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Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 21 2007, 09:47 PM
Milan vs. Roma
Sunday, October 28th, 2007
14:00 (UK); 15:00 (IT)
Let's hope our Lazio face will return. Ronaldo+Roma's style should ensure us at least a different game then te Empoli one. It's redemption time,..
Posted by: jefri91 Oct 21 2007, 09:54 PM
0-5 to Roma... FORZA ROMA !! haha
Posted by: whoarethepatriots Oct 22 2007, 12:59 AM
My expectations are rock bottom
and because of that i think we will win, as the last time my expectations were this low Lazio were thrashed 5-1
EDIT: match is being shown live on Channel 5, not a good omen tbh
Posted by: bigmacmtl Oct 22 2007, 03:33 AM
i really hope we get thrashed, they say with a drug addict you need to hit rock bottom before you can really do something about it. i want to see us miss out on CL so we can put things in perspective, give us a season to start rebuilding and truly focus on the scudetto.
Posted by: Darunia Oct 22 2007, 04:10 AM
We are sucking at home.. I expect 2-1 to Roma
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 22 2007, 04:21 AM
very hard to win.. i'm going for a draw
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 22 2007, 04:36 AM
I'm not in the same pissed off mindset as you are, but yeah I mostly agree with you on the above statement. I said it before Lazio too. It was the same way the last season. And it will be the same way again.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 24 2007, 12:42 AM
Roma supporters have been banned from travelling to San Siro for the Milan game, while Cagliari’s curva nord will be locked down against Sampdoria.
The police authorities have marked the October 28 Serie A clash as very high risk, Level 4, for crowd trouble and taken steps to help prevent problems.
Tickets can only be sold in Lombardy, given out in small numbers and sale will stop at 19.00 the day before the game.
The Disciplinary Commission has also taken action against Cagliari after player Antonino D’Agostino was struck by a homemade bomb or firework thrown from the stands following the 1-1 draw with Catania.
The curva nord – the section where the home fans sit – will be closed for the November 4 meeting with Sampdoria at the Stadio Sant’Elia. Cagliari have also been fined £10,000.
This is the second time this season that the new system has been used to close down only an area of the stadium.
The first was when Inter’s curva was shut to punish the ultras who held up insulting banners aimed at Napoli fans on October 7.
The Nerazzurri supporters won’t be allowed into the curva for the October 31 game with Genoa.
Football Italia
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 24 2007, 06:04 AM
I'm glad that the Shakthar match is a home-game, otherwise we'd have not a prayer in hell of even drawing it.
Is it confirmed R99 will be back? Probably as a sub huh?
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 24 2007, 08:54 AM
^^
He should be back ..
Posted by: Tennie Oct 24 2007, 01:15 PM
The latest press in Italy has R99 back for the Sampdoria game (Oct 31), not the Roma game. Ronie is still training separately.
Maldini is being rested today(Wednesday) and so he should play.
On the Roma side of things, they've got a bunch of injuries, including a doubt as to whether Totti will be fit for the game.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 24 2007, 05:31 PM
I wish we'd win, it would do so great for our confidence. But if wishes were horses, I'd own a garage full of Ferraris.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 25 2007, 01:01 AM
Just because we won 4-1 today, I'm not going to get carried away. I say we'll lose 3-2.
We beat the hell out of Lazio, but what happened after that? 
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 25 2007, 01:40 AM
If Roma close up their defense and play on the counter, they might draw or if they're lucky win it. But if the play football 
then it will be a balanced game and the victor will be the one who plays better (i.e. controls the game and obviously scores).
I don't want to jinx this match .. But I have a feeling Milan will win it, considering the Empoli game and the critics that have surrounded the team.
Posted by: jefri91 Oct 25 2007, 01:54 AM
1-2 for us
Posted by: bigmacmtl Oct 25 2007, 02:00 AM
then it will be a balanced game and the victor will be the one who plays better (i.e. controls the game and obviously scores).I don't want to jinx this match .. But I have a feeling Milan will win it, considering the Empoli game and the critics that have surrounded the team.
or maybe they'll completly outplay us like they did last year
Posted by: misha Oct 25 2007, 02:41 AM
It's about time to get our first home victory in Serie A (sounds like a line a fan of a 'small' team would say 
).
