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Posted on: Oct 12 2019, 11:02 PM


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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 11 2019, 10:25 PM) *
This.

And plus Suso himself is hardly known for altruistic play.

Yep. The fact that we're even talking about Piatek when Suso and Hakan are on the pitch is beyond me

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 12 2019, 12:43 AM) *
I'm a striker who relies on service. Give me easy balls to drop in the net, I can give you as many goals as you like. Why not just get Matri and Pazzini back then?

Come on, this idea of strikers relying on service is so 20 years ago. Piatek can barely control the ball. That has nothing to do with service.

Perhaps he just had some amazing 4-5 months last season that he'll never repeat again.

Piatek was top notch all of last season - aside from the last few weeks with us when the entire team switched off, and he was scoring freely at Genoa, where I'm sure he was not being supplied to consistently.

He's generally lethal when he gets a chance, that's his talent. if you give him proper service he will score, but when you spend 90 minutes where all you get is sub-par balls in tight areas surrounded by 3 defenders in no-mans land because the midfield does not provide the right support and movement, then he really can't do much

This is not simply about service. We're just a static team ad have been for a while, this makes it difficult for the striker to even accomplish basic things like bringing down the ball and getting the others involved because no one is moving or making the correct runs in support. We just stand still and keep creating the same sideways passing patterns that allow the opposing team to shift back into position and stifle us.

Piatek has been struggling for sure, but the bad actors around him carry as much blame - if not more, than he does

As for Leao, i get the excitement about him, the kid is clearly supremely talented. But I don't agree with instantly making him our starting forward. I don' want to see us putting the kind of pressure on him that carrying this team would entail
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Posted on: Oct 11 2019, 09:54 PM


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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 10 2019, 08:40 PM) *
Piatek started looking awful since last season. He had a fantastic start, but after, what, 9-10 games he scored only once till the end of the season. So, it's not just down to Giampaolo.

I honestly don't want him starting any more games. He doesn't score, he doesn't protect the ball, loses it very often, doesn't assist his teammates, and on top of it all he's very selfish.

Start Leao as CF with Rebic and Suso on the flanks I say. And have Paqueta play more advanced and Kessie more retracted. And start Bennacer. If Pioli wants to get it right, he must start from the correct man selection.

Piatek started looking bad last season when the entire team dipped in form, he's a striker that relies on service. If you're not giving him anything to work with, he's not going to create something out of nothing by himself.

Of course, this does not mean that I am disputing what you're saying in any way. I think a 4-2-3-1 with a all those players you listed would be the best possible solution, but I would not disregard Piatek just yet. He's lost confidence, and that has fueled the so called "selfish" streak, the constant shooting from players when they should be passing is mostly born out of frustration, we've seen Suso and Hakan doing it constantly as well
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Posted on: Oct 10 2019, 08:26 PM


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I agree with Filippo though that Baka was a massive loss for us this season.

And really, what off field stupidity? The shirt thing with Acerbi? That's just them needling an opponent. What was truly stupid was the club's slience when he was racially abused by the Lazio fans who were up in arm about him holding Acerbi's shirt up but saw nothing wrong in waving a banana at him. That was disgusting from our club's end imo. How they did not back him but were quick to reprimand him for the shirt joke

And yes, he is a massive loss. The amount of balls he recovered and attacks he started from those recoveries were countless and are missed now

Re Benaccer, we simply haven't really been able to see what he can really do, but he looks very promising imo. Giampaolo treated him unfairly, and I hope Pioli can get the best out of him

Paqueta and Piatek were also looking terrible under Giampaolo, and we've seen how great they can be from last season. So it's obviously been a pretty obvious connection between the coach and how all the players just seem stifled compared to last season under Rino
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Posted on: Oct 9 2019, 07:15 AM


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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 8 2019, 08:25 PM) *
First of all, I do blame Paolo and Boban because Giampaolo was their choice. If you want to rebuild and get back to success, you don't start from Giampaolo. It was a risky bet, and they lost it. Hence, they're responsible. Just as they're responsible for conducting a mercato without logic or direction.

