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post May 5 2006, 09:34 AM
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Juventus General Director, Luciano Moggi, is no stranger to controversy in his role as the Vecchia Signora’s ‘Consigliere,' accusations usually washing off the influential exec like water off a duck’s back. The latest reports emanating from Italy would, however, suggest that this particular duck may be in for a roasting if allegations published in Italian broadsheet ‘Corriere Della Sera’ are true.
The whiff of scandal can be sniffed back to the 5th of last month when the Italian Football Federation received a report from the Turin attorney general’s office – also submitted to the Rome attorney general’s office and UEFA, as published in the "Gazzetta Dello Sport."  Said report alerted to the fact that wire taps had been placed on Moggi’s lines to unearth what could be match rigging.

According to the first reports, Luciano Moggi, an Italian Federation VP (Inocenzo Mazzini) and Pierluigi Pairetto – the retired international ref turned referee selector for Serie A – have been exchanging more than recipes for Bracciola.  This heady brew has been stewing for the past month and seems to have cooked up a tasty scandal after the respected ‘Corriere Della Sera’ published (alleged) transcripts of conversations held between the Juve Capo and what could be some willing allies in high places.

The full list of iffy conversations runs to a jaw-dropping 100 pages of chat that is rich with implications that the Bianconeri boss has been using foul as well as fair play to ensure that the Old Lady is helped through the Italian league and shown a sparkling Scudetto.  Explosive stuff, indeed, but before rival fans and incensed fair-play-followers’ heads start exploding in crimson apoplexy, it must be noted that the bulk apparently dates back to last season.  So far.

The case is being excavated by Turin deputy attorney general Raffaele Guariniello with the help of Gianfranco Colace and Sara Panelli. The conspicuous absent face from this list of potential shame is Pairetto’s colleague Paolo Bergamo, actually on the UEFA refereeing panel and – fortunately – not in any of the ‘friendly chitchats’.  Keep your eyes peeled for a Goal.com full transcription of the words that may strangle, pluck, stuff, roast, slice and gobble a rich duck.


Phone Coversation

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One of them appears to show that Pierluigi Pairetto arranged a friendly ref for a Champions League match in the Amsterdam Arena – Urs Maier – and was expecting to be ‘remembered,’ something that Moggi guaranteed would happen.

Another (in two parts) introduces a novel form of payment – a Maserati.  It would appear that Moggi turned to Juve supremo Agnelli (of automotive fame and enormous fortune) for a sports car that would be ‘a gift’ for ‘a friend’ who turns out to be Enzo: none other than Innocenzo Mazzini - the Italian Federation VP.

Goal.com encourages readers to judge for themselves if the conversations really are proof of ill-will and wrong-doing or just a friendly conversation between old pals blown up by a wave of anti-Juve hysteria.  Can this blow Serie A out of the water – or is it just a bubble of flatulence in a Jacuzzi?


CONVERSATION BETWEEN MOGGI AND PAIRETTO (11th August 2004)
   
Moggi and Pairetto (the vice-President of the Uefa Referees Commission) speak on the phone about the Champions League first leg of the preliminary round between Juventus and Djugarden which ended 2-2.

Pairetto: Hello
Moggi: Gigi? Where are you?
Pairetti: We left
Moggi: Oh, what kind of f…. referee did you send us?
Pairetto: Oh, Fandel is one of the first…
Moggi: I know, but Miccoli’s goal is valid
Pairetto: No
Moggi: Why not? (…) But then all throughout the match he caused problems to us
Pairetto: I did not like the assistants overall, no, but I was thinking about someone else, the one that had raised was the one of Trezeguet which I remember in front.
Moggi: That is something else (…) Now be careful in Stockholm, eh?
Pairetto: This surely is a match…
Moggi: No, we’ll win, you know…
Pairetto: But they are poor
Moggi: But with someone like this it’s difficult, understood?
(…)

The conversation shifts to a discussion about some summer friendlies:

Moggi: Oh, at Messina send me Consolo and Battaglia
Pairetto: Eh, I already did it
Moggi: And who will you send us?
Pairetto: I think Consolo and Battaglia
Moggi: Eh, with Cassara, eh?
Pairetto: Yes
Moggi: And at Livorno, Rocchi?
Pairetto: At Livorno Rocchi, yes
Moggi: And for the Trofeo Berlusconi Pieri, please
Pairetto: We have not done it yet
Moggi: We shall do it later
Pairetto: Ok we’ll do it later.