Posted by: Darunia Oct 25 2007, 02:42 AM
Ugh Ronnie's return keeps getting delayed.. he was supposed to be back for Empoli 
Posted by: amancik Oct 26 2007, 08:36 AM
I'm going for 2 - 1 to Milan
Gilardino
Vucinic
Kaka'
Forza Milan
and after this game, our confidence will be sky high ........ or not
Posted by: rhy_A4 Oct 26 2007, 02:18 PM
i go for 3 - 1
Kaka'
Gilardino
Ambrosini
Mancini
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 26 2007, 03:02 PM
I'm going for a draw, 1-1 or 2-2.
Totti, as usual, will sore against us.
And our sorer(s) will be Ambrosini and/or Kaka (penalty kick!)
Posted by: dst Oct 26 2007, 03:04 PM
And our sorer(s) will be Ambrosini and/or Kaka (penalty kick!)
Totti won't play... and
Posted by: rhy_A4 Oct 26 2007, 03:17 PM
Mancini is there danger man and Guily
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 26 2007, 03:19 PM
Why!?
Posted by: dst Oct 26 2007, 03:27 PM
He was injured in Roma's CL game and he's not ready yet!
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 26 2007, 03:45 PM
That's great news. I'm gonna be a little more optimistic about the result now.
Posted by: whoarethepatriots Oct 26 2007, 03:49 PM
2-1 i think, Gila Kaka and Perotta
Posted by: aLbErTo Oct 26 2007, 05:17 PM
gila will score a double 
!!!!!!!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 26 2007, 05:25 PM
!!!!!!!Two times in a row? Hmh, that would be,..
Posted by: MizNelson Oct 27 2007, 04:46 AM
That sounds gross...
Posted by: han2503 Oct 27 2007, 10:17 AM
Anybody know anthing on Ronaldo?
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 27 2007, 10:30 AM
The biggest disappointment of the season so far.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 27 2007, 12:04 PM
^^^^
If things keep going the way they are he's going to miss over half of the season.
He was supposed to be back for Empoli and now we don't even know when he'll be back.
Posted by: kaka_sheva Oct 27 2007, 05:05 PM
I was looking forward to seeing him play again. 
It's not really his fault he's injured.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 27 2007, 05:54 PM
^^^^
Nope...let's all send hatemail to McDonalds.
Ari??
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 27 2007, 06:03 PM
If things keep going the way they are he's going to miss over half of the season.
He was supposed to be back for Empoli and now we don't even know when he'll be back.
I'm curious to know what is going on, too. he's missed two months of action so far, we are 10 points behind league leaders, and we all know this was not his last injury.
Carlo said he may join the squad this week. but wait a minute... when was the last time Carlo said something and it didn't turn out to be crap?!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 27 2007, 06:07 PM
When he said last season after the draw at the Siro with Bayern, that Milan were gonna play positive and go all the way.
And I'm hoping against hope, that his defending Gilardino as a slow starter is also gonna come true. Maybe ..if we're lucky.
But the psychic lives in Athens, we'll have to ask him.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 27 2007, 06:33 PM
That's a long time ago.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 27 2007, 06:37 PM
Not as long ago as 1899....
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 27 2007, 09:13 PM
He was expected back on the 21st ... TBH, i would guess by the end of this month. I am not sure about how he is training, maybe Tennie has something on that (i.e. training with the team or not..)
p.s. he'll be ready for the CWC
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 27 2007, 10:15 PM
Nope...let's all send hatemail to McDonalds.
Ari??
you just lost my vote for funniest poster of the year.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 27 2007, 10:18 PM
Yeah well, that connot be blamed on Carlo since he reports what the medical staff tells him.
p.s. he'll be ready for the CWC
Let's hope so
What really irritates me about this whole Ronaldo situation is the fact the we haven't gotten any concreete news from the club. It would make me feel much better to know anything other then the typical line that he is on his way to full fitness or the other vague cr@p we've been given lately.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 27 2007, 10:18 PM
Ouch that's a low blow man
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 27 2007, 10:32 PM
Serie A Preview: Milan – Roma
The match of week nine in Serie A will be impulsive viewing as Milan host Roma at San Siro.
Milan’s Poor Domestic Form
The Rossoneri go into the game off the back of a magnificent 4-1 thrashing of Shakhtar Donetsk in the Champions League on Wednesday night.
The European Champions produced a mesmerising display of attacking football to demonstrate to the rest of Europe that it will take an almighty effort to wrestle their sacred crown off of them.
However things are not so rosy at home for Milan and they have had what President Silvio Berlusconi has described as their worst start to a league season since he took over the club more than 20 years ago.
