of the team before there is any consistency in results, then we can discuss winning something.


I agree completely. As you may see from my posts since returning, my expectations are way down. And I've been more content for it.
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post Apr 6 2019, 05:39 PM
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Screwed over by the ref again this season for the umpteenth time
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post Apr 6 2019, 06:16 PM
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Forgot we were playing. One up huh?
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post Apr 6 2019, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 6 2019, 06:16 PM) *
Forgot we were playing. One up huh?

Musacchio f@cks it up
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Thats that.
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post Apr 7 2019, 11:26 AM
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Musacchio and Calabria with two stupid, stupid mistakes. Sucks cause we played some very fine football last night and didn't deserve to lose.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 7 2019, 11:26 AM) *
Musacchio and Calabria with two stupid, stupid mistakes. Sucks cause we played some very fine football last night and didn't deserve to lose.

Yep, still p!ssed off about it. After the Samp, Udine and Inter games, I was like, well, that's that. We never deserved to win any of those games so we deserved to lose.

But to see the performance we put in, and Juve still coming out on top because of 2 individual errors. Musacchio's especially was extra stupid. Dybala was going nowhere FFS! Why bring him down there???

Add to that the very clear-cut penalty we were once again denied in a crucial game, just like the one on Suso against Roma for example is even more infuriating. Because had that happened at the other side of the pitch, you know there would have been no hesitation at giving it to Juve
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