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Posted by: han2503 May 1 2018, 03:23 PM

So, now that we're basically at the tail end of our season, and it's yet another disappointing year with failing to qualify for the CL and potentially another season in the EL looming, looking at our squad, who would you keep, and what players or players profiles do you think we need to get this team back into the CL? Who should be moved on for good, who should be moved onto the bench and who do you think we should get (especially if the budget is limited)?

Posted by: William405 May 6 2018, 11:09 AM

Honestly, and I might be a bit contreversial with this, but I think we have a solid squad. It's not about who stays and who goes. As honestly, we don't have very bad/terrible players in the squad. What we need is 2-3 world class players, or nothing will change, no matter how smart we are in the market. We need 2 high calibre game changers in the striker and midfield positions, and we're good to go!

Do you think there have been players who were so bad that they need to goo?


Posted by: han2503 May 6 2018, 10:33 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ May 6 2018, 11:09 AM) *
Honestly, and I might be a bit contreversial with this, but I think we have a solid squad. It's not about who stays and who goes. As honestly, we don't have very bad/terrible players in the squad. What we need is 2-3 world class players, or nothing will change, no matter how smart we are in the market. We need 2 high calibre game changers in the striker and midfield positions, and we're good to go!

Do you think there have been players who were so bad that they need to goo?

Oh, yeah, I totally agree with that. The points total on the table might tell the story that we haven't made any forward strides from last season but if you ask me if we're in a better place now then we were last season in terms of squad quality, it's a no-brainer. The first 11 is definitely much better than it was last season, as you said, it just needs 3 to 4 top tier additions who can bring in experience to the team (which Rino has repeated multiple times so this will be our strategy) to make it competitive.

But once you go past the first 11 there's definitely a lot of work still to be done. If we do get those 3 top class additions, that means 3 current starters move to the bench, which already improves the quality there. However, I do think that there are players who are completely redundant to the squad and should leave and be replaced by players who can offer more to the side, even if they're rotation players. Look at Juve for example, they have bench players who can come in and change games, that's what we used to have in the past as well. I'm not saying I want a Douglas Costa on the bench as well, that's not going to happen anytime soon, especially without CL football, but aside from those 3 top players, we should look into replacing guys like Monto, Antonelli, Borini (he's a good utility player, but as a winger option he definitely needs to be replaced) and bring in players who can at least make some sort of an impact if they're called upon during games or be reliable replacements if that's what's needed

Also we need to look at some of the more high profile players as well and really think about what to do with them.

- Kalinic: He just has to go. He gets booed at the San Siro for coming on the pitch. We have to look into selling him and try to recoup a bit of what we spent on him.

- Cutrone and Silva, both a very talented players, but we can't have both sitting on the bench if a top striker comes in. Both of them need game time and they won't get enough of it. So one of them should go on loan.

- Locatelli: It depends on what kind of midfielder we buy and if Monto stays another year. I just think that his growth is being stunted by sitting on the bench so much, he needs to play. Atalanta are going to lose Cristante this summer, that's the perfect place for him to go and really hone his skills under a brilliant coach like Gasperini. We should really offer him to them on a 2 year loan. He could get regular time there and really develop, come back ready to take the mantle.

- Donnarumma: Honestly, I'm hoping we get a really good offer for him this summer. I'd cash in so fast his and Raiola's heads would spin if it were up to me. We need to get rid of him and his agent at this point. He's been bad this season, let's all be honest with ourselves. After the massive contract we gave him and bringing in his brother all to appease him. A goalkeeper his age should not be weighing down our wage bill by 12m gross. Anything in the region of 70m and we should cash in on the spot. Give that kind of money to a real star outfield player.

- Suso: There are a lot of rumours surrounding him, especially with the release clause he wanted in his contract. If anyone activates that, I won't really lose any sleep over it, it's 40m for a guy we got for free and has really reached a plateau imo. Him and Donna could really give us a lot to play with in terms of liquid cash. Sure this would give us the added headache of bringing in another winger but I'd go straight to Chelsea with that money and try to get Willian


As for the rest, the only guys I think we should absolutely hold on to at any cost are Romagnoli, Bonucci, Calabria, Kessie, Hakan, Cutrone, Conti, Silva and Locatelli (ones in italics should be loaned). The rest are all replaceable

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 8 2018, 09:51 AM

I think the key in this summer ventures lies in building, not starting from scratch. Therefore I'd try to hold onto players like Suso or Donna - of course under normal conditions. As soon as some of them start playing the kind of shenanigans Donna/Mino played last summer we should act quickly and get the most of it (money).

But let's keep a wider core of players, let's get rid of the ones that are either useless like Kalinić or not suitable for our plan/development.

Posted by: han2503 May 8 2018, 07:55 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 8 2018, 09:51 AM) *
I think the key in this summer ventures lies in building, not starting from scratch. Therefore I'd try to hold onto players like Suso or Donna - of course under normal conditions. As soon as some of them start playing the kind of shenanigans Donna/Mino played last summer we should act quickly and get the most of it (money).

But let's keep a wider core of players, let's get rid of the ones that are either useless like Kalinić or not suitable for our plan/development.

Suso I'd keep if he doesn't want to leave, because losing him would create further troubles. But my point was that he wanted a release clause in his contract so if someone comes in and activates it, then you have to sell up unless the players refuses the club that activates it

As for Donna. I will stand firm on this one. If a good enough offer comes in, we should not hesitate. He is the reason as to why Raiola is creating problems. I have no doubts in my mind. We've had and currently have other clients of his and have never had any issues with him. Donna has been playing a game since last summer and when fans turn on him he turns into the helpless child who's being victimised. Sorry, I don't care how potentially good he can become, he's been nothing but trouble, and his performances this season have gone backwards rather than forward. This after giving him a 6m per year deal and bringing in his brother for another mill.

The keeper is the least important role in the team. We have Reina coming in who is a very capable keeper and at this point in time better than Donnarumma. Especially going by this season's performances and the amount of mistakes he's made. I say cash in

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 8 2018, 09:30 PM

Good God, Reina is crap. If Donna goes out we need to think of Perin or someone in that caliber.

Posted by: han2503 May 9 2018, 07:40 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 8 2018, 09:30 PM) *
Good God, Reina is crap. If Donna goes out we need to think of Perin or someone in that caliber.

