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Posted by: han2503 Nov 4 2013, 01:53 PM

‘Allegri not Milan’s problem’

Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani has assured boss Massimiliano Allegri that his job is safe.

The tactician’s future has again been placed into doubt as the club’s problematic season took another unsavoury twist with a 2-0 defeat to Fiorentina on Saturday.

“There is faith in Allegri – he is not the problem,” the official stated this afternoon.

“All Coaches depend on results, but this is not a decisive week for him. If someone keeps losing then there is no one who can survive that.

“This is certainly a difficult moment because we are not picking up results, but we will carry on. From experience I say that we should remain calm.”

Milan, with just three League wins this season, will face Barcelona and Chievo over the next seven days.

Galliani was also asked to respond to Barbara Berlusconi’s request that there be a change in philosophy at the club owned by her father Silvio.

“I certainly spoke with Silvio Berlusconi last night, but I won’t comment on what we said,” Galliani added.

“The CEO is responsible for everything, the transfer market, the revenue, all of the costs. He’s in charge of the whole company.”

Also inevitably asked about the future of star striker Mario Balotelli, Galliani stated: “He is absolutely not for sale.”

Posted by: han2503 Nov 4 2013, 01:54 PM

I wonder to which new low will we be sinking to tomorrow. because this has become a comedy now, if Allegri is not the problem then WTF is? He and Galliani are THE biggest problems this club has

Posted by: acid911 Nov 4 2013, 02:43 PM

I still maintain that I'd be happy to see Allegri coaching Milan for the next 5 years, provided Galliani is fired tomorrow. No in fact, make it today, and we have a deal. dry.gif I used to think Berlusconi is senile, but Fester now seems like he lost his brain some three years back.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 4 2013, 03:11 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 4 2013, 02:43 PM) *
I still maintain that I'd be happy to see Allegri coaching Milan for the next 5 years, provided Galliani is fired tomorrow. No in fact, make it today, and we have a deal. dry.gif I used to think Berlusconi is senile, but Fester now seems like he lost his brain some three years back.

I'm sorry, but NOTHING, would make me want to see Allegri ruining this side for another 5 years.

Galliani is an old fool but Allegri has lead us down this road this season no one else.

Posted by: acid911 Nov 4 2013, 04:00 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 4 2013, 08:11 PM) *
Galliani is an old fool but Allegri has lead us down this road this season no one else.

Nope, if you get a cold it's not the diseases' fault. smile.gif It's you walking out in the middle of November without appropriately and adequately covering yourself. I was against signing of such LOBOs from the start, not everyone can make the transition to a big club like ours after having been stuck in the middle ages with mid table teams.

The first season here was limited in scope and growth as a team, and it was evident in the first few matches that we did not really storm out the gates with. One could see the team lacked chemistry and identity. At the end of the reason we had a Scudetto, but had not progress one inch as a unit. It was mostly Ibra or bust.

And then these next few seasons it all went south. Galliani had the chance to pull the trigger an year or two back. But here we are stuck not just with someone that masquerades as a coach, but has dragged in all the shtick in the footballing world with players like Niang, Matri and Muntari. dry.gif Players, apparently, with legs.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 4 2013, 04:37 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 4 2013, 04:00 PM) *
Nope, if you get a cold it's not the diseases' fault. smile.gif It's you walking out in the middle of November without appropriately and adequately covering yourself. I was against signing of such LOBOs from the start, not everyone can make the transition to a big club like ours after having been stuck in the middle ages with mid table teams.

The first season here was limited in scope and growth as a team, and it was evident in the first few matches that we did not really storm out the gates with. One could see the team lacked chemistry and identity. At the end of the reason we had a Scudetto, but had not progress one inch as a unit. It was mostly Ibra or bust.

And then these next few seasons it all went south. Galliani had the chance to pull the trigger an year or two back. But here we are stuck not just with someone that masquerades as a coach, but has dragged in all the shtick in the footballing world with players like Niang, Matri and Muntari. dry.gif Players, apparently, with legs.

Yes it is a bit convoluted, because it is Galliani's fault that we're stuck with Allegri, but nothing would make me want to see us stuck with Allegri for another 5 years. Absolutely nothing

Posted by: acid911 Nov 4 2013, 05:16 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 4 2013, 09:37 PM) *
Yes it is a bit convoluted, because it is Galliani's fault that we're stuck with Allegri, but nothing would make me want to see us stuck with Allegri for another 5 years. Absolutely nothing

Have it your way, then. biggrin.gif We probably will see his back at the end of the season. If Allegri is fired well before that, it would not be the most unjust thing in the world. In fact, it would be some justice. But I sense a 0-2 defeat at Barcelona this week, and I also see him continuing until the break.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 4 2013, 07:17 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 4 2013, 04:43 PM) *
I still maintain that I'd be happy to see Allegri coaching Milan for the next 5 years, provided Galliani is fired tomorrow. \


U MAD!!!

Posted by: CHU-LIP Nov 4 2013, 07:21 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 4 2013, 04:43 PM) *
I still maintain that I'd be happy to see Allegri coaching Milan for the next 5 years, provided Galliani is fired tomorrow. No in fact, make it today, and we have a deal. dry.gif I used to think Berlusconi is senile, but Fester now seems like he lost his brain some three years back.

When Galliani is out, Allegri is too. Galliani is the only person in the world who would keep Allegri at Milan.

Posted by: acid911 Nov 4 2013, 07:54 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 5 2013, 12:17 AM) *
U MAD!!!

Nope, just thinking the big picture here. wink.gif

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Nov 5 2013, 12:21 AM) *
When Galliani is out, Allegri is too. Galliani is the only person in the world who would keep Allegri at Milan.

Exactly. I'll put it this way, I want Galliani out more than Allegri at this point in time. sad.gif He's just doing one senseless thing after another, keeping this idiota on. There are less known coaches that we could have nabbed this year, or last, and they'd take less money while delivering better results.

Of course, a big name is preferable, but there are enough people in Italy that can do a good job.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 4 2013, 08:16 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 4 2013, 04:43 PM) *
I still maintain that I'd be happy to see Allegri coaching Milan for the next 5 years, provided Galliani is fired tomorrow. No in fact, make it today, and we have a deal. dry.gif I used to think Berlusconi is senile, but Fester now seems like he lost his brain some three years back.