CONVERSATION BETWEEN MOGGI, MORENA AND MOGGI (24th August 2004 – on the eve of the Champions League second leg match against Djugarden)

Moggi: Hello?
Morena: Mister Moggi, hello. I wanted to announce to you the referee and assistants for tomorrow night’s Champions League match
Moggi: Who’s the referee, Cardoso?
Morena: No, I see Poll Graham’s name
Moggi: Uhm…Where is he from?
Morena: He’s English
(…)
Pairetto: Hello
Moggi: Good morning
Pairetto: Hey there, good morning!
Moggi: Oh, what about Cardoso, eh?
Pairetto: Eh
Moggi: Paul Green (Moggi actually confused Graham Poll with Paul Green)
Pairetto: What?
Moggi: Paul Green
Pairetto: Then something must have happened in the last moment, I have Cardoso, something must have happened… he must have been sick or something like that
Moggi: Inform yourself
Pairetto: Yes yes, I will

Two weeks before the first group match of the first phase of the Champions League (2004/05 season) in program on the 15th of September, Pairetto announces the referee of that match to Moggi (the game ended 1-0 for the Bianconeri)

Moggi: Hello
Pairetto: Hey there, I know you forgot all about me, but I didn’t.
Moggi: Come on…
Pairetto: I placed a great referee for the Amsterdam match.
Moggi: Who?
Pairetto: Meier
Moggi: Great!
Pairetto: You see that I still think about you, even though you don’t anymore…
Moggi: Don’t start, now you’ll see, when I’m back, that I didn't forget you.


CONVERSATION BETWEEN MOGGI AND GIRAUDO (14th August 2004 – the two Bianconeri managers talk about the referee designations)

Giraudo: We see immediately what kind of air there is; you have any news of how the atmosphere is there at Sportilia?
Moggi: Good, good with Gigi (Pairetto)
Giraudo: But it’s not like last year?
Moggi: No, no, with Gigi it’s great
Giraudo: But now we tell him to work hard for this crow, because we cannot go on with this d… head


CONVERSATION ABOUT A CAR FOR AN IMPORTANT FRIEND

Man: Agnelli’s house, good morning
Moggi: Good morning, I’m Moggi. I need Nalla
Nalla: Hello Luciano
Moggi: I need urgently, because we need to do…
Nalla: Yes
Moggi: For an important friend, a Maserati
Nalla: Yes
Moggi: Four-door
Nalla: Four-door?
Moggi: Yes. We give you a week’s time, ten days, ok?
Nalla: Ok

Enzo: Hello?
Pairetto: Enzo?
Enzo: Hello Gigi
Pairetto: Listen, I wanted to tell you that I practically have the car.
Enzo: Which?
Pairetto: So when we want to go pick it up there is practically available the Maserati.
Enzo: Come on
Pairetti: Yes, therefore
Enzo: Madonna!
Pairetto: Now when I’m back home tomorrow I will call directly the Royal House.


Mazzini On Carraro (The FIGC vice-President and Moggi speak to each other on the 6th of September, about the federal elections and a meeting with the referees)

Mazzini: For this ***.... (referred to Carrara), don’t forget that he thinks that, also if he passes like he normally wants, he will win. Instead you must stick it up his a… Don’t forget
Moggi: Ooh if I tell you let me talk to him, then tomorrow I have the appointment
Mazzini: Ok
(…)
Mazzine: On Friday I’ll do the referees
Moggi: On Friday I will come too
Mazzini: I told Anto’ and he told me that he won’t come
Moggi: Let it go, that’s a hybrid environment, the less that someone blends in, the better it is, and it’s not worth it to stay far away: I will make one take part or I will take part, or I will send Alessio


CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN MOGGI AND SON

(10th September 2004)