He's been far more consistent than Donna this season who has a large number of mistakes and easy long range shots against him

Reina can cover the position without too much fuss for the next 2 years imo

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 9 2018, 08:57 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 9 2018, 09:40 PM) *
He's been far more consistent than Donna this season who has a large number of mistakes and easy long range shots against him

Reina can cover the position without too much fuss for the next 2 years imo

With 37? Oh come on...

Posted by: han2503 May 9 2018, 09:54 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 9 2018, 08:57 PM) *
With 37? Oh come on...

He's still cutting it at Napoli. Donna has made far more errors than Reina has made this season.

We're not going to get Perin, he's going to Naples. Reina is a stop gap solution. He's a decent keeper. And I repeat, he's better than Donna at this point in time

The game today was the final straw with me in terms of Donnarumma. I really want him out badly at this point.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 9 2018, 10:01 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 9 2018, 11:54 PM) *
He's still cutting it at Napoli. Donna has made far more errors than Reina has made this season.

We're not going to get Perin, he's going to Naples. Reina is a stop gap solution. He's a decent keeper. And I repeat, he's better than Donna at this point in time

The game today was the final straw with me in terms of Donnarumma. I really want him out badly at this point.

Sadly, perhaps this game will make his exit much harder.

Posted by: X-Offender May 9 2018, 10:38 PM

Reina is 35, not 37. For at least one season he's OK. Donnarumma has to GTFO. Him and his shitty agent.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 10 2018, 06:55 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 10 2018, 12:38 AM) *
Reina is 35, not 37. For at least one season he's OK. Donnarumma has to GTFO. Him and his shitty agent.

Han said 2 years, so that's until 37. Yes, Donna can go, but I really think Reina isn't the answer/suitable for our project.

Posted by: han2503 May 10 2018, 09:26 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 9 2018, 10:01 PM) *
Sadly, perhaps this game will make his exit much harder.

Sadly, you're probably right. Which top club willing to pay the kind of fee we'd want would want him after this season? And especially after the game last night. He was literally the player who tore a hole through the team's sails. This after a summer of fiascos which he instigated. And after he extorted us for a contract that he never deserved to begin with, plus the added weight of his brother, he has continually persisted with coy games with the media. He's a tarnished player in every Milan fan's eyes and he hasn't done anything to endear himself to the faithful with his performances this season. He has simply regressed from where he was last season. Let's hope we can get at least 50 to 60m off of him this summer. We need to get that 14m gross salary off our books as well imo. That kind of money should only be given to top outfield players, not a goalkeeper with just 1 good season under his belt.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 10 2018, 06:55 PM) *
Han said 2 years, so that's until 37. Yes, Donna can go, but I really think Reina isn't the answer/suitable for our project.

He still can give us that imo. He's the starting keeper for the 2nd best team in the league. That has to count for something. Add to that, our current keeper has committed far more mistakes this season than Reina has, so essentially he'd be an upgrade.

And a stop-gap keeper solution imo is not something that will hinder our project in any way. I think selling him for good money will actually aid our project as we're not going to have a big budget to spend this summer, his sale would boost that big time (if we can make it happen that is)

Posted by: X-Offender May 10 2018, 10:08 PM

Reina is a good GK at an age that's acceptable for the position he plays. For the short term I think it's a good signing, so we can concentrate on other areas that need more focus. And hopefully we sell Donnarumma for a decent amount.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 10 2018, 11:07 PM

After this season and that kind of a fail in a final? I'm really doubtful. But perhaps...

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 11 2018, 01:02 PM

Boys you refer to Donna's feat in the final and throughout the season as if he is a seasoned veteran who is on the down trend. The lad made 100 Serie A appearances and is only 17 or 18.

These mistakes he makes today will serve to improve him.

That said, I doubt he will remain at Milan after this summer. Scores of top clubs want him. And willing to pay serious money for the future Italy #1.

Posted by: CHU-LIP May 11 2018, 09:42 PM

I don't really have much to say while I barely watch football nowadays, but I simply don't understand the decision to replace Bacca with Kalinic. Does anyone have an explanation for that?

I did see the cup final, and therefore also Donnarumma's mistakes. I do think Rossoneri7 has a point when it comes to his age. Manuel Neuer made quite a lot of silly mistakes during his first seasons, I remember well. I also wonder about what kind of effect the energy has Donnarumma has to deal with nowadays, since the whole saga. I would not be surprised if he better comes to bloom elsewhere since that has happened.

Posted by: X-Offender May 11 2018, 10:58 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ May 11 2018, 09:42 PM) *
I don't really have much to say while I barely watch football nowadays, but I simply don't understand the decision to replace Bacca with Kalinic. Does anyone have an explanation for that?


Strangely enough, a friend asked me the same question yesterday.

Hey there man, it's been forever! Hope all is good.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 12 2018, 10:02 AM

Wrong question. Bacca is detested here at MF tongue.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 12 2018, 10:04 AM

Oh and yeah, sure, Donna is young. But his posturing, behavior, greed and wage make him look like a veteran/established star, so sorry, I'm not gonna give him a free pass with the "he's still a raw diamond" excuse. Those excuses are reserved for players who behave and act according to their place and position.

Posted by: X-Offender May 14 2018, 10:31 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 12 2018, 10:04 AM) *
Oh and yeah, sure, Donna is young. But his posturing, behavior, greed and wage make him look like a veteran/established star, so sorry, I'm not gonna give him a free pass with the "he's still a raw diamond" excuse. Those excuses are reserved for players who behave and act according to their place and position.


+1

Posted by: han2503 May 18 2018, 03:09 PM

There's rumours about Liverpool being interested along with PSG. I hope this sparks a bit of a bidding war so we can get really good money from him

Posted by: X-Offender May 18 2018, 07:25 PM

Players who need to GTFO:

Donnarumma
Jose Mauri
Kalinic
Borini
Gustavo Gomez
Montolivo
Antonelli
Bacca (if he returns)

Hopefully we're able to cash in somewhere around 100M, especially from the sale of Donnarumma, Kalinic and Bacca. I read today that Lokomotiv Moscow will make an offer for Kalinic next week. We value him 25M.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 18 2018, 10:33 PM

If Milan sells Donna and Kalinic, the club technically will have a cushion to absorb the losses and be within FFP compliance. Then the focus would be on bringing in an experienced striker like Cavani.

Think Suso would leave too, which would open room for a winger to come in. Jessie was on loan so need someone to take his role if he doesn't end up at Milan.

The rest are redundant imho.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 18 2018, 10:54 PM

I would keep Antonelli, that is if we haven't already signed Strinić (who is terrible IMO). Antonelli makes a very good rotation player and bench man.