Really?? No way. Allegri staying 5 years would run Milan to the ground. Galliani at least participated in the era of Milan's success, while Allegri virtually gave us nothing, bar the one scudetto.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 4 2013, 08:38 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Nov 4 2013, 07:54 PM) *
Nope, just thinking the big picture here. wink.gif

5 years is a pretty big picture acid

I think you're completely on your own on this one, majority of Milan fans can't stand to have him for 5 more days let alone 5 more years.

Posted by: Nova Nov 4 2013, 09:07 PM

The curva banner about the transfer policy actually sums up what I think about our situation.


Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 4 2013, 09:37 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 4 2013, 02:54 PM) *
if Allegri is not the problem then WTF is?

Most definitely not the players putting in awful performances every week.

Posted by: Nova Nov 4 2013, 09:39 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 4 2013, 11:37 PM) *
Most definitely not the players putting in awful performances every week.


Oh no , definatly not the players. wink.gif

Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 4 2013, 09:43 PM

Both of them are our problem. Berlu needs to sell the club to someone who has time and money, someone who'll be motivated to bring us back to the top and will replace people like Galliani, who lost it a long time ago. Also, we need Paolo back, and the sooner the better.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 4 2013, 09:53 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Nov 4 2013, 10:43 PM) *
Both of them are our problem. Berlu needs to sell the club to someone who has time and money, someone who'll be motivated to bring us back to the top and will replace people like Galliani, who lost it a long time ago. Also, we need Paolo back, and the sooner the better.

I'd be happy with a complete overhaul of the club. By only changing 1 thing, it won't make a difference.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 4 2013, 10:09 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 4 2013, 09:37 PM) *
Most definitely not the players putting in awful performances every week.

The players are unmotivated and undisciplined. Yes, this makes them a part of the problem but those are 2 key factors which go all the way back to Allegri.

We have quality players, to deny this is just simply ridiculous and going beyond limits, yet some of these quality players are left out to accommodate the mediocre ones you constantly go on about

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 4 2013, 10:54 PM

If a team underperforms, which translates into the players underperforming, then it's simply the coach's fault. It can't be seen any other way.

Posted by: servbot Nov 4 2013, 11:37 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 4 2013, 05:54 PM) *
If a team underperforms, which translates into the players underperforming, then it's simply the coach's fault. It can't be seen any other way.


+1

Galliani may have turned this club from CL contenders to Europe league material, but it certainly isn't relegation-fight material, which is where we are at, about 30% into the season now. This is not just one of those slow starts we've become accustomed to. We're extremely lucky with some late-match goals to even be where we are.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 5 2013, 12:29 AM

QUOTE (servbot @ Nov 5 2013, 01:37 AM) *
We're extremely lucky with some late-match goals to even be where we are.


Exactly.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 5 2013, 01:32 AM

Allegri: "It's a difficult moment. I'm responsible for everything, but I'm sure that we'll find a way to get out of this"

http://www.milannews.it/primo-piano/allegri-a-striscia-momento-difficile-il-responsabile-sono-io-ma-risolveremo-il-problema-127488

Well, at least he knows that.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 5 2013, 02:17 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 4 2013, 11:54 PM) *
If a team underperforms, which translates into the players underperforming, then it's simply the coach's fault. It can't be seen any other way.

If a player underperforms it can only be the coaches fault? What? Players can go through bad spells of their own doing, just like they can go through good ones. A coach can't do much about a players performance. He can be blamed for some bad team selections, absolutely.

Posted by: Ry4n Nov 5 2013, 06:38 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 5 2013, 01:53 AM) *
I'd be happy with a complete overhaul of the club. By only changing 1 thing, it won't make a difference.

agreed. to many old faces need new blood!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 5 2013, 08:42 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 5 2013, 04:17 AM) *
If a player underperforms it can only be the coaches fault? What? Players can go through bad spells of their own doing, just like they can go through good ones. A coach can't do much about a players performance. He can be blamed for some bad team selections, absolutely.

I think Allegri answered to you wink.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 5 2013, 09:55 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 5 2013, 04:17 AM) *
If a player underperforms it can only be the coaches fault? What? Players can go through bad spells of their own doing, just like they can go through good ones. A coach can't do much about a players performance. He can be blamed for some bad team selections, absolutely.


Single players, yes, you'd be right. But when the team as a whole underperforms, we're not talking about individuals, but a collective. That's when the coach's responsibility comes into play.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 10:05 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 5 2013, 02:17 AM) *
If a player underperforms it can only be the coaches fault? What? Players can go through bad spells of their own doing, just like they can go through good ones. A coach can't do much about a players performance. He can be blamed for some bad team selections, absolutely.

If this was just one or two or even three players struggling for form, then yes, you're right, but when it's the entire team, from keeper to every striker we try then you know it's not about the individuals but the entire team which is supposed to be coached and motivated by the coach.

Posted by: Nova Nov 5 2013, 10:26 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 5 2013, 11:55 AM) *
Single players, yes, you'd be right. But when the team as a whole underperforms, we're not talking about individuals, but a collective. That's when the coach's responsibility comes into play.


Unless the majority off your players are crap. Wich is the case now. Throw in an average coach and a management that doesnt seem to care anymore and you have a lethal mixture.

Blaming the coach for eveything is pretty easy . I have been a milanfan for almost 20 years now and this team is one of the weakest i've seen , its so unfair to blame it all on Allegri alone. It would be better if some people look beyond the coach issue and realise Allegri is a puppet on a string . Does he has to go ? I believe it yes if he has a perfect capable team to finish top 3 and still fails to deliver. If not i fail to see how one can hate one person so much and forget about the management.

I believe the curva said it perfectly with the picture you showed. Playing the financial card is no excuse , you dont hear napoli or juve complaining about it, and look at their squad.

These players are mid table team players with exception of a few and thats where we are now. And thats where we'll stay if you keep on having these kind of players.


Posted by: Nova Nov 5 2013, 10:40 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 5 2013, 12:05 PM) *
If this was just one or two or even three players struggling for form, then yes, you're right, but when it's the entire team, from keeper to every striker we try then you know it's not about the individuals but the entire team which is supposed to be coached and motivated by the coach.


You cant motivate an average player into a world class player.