Alessandro Moggi: …the other day, take it as an information, then I don’t know, I met up with Preziosi (former President of Genoa) lit it always happens
Luciano Moggi: Uhm
A. Moggi: He started telling me how football is changing, you must be careful of this and that, Carraro, Galliani, then he tells me not to trust Montezemoli. I ask him why? Because I overheard a conversation at Juve, they want to kick everyone out except for Giraudo
L. Moggi: Yes, but this is b…..
A. Moggi: I’m telling you what I heard, since many times Preziosi is this kind of environment, he’s in it.
L. Moggi: He’s never there
A. Moggi: Well, dad, I’m telling you because...
L. Moggi: It’s exactly the other way round


(19th August 2004)

A. Moggi: Morabito (agent) called me, in particular Vigorelli (agent), to find out if you wanted to make an exchange of loans for Liverani
L. Moggi: No, no. They work for Lazio now?
A. Moggi: What do I know, that’s what he told me
L. Moggi: Damn it, since that one hooked down there, but I want to talk with him, because they gave them Lopez and they want to give them Marquez, eh?
A. Moggi: Eh, I know
L. Moggi: Therefore it’s certain that they managed to get in a little, because they cannot go in much there, unless Cinquini (former Sports Director of Lazio) does not work anymore for Lazio


(28th August 2004) Talking about Miccoli

L. Moggi: I asked Lotito for 10 million and he told me 5, no? You must tell him: look, I can convince my father to do it for 7.5 million. Tell him some stories at the beginning
A. Moggi: Ok

Luciano then calls a friend of Miccoli

L. Moggi: Tell him to be less stupid, otherwise I won’t let him be called up for the National team, so I pass a judgement on him, because I will send him to the National team.


CONVERSATION WITH BISCARDI (TV PERSONALITY AND JOURNALIST)

Biscardi: Hello?
Moggi: Can I speak with Doctor Biscardi?
Biscardi: It’s me
Moggi: I’m Luciano Moggi
Biscardi: Uehh….Lucia
Moggi: So yesterday I called here our friend from Trieste…Baldas (former referee designator and commentator on the TV program “Il Processo di Biscardi”). I gave him a good talking, but there was no need. He does not have any fault
(…)
Moggi: But if he doesn’t come I won’t get anyone else, why should we kill the league off?
Biscardi: No, you won’t kill f…. anything, maybe you killed it off last season, you should give me 40 million, you bet with me and you lost
Moggi: Aldo, but I…you’re like an insured clock, what can I say?
Biscardi: And where is it?
Moggi: And you know that when I tell you…
Biscardi: And I don’t know. You never send it…
Moggi: F… off, I gave you one, it cost 40 million. 
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post May 5 2006, 09:58 AM
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WTF, Juve are pathetic!!!!
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post May 5 2006, 03:54 PM
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Unfortunately nothing will happen to Juve as they generate an enormous amount of money per season (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) . You will find that any referees involved will now become outcasts and Moggi will probably be fined - if it was any other club then they would be heading for Serie C2 (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

At least we now know the truth about Juve. They might be on course for their 29th Scudetto, but many of them are tainted with scandal - not something to be proud of IMO.
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post May 5 2006, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ May 5 2006, 03:54 PM)
Unfortunately nothing will happen to Juve as they generate an enormous amount of money per season (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) . You will find that any referees involved will now become outcasts and Moggi will probably be fined - if it was any other club then they would be heading for Serie C2 (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

At least we now know the truth about Juve. They might be on course for their 29th Scudetto, but many of them are tainted with scandal - not something to be proud of IMO.
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Spot on !!

I dont believe Juventus will get punished for all this mambo jumbo . But I know if it was Inter , Milan , or any other team we could say goodbye to the lovely smell of Serie A.

I know this probably end up with a warning for Moggi , dont know , but I dream of that moment when Juve gets relegated !! Just imagine how cool serie A would be (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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People, remember that Seria A is Italian chempionship.

And what you think of when others say Italian (beside's football)
I personally think of mafia. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
And Berlusconi is in mafia and Moggi is in mafia, or they are mafia (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) , and whole Seria A is under mafia control!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Nothing is gonna happen to him or to anybody.