Having won just two of their first eight Serie A games they currently find themselves in a lowly 11th position in the table. Sitting 10 points behind league-leaders and local-rivals Inter, Milan’s chances of winning the Scudetto already look over, even at this very early stage of the campaign.
What is for certain is that the Diavoli cannot afford to drop more points against Roma on Sunday, so you can bet your bottom dollar that they will come out and go for the win at all costs.
Milan have struggled this season against teams who have sat back and defended with a deep defensive line. This will not be the case against an adventurous Roma team, so the space will certainly be there for the likes of Kaka, Seedorf and Pirlo to work their magic.
Roma Struggling
Roma are really starting to struggle in recent weeks after a blistering start to the season.
The Giallorossi won their first five games of the campaign without even conceding a goal, and were winning the plaudits of the whole of Europe for their beautiful pass and move one-touch football.
However, after the 2-0 win over Dynamo Kiev on September 19, Luciano Spalletti’s men only won one of their next six games. This included a humiliating 4-1 thrashing at home by Inter, as the Romans fell five points behind their title-rivals at the top.
On Tuesday night Roma secured a much-needed boost of confidence with a 2-1 Champions League victory over Sporting Lisbon at the Stadio Olimpico, but in truth the home side looked a shadow of the team that had delighted neutrals at the start of the campaign.
A major problem has certainly been in defence. The Giallorossi have conceded a whopping 12 goals in their last five Serie A games and for the first time they appear to be really missing the calming influence of Romanian stopper Christian Chivu who left for Inter in the summer.
Injuries have also hurt Roma’s cause recently and the victory over Sporting in midweek came at a massive cost, with the news that talismanic captain Francesco Totti will miss the game with Milan due to an ankle problem.
The game at San Siro on Sunday is a crucial clash for Spalletti’s men as a defeat could see them drop eight points behind Inter. Such a margin, even at this early stage of the campaign, would be very difficult to recover given the impressive early season form of the Nerazzurri.
RECENT FORM GUIDE
Milan
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10/03 Celtic 2-1 Milan Champions League
10/07 Lazio 1-5 Milan Serie A
10/21 Milan 0-1 Empoli Serie A
10/24 Milan 4-1 Shakhtar Champions League
Roma
9/29 Roma 1-4 Inter Serie A
10/02 Man Utd 1-0 Roma Champions League
10/07 Parma 0-3 Roma Serie A
10/20 Roma 4-4 Napoli Serie A
10/23 Roma 2-1 Sporting Champions League
TEAM NEWS
Milan
Coach Carlo Ancelotti is unlikely to make many changes from the team who thrashed Shakhtar Donetsk in the Champions League on Wednesday night.
The only possible switch could occur in defence with Kakhaber Kaladze taking Giuseppe Favalli’s place at left back, and captain Paolo Maldini returning in the centre to partner Alessandro Nesta. Marek Jankulovski is out after picking up an injury against Empoli.
Alberto Gilardino is likely to be preferred to Filippo Inzaghi in the lone striker role following his two-goal salvo in midweek.
Milan (probable): Dida; Oddo, Nesta, Maldini, Kaladze; Gattuso, Pirlo, Ambrosini; Seedorf, Kaka; Gilardino
Roma
The Giallorossi were dealt a massive blow by the news that inspirational leader Francesco Totti will not recover in time for the San Siro showdown.
His place up-front will go to Mirko Vucinic, who scored and impressed after coming on as a substitute against Sporting in midweek.
In midfield Alberto Aquilani, Rodrigo Taddei and Mauro Esposito are all out through injury but Simone Perrotta is expected to recover in time.
Roma (probable): Doni; Panucci, Mexes, Juan, Tonetto; De Rossi, Pizarro; Perrotta, Giuly, Mancini; Vucinic
PLAYERS TO WATCH
Milan – Kaka
The Brazilian superstar is undoubtedly the best player in the world at the moment. All this talk about Messi and Ronaldo – forget about it. On Wednesday night Kaka ran Shakhtar Donetsk rugged and he should have grabbed a hat-trick.
When he is given space, the 25-year-old is unplayable, and as it is not in Roma’s style to sit back and defend deep, it could be a tough afternoon in store for the Giallorossi on Sunday.
Roma – Daniele De Rossi
With their talisman and inspiration, Francesco Totti, unavailable, the Giallorossi will require another Roman born-and-bred to come to the fore.
De Rossi has shown all the leadership qualities of a future Roma captain and he will need to galvanise the troops around him if his team are to come away with anything from Milan. He will also be given the daunting role of keeping Kaka quiet.