Posted by: Nova Nov 5 2013, 10:54 AM

The Rossoneri legend believes Silvio Berlusconi must be prepared to loosen the purse strings if the club are to keep pace with Juventus, Napoli and Roma

Gennaro Gattuso has urged AC Milan to invest heavily in the squad in order to establish themselves among Serie A's elite once more.

Massimiliano Allegri's side have won just three league games this season and sit 11th in Serie A following a 2-0 defeat to Fiorentina on Saturday. 

Gattuso, who spent 13 years at San Siro before managerial stints at Sion and Palermo, claims the club have been held back by president Silvio Berlusconi's reticence to sanction heavy spending in the last couple of seasons and insists this must change if the club is to catch up with the likes of Juventus, Napoli and Roma.

"You have to spend a lot of money to build strong sides," he told Che Tempo Che Fa.

"This is a moment in time where little investment is being made, the opposite from what president Silvio Berlusconi has done throughout his reign.

"Today, Roma, Napoli and Juventus have something more than Milan because they have spent a lot on new players."

Milan's next match sees them face Spanish champions Barcelona at Camp Nou in Group H of the Champions League on Wednesday.


Source : Goal.com

Posted by: Nova Nov 5 2013, 10:58 AM

The former Juventus director feels that the Rossoneri no longer have the necessary quality to get the best out of their star forward

Luciano Moggi has claimed that AC Milan is no longer the right club for Mario Balotelli.

With the Rossoneri enduring a difficult start to the Serie A season, the Italy international has cut an increasingly frustrated figure in recent weeks.

There has been much speculation about his mental state, not to mention his future at San Siro, and Moggi admitted that he would not be surprised to see Balotelli leave sooner rather than later.

"In recent times, he's been bad," the former Juventus director told Falla Girare. "He's always waiting for the ball on his feet, from a standing start, it nearly seems like he's playing on his own.

"In my opinion, Milan is no longer the squad most suited to him. Now they're not even a team. They bought trequartisti when they needed attackers."

Indeed, Moggi says Milan are currently paying the price for a disastrous recruitment policy and intimated that it is not coach Massimiliano Allegri who should be in danger of losing his job because of their poor form, but CEO Adriano Galliani.

"It's not [Allegri] who should be sacked, but those who have given him that squad," he reasoned.


Turning his attention to his former club, Moggi claimed that Juventus have nothing to fear ahead of Tuesday's must-win Champions League clash with Real Madrid in Turin.

"I see it going well for Juve because the Spaniards concede so many goals," he opined.

"They must be quick because Real struggle at the back, even if they do score a lot in attack."

The Bianconeri are in dire need of a victory over los Blancos, having been beaten at the Santiago Bernabeu last time out after drawing their opening two games in Group B, against Copenhagen and Galatasaray.

Source : Goal.com




Hearing the truth from a rat like him is painfull...

Posted by: Nova Nov 5 2013, 11:04 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 5 2013, 12:54 AM) *
If a team underperforms, which translates into the players underperforming, then it's simply the coach's fault. It can't be seen any other way.


It can be seen any other way and it would be nice if you stop forcing your oppinion as the absolute truth mate. goodheart.gif

Posted by: Nova Nov 5 2013, 11:23 AM

Milan are AWOL


The worst thing about the Rossoneri right now is not the results, but the performances and mentality, argues Susy Campanale.

There’s no point denying that Milan are in absolute crisis now and facing Barcelona on Wednesday it’s not likely to get any better. A weakened Fiorentina without Juan Guillermo Cuadrado, Mario Gomez and David Pizarro didn’t have to get out of second gear to win 2-0 at San Siro, mainly because the Rossoneri are reduced to either first gear or reverse. They trundle along for 90 minutes and fans wait for the moment they step up the pace to change things around. If it does happen, it is rapidly followed by a defensive disaster.

The calls are out for Massimiliano Allegri to be fired, though I’m not sure what good it would do with the options available. It is true that the team is playing absolutely terrible football and the squad don’t appear to know what they’re supposed to be doing. With Roma, Napoli, Fiorentina and Inter you get the sense these players have a specific plan they worked out in training and know where they are supposed to be at any given moment. Milan’s plan seems to be ‘give the ball to Kaka and Mario Balotelli, then hope for the best.’ It worked in the second half of last season, but SuperMario is now in a permanent sulk between pointless bookings and increasingly embarrassing attempts to win a penalty. Mollycoddling him is just encouraging this self-destructive petulance.

Not only are the Rossoneri not organised, but they have no spark either. Taking the initiative should mean more than running aimlessly at a wall of players or shooting from midfield. Someone also needs to appoint themselves Wall Monitor, because it’s ridiculous that a top flight team doesn’t know how to stand in a line properly. Milan were always bad at defending from set plays, but this isn’t marking we’re talking about – it’s the ability to stand in a spot and not move. Instead of releasing statements on how a free kick was not in the right position or telling Riccardo Montolivo he should argue with the referee more, how about focusing on some of the football school basics?

The real issue with Milan seems to be psychological, as they suffer from crippling arrogance. Have you noticed the only decent performances they have put in this season were when the Rossoneri were considered underdogs? Started strong against Juventus only to fall away, held Barcelona to a draw and attacked Udinese despite an injury crisis. When on paper the stronger team, they just assume they’ll score at some point and don’t push the issue until time is running out.

Allegri said this week Milan “can’t rest on our laurels,” but that’s precisely the problem. They have no laurels. What this team is resting on is a cold, hard floor with the shrivelled remains of laurels. The sooner they get that into their heads, the better, because time is running out.

Source ; Football-Italia

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 12:07 PM

QUOTE (Nova @ Nov 5 2013, 10:40 AM) *
You cant motivate an average player into a world class player.

We do not have a team full of average or cr@p players as you are implying, we have a team that has great players, good players, some average ones and sure some mediocre ones. Napoli have the same mix, same goes for Roma. It's just ridiculous that anyone would try to say that our current position is what they expect. NO FFS! We do not have a squad that should be fighting to stay out of the drop zone.

No matter how anyone tries to spin it, the fact that we are where we are is down to Allegri. And yes you can motivate and discipline your side into playing great as a unit, that's what great coaches do. Our team even with some average coach should be able to be in and around 3rd place right now.

I mentioned Verona to you in another thread but you didn't give me a reply, if your theory was correct then how come they're in 4th place right now? While we're the ones playing like a side that's just been promoted?