In football, what matters, is the result in the end of a match.

No one give a damn if they use doping or about the referees. The result. THE FINAL RESULT.
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Here is an online petition to sign against Moggi and juve and to hopefully get them relegated: Clicky? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ May 6 2006, 07:39 AM)
Here is an online petition to sign against Moggi and juve and to hopefully get them relegated: Clicky? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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QUOTE (Warchant @ May 6 2006, 04:00 PM)
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QUOTE (Diavolo @ May 7 2006, 01:18 AM)
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Italian Scandal: The Rash Erupts

Exposure of the extent of the scandal that is rocking Italian football to the core continues, with la Gazzetta dello Sport reporting that the Napoli magistrates investigating alleged wrong-doings by Juventus director Luciano Moggi and associates during the 2004/2005 season have revealed the names of the teams alleged to be involved in illegal activities.
La Gazzetta dello Sport’s first page indicates that, as well as Juventus, the teams currently under investigation are Fiorentina, Lazio, Udinese, Siena, Messina, Arezzo, Crotone, and Avellino.

The report adds that intercepted phone calls would demonstrate three of these teams have been involved in outright match-fixing, which would mean they could be end up being relegated.

The others clubs appear instead to be both accomplices and victims of Moggi’s network of alleged miscreants, but it has not been demonstated that they committed actual crimes.

Other sensitive information coming out of the investigation appears to demonstrate that Franco Carraro, who resigned as chief of the Italian football federation as a result of this scandal two days ago, knew about these wrong-doings, as did the heads of the referee selection committee of the 2004/2005 season, Luigi Pairetto and Paolo Bergamo.

In addition, Massimo De Santis, the referee who will represent Italy at the forthcoming World Cup, seems to have been in charge of the group of referees controlled by Moggi and the player agent company GEA.

For this reason, De Santis’ presence at the World Cup is now in severe doubt.
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Dear oh dear oh dear, can it get any worse for Juve? yes it can (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Juventus - Everybody out

The entire Juventus Board of Directors has resigned amid the Luciano Moggi telephone transcript scandal, causing an earthquake within the club.

“The Juventus Board of Directors has handed its resignation to the shareholders and called a meeting for June 29, 2006,” read the official statement this evening.


There were rumours that Moggi would offer to quit following the days of newspaper allegations and police investigations into his relationship with refereeing designator Pierluigi Pairetto, as transcripts of alleged telephone conversations were made public.


Yet this has been a cataclysmic shift in the club structure and one that effectively ends an era at the Delle Alpi.


The so-called Triade of director general Moggi, President Roberto Bettega and administrator Antonio Giraudo had been the architects of a Juventus success story over the past decade.


There were doubts over two members of this trio, but it had been thought that Giraudo would stay on, as he owns 3.6 per cent of the club’s shares.


The Bianconeri will completely restructure the side for next season and this could also include Coach Fabio Capello, who has been strongly linked with Inter.

And if that wasn't bad enough, I also read that 5 or 6 Juve players are under investigation for illegal betting. And just to rub salt in the wounds their share price dropped 9.92 % (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
All we need now is for them to have points deducted for cheating this season (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/devilsmiley.gif)
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Well... arrest'em all. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ May 6 2006, 03:39 PM)
Here is an online petition to sign against Moggi and juve and to hopefully get them relegated: Clicky? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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I voted too but do people ever achieve anything through these petitions???
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Juventus is going down .

Alltough I dont think they will get punished .


But just imagine they losing their scudetto from last year and this year And being relegated to serie B.


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QUOTE (Nova @ May 12 2006, 01:17 AM)
Juventus is going down .

Alltough I dont think they will get punished .
But just imagine they losing their scudetto from last year and this year And being relegated to serie B.
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a man can dream right!!!!Juventus is too precious for Italian football so they're most probably not going to be relegated (which I'd like even more than see them being striped off of their last two titles).When we were relegated together with Lazio football was not all about the money...

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The report adds that intercepted phone calls would demonstrate three of these teams have been involved in outright match-fixing, which would mean they could be end up being relegated.

Is there a rule about that???

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