I'd rather sell R Rodriguez and get a real LB for us to work with, for once someone with both speed and offensive power. Calabria is doing good but he lacks precision and attacking intelligence, most of his effort gets lost with his imprecise crosses, passing and shooting. In moder football you gotta do better.

Rodriguez has been a major letdown. He was supposed to bring offensive power and precision but his defensive weaknesses and his slow movement make him a danger. Just think how many goals we've conceded during the last few weeks through his side.

And good God, Borini? Really? He's been a great bench player IMO and I'd definitively keep him as a team player in our roster. Sure he's not first team material but he is more then fine as a filler.

I would sell all of the other players mentioned bar Bacca. I'd rather sell Suso and bring in one experienced and one younger winger and keep the old Bacca running as a striker with Cutrone and another striker as backup.

We also have to think what to do with Locatelli, Silva and Bonaventura. I think it would be wise to cut all ties with Raiola and sell Bonaventura if an offer comes along. Then Locatelli should stay, otherwise a loan to say Lazio or Fiorentina would do good IMO. About Silva, perhaps also a loan? I'm really not sure about the kid, so far he's been a giant wast of money.

Posted by: X-Offender May 18 2018, 11:46 PM

@Fillipo I think you're being too harsh on Rodriguez. Sure, he hasn't performed as well as one might have hoped, but he's been far from the terrible player you make him out to be. Defensively I think he's good, offensively not as much. But the point is that that left side is not a priority at the moment. Same argument for right back. Calabria and Conti, once he recovers, are well enough.

The pressing matter is in attack. We need attacking power, we need goals. Our strikers are shite, all of them! We need at least two great forwards, one on the left wing and one center-forward.

Hopefully we're able to land Belotti this summer, and as for LFW, I don't know. Reus? Depay? Ronaldo? tongue.gif

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2018, 07:26 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 18 2018, 07:25 PM) *
Players who need to GTFO:

Donnarumma
Jose Mauri
Kalinic
Borini
Gustavo Gomez
Montolivo
Antonelli
Bacca (if he returns)

Hopefully we're able to cash in somewhere around 100M, especially from the sale of Donnarumma, Kalinic and Bacca. I read today that Lokomotiv Moscow will make an offer for Kalinic next week. We value him 25M.

I'd actually keep Borini. He's the epitome of utility player. And even if we have a stronger 11 and stronger bench for next season, you can never say when you'll need a player like him who can slot into any position without too much fuss

I think Bacca will stay at Villareal. They might just want to re-negotiate his option but he's as good as gone imo. I can't see him coming back. Maybe we'd get 10 to 12m for him.

Kalinic being valued at 25m is a joke. We'd be lucky to get 15m for him and not lose big money from what we'll have to pay Fiorentina

I agree with the rest. It's obvious that Donna will have to be the big money maker for us. We should try to hold out for at least 70m for him if we can. But he defo needs to go

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 18 2018, 10:33 PM) *
If Milan sells Donna and Kalinic, the club technically will have a cushion to absorb the losses and be within FFP compliance. Then the focus would be on bringing in an experienced striker like Cavani.

Think Suso would leave too, which would open room for a winger to come in. Jessie was on loan so need someone to take his role if he doesn't end up at Milan.

The rest are redundant imho.

I think Suso will stay. I can't see any top club wanting him enough to activate his clause and we'll be happy to keep him as selling him will open up another headache for us in terms of wingers. We already need to look for a proper LW. Selling Suso would mean having to go into the market and replacing him. And that's not always a guarantee that the replacement would be better.

I doubt Cavani would want to come. Our best shot at a striker is Belotti imo

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 19 2018, 06:26 PM

Would not say no to Belotti. But when I thought of Cavani, I was thinking experience.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 20 2018, 06:18 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 19 2018, 01:46 AM) *
@Fillipo I think you're being too harsh on Rodriguez. Sure, he hasn't performed as well as one might have hoped, but he's been far from the terrible player you make him out to be. Defensively I think he's good, offensively not as much. But the point is that that left side is not a priority at the moment. Same argument for right back. Calabria and Conti, once he recovers, are well enough.

The pressing matter is in attack. We need attacking power, we need goals. Our strikers are shite, all of them! We need at least two great forwards, one on the left wing and one center-forward.

Hopefully we're able to land Belotti this summer, and as for LFW, I don't know. Reus? Depay? Ronaldo? tongue.gif

Chiesa? Why not? And another top winger. Perhaps you were right after all with Depay. But Reus would be a too big gamble. If we buy German, perhaps we should think of Brandt or even Schürrle. Also give a chance to Götze who could come at a very low price. And maybe snap up a few Bayern rejects, like Rudy, maybe Coman?

What we need is a much faster and agile midfield. Just look at the game today against the Violas. Bonaventura is sooo slow. Locatelli also not adding pace, while Hakan at least tries and contributes. We need at least two new midfielders, one may be more of a gamble (like Hakan) but what we truly need is a player more adapt to moder fast counter football.

I think the fullback position is vital. Again...are you watching the Fiorentina game? Calabria made several good runs and destroyed them with terrible crossing. We can't afford having two offensively weak fullbacks. I think Calabria has to be given more time, so the left back position must be under reconsideration - Rodriguez is defensively simply too weak while at the same time slow to contribute upfront. I think you're the one who's missing all inadequacies Rodriguez has. I really don't see how he's any better then Antonelli or De Sciglio. No. We need a dynamic offensive fullback; offload RR and bring in someone who can play this position.

Posted by: William405 May 21 2018, 12:45 AM

You're complicating things guys.

For once, we have a nice structure of a team to build on, why sell anyone!?(except maybe some really useless players!)

Fullbacks: We have Calabria, Abate, Conti, Rodriguez, Antonelli. Seems more than enough for me. Mix of talent experience.

Center back: Bonucci, Romagnoli, Muscachio, Zapata?
We are more than good there as well.

We just need to be on the prey for protagonists. Exactly like the Bonucci buy! But, for an attacker and midfielder.

Otherwise, let's keep our core players there!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 21 2018, 04:36 PM

Man, what we need is attacking power with the flanks. Not a single player we have is capable of this bar Conti, who is more then questionable.