The team right now is undisciplined, tactically misguided, un-unified, unmotivated and completely confused as to what their roles in this side is. They have given up on themselves. This is all down to the coach, because there should be no excuses regarding the quality of players we have when we can't bring back 3 points from away games at Bologna, Torino, etc.

Changing coach right now will fix pretty much all the problems we have on the pitch. Problems of a financial nature are something different, but as long as Silvio is owner of Milan we're not going to be buying top class, ready made stars anymore, complaining about that is useless.

Roma SOLD their best players this summer, they just made smart and cheap moves in the market, they ended the transfer market with profits.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 12:10 PM

Also the articles you posted clearly show that some of those people are speaking out of their @sses and only see the results rather than the performances that go along with them.

Moggi FFS? No we did not need any more f@cking strikers. We're up to our noses in strikers, we've been desperate to get a proper trequartista in since we sold Kaka, now we're getting 2 quality ones this season.

And Allegri himself was the one who wanted Matri! He could have asked for a CM, or a CB, or a proper winger since he's obsessed with playing a wide 4-3-3, but no, he asked for Matri. Yes Galliani should be fired, but that's because he listened to this idiot instead of doing what he usually does when coaches make requests, which is to ignore them

I can quote you a million different opinions from fans who actually watch Milan week in week out and none of them even mention the fact that we can't buy top stars anymore. None of the Serie A teams can do that anymore, Rino needs to check how Roma went about their business this summer, same goes with Juve. Only Napoli spent huge sums and that's not something that's sustainable for them

Posted by: Nova Nov 5 2013, 01:56 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 5 2013, 02:10 PM) *
Also the articles you posted clearly show that some of those people are speaking out of their @sses and only see the results rather than the performances that go along with them.

Moggi FFS? No we did not need any more f@cking strikers. We're up to our noses in strikers, we've been desperate to get a proper trequartista in since we sold Kaka, now we're getting 2 quality ones this season.

And Allegri himself was the one who wanted Matri! He could have asked for a CM, or a CB, or a proper winger since he's obsessed with playing a wide 4-3-3, but no, he asked for Matri. Yes Galliani should be fired, but that's because he listened to this idiot instead of doing what he usually does when coaches make requests, which is to ignore them

I can quote you a million different opinions from fans who actually watch Milan week in week out and none of them even mention the fact that we can't buy top stars anymore. None of the Serie A teams can do that anymore, Rino needs to check how Roma went about their business this summer, same goes with Juve. Only Napoli spent huge sums and that's not something that's sustainable for them


And I can quote you a million too Han. What makes you think you are right ? Because your posts are agreed by the same members every time ? Most of the post are really childish and rude, i mean come on .... He won the scudetto with Milan : ohh thats because he had Ibra. Thats really childish to think that you become champions just because you had Ibra alone and even more if you think we are in this mess because Allegri alone. You belittle the things milan won with him and completely trash him fornthe things milan are losing.

I would like that my view is respected as much as I respect yours and others. Me not agreeing with you or others about Allegri should not result in suggestions that I dont know what I'm talking about.

Those reports I posted is me trying to brake the anti Allegri spell around here and to show not everybody agrees with you , as much as lots of people dont agree with me either.

Besides , I never said I was a fan of Allegri, but to blame him for everything thats going wrong constantly every single minute the whole time ? We know you dont like him , let it go allready wink.gif


I remember the days I was in the minorty defending Carlo ancelotti ... rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Nova Nov 5 2013, 01:58 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 5 2013, 02:10 PM) *
Also the articles you posted clearly show that some of those people are speaking out of their @sses and only see the results rather than the performances that go along with them.


You really think that ? I think everybody who doesnt agree with you is talking out of their @sses apparently.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 02:10 PM

QUOTE (Nova @ Nov 5 2013, 01:56 PM) *
And I can quote you a million too Han. What makes you think you are right ? Because your posts are agreed by the same members every time ? Most of the post are really childish , i mean come on .... He won the scudetto with Milan : ohh thats because he had Ibra. Thats really childish to think that you become champions just because you had Ibra alone and even more if you think we are in this mess because Allegri alone. You belittle the things milan won with him and completely trash him fornthe things milan are losing.

I would like that my view is respected as much as I respect yours and others. Me not agreeing with you or others about Allegri should not result in suggestions that I dont know what I'm talking about.

Those reports I posted is me trying to brake the anti Allegri spell around here and to show not everybody agrees with you , as much as lots of people dont agree with me either.


I remember the days I was in the minorty defending Carlo ancelotti ... rolleyes.gif

First off, I wasn't disrespecting your opinion but of the people talking in the articles who clearly do not watch Milan on a regular basis. Hopefully that's cleared up, I respect your opinion whole heartedly, but I just disagree with it whole heartedly as well.

And outsiders can talk all they want about Milan but fans who watch this team regularly do think it's Allegri, you and kurt are the odd ones out on this forum, I'm sure there are a couple who have the same opinion on other forums/blogs/etc but those are a very distinct minority of people.

NO ONE ever said that we have a top class side or that we should be winning the Scudetto and CL, I mean expecting that from any coach with this team that we have would be the thing that's childish. But there is no way that this squad we have which has some very talented players, as well as some very good if not great established players should be under performing to the degree that it is. And I hope you can see my point in this, because keeping on about how you don't expect anything more from this side is just a bunch of bull, I'm sorry, but that is the truth because with the quality in this side we should not be a few points above the relegation zone.

The things Milan won with him? You mean the Scudetto where out entire game plan centred around throwing the long ball at Ibra and hoping for the best, because that is what that Scudetto win was all about, trying to deny this would convince me that you have on some spectacular rose tinted glasses on atm. Because that's the whole point, our performances, even then when we had the star players, best in their position players, we still played like we do now, only the results came because there was someone who made the difference from us looking like a mid-table side (as we do now) to us getting results (as we were doing back then). Second season was a huge mess, best squad in the league by a distance and still manage to get the Scudetto taken right out from under him by a Juve who had previously finished 7th, but what was the big difference with Juve? They had a proper tactician and man manager who turned a bunch of individual players into an amazingly strong unit.