Secondly, we can't afford to learn at this moment. So, blame goes to Elliot for replacing an experienced director such as Leonardo with Boban. We need certainty. What has Gazidis even been doing all this time? Aside from earning the big bucks, that is.

I never said they were blameless, but it is obvious that they are restricted, and when you are restricted to a 2m annual salary for a coach, then Giampaolo is the level that you get

So we can put all the blame we want for them picking Giampaolo specifically, but it really doesn't make much difference. 2m is not going to get you anyone better. Simple as that really

As for the summer signings. Once again, they had to work within tight confines. We signed some very interesting players imo. Players you had previously thought were enough for us to get 4th. And I still think that from my end. They just need to be coached properly. Both from a tactical point of view as well as a physical one. Because right now it's obvious that they are not only without any tactical clue, but they're also lacking greatly in fitness levels.

Rino took a worse team to within a point of 4th. So it's obvious that the ability is there, but these players have never been guided by a proper coach their entire time at Milan. I don't think Pioli will change that but we'll just have to wait and see it out

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 8 2019, 10:28 PM) *
Agree with both of you.

But sorry, my blame on Mladini and Boban goes to a certain point. One has to understand that it was indeed Berlusconi and Galliani who destroyed Milan in the first place with their reckless and antiquated handling of the club and lastly their sale of the club to a shady Chinese businessman.

This is how we got there. Maldini and Boban are club legends who agreed to work under these dire and complicated conditions. Could they done better? Sure, especially in terms of manager selection and summer signings. But let's be honest guys: apart from me most of you saw the team stronger then last year, prepared for battling the 4th spot (even more?) and were fine with Giampaolo. Heck, even the media praised Giampaolo and made some believe he's some kind of tactical genius?

The mistake was to punish Leonardo for last season and remove him from the management as his signings and decisions weren't half as bad (maybe expensive though). So this blaming game goes far more then just stating two of our club legends our idiots.

But again, when the budget restrict you to such an extent, you're going to be very limited in the choices you can make. We have a budget for the coach that is on par with the bottom half of the table. So let that sink in.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 8 2019, 10:30 PM) *
As for Pioli, I'm also disappointed. But he got a contract for 1 million plus the 1.5 we're paying Giampaolo. It's obvious we couldn't afford anyone - not even Spalletti, especially not Mourinho etc. Let's be realistic, who would accept to come to Milan for a miserable salary in this even more miserable situation?

You know, I really thought we'd actually have a proper budget allocated to the coaching staff. But apparently not. @The fact that even now they won't release more funds to sign at least Spaletti says it all

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 9 2019, 02:34 AM) *
Yes, for the past near-decade.

It's absurd how poorly Milan are run, and how bad the decisions at every level of management continue to be.

Question for all of you - genuine - will you still follow this team in Serie B with having lost our 'best' players and possibly sliding down to Serie C?

Now, I'm a Rangers fan and I've had a four-year nightmare in the lower divisions, but we're now top of the table and should be top of our Europa group (group of death with Feyenoord, Young Boys and Porto) so I know what it is to slide to the bottom and the joy of rising back.

But could this generation of Rossoneri cope with it (after all it happened 40 years ago too).

I don't see Milan going down that far

But I do see this club fading into mid-table obscurity. And the longer this goes on, the harder it will be for the club to claw it's way back. Out generation of fans grew up with Sheva, Pirlo, Seedorf, Paolo, Nesta, Rino, etc. The older ones like my dad grew up with Rijkaard, Van Baster, Baresi, Paolo and Gullit. Who do the current generation of fans have to inspire them? Suso? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I'm afraid that kids these days won't even know Milan, certainly not as a big club. All the kids today follow the clubs that are in the CL. The only young Milan fans are that due to their family supporting the club, so the fanbase right now is still big, but as things keep going the way they are that will dwindle fast, and having the big fanbase is still crucial to us if we want to crawl out of the hole we've been digging ourselves in for years now. But once that's gone, it will be practically impossible for us to get back to where we once were
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Posted on: Oct 8 2019, 08:10 PM


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I think you guys are directing your blame at Paolo and Boban because they are the faces, but they have to work within the budget that Elliot + Gazidis set.

