[kurtsimonw]

I know some of you guys hate stats, some might find them interesting. This is just mostly for me to dump random findings that I find interesting.
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I'll just repost the midfielders defensive contribution stats here and them compare them when offensive contribution to see if stats can give us a decent idea of who's performing well this season overall regarding numbers.

Muntari makes an average of 2.6 successful tackles per game (Less than Montolivo (3.4), Ambrosini (3.1). More than De Jong (2.4), Flamini (1.9), Nocerino (1.3))

Muntari makes an average of 1.7 successful interceptions per game (Less than Flamini (2.4), Montolivo (1.9). More than De Jong (1.3), Ambrosini (1.3), Nocerino (0.4))

If you use these 2 stats as "winning the ball back", then Montolivo leads (5.3) followed by Ambro (4.4), Muntari & Flamini (4.3), De Jong (3.7) and Nocerino (1.7)

I've used other midfielders as a comparison merely to give the stats relevance. Muntari's numbers on their own could mean anything, but used against players of a similar position gives a clearer picture.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Apr 18 2013, 10:25 AM

[kurtsimonw]

Offensive contribution: Keeping hold of the ball, using the ball well, creating chances, etc.

Key Passes per game
Montolivo (1.1), Nocerino (0.7), De Jong (0.6), Flamini (0.5), Ambrosini (0.4), Muntari (0.3)

Through balls per game
Montolivo (0.2), Muntari (0.2), Ambrosini (0.1), Nocerino (0.1), Flamini (0), De Jong (0)

Average complete passes per game
Montolivo (65), De Jong (60), Ambrosini (40), Muntari (37), Flamini (35) Nocerino (30)

Passing %
De Jong (93), Ambrosini (87), Montolivo (86), Flamini (86), Nocerino (84), Muntari (84)

Accurate "long" passes (I believe it means of 30+ yards) per game
Montolivo (11.2), De Jong (9.8), Muntari (3.8), Ambrosini (3.7), Nocerino (2), Flamini (1.1)

Successful dribbles per game
Montolivo (1), Flamini (0.6), Ambrosini (0.5), De Jong (0.3) Nocerino (0.2), Muntari (0.2)

Times dispossed per game
Flamini (0.4), Ambrosini (0.6), De Jong (0.7), Nocerino (0.9), Muntari (1), Montolivo (1.4)

Chances created (key passes + through balls)
Montolivo (1.3), Nocerino (0.8), De Jong (0.6), Ambrosini (0.5), Muntari (0.5), Flamini (0.5)

Strength in possession (successful dribbles / disposessions)
Flamini (1.5), Ambrosini (0.8), Montolivo (0.7), De Jong (0.4), Nocerino (0.2), Muntari (0.2)

Passing rating ([passes + long passes] x pass %)
Montolivo (66), De Jong (65), Ambrosini (38), Muntari (34) Flamini (31), Nocerino (27)

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Apr 18 2013, 11:22 AM

[kurtsimonw]

I've finished with 4 categories based on these stats that, basically, sum up a midfielders job overall. Strength in possession (being able to keep the ball, without losing it, before making a pass), your overall ability to pass the ball, chances created and winning the ball back for your team. I've worked out a share for each one then worked the overall number out. The number next to the name is basically an overall midfield effectiveness/contribution out of all of the players mentioned. So 100 would mean that a player is outstanding at every part of the game and overall superior to the others mentioned. Anything less than 50 and you would probably say the rest of the midfielders are carrying them.

1st Montolivo - 97.02
2nd Flamini - 81.40
3rd De Jong - 65.33
4th Ambrosini - 65.18
5th Muntari - 48.33
6th Nocerino - 41.82

It's all incredibly nerdy, I know. But I don't think this is an awful assessment. It tells us that Montolivo is easily our dominant midfielder, that Flamini plays very well, De Jong and Ambrosini do a decent job without making a huge impact on the game and that Muntari and Nocerino are poor.

This post has been edited by kurtsimonw: Apr 18 2013, 11:49 AM

[CHU-LIP]

I wonder Boateng's stats as midfielder,

[William405]

Hmm, yeah they seem pretty much expressive to the performances our midfielders on the field. Good work!

This post has been edited by William405: Apr 18 2013, 12:05 PM

[Zed.D]

Great job Kurt. he who hates stats hates the truth! these numbers speak for themselves. I must admit Flamini is doing better than I would have expected and I wonder how... must not have paid enough attention to him this season apart from the last two games where he made his presence felt.

[kurtsimonw]

Thanks guys. Flamini was the surprise for me too, but then looking back he rarely seems to play bad when I see him play.

[CHU-LIP]

Flamini is a good player, but he just needs to not do some certain things.

[milanbuf88]

Thanks Kurt! I think your calculations are pretty representative of our current situation. Montolivo is the class of the group and we desperately need to get him worthy partners. My only concern with Flamini, who I admit is doing much better than expected, is that his sample size is fairly small. Also his stupid rash tackling might make his actual impact slightly below his rating.

[han2503]

What do these stats prove exactly?

That Muntari is even worse then an Ambro on his last leg and De Jong who has played a measly amount of games with a new team in a new league??

As for Nocerino, his stats are messed up because he's had a bad season in terms of form but a blind man can still acknowledge that he's the better player and is being ignored out of spite by Allegri because he was improving a lot before he was suddenly benched again when love child Muntari returned from injury

[han2503]

Btw, thanks for the stats kurt, they really show a horrifyingly clear picture about our midfielders. I think the stats for Nocerino are the only ones that don't really illustrate the quality of the player, the other numbers are very spot on imo

[CHU-LIP]

Btw, thanks for the stats kurt, they really show a horrifyingly clear picture about our midfielders. I think the stats for Nocerino are the only ones that don't really illustrate the quality of the player, the other numbers are very spot on imo

OMG on Nocerino bit

[han2503]

OMG on Nocerino bit

Oh please, you were constantly on his back when he was one of our best players last season and scoring more then most of our strikers aside from Zlatan. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

You've always had a weird thing about Nocerino, but you can't deny that he's a good player who's had a rough season which has been worsened by the treatment from Allegri.

[X-Offender]

Yeah, I remember CHU slashing him constantly last season when he was great, so what do you expect him to say now that Noce is an easy target?

[kurtsimonw]

Btw, thanks for the stats kurt, they really show a horrifyingly clear picture about our midfielders. I think the stats for Nocerino are the only ones that don't really illustrate the quality of the player, the other numbers are very spot on imo

These stats are just for this season and Nocerino has been terrible which the stats show. But I do agree with you that he is capable of much better than this - as showed last season.

And as for Muntari, yes, it sort of does show that Muntari has little input in our team when he plays.