No we do not have the best team, and I'm repeating that to show you that I agree with you (TO AN EXTENT), but it is not a team that should be languishing where it is in that table. It is a team, that on paper is still one of the best in the league along with Napoli and Juve. So there should be no excuses as to why we cannot even get 3 points against mid to bottom table sides.

Posted by: Nova Nov 5 2013, 02:16 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 5 2013, 04:10 PM) *
First off, I wasn't disrespecting your opinion but of the people talking in the articles who clearly do not watch Milan on a regular basis. Hopefully that's cleared up, I respect your opinion whole heartedly, but I just disagree with it whole heartedly as well.

And outsiders can talk all they want about Milan but fans who watch this team regularly do think it's Allegri, you and kurt are the odd ones out on this forum, I'm sure there are a couple who have the same opinion on other forums/blogs/etc but those are a very distinct minority of people.

NO ONE ever said that we have a top class side or that we should be winning the Scudetto and CL, I mean expecting that from any coach with this team that we have would be the thing that's childish. But there is no way that this squad we have which has some very talented players, as well as some very good if not great established players should be under performing to the degree that it is. And I hope you can see my point in this, because keeping on about how you don't expect anything more from this side is just a bunch of bull, I'm sorry, but that is the truth because with the quality in this side we should not be a few points above the relegation zone.

The things Milan won with him? You mean the Scudetto where out entire game plan centred around throwing the long ball at Ibra and hoping for the best, because that is what that Scudetto win was all about, trying to deny this would convince me that you have on some spectacular rose tinted glasses on atm. Because that's the whole point, our performances, even then when we had the star players, best in their position players, we still played like we do now, only the results came because there was someone who made the difference from us looking like a mid-table side (as we do now) to us getting results (as we were doing back then). Second season was a huge mess, best squad in the league by a distance and still manage to get the Scudetto taken right out from under him by a Juve who had previously finished 7th, but what was the big difference with Juve? They had a proper tactician and man manager who turned a bunch of individual players into an amazingly strong unit.

No we do not have the best team, and I'm repeating that to show you that I agree with you (TO AN EXTENT), but it is not a team that should be languishing where it is in that table. It is a team, that on paper is still one of the best in the league along with Napoli and Juve. So there should be no excuses as to why we cannot even get 3 points against mid to bottom table sides.


Since parts from what I'm saying is appartly bull I'm not commenting on this anymore.

But do get this into your head , If you EVER bash the players instead of our next coach I'm gonna hunt you down, copy/paste style . cool.gif

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 02:23 PM

QUOTE (Nova @ Nov 5 2013, 02:16 PM) *
Since parts from what I'm saying is appartly bull I'm not commenting on this anymore.

But do get this into your head , If you EVER bash the players instead of our next coach I'm gonna hunt you down, copy/paste style . cool.gif

So you think that our current position in the table, with the players we have is correct? Because if you do then I don't know what else I'd have to say to you at this point. Because if you do think that is correct, I'm sorry but I think that's bull. There's respecting an opinion and then there's going above and beyond to try to prove your point

I can assure you, the only players on our current roster that I don't think are worthy of being on this team are only a handful, I absolutely cannot stand them, and even more so, Allegri decides that benching a talent like Poli to accommodate a mediocre player like Muntari is the best way to go. This should tell you enough about our coach. Add to that his new fascination with Birsa, his insistence on still using Constant as a LB even though he has been an absolute defensive nightmare this season are all parts of the reason for why we are where we currently are in that table, not to mention there is no motivation or tactical discipline in this side

As you can see, we have multiple options in this squad, the mediocre players could easily be left out. Muntari, Birsa, Constant, Zaccardo, Bonera, Matri, and Niang are all players that have no business playing in this side, yet not only are they in it but Allegri chooses to bench better options to accommodate these players.

Posted by: X-Offender Nov 5 2013, 03:11 PM

QUOTE (Nova @ Nov 5 2013, 01:04 PM) *
It can be seen any other way and it would be nice if you stop forcing your oppinion as the absolute truth mate. goodheart.gif


No-one's doing that, mate.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 5 2013, 03:41 PM

I don't think anyone's opinion is "bull", however different it might sound. I think we should keep that in mind.

The thing is, we gotta start changing things. Yes, don't have a impeccable roster - in fact, we have many shortcomings. Yes, some players are below what was used to be "Milan standards", other perform constantly under their expectations. And our management isn't helping either. But those things are harder to change then the coach.

And the coach is responsible as well: Milan play badly, not in terms of result, but in terms of philosophy, tactics and system. Earlier we lacked creativity, but this season we have plenty sources which should at least present from time to time a better showing. More importantly, our players don't related with the coach anymore. His decision are arbitrary and happen in the spur of the moment. We're in deep crisis, but his handling of the situation makes this crisis worse rather then better.

So it's only logical to start with changing the coach, and then maintain restructuring via transfer periods and summers. But by God, what do you guys think is necessary to be sacked as Milan coach? Isn't the worst start since the season we got relegated enough? Terim, Tabarez, Leonardo, hell even Zaccheroni got the axe for much less mistakes and poor results.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 5 2013, 03:44 PM

Well...when one hears statements like 'Cannot be seen any other way', 'It should be obvious to just about anyone with any intelligence.." etc. it does seem like it's being forced. The only thing that's left that can be done on the internet is to call the other person a retard and kick him out of the forum isn't it?

I mean sure the sentences are not offensive and use very parliamentary and decent language, but I think the opinion held about the opposing view is clear.

Allegri is at fault to a large extent. What it proves is that he's clearly an average coach. He wanted to walk away this season, Galliani infused him with some magic potion which gave him the foolish confidence (possibly based on our second half performance last season) that he could actually make lightning strike twice. Big mistake! He should have known he would be in over his head.

Galliani's fault is he left this team without any leaders. It's unusual. A lot of people are on my back about my 'supporting' Galliani but the fact is he isn't useless. Except for Moggi (the rat is probably angling for Fester's job), everyone else speaks well of him as a director. He made a mistake that was completely uncharacteristic of him. He left this team without ANY leaders. I don't know if he overestimated Abbiati, Montolivo and/or Kaka's influence. It was a foolish mistake. It's true his attention was very less on team building. I think what budget we have has gone into financial consolidation. And he's been mostly involved with commercial aspects. Before you decry that, I insist that we have shown amazing progress there. We're sustainable again and I read that we make more commercial revenue than Chelsea. (TV and Stadium is where we lose out)

I don't give a rat's *** about Barbara's storm in a tea cup. I will believe it when I see something happen. Removing Galliani is not easy. You axe someone who has held so much power for nearly 30 years, you axe a pillar and if you think the walls won't tumble you're being silly.