Posted by: X-Offender May 21 2018, 08:20 PM

Mirabelli: "We want to sign a midfielder who is a mixture betwen Bonaventura and Kessie, a (left) winger and a CF. Cutrone will definitely stay. Bacca will return. We think of changing two strikers (i.e. Kalinic and Silva) for a top CF. In defense we're fine"

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/mercato/mercato/milan-mirabelli-cerchiamo-un-centrocampista-un-attaccante-esterno-e-un-grande-centravanti-_1215193-201802a.shtml

Well, at least we agree that that is exactly what we need. Not sure about Bacca's return, but maybe we'll offload him again somewhere else.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 21 2018, 08:39 PM

Silva...what a waste of money.

Fillipo: "We want Mirabelli out"

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 22 2018, 07:25 PM

We have to wait for uefa decision regarding ffp which is expected late June i believe

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 22 2018, 07:48 PM

Not good.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 22 2018, 07:51 PM

Very alarming situation with no agreement i beleive that there is serious issues with our ownership finances

Posted by: X-Offender May 22 2018, 11:08 PM

We're royally f*cked. I read we might even get banned from the Europa League next season.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 23 2018, 12:24 AM

So we’re done...

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 23 2018, 09:26 AM

Apparently, we might go the legal route and claim that UEFA are being unfair with their ruling. We could go to CAS.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 23 2018, 08:32 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 23 2018, 12:08 AM) *
We're royally f*cked. I read we might even get banned from the Europa League next season.

if we get banned from Europa, does that mean uefa cannot put transfer ban as we will not be in Europe?

All in all our management is in shock as well. Now i the decision will come suppose end of June then we go into appeal our transfer campaign will be in shatters

Also i am correct to believe that UEFA cannot dock league points from us? They can give Europe ban and have given transfer ban to Real and Athletico (but both were for some different reason of poaching youth players or something?)

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 24 2018, 07:48 AM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 24 2018, 03:02 AM) *
if we get banned from Europa, does that mean uefa cannot put transfer ban as we will not be in Europe?

All in all our management is in shock as well. Now i the decision will come suppose end of June then we go into appeal our transfer campaign will be in shatters

Also i am correct to believe that UEFA cannot dock league points from us? They can give Europe ban and have given transfer ban to Real and Athletico (but both were for some different reason of poaching youth players or something?)


A Europa League ban is the worst they can do. I doubt they will. They need the money we bring in. My guess is a fine and some transfer restrictions in terms of the squad size. Again, for Europe.

Meaning we could buy top players, but we won't be allowed to play them in EL or something. I believe Inter had that situation with Kondgobia.

Personally, I don't want us to play EL, and would rather we go all in for CL qualification. I think having just one tournament to focus on, is one big reason why Inter could qualify for CL over the others.

Posted by: X-Offender May 24 2018, 10:58 PM

I don't care about the EL to be honest. I just want us to be competitive enough in Italy. But I don't know what these restrictions might imply. Fine, limited mercato, no Europe. It's all bad.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 25 2018, 05:20 AM

we need to push for a solution asap otherwise next season will be havoc

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 25 2018, 10:40 PM

The title of this thread should change.

We are going to be cornered to sell players, players like Bonucci, Donna, Romagnoli, Silva, Bonaventurva, Suso to name a few.

Then again, this is an extreme observation to adjust for expectations. Had UEFA approved the plan, we'd be here talking about one player leaving and three players coming in. But that is not the case anymore, apparently.

Posted by: han2503 May 27 2018, 08:54 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 21 2018, 08:20 PM) *
Mirabelli: "We want to sign a midfielder who is a mixture betwen Bonaventura and Kessie, a (left) winger and a CF. Cutrone will definitely stay. Bacca will return. We think of changing two strikers (i.e. Kalinic and Silva) for a top CF. In defense we're fine"

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/mercato/mercato/milan-mirabelli-cerchiamo-un-centrocampista-un-attaccante-esterno-e-un-grande-centravanti-_1215193-201802a.shtml

Well, at least we agree that that is exactly what we need. Not sure about Bacca's return, but maybe we'll offload him again somewhere else.

I honestly don't trust him to make the right buys.

We're apparently after Fellaini FFS. That's lower than low and the guy has the gal to demand 10m apparently!

We need absolute top quality to be competitive in the league. And they keep talking about 3 players but in reality we need a total of 6 new buys to improve the bench as well.

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 22 2018, 07:51 PM) *
Very alarming situation with no agreement i beleive that there is serious issues with our ownership finances

Silvio sold us down the river. He took the money knowing that this new ownership was shady af. Simple as tha really, now we're once again sitting on unsolid ground in terms of what the future holds for the club. If Li can't pay Elliot and they can't refinance the loan, Elliot will take control and it will be another waiting game to see who we'll be sold to

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 22 2018, 11:08 PM) *
We're royally f*cked. I read we might even get banned from the Europa League next season.

We could, we could also get fined or get squad limitation for the EL. I read that if we get banned from Europe out transfer budget will have to be reduced by 20m (don't know how accurate this even is)

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 23 2018, 08:32 PM) *
if we get banned from Europa, does that mean uefa cannot put transfer ban as we will not be in Europe?

All in all our management is in shock as well. Now i the decision will come suppose end of June then we go into appeal our transfer campaign will be in shatters

Also i am correct to believe that UEFA cannot dock league points from us? They can give Europe ban and have given transfer ban to Real and Athletico (but both were for some different reason of poaching youth players or something?)

No, they cannot sanction us in terms of the domestic competition.

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 24 2018, 07:48 AM) *
A Europa League ban is the worst they can do. I doubt they will. They need the money we bring in. My guess is a fine and some transfer restrictions in terms of the squad size. Again, for Europe.

Meaning we could buy top players, but we won't be allowed to play them in EL or something. I believe Inter had that situation with Kondgobia.

Personally, I don't want us to play EL, and would rather we go all in for CL qualification. I think having just one tournament to focus on, is one big reason why Inter could qualify for CL over the others.

Inter stumbled @ss backwards into the CL. No doubt that it helped that they didn't have any other distractions but it's not like they romped to 4th. EL is a good tool for exposure (in the latter stages) and it also helps the team to be more used to playing games more frequently

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 24 2018, 10:58 PM) *
I don't care about the EL to be honest. I just want us to be competitive enough in Italy. But I don't know what these restrictions might imply. Fine, limited mercato, no Europe. It's all bad.

It could be all of the above. We'll see how this effects out mercato

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 25 2018, 10:40 PM) *
The title of this thread should change.

We are going to be cornered to sell players, players like Bonucci, Donna, Romagnoli, Silva, Bonaventurva, Suso to name a few.