If they cannot sign player X or Y or coach X or Y due to salary and/or transfer fee it is because the budget limits them.

I'm not saying I'm happy with this or that I think it's a good decision at all, but I'm sure both are learning fast that it's easy to talk and judge from a cushy pundit position, but much harder to operate within such confines.
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Posted on: Oct 7 2019, 08:07 PM


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According to Di Marzio we're pushing for Spaletti but there is an issue with the severance package he has to agree with Inter.

At this rate we should just pay the difference. It would be worth it if we can salvage something out of this season, and this is the perfect time to change the coach with the break coming up. We absolutely cannot come back from the NT break with Giampaolo still in charge

Spaletti should be the only option from that shortlist. All the other would be inadequate

Also, there were reports that we were not willing to pay the wages Spaletti is demanding, and if our budget for a coach is 2m per season, then we deserve the likes of Giampaolo and mid-table mediocrity. Inter are paying Conte 10m net per season. That is the asking price for a top level coach, and we're playing around with 2m
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Posted on: Oct 6 2019, 02:34 PM


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We apparently also got another red card. This probably makes us the most carded team in the league so far. Playing like actual relegation contenders
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Posted on: Oct 5 2019, 10:11 PM


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Didn't watch it.

Anyone did? And if so how were we today? Still terrible?
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Posted on: Oct 3 2019, 04:01 PM


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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 2 2019, 07:49 PM) *
Real Madrid did not lose 4-0. Atalanta on the other hand lost yet again. Hardly a good argument.

What do you say re Spurs then?

Atalanta are just not cut out for this level. They're good in Serie A but the CL was always going to be a huge ask for them. And it will probably have a negative effect on their league performances this season as well.

This is not really an indication of a league's strength
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 1 2019, 03:01 PM) *
Galliani's short-sightedness brought us in this mess. He's the main culprit for wasting club funds on useless players, extending inflated contracts to declining players, and not coming up with a business plan that would keep us strong in the medium to long run. I'm marvelled that there are people who still defend that buffoon.

Agreed

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 1 2019, 04:41 PM) *
I'm sorry, but 2012's decision to sell and release our entire squad is why we're in this mess now.

It's not any more complicated. I said back in 2011 we needed to consolidate our Scudetto with some serious signings. Instead we got SAS and Mexes. It's just been degradation since then.

I actually think the downward slide started before then. 2006 was that year imo. in 2007 we won a CL that was won thanks to Kaka having a superhuman season and some of the vets having a renaissance (in the CL mind you, we were bad in the league that season). But the squad during that time was already going through a major decline with most of the players starting to get older.

In 2010 we brought in a super boost in the form of Zlatan, but the supporting cast was still mostly the same as it had been in 2007 only 3/4 years older. The summer after we won the Scudetto, we again failed to address the issues that were clear to see but were hidden by Zlatan's amazing performances, and to add insult to injury, the following summer we sold off the 2 most important players that were key in covering up those flaws. Add to that, the slew of legends that retired, players who Galliani knew were on their last legs but never bothered to bring in players who could take the mantle from them. And thus came the downfall.

Galliani was shortsighted and too emotionally invested in certain players. Not to mention his terribly bad decisions when it came to contract extensions and signing free transfers. All of which led to where we are today. I mean, how can anyone forget that up until this summer we were still paying big money to players that were brought in by Galliani that never played



QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 1 2019, 06:03 PM) *
Gazidis was brought in to make sure Milan are put on a path of self sustainability; his record at Arsenal speaks volumes as they are by far the best club in that regard.

The club forfeited EL in a settlement agreement with UEFA to wash away previous seasons FFP breaches. Doesn’t mean it is the flavor of the management to forfeit the same every season. And if it does happen next year as well, assuming Milan does qualify, then it will be as another settlement whereby Milan had breached FFP again.