However the rumours are that Galliani will be put in a more restricted role where he has lesser say on players. I think that's stupid. What these morons must do, is make Milan into a position where we can once again negotiate from a position of strength, so that Fester and his Golden Tie can make things happen again.

Also fed up with the Maldini as director of football. You know what would be great? For Silvio to apologize and get Leo back as DoF. We need someone competent in there. Maldini I Love. He should be an ambassador. I would rather see him where he is, than have him take up a huge role with no experience, screw it up and we are forced to think of him as a failure.

DoF? What does he know about player negotiations? About coaching youth teams, or scouting networks? Maybe he does a lot, but you'd still want to ease him into it rather than just handing it over. Let him have the same role that Zidane did at Madrid and then grow into stature.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 03:56 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 5 2013, 03:41 PM) *
I don't think anyone's opinion is "bull", however different it might sound. I think we should keep that in mind.

The thing is, we gotta start changing things. Yes, don't have a impeccable roster - in fact, we have many shortcomings. Yes, some players are below what was used to be "Milan standards", other perform constantly under their expectations. And our management isn't helping either. But those things are harder to change then the coach.

And the coach is responsible as well: Milan play badly, not in terms of result, but in terms of philosophy, tactics and system. Earlier we lacked creativity, but this season we have plenty sources which should at least present from time to time a better showing. More importantly, our players don't related with the coach anymore. His decision are arbitrary and happen in the spur of the moment. We're in deep crisis, but his handling of the situation makes this crisis worse rather then better.

So it's only logical to start with changing the coach, and then maintain restructuring via transfer periods and summers. But by God, what do you guys think is necessary to be sacked as Milan coach? Isn't the worst start since the season we got relegated enough? Terim, Tabarez, Leonardo, hell even Zaccheroni got the axe for much less mistakes and poor results.

I think when you go into extremes to try to prove your point it can become bull, we've all been guilty of doing it, me included.

I personally did not use it to insult anyone, certainly not Nova, a poster I respect a lot and one who I've had many agreements during various discussions with, but I just cannot see the validity in an argument where someone would say that he or she expected this, a squad that realistically should be fighting for a CL place only a few points away from the relegation zone.

@ Jack, Galliani is THE biggest person at fault here. We talk about Allegri but who was the one who convinced Silvio that keeping on as we were was a good idea? Who was the one who spent our entire budget on an average league striker because said coach wanted him? And who is responsible for the current financial situation we find ourselves in? A situation which makes buying the type of players Nova is talking about simply impossible

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 5 2013, 04:25 PM

And who was available at that time to replace Allegri? Who? With a lesser team and with the same ambitions was there any proven coach who would drink from that poisoned chalice?

Benitez before Chelsea maybe. But even with Napoli he came on after he was convinced of a project and good on Aurelio he delivered on his promises.

As for the financial situation, I don't think anyone in the world is capable of forecasting an economic crisis besetting the nation. Or FFP coming into play. I think Serie A has always been a league historically of bankrolled clubs, so to turn around and point fingers at it is just using hindsight to act all clever.

What if Abramovich is accused of a crime and jailed? Are Chelsea automatically stupid and should their DoF be fired coz he couldn't make out a new plan? What if the banks truly go belly up in Spain? Are DoFs of Madrid and Barca stupid and single handedly the reason for the finances?

Before you point to Bayern Munich who are now quite clearly the pinnacle of European football clubs in every way, I'll just let Filippo explain the kind of long transformation that the club went through under Uli Hoeness to reach this stage.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 06:08 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 5 2013, 04:25 PM) *
And who was available at that time to replace Allegri? Who? With a lesser team and with the same ambitions was there any proven coach who would drink from that poisoned chalice?

Benitez before Chelsea maybe. But even with Napoli he came on after he was convinced of a project and good on Aurelio he delivered on his promises.

As for the financial situation, I don't think anyone in the world is capable of forecasting an economic crisis besetting the nation. Or FFP coming into play. I think Serie A has always been a league historically of bankrolled clubs, so to turn around and point fingers at it is just using hindsight to act all clever.

What if Abramovich is accused of a crime and jailed? Are Chelsea automatically stupid and should their DoF be fired coz he couldn't make out a new plan? What if the banks truly go belly up in Spain? Are DoFs of Madrid and Barca stupid and single handedly the reason for the finances?

Before you point to Bayern Munich who are now quite clearly the pinnacle of European football clubs in every way, I'll just let Filippo explain the kind of long transformation that the club went through under Uli Hoeness to reach this stage.

You know how many talented coaches there are in Italy who could have come in and done a much better job than Allegri? Hundreds. Just as there are hundreds of other terrible coaches which are on Allegri's level.

Donadoni, Rijkaard, Spaletti, etc, etc I could go on listing names. How did Roma find Garcia, if there were so many few options. Fiorentina have Montella, Inter got Mazzarri, these are all options we could have went for but we never even tried. Galliani always wanted to keep Allegri and that's what he got, Allegri could have easily been the Roma coach at this point in time because they wanted him. I'd love to see that alternate universe, they'd probably be in our current position

As for Galliani, how can you stand there and tell me he wasn't at fault??? Who gave the senior players huge 4m plus contracts? Who has amassed the biggest wage bill in the league for years, even as the quality of the squad declined? Who sold Ibra and Thiago for peanuts because he brought in Ibra when he knew it was financially impossible to keep him? The list is endless, but anyone could have told you that his biggest mistakes started to be made after we won that CL. Had he not given out those exorbitant wages to senior players who were past their primes we wouldn't be in a situation where we were losing huge amounts of money each year. Galliani ran us into the ground, Allegri is just one of the symptoms of his huge shortcomings.

He's not even any good at brokering good deals on the transfer market for us anymore. He's made this club an emberassment

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 5 2013, 07:00 PM

Well, that's funny. I've been studying for quite some time the history of the Habsburg Empire. Historiography pointed out that this exceptional world power declined and fell in 1918 because of the many centrifugal and centripetal forces that tear the country down.