Then again, this is an extreme observation to adjust for expectations. Had UEFA approved the plan, we'd be here talking about one player leaving and three players coming in. But that is not the case anymore, apparently.

I can't see us selling Romagnoli or Bonucci tbh. The other I can seel us selling because they're not considered as fundamental to the team. Suso, Bonaventura, Silva and especially Donna could all go, and if we get the right prices for all of them, it would be good business imo. Especially if we can replace them with better players

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan May 28 2018, 10:54 AM

dont know how true this is https://www.football-italia.net/121974/report-li-rejected-milan-bid

but we needed something like this to happen sooner or later

Posted by: han2503 May 28 2018, 07:20 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 28 2018, 10:54 AM) *
dont know how true this is https://www.football-italia.net/121974/report-li-rejected-milan-bid

but we needed something like this to happen sooner or later

We're in such murky waters atm that it's very worrying.

The best outcome that I can see for us right now is Li defaulting on his loan to Elliot and they seize control of the club and sell it to a legitimate buyer

Posted by: CHU-LIP May 28 2018, 09:00 PM

I am afraid Romagnoli might be bought for a good sum of money by Juventus. Would be quite something, seeing Bonnuci and Romagnoli basicly swap teams within a year. Juventus getting the younger player for the future, and we the older one. Juventus definitly at the winning end then.

And how come Milan get in trouble with this fair play transfer stuff? What about PSG, Real Madrid, FC Barcelona, et cetera. Aren't they over spending like ever every season? I don't follow what's going on here. How is Milan the only big club getting into trouble? Where lies the difference?

If Milan now feels forced accepting the money for their few crystals left, then it's finito..........

Posted by: CHU-LIP May 28 2018, 09:10 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 12 2018, 12:58 AM) *
Strangely enough, a friend asked me the same question yesterday.

Hey there man, it's been forever! Hope all is good.

Hiiiiiiiiiii!

Yeah, I am kinda viewing from Helipokter view Milan i guess, and then looking at everything I am like..... Bacca out, Kalinic in, for that money? Why? How?

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 12 2018, 12:02 PM) *
Wrong question. Bacca is detested here at MF tongue.gif tongue.gif


He's been that bad for Milan? I really don't know. Based on the very little I've seen I was so so with him, but I have such a so much worse feeling on Kalinic than on him.

I haven't seen Belotti play, but he sounds interesting. He is at an age where he can either start having a great career being an outstanding leading forward, or something less. I noticed somewhere X Offender saying or expecting he would become something good / best Itilain forward of the coming years or so.

ANYWHO, it SUCH kind of buy Milan needs to do. Whoever will be outstanding great for the coming years, I don't follow enough football to really know for sure, but my God. The rumours I am reading...

Mandzukic?

Kalinic for 20M a year ago... paying this Summer after one season loan.

What kind of deals are this?

Even those who don't like Bacca, why invest so much money to loan out Bacca and buy an old Kalinic for so much?

Where is the management?

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 12 2018, 12:04 PM) *
Oh and yeah, sure, Donna is young. But his posturing, behavior, greed and wage make him look like a veteran/established star, so sorry, I'm not gonna give him a free pass with the "he's still a raw diamond" excuse. Those excuses are reserved for players who behave and act according to their place and position.


Yeah, Donna most certainly asked for such treatment after all this. He puts more pressure on himself listening to Raiola, so it's hard for me to say what this will lead him to. Modesty is an art he's missing sadly.

Posted by: CHU-LIP May 28 2018, 09:13 PM

...

It's why I liked the Silva buy so much more than the Kalinic buy last Summer. Sadly, Silva has been a disappointment so far. Outside of Serie A he seems to do well. Is there still hope, much prospect to see in him?

I read often either loan out Cutrone or Silva. Well, obviously loan out Silva then, let him have a good better season elsewehre while Cutrone is just doing fine in the Milan team. I think that's obvious choice there?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 29 2018, 05:51 PM

It depends; first we must see if the club survives all this financial turmoil. I'm really skeptical but...

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 30 2018, 08:50 PM

Our position is shaky, Yonghong is running out of time. On the other hand Elliott wouldn't be such a bad option, just that they will operate the club more efficiently to create value and sell it off. That efficiency, means cut the squad and cap the wages to manage revenue.

Elliott has circa €303M invested in Milan via Yonghong. That is a discount to what Yonghong paid. They could sell to a buyer anywhere north of €303M. But before that happens there will be a clean up, ie reducing debt. Astronomical build up of debt mostly due to take over. That happened with the Glazers at United amongst others.

But I come to think, during such low interest rate environment, Yonghong took the loan from Elliott at 11.5% ohmy.gif , meaning total due in October is €380M, this in low interest rate environment? That generally means he is high-risk client. The man also took out $400M from another bank, he only put in €100M of his own funds. He was scavenging for cash, the installments and the missed deadlines that Berlusconi got €750M (net off debt circa €550M). But Li took out that loan and will most likely default. As things stand China has shored up on funds leaving China. The solution Yonghong is looking for is to refinance the loan, ie get another loan for €380M to be repaid on better terms (or most likely worse). With the club still taken as collateral.

I believe he has the capacity to continue with deep pockets, but because the Chinese Govt has prevented these big funds from moving, he isn't allowed to take those pockets with him. Hence why the terms given to him are always going to be aggressive.

Not trying to stir up controversy, but if you can't put up 40% of the funds in a takeover, then what are you doing? All the players Milan bought and own are defacto owned by either elliott or the bank.

If you have read up till here, I'm sure you get the drift. Gattuso's inclusion in the fold is to get some disapline in the squad, as things could get pretty rough from here till the end of the summer. Will Yonghong win in the end or will Milan be tossed around and sold to the highest bidder? I'd say the latter.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 30 2018, 08:54 PM

But all options sound bad in short term span. And I really think this was our last chance.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 2 2018, 02:34 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ May 28 2018, 09:00 PM) *
I am afraid Romagnoli might be bought for a good sum of money by Juventus. Would be quite something, seeing Bonnuci and Romagnoli basicly swap teams within a year. Juventus getting the younger player for the future, and we the older one. Juventus definitly at the winning end then.

And how come Milan get in trouble with this fair play transfer stuff? What about PSG, Real Madrid, FC Barcelona, et cetera. Aren't they over spending like ever every season? I don't follow what's going on here. How is Milan the only big club getting into trouble? Where lies the difference?

If Milan now feels forced accepting the money for their few crystals left, then it's finito..........

Can't see Romagnoli being sold.