Im sorry, Galliani to-date is the best director Milan had. FFP was introduced in 2011/12 season IIRC and was first brought to the attention of clubs for adherence in 2009. At that time Milan had been running losses year on year and its Revenues were on a constant decline. So if your memory of Galliani was from 2009 onwards then obviously you would view him in such negative light. Limited funds and an inflated transfer market dominated by free spending EPL clubs shoved Milan right out of competition to sign top players. My memory of Galliani was in constructing super teams, the ones that made us fall in love with the club.

How we got here in the first place? Well that is down to several factors. But the main culprit is FFP. Without FFP Milan would still be making losses but signed the best of the best.

Today the club is serious about self sustainability. But the onfield issues are Maldini and Bobans scope whom are doing a splendid job you say? But ofcourse its all Gallianis doing isnt it;/

Disagree

The fact that we had those financial problems even before FFP tells you all that needs to be said re Galliani and his management. Not just in the footballing sense, but business wise as well

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 1 2019, 08:05 PM) *
I wholeheartedly agree. We had built a solid foundation, just won the Scudetto, but instead of getting stronger, we practically stayed as we were. And next summer then we sold everyone. Catastrophic.

I actually disagree a bit there.

Our entire foundation was based on Thiago, Zlatan and a slew of old legends that were retiring within a season. That is not a solid foundation.

Had we really had a solid foundation, the sale of Thiago and Zlatan would not have had the ripple effects that it had. Teams lose great players every summer and carry on. We just crumbled after that, and that is because there was no supporting cast or even a plan to bring one in
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Also, I just want to add that I 100% want Giampaolo out. But the players are part of the problem as well. Changing coaches isn't enough, these guys need to take a long hard look at themselves as well.

But someone who can coach the basics to them properly is needed for sure.

Spaletti is available just bring him in. At least he doesn't take BS and is fare more charismatic than the current zombie we have coaching us

That being said, I'm sure Giampaolo won't be sacked today
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 29 2019, 09:42 PM) *
Leao the only decent thing in another disastrous performance. This team has shut down, it doesn't play football anymore.

Giampaolo needs to go and many players need to be benched.

Agreed

Sorry to keep beating this drum, but once again, it's the same old list of players

Suso, Hakan, Piatek and Kessie were all bad. And they just drag the rest of the team down with them

Kessie has no discipline or brains. That's a terrible combination

Hakan is just weak minded, he'll never be a player of value to us because he just can't cut it. And he knows it. 2 goals came directly from his mistakes plus the one against Toro. He's not even adding anything to the attacking front at this point, he just delays play by holding onto the ball too long and always making the predictable pass

Suso. What more can I say about him. He has talent no doubt, but again, always inconsistent, always predictable with his movements. Slows down the tempo of the game, rarely makes the swift pass required to keep play moving. He over-dribbles, over-shoots and over-crosses with very little accuracy. Look at what a winger who spent his entire career starting on the outside and cutting in did to us tonight, but with intelligence and finesse that Suso could only dream of having.

Piatek. He's just not up to speed right now. I get his struggles, and it's not easy always being the lone person in a box against 4 opposing players, but he at least has to do better when he does get the ball. His touch is off, he's too selfish with the ball and his passing isn't good either. Leao needs to take his spot in the middle imo

As for the rest. All made their fare share of mistakes. It's not just an individual problem, but the entire collective. We're slow, we have no off the ball movement, we're so painfully predictable and the individual mistakes and bad performances are only exacerbating this
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QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 29 2019, 09:27 PM) *
I meant to say that there was improvement in terms of ball movement and general team play. Of-course, lots of things still missing..but I thought the ideas were getting in the players heads.

But now..itís just a catastrophe..

Agreed. This was on par with the Udine game

QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 29 2019, 09:30 PM) *
Heís pretty good 😬😁

Yes he is. Too bad he's playing with a bunch of players who don't deserve to be on the pitch and for a coach who has no idea what to do with him
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 29 2019, 09:24 PM) *
If Giampaolo isn't sacked after tonight, I will be bewildered.