We have quite a similar situation here with Milan. You have Allegri which is one (obvious) level. Then you have the management with the Galliani and the Berlusconi level. End finally you have Italy and Europe as a important and sometimes overseen context. You mention those contracts Han...but honestly, I don't think they ruined us financially. They just tried to delay the obvious decline in quality. Finivest, the Italian economic crisis and the whole economic situation of Europe has more to do with this then Galliani's contract concept.

Posted by: acid911 Nov 5 2013, 07:39 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 6 2013, 12:00 AM) *
They just tried to delay the obvious decline in quality.

I won't deny that, not after taking everything in context as you mentioned. mellow.gif But these were the years the management absolutely should have been at their most shrewed, at its most active. They threw away Leonardo and out went the Brazilian Connection.

Then one senile decision after another (mostly by Galliani) meant that we ended up in a hole. And now with Allegri getting another season or two, we are just not stopping the digging process. Milan, as a club, is just getting buried deeper and deeper. Finishing seventh would, I reckon, be a neat enough wake up call to these sleepyheads.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 08:55 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 5 2013, 07:00 PM) *
Well, that's funny. I've been studying for quite some time the history of the Habsburg Empire. Historiography pointed out that this exceptional world power declined and fell in 1918 because of the many centrifugal and centripetal forces that tear the country down.

We have quite a similar situation here with Milan. You have Allegri which is one (obvious) level. Then you have the management with the Galliani and the Berlusconi level. End finally you have Italy and Europe as a important and sometimes overseen context. You mention those contracts Han...but honestly, I don't think they ruined us financially. They just tried to delay the obvious decline in quality. Finivest, the Italian economic crisis and the whole economic situation of Europe has more to do with this then Galliani's contract concept.

The economic crises has no baring on the fact that we have had an insanely high wage bill, exacerbated by the fact that we were giving 4m contracts to guys like Seedorf, Rino, Ambro, Dida, etc for years, even when they were reduced to being bench players they were earning as much money as our most important players. Don't forget that the 4m is multiplied by 2 because of the taxes. So those are huge figures going down the drain each year. We were no longer winning or going deep into the CL, we were paying huge fees to keep players on which were no longer contributing to the team, we have had a huge squad for years now.

We have the 2nd highest wage bill in the league only behind Juve, and this was only the case from this season because last season we were the highest on the list. How do you explain this when the squad quality has declined so much, why are we still paying so much money to players when we no longer have the names to justify those amounts? Why were we giving out contracts of 1.2m per season to a player like Traore, when no one knew one single thing about him. These are all just random things that have led us to where we are now

Posted by: servbot Nov 5 2013, 09:16 PM

Of course, Allegri is not the only problem, but he can only be accountable for the things he can control. Some of these things include:

- Terrible substitutions
- Strategic failures
- Alienating players from the team
- Constantly starting the wrong players such as Muntari, Urby, etc.
- A squad that looks unmotivated and disinterested
- Possible poor training methods that lead to a disproportionate number of injuries

These aren't just from this year either. There's a pattern of these problems with Allegri at the helm. They were easier to ignore when we finish 1st, 2nd, and rally to finish 3rd. Can they be excused now?

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 09:21 PM

QUOTE (servbot @ Nov 5 2013, 09:16 PM) *
Of course, Allegri is not the only problem, but he can only be accountable for the things he can control. Some of these things include:

- Terrible substitutions
- Strategic failures
- Alienating players from the team
- Constantly starting the wrong players such as Muntari, Urby, etc.
- A squad that looks unmotivated and disinterested
- Possible poor training methods that lead to a disproportionate number of injuries

These aren't just from this year either. There's a pattern of these problems with Allegri at the helm. They were easier to ignore when we finish 1st, 2nd, and rally to finish 3rd. Can they be excused now?

For me they were inexcusable last season and the one before that as well.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 5 2013, 09:37 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 5 2013, 10:55 PM) *
The economic crises has no baring on the fact that we have had an insanely high wage bill, exacerbated by the fact that we were giving 4m contracts to guys like Seedorf, Rino, Ambro, Dida, etc for years, even when they were reduced to being bench players they were earning as much money as our most important players. Don't forget that the 4m is multiplied by 2 because of the taxes. So those are huge figures going down the drain each year. We were no longer winning or going deep into the CL, we were paying huge fees to keep players on which were no longer contributing to the team, we have had a huge squad for years now.

We have the 2nd highest wage bill in the league only behind Juve, and this was only the case from this season because last season we were the highest on the list. How do you explain this when the squad quality has declined so much, why are we still paying so much money to players when we no longer have the names to justify those amounts? Why were we giving out contracts of 1.2m per season to a player like Traore, when no one knew one single thing about him. These are all just random things that have led us to where we are now

Agreed. And yes, it is making our situation difficult, it is not wise or profitable. But our financial situation depends on Finivest, not on the wage bill.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 09:55 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 5 2013, 09:37 PM) *
Agreed. And yes, it is making our situation difficult, it is not wise or profitable. But our financial situation depends on Finivest, not on the wage bill.

Sure that is true, but the club's profit and losses are what make or break us, the fact that we were coming up with 60m in losses each year has nothing to do with Fininvest and everything to do with complete and total mismanagement on Galliani's part. Fininvest's unwillingness to bankroll those losses is why we had to cut down on spending, but at the end of the day those losses are there because Galliani let them happen.

Had those losses not been so big, Fininvest's yearly 60m funding could have been put to better use instead of going into pulling us out of the red

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 5 2013, 09:58 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 5 2013, 11:55 PM) *
The economic crises has no baring on the fact that we have had an insanely high wage bill


huh, since when was our wage bill not insanely high? Where do we get losses of 60MM from each year?

The economic crisis has crippled Milan's income domestically. FIGC has not done sh1t to help promote the clubs, other than being a regulator, it serves as a tool for the government. The Italian government my friend ('Europe's third largest industrial nation' as Bloomberg refer to it) is broke. There is no appeal from the outside world other than its culture, the fine wines and its exotic cars. The economic crisis crippled gdp in Italy. Family income is suppressed.