I'm not saying that we won't sell anyone of value this summer. But I'm sure the first on that list would be Donnarumma and Suso. I think Romagnoli falls into the untouchable category for the club

Well, the UEFA ruling most came because of the club's financials before the new ownership took over, so once again, this goes back to the mismanagement from Galliani. As for the new ownership, it's really not looking good. The club last week asked for further capital increase and Li sent the money over just in time through the Luxemburg company (I think the transaction happened yesterday). I really don't understand what's going on with Li just that he's shady and no one knows if he's really rich or not. Just seems like he's barely holding on by a thread. There has to be someone behind him but it's obvious that the money isn't flowing into the club like with those other teams you mentioned.

PSG and City have huge sponsorship deals with companies owned by their owners. UEFA fine them for over inflated sponsorships but nothing else. Real and Barcelona have huge revenues from marketing and TV rights which they monopolise in their league. I don't think they have any issues with FFP no matter what they spend

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 2 2018, 05:27 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 2 2018, 02:34 PM) *
Can't see Romagnoli being sold.

I'm not saying that we won't sell anyone of value this summer. But I'm sure the first on that list would be Donnarumma and Suso. I think Romagnoli falls into the untouchable category for the club

Well, the UEFA ruling most came because of the club's financials before the new ownership took over, so once again, this goes back to the mismanagement from Galliani. As for the new ownership, it's really not looking good. The club last week asked for further capital increase and Li sent the money over just in time through the Luxemburg company (I think the transaction happened yesterday). I really don't understand what's going on with Li just that he's shady and no one knows if he's really rich or not. Just seems like he's barely holding on by a thread. There has to be someone behind him but it's obvious that the money isn't flowing into the club like with those other teams you mentioned.

PSG and City have huge sponsorship deals with companies owned by their owners. UEFA fine them for over inflated sponsorships but nothing else. Real and Barcelona have huge revenues from marketing and TV rights which they monopolise in their league. I don't think they have any issues with FFP no matter what they spend


PSG and City have owners with substantial financial power. Our owner relies on bank loans to finance our mercato. That's the difference.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 5 2018, 06:02 AM

News filtering out that Li has decided upon a minority share. And it will be to an individual and not a consortium. Eases out a lot of the worries I guess, if it can come through.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jun 6 2018, 06:29 AM

Romagnoli renewal is one positive news for us.

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 6 2018, 09:40 PM

What do you guys think of the Falcao rumors?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 7 2018, 06:36 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 7 2018, 04:10 AM) *
What do you guys think of the Falcao rumors?


I'd have liked someone younger. But playing Falcao would suggest a change in tactics no? Our striker in the 4-3-3 has been more of a link-up player than a pure bomber. So now do our two wide mids exist to service the striker? A bit like the old Chelsea under Mourinho.

It might bring the best out of Jack as he would essentially be our Lampard then with runs from mid. But Rino's comments are interesting. He really talks like he's got a plan. Let's see.

As for Li - the investigation from Rai sport sounds basically like a hatchet job on Berlusca (doesn't mean it is not true). Basically Li was a front for Berlusca to launder some cash and get his company into the black. That's the refrain.

I wouldn't put it past the old dog to play that trick - however it leaves doubts as to the future of the club.


Posted by: han2503 Jun 8 2018, 07:50 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 2 2018, 05:27 PM) *
PSG and City have owners with substantial financial power. Our owner relies on bank loans to finance our mercato. That's the difference.

That they do, but FFP still wouldn't allow them to pour money in directly to the club, so they have inflated sponsorships which allows them to still be able to bankroll their clubs without facing sanctions.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 6 2018, 09:40 PM) *
What do you guys think of the Falcao rumors?

I think he's past it. We really should be looking elsewhere imo and if we're going to exchange Silva for a Monaco player we should be looking at guys like Keita or Lemar

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 18 2018, 06:02 PM

Hey guys, hope you all are enjoying your summer and world cup smile.gif

While Milan are set to enter their final arugment to UEFA, in order to salvage the least of damages from it's FFP breach. The outcome of which is this weekend. News on FI

On Milan players in the WC that I would like to see go, definitely Kalinic.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 18 2018, 09:12 PM

Kalinic isn't on the WC tongue.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 18 2018, 09:52 PM

Because he refused to enter last night. What an idiot. First by Gattuso, now in the WC. One of the worst buys we've made in the last 10 years given the money we spent on him.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 23 2018, 09:13 AM

Looks like we're heading to America!

The Ricketts (owners of the Cubs) have confirmed that they are in advanced negotiations to acquire a majority share in the club

There is hope yet! Apparently, Li did not make the capital increase of 35m required by the deadline either so Elliot might step in.

The mess Silvio left us in is truly despicable. And for him to go out straight faced and say he sold it to the best buyer for the club. He just wanted his inflated fee to get Fininvest out of hot water and nothing else

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 23 2018, 02:45 PM

Hopefully something happens. We're in a catastrophic situation at the moment.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 23 2018, 03:50 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 23 2018, 02:45 PM) *
Hopefully something happens. We're in a catastrophic situation at the moment.

I think at this point it's pretty much a surety.

I might be pretty simple when it comes to finances and business, but can someone please explain to me what the point was for someone like Yonghong Li to acquire the club at an inflated value on high rate loans and barely be able to keep hold of it for less than a year?

Anyways, the Rickett family confirming themselves the deal is in advanced stages seems to be a confirmation that it will happen, or I'd imagine that they wouldn't announce anything at all if they were not confident of the deal going through

Let's see, they've done great things for the Cubs, or so I've been reading, I don't follow baseball at all but it seems they've done a great job for that franchise.

Free spending in football similar to what PSG and City did is no longer possible, we're running a serious risk of being banned from Europe next season plus a hefty fine. This club needs to be run properly and these guys seem to know how to do that

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 23 2018, 04:27 PM

Our problem with UEFA resides in our revenues. We spend but can't keep up.

Li's problem is that China barred movement of big funds from it's banks abroad. Hence Li seems unable.

Silvio sold the club when Serie A was already in a decline. Any new owner would be faced with challenges. Namely to increase Revenue.

Whoever ends up with majority stake at Milan will be faced with challenges. It is a good thing Gattuso is the coach otherwise we'd have bigger problems in the squad.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 23 2018, 09:15 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 23 2018, 04:27 PM) *
Our problem with UEFA resides in our revenues. We spend but can't keep up.

Li's problem is that China barred movement of big funds from it's banks abroad. Hence Li seems unable.