He's won't be. I'm 99.9% sure about this
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Leao goal.

Man, this kid should be starting instead of Piatek in the centre

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Bennacer is having a mare tonight.

As I predicted the general mood of this squad will soon start affecting the new players as well

Theo and Bennacer already looking lackluster
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Calabria keeps fizzing the ball into the box and absolutely no one is making runs into the box

And this was the case when we had 11 men out there as well
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Hakan with a hand in both goals today and the first one against Toro on Thursday

Yet he's still starting each game. And no comments from Giampaolo that he needs to be less Turkish (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 29 2019, 08:44 PM) *
I thought we were playing good football.

Today? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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This is probably as bad as the Udine performance, so we're basically regressing at this point
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 28 2019, 07:43 PM) *
Maldini and Boban will be judged at season end or even next season. They deserve time.

Giampaolo on the other hand does not. But Han, I think we have to be realistic. Like it or not Allgeri and Mourinho are IMO miles away (especially Mourinho who would tarnish his stellar status at Inter for a mid-table Milan) and the only realistic options I see are Spalletti and Ranieri. As I said - like it or not. I still think both would be a massive improvement compared to all 5 or 6 coaches we had in recent years.

One other thing. I think our team has to be changed substantially. Han or X-O, can't remember who, said it right. This team is just accustomed to mediocrity and is alright with not winning anything or moving forward. Look at Donnarumma. He talks about Milan playing the good against Torino (just like Giampaolo) while ending up defeated. Can you imagine Seedorf or Costacurta taking such a stance? After such a disastrous start? No, we have to make sacrifices and changes.

Milan rapidly fell to a mid-level club Lazio was in the late 00's and early 10's. As such IMO we have to take faster lanes and make more experiments. We tried Hakan, Rodriguez, Kessie, Conti, etc. They don't work? Sell and move on. Also, we have to buy cheaper. In order to achieve this we simply have to develop a much better scouting network.

Agreed on all fronts.

Sadly, you're probably right about Mou, but if offered the right amount I think Allgeri could be persuaded

Spaletti would be a 3rd choice though. Ranieri I'm just not on board at all.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 29 2019, 08:32 PM) *
Don't know if it's better to lose this game so Giampaolo fucks off or not.

We'll lose and he still keeps his job. Mark this post
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 26 2019, 10:15 PM) *
Next two???? I think tomorrow he'll be gone. He's lost 3, drawn 1 and won 2. That's a horrible record.

Nah, they won't sack him right now, and I'm not even sure they will do it should we not win the next two.

Also, there are reports that Rino could be brought back, this is not what we need. We need a proper coach. And I love Rino, and think we would be doing better right now if we still had him as coach and didn't waste an entire pre-season trying out stuff we scrapped two match days in. But we need someone with experience and someone who's actually won something so he can try to bring in a different mindset into this team

Allegri and Mourinho are available. We already missed out on Conte, we need to say "screw it" and just pay them what they want. Enough with he cheap/inexperienced coaches.

QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 28 2019, 01:25 AM) *
You know, I remember when Maldini got appointed - I can't say it thrilled me.

It seems to me he and Boban are presiding over a continuing decline in this club.

They've done nothing arrest the slide.

Actually I think they've made some shrewd decisions this summer, that could end up paying off big time. I'm mostly talking about Bennacer and Leao.

The Giampaolo choice was bad no doubt. But the test will be in how much time they waste before getting the balls to sack him
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 26 2019, 10:00 PM) *
Another season down the drain. And the hard(er) part yet to come.

Yep

We seemingly cannot score from open play as well which is the most worrying sign. Piatek seems to have lost all the spark he had last season

I think if we lose the next 2, GP is on the chopping block
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We should just pack up and go home at this point. Giampaolo is absolutely clueless. He bring on Rebic for Bennacer when switching to a 4-2-4 instead of taking Hakan. Who was the main culprit for that first goal...
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We are utter garbage.
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