That said, having a insanly high wagebill is what brought you Shevchenko, Kaka, Rui Costa, Seedorf, Nesta, Thiago Silva ... Reducing that wagebill to your Montolivo, Muntari, Mexes ... That is the difference. The problem therefor lies in covering expenses to have players like Nesta, Gattuso, Pirlo etc (at their prime), but where does that income come from? Having read the above, I expect you at at least guess that one.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 5 2013, 11:55 PM) *
, exacerbated by the fact that we were giving 4m contracts to guys like Seedorf, Rino, Ambro, Dida, etc for years, even when they were reduced to being bench players they were earning as much money as our most important players. Don't forget that the 4m is multiplied by 2 because of the taxes.


Seedorf, Rino, Ambro, Dida when they were all 33-35 yrs old were 10x the players we have here. Cafu at 34 against Abate? That team that we had contracts extended for were as Pippo Simone stated above to delay the decline.

And han, 4m multiplied by 2 means players are taxed 100%?

QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 5 2013, 11:55 PM) *
So those are huge figures going down the drain each year. We were no longer winning or going deep into the CL, we were paying huge fees to keep players on which were no longer contributing to the team, we have had a huge squad for years now.

We have the 2nd highest wage bill in the league only behind Juve, and this was only the case from this season because last season we were the highest on the list. How do you explain this when the squad quality has declined so much, why are we still paying so much money to players when we no longer have the names to justify those amounts? Why were we giving out contracts of 1.2m per season to a player like Traore, when no one knew one single thing about him. These are all just random things that have led us to where we are now


Who would play for 1.2M other than the Traories of the world?

Don't draw your conclusions based on the fact that Milan's global allure alone can work miracles. The magic that we all saw was fueled by Silvio Berlusconi. That fuel is gone, not even Mourinho 'himself' would make you an omlette with this team.


Economic crisis has a lot to do with Milan's situation, in FACT had it not been for economic crisis Milan would still have that magic, as FFP would not have even been thought of.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 10:13 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 5 2013, 09:58 PM) *
huh, since when was our wage bill not insanely high? Where do we get losses of 60MM from each year?

The economic crisis has crippled Milan's income domestically. FIGC has not done sh1t to help promote the clubs, other than being a regulator, it serves as a tool for the government. The Italian government my friend ('Europe's third largest industrial nation' as Bloomberg refer to it) is broke. There is no appeal from the outside world other than its culture, the fine wines and its exotic cars. The economic crisis crippled gdp in Italy. Family income is suppressed.

That said, having a insanly high wagebill is what brought you Shevchenko, Kaka, Rui Costa, Seedorf, Nesta, Thiago Silva ... Reducing that wagebill to your Montolivo, Muntari, Mexes ... That is the difference. The problem therefor lies in covering expenses to have players like Nesta, Gattuso, Pirlo etc (at their prime), but where does that income come from? Having read the above, I expect you at at least guess that one.

When those players you speak of were at their prime we were still making profits because we were winning regularly and going deep into the CL with a final or semi final showing each year, meaning we were usually one of the highest if not the highest earners from that competition, not to mention when you are winning on a regular basis, marketing and investment money comes by a lot more easily.

When did we start making losses? When the team got too old to compete at a high level but we were still paying those players as if they were still at their prime. And these are figures you posted yourself multiple times

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 5 2013, 09:58 PM) *
Seedorf, Rino, Ambro, Dida when they were all 33-35 yrs old were 10x the players we have here. Cafu at 34 against Abate? That team that we had contracts extended for were as Pippo Simone stated above to delay the decline.

And han, 4m multiplied by 2 means players are taxed 100%?

No they weren't, you're just fooling yourself into thinking that. Rino, a personal favourite of mine, had declined so badly by that age you're indicating was simply not even worthy to be on the bench any more, Ambro had become someone who could play a good game once in a while and be terrible for most of the others, Seedorf lost his legs, became even lazier than he was in his best of days and had become someone who didn't contribute to the team. Dida hadn't been a regular for us while still earning 4m per season for years until he ran down his contract. Same goes for Cafu and Serginho who both struggled terribly in their final years with us. Don't forget we were desperate for a RB even when Cafu was still here which is why we bought Oddo.

When a player is earning 4m that means he's costing the club 8m per season. That is the way they are taxed in Italy

The fact is that none of them should have been given the long term lucrative contracts they were given after that CL win, the only player who deserved the extensions and money was Nesta as he always maintained his high level

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 5 2013, 09:58 PM) *
Who would play for 1.2M other than the Traories of the world?

Don't draw your conclusions based on the fact that Milan's global allure alone can work miracles. The magic that we all saw was fueled by Silvio Berlusconi. That fuel is gone, not even Mourinho 'himself' would make you an omlette with this team.

Economic crisis has a lot to do with Milan's situation, in FACT had it not been for economic crisis Milan would still have that magic, as FFP would not have even been thought of.

Ummmm, players like Traore are barely given .5m per year with a normal club. We knew absolutely nothing about him when we signed him, just that he was free. So I'm sure it made sense to give him over 1m in wages yearly rolleyes.gif

A proper coach would make this group of players into a great unit, I'm sure of this. The team you're talking about all nostalgically was the one that wouldn't have been able to produce a rotten omelette, because it was a physically depleted side, that had won everything and were still being paid like they were at their peaks while having nothing left to prove.

And like I said to Fillipo, the only reason the economic climate factored into this decline is because Fininvest no longer wanted to cover those losses we were making due to the gross mismanagement we've been under for these last 6 years now

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 5 2013, 10:27 PM

Wow han .. I am convinced, that reply above was just for the sake of arguing. I am sorry but, that just did not make sense to me. income tax of 100%? I am assured now, you act on impulse.

Posted by: han2503 Nov 5 2013, 10:29 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 5 2013, 10:27 PM) *
Wow han .. I am convinced, that reply above was just for the sake of arguing. I am sorry but, that just did not make sense to me. income tax of 100%? I am assured now, you act on impulse.

This has been discussed a million times here, and not just from me check it out before trying to tell me I'm some impulsive idiot who doesn't think before speaking. wink.gif

And I'm sure you didn't like my reply since it goes against everything you preach about, but to each his own or whatever rolleyes.gif

Posted by: KillerMax Nov 6 2013, 05:50 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 5 2013, 04:27 PM) *
Wow han .. I am convinced, that reply above was just for the sake of arguing. I am sorry but, that just did not make sense to me. income tax of 100%? I am assured now, you act on impulse.


So han goes through every point you make and responds to them thoroughly one by one and this is your response?

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