Silvio sold the club when Serie A was already in a decline. Any new owner would be faced with challenges. Namely to increase Revenue.

Whoever ends up with majority stake at Milan will be faced with challenges. It is a good thing Gattuso is the coach otherwise we'd have bigger problems in the squad.

But other clubs in the league, namely Roma and Inter have had the same issues with revenues, Inter are still having trouble now, it's why they haven't announced any signings, they're waiting for the fiscal year to end and then they can spend, still within limits. UEFA's problem with us is more to do with the fact that our ownership is shrouded in mystery, no one knows who this Li guy is or where the money is coming from and that is what will condemn us in the UEFA ruling

As for China barring money going out of the country, this was a known issue even before the deal was done, so my question still remains, why purchase a club and then sell it before the year is even up?

True, but look at Juve, Roma and Inter now as well, Juve are the very obvious exception due to their stadium, but the fact that they go deep into the CL each year helps even more than that, especially since before last season with Roma, they were the only Italian team going deep into the competition so they get Italy's entire share of the loot.

I'm not saying there aren't challenged with owning a club in the Serie A these days, for sure there are, and it's much more lucrative to buy a PL club, but if a smart business plan is put in place, you can still thrive. Juve have been doing it for years and Roma are definitely being run well by their American owners. Suning is also turning the tide at Inter. Our problems have been festering for years with Galliani having the run of the place and being allowed to make shady deals with agents and club owners within his circle and now this lot we have now, Fassone talks the talk but I don't think he's the right man for the job and Mirabelli is obviously completely out of his depth as a sporting director for a club who absolutely needs to get back into the CL on a regular basis

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 23 2018, 10:58 PM

Mediaset says Commisso, owner of the NY Comos, has an advantage over the others to become the new shareholder.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 27 2018, 06:49 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 23 2018, 10:58 PM) *
Mediaset says Commisso, owner of the NY Comos, has an advantage over the others to become the new shareholder.

Looks like talks have broken down as Li wants to insight a bidding war.

Honeslty do not understand why someone who risks losing everything would pull out of a deal like the one that was being reported. Absolute bonkers stuff.


And it's official as well, we're banned from Europe for next season, and the following season, should we qualify, would depend on our finances as we could be banned then as well. This would literally make our season useless next year as there is no goal for us if Europe is off the table. A total disaster for this club at this crucial point. UEFA should be ashamed as well. It's high time the big clubs really start discussing that Super League. How a corrupt entity could punish certain clubs and not others. If clubs like Real pull out of their competition it's over for them, and imo this is what needs to happen


Honestly, there couldn't be a worse day for us. This club is in free fall. The management is absolutely clueless, our brand name is suffering serious and irreparable damage. Silvio literally sold us down the river.


I've lost hope for the mercato and for next season. Inter are signing players like Radja and we're sitting out in the cold, getting banned from Europe, disaster in the ownership department and have literally no transfer prospects aside from probably losing our best players that is

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 27 2018, 07:05 PM

It's a disaster. A complete, utter disaster.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 27 2018, 10:25 PM

At least Milan is rid of Galliani 96.gif

But in all seriousness, yes this is serious. Galliani maintained a team that was within FFP reality for Milan and as such had ring-fenced its balance sheet. However Li’s takeover, which involved heavy leverage, started out with a splash of 200M on new players with substantial increase in wages (Donna and Bonucci come to mind). This brought the camera lights flashing. Not for long now, creditor is coming knocking. Eliott could sell Milan as a whole or player by player and asset by asset till it recovers 380M.

Any new investor or group of investors could provide us with comfort at this point. Just that we’d be kicking the can down the road again for the same problem arising at the end of next season. Why? Because Milan’s revenue is give or take the same. Without CL money, BIG sponsorship and increase in TV income, Milan’s revenue is not going anywhere.

Milan’s €191.7m in revenue taken in during the 2016-17 season; compare that to PSG’s €486M, Madrid’s €675M, United’s €581M, Chelsea’s €368M, City’s €473M, ... (Milan’s highest ever revenue in the history of all of Milan was a staggering €234M in the 2004-5 season.) oh yeah, and dont forget we wont have UEFA income from TV for next season so revenue is lower by default heading into 2018.

To put things into prespective; Significant revenue increases in other leagues – namely the English Premier League – have seen a slew of clubs jump ahead of Milan. In fact, all Premier League clubs have seen revenues increase by some 70% since the implementation of the new Sky/BT domestic television deal in 2016-17. While Spain has its exclusivity for their stellar sides.

Italian clubs simply can’t keep pace. Serie A is not due another TV deal until 2021 and its current value is less than half that of the Premier League. (I know I know, Juventus, Napoli, inter, Roma, etc etc ... they definitely have better management and stable ownership; wasnt the case always, Juve were demoted and reatructured plus new stadium, Napoli came back from oblivion in SerieB/C with stability and gradual improvement over years, Roma during Banks intervension to sell club from Sensi to Americans wasnt smooth, Moratti’s sale of inter was not smooth, they went through three owners in a couple of seasons.)

In closing, Milan cant qualify for CL unless it breaks FFP rules, which means exclusion and around we go king.gif

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jul 4 2018, 01:55 PM

Read this sometime last week

QUOTE
Li has an October deadline to repay the €380m he owes Elliot Management, but it has been said that the American investment firm would own 100 per cent of the club should he fail to come up with the money in time. There is also a July deadline to repay a separate €32m to Elliot.

The initial value of the Elliot loan was €303m, inflated by interest, meaning the company would own Milan having paid out just a fraction of what the club was bought for two years ago. That has led some to suggest they are pulling the strings and told Li to reject the Commisso deal.

In theory, Elliot could go on to make an enormous profit by reselling Milan at market value.


Source:
https://www.90min.com/posts/6101578-ac-milan-takeover-falls-through-after-owner-li-yonghong-reportedly-changes-terms-of-500m-deal

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 5 2018, 10:51 AM

So, is there any hope?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 5 2018, 11:13 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 5 2018, 01:51 PM) *
So, is there any hope?


Today is the last day, 6th i believe, no 30M, Elliot begin proceedings to take over Milan. Then sell at a price north of eur400M. This last offer was 500M iirc.

Is there hope that someone out there will buy for less than Li’s asking; ie Elliott if li defaults will effectively buy the club for 380M, if Commoso bought from Elliot at 500M (150M to transfer market) then Elliot will make a better return than allowing Li to sell to another.

Things should start unfolding today.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 7 2018, 11:26 AM

I'm still not sure what a best case scenario or worst case scenario would mean to us.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 7 2018, 09:01 PM

Ironically they are the same at this point. Li is no longer owner, technically. As such, Elliott is the new owner. Until further notice.

Posted by: han2503 Jul 20 2018, 03:10 PM

Yep, the club is now in Elliot's hands, and according to what came out from the CAS hearing yesterday, they plan on keeping it for at least 3 years and re-structure it completely. I think this is for the best.

How Li came about is still a mystery to me, and imo, it has to be something corrupt that went down. It just doesn't make any sense that he would not take the Commisso offer only to let Elliot take possession of the lcub and he loses out on over 500m. Just ludicrous to think that this is how it played out by accident. Something awful smelling went down, either between Li and Fininvest/Silvio or between Li and Elliot, because it just doesn't make any sense for himto default on the 38m and hand over the club when a 500m offer plus a 25% share is on the table. In no alternate universe does that make any sense

Anyway, I think this is really what the club needs, to finally be run like a proper business. And maybe we won't be back as quick as we'd all hoped after Silvio sold the club, but to finally have a healthy business operation in place is what this club has been craving since Silvio took his eye off the ball and allowed Galliani to run amok

Fassone and Mirabelli need to be shown the door as well. Both have proven to be incompetent in the roles they were given by equally incompetent people.

Posted by: William405 Jul 21 2018, 02:29 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 20 2018, 05:10 PM) *
Yep, the club is now in Elliot's hands, and according to what came out from the CAS hearing yesterday, they plan on keeping it for at least 3 years and re-structure it completely. I think this is for the best.

How Li came about is still a mystery to me, and imo, it has to be something corrupt that went down. It just doesn't make any sense that he would not take the Commisso offer only to let Elliot take possession of the lcub and he loses out on over 500m. Just ludicrous to think that this is how it played out by accident. Something awful smelling went down, either between Li and Fininvest/Silvio or between Li and Elliot, because it just doesn't make any sense for himto default on the 38m and hand over the club when a 500m offer plus a 25% share is on the table. In no alternate universe does that make any sense

Anyway, I think this is really what the club needs, to finally be run like a proper business. And maybe we won't be back as quick as we'd all hoped after Silvio sold the club, but to finally have a healthy business operation in place is what this club has been craving since Silvio took his eye off the ball and allowed Galliani to run amok

Fassone and Mirabelli need to be shown the door as well. Both have proven to be incompetent in the roles they were given by equally incompetent people.

I wish I can be as optimistic as you. I don't know, I see no proper plan yet..

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 21 2018, 08:59 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Jul 21 2018, 05:29 PM) *
I wish I can be as optimistic as you. I don't know, I see no proper plan yet..


Likewise, it's a hedge fund. The only plan they have is to sell at the best price they can get. All the in between is extracting as much value for a potential sale.

Posted by: X-Offender Jul 21 2018, 09:18 PM

The club will be sold eventually, but only after it has been brought back on its feet which obviously will increase its value and Elliot will make a profit out of it.

Good thing that Li, Fassone and from what I read Mirabelli as well are out. Leonardo’s appointment is a positive decision IMO. Hopefully we can get Conte, too.

Posted by: han2503 Jul 24 2018, 03:28 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 21 2018, 09:18 PM) *
The club will be sold eventually, but only after it has been brought back on its feet which obviously will increase its value and Elliot will make a profit out of it.

Good thing that Li, Fassone and from what I read Mirabelli as well are out. Leonardo’s appointment is a positive decision IMO. Hopefully we can get Conte, too.

I don't think Conte will be a possibility for now, I read that he wants a break and to settle his legal dispute with Chelsea, but if Rino has a sub-par season, I can see Conte replacing him.

As for Leonardo, I like the moves he made with PSG, but he won't have that kind of budget to work with at Milan. He's definitely got a great eye for talent, not to mention great connections. I don't know if he'll actually be the sporting director though. I've just been reading the director of the technical area. Whatever that means.

A lot of talk of Gazidis coming in as well and Gandini is also almost confirmed. Plus Maldini is supposedly in talks too. So they're definitely planning to build a very strong sporting and business minded group of people to manage the club.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 25 2018, 08:05 AM

If Leonardo is the new SD, I can't see Rino staying. They had a massive fall out as player and coach, and later when he quit to join Inter it just got worse. There are stories they've put it behind them, but I'm really not sure.

Posted by: han2503 Jul 25 2018, 09:15 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 25 2018, 08:05 AM) *
If Leonardo is the new SD, I can't see Rino staying. They had a massive fall out as player and coach, and later when he quit to join Inter it just got worse. There are stories they've put it behind them, but I'm really not sure.

We'll see.

Lot's of stories about Conte today

I don't want to see us burning another bridge with a former player of the stature of Rino, but a shot at Conte is too good to pass up

Posted by: Forza Milan! Jul 26 2018, 09:50 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Jul 21 2018, 03:29 PM) *
I wish I can be as optimistic as you. I don't know, I see no proper plan yet..

They are replacing the entire management team, a plan will follow ...

Posted by: Forza Milan! Jul 26 2018, 09:54 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 21 2018, 09:59 PM) *
Likewise, it's a hedge fund. The only plan they have is to sell at the best price they can get. All the in between is extracting as much value for a potential sale.

True, but they are not going to "extract value" unless there is value to extract. So they will focused on "creating value" (or at least not "destroying value"). And you have to assume they have good "business sense". All of this is good news AFAIAC.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Jul 26 2018, 09:56 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 25 2018, 10:15 PM) *
We'll see.

Lot's of stories about Conte today

I don't want to see us burning another bridge with a former player of the stature of Rino, but a shot at Conte is too good to pass up

You could argue that we burned bridges with Leo, and yet ...

Posted by: han2503 Jul 31 2018, 11:55 AM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jul 26 2018, 09:56 PM) *
You could argue that we burned bridges with Leo, and yet ...

True.

Leo denied the Conte stories, but they won't seem to go away.

I think if there is any shot at Conte this season, Elliot will want Leonardo to take it.

They want instant CL, it's part of their 3 year plan to increase the value of the club, without it we'll continue to fall behind. Rino, unfortunately is a gamble, whichever way you look at it. Conte will provide certain guarantees imo, so going by what I assume is Elliot's MO when doing business, if they have a shot, the won't hesitate and won't let any sort of sentiment get in the way of that.

Hopefully we can still retain Rino if it were to come to that

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