PREDICTION
Milan thrive against opposition who come out and play them at their own attacking game. Roma are renowned for their adventurous style and I believe this will play right into the Rossoneri’s hands. The loss of Francesco Totti will also be too big a blow for the away side and I foresee a comprehensive victory for the European Champions.
Milan 3-1 Roma
Carlo Garganese
Goal.com
Posted by: misha Oct 28 2007, 02:09 AM
I think that for the fisrt time ever C4 gonna guess the line up right.
Posted by: Darunia Oct 28 2007, 02:37 AM
no they won't... Oddo is out
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 02:53 AM
Cafu vs ROMA 
Posted by: dst Oct 28 2007, 02:55 AM
I'd like to see Simic-Nesta-God-Kaladze for the defense!
Posted by: KillerMax Oct 28 2007, 03:04 AM
Bonera is better as a RB than Simic.
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 03:20 AM
has Simic played at all this season? i have a feeling he'll leave in January!
oh this is bit of topic, but where exactly does Ibrahim Ba fit into this club?
Posted by: MizNelson Oct 28 2007, 04:37 AM
Simic got some garbage time during the 5-1 thrashing of Lazio.
Posted by: Darunia Oct 28 2007, 04:44 AM
Why did Ancelotti say he'd use Bonera in place of Favalli if he doesn't regain fitness... wouldn't Kaladze make much more sense? I mean he used to play LB...
Posted by: fresh_prince7 Oct 28 2007, 10:50 AM
PLAYERS TO WATCH
Milan – Kaka
The Brazilian superstar is undoubtedly the best player in the world at the moment. All this talk about Messi and Ronaldo – forget about it. On Wednesday night Kaka ran Shakhtar Donetsk rugged and he should have grabbed a hat-trick.
When he is given space, the 25-year-old is unplayable, and as it is not in Roma’s style to sit back and defend deep, it could be a tough afternoon in store for the Giallorossi on Sunday.
YES, YES HE IS!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 28 2007, 10:53 AM
I have a horrible feeling about this match. Sh!t....
Posted by: dst Oct 28 2007, 10:56 AM
The game kicks off at 17:00 UK time, right?
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 11:19 AM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/match?id=224571&cc=3436!
1AM Sydney time
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 11:36 AM
Milan 3 - 1 Roma ?!
They (goal.com staff) never learn, do they?! how many times this season they predicted Milan win and we failed?!
I'm going for a draw. that would make sense.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 11:49 AM
It's not like we lose the lead by losing points today! why are you worried?
we're 12th in the standings and it doesn't matter where we finish as long as it's not any lower that fourth place, since our objective for this season has been "at least fourth place"!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 28 2007, 01:10 PM
You should try waiting for a match, having the sort of feeling I do.
And I can already imagine, the war of words that's gonna erupt in the forum.
1-2 to Roma. Pirlo, Vucinic and Perrota.
Posted by: fresh_prince7 Oct 28 2007, 01:39 PM
(+1) for jacko prediction..
Nah Kaka' will lead us to victory..
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 03:03 PM
Dida;
Cafu, Nesta, Kaladze, Maldini ;
Gattuso, Pirlo, Ambrosini;
Seedorf, Kakà ,
Gilardino.
game underway..
Posted by: Minami Oct 28 2007, 03:16 PM
Where do you watch the game??
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 03:17 PM
Kaka soo close
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 03:23 PM
Dida with a couple of good saves... Roma more in control!
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 03:26 PM
tvants://www.p2psports.cn/tvants/?k=198e7fce54c8514851376f48e04de899
Dida with another save...
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 03:27 PM
Roma close goal on the counter
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 03:28 PM
They're owning us!
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 03:31 PM
Totally
Btw, good shot from Seedorf
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 03:34 PM
Roma surely haven't come to defend and if we lose, I wonder what will be the excuse this time
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 03:38 PM
Kaka... it was close
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 03:38 PM
Getting into the game more now
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 03:39 PM
Kaladze saved our @ss!
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 03:39 PM
Great work from Kala
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 03:40 PM
Nesta, yellow card.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 03:41 PM
Prilo not playing good enough.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 03:44 PM
AAAAAHHHHHHHH! so close!
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 03:44 PM
What a move!!!
Mexes just got there
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 03:45 PM
Pirlo is not concentrated. it's obvious.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 03:46 PM
HT 0-0
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 03:47 PM
no one is concentrated except for Dida
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 03:50 PM
If the game continues like this, we will concede on their counter attack. our defense is slow compared to Roma's attack.
Posted by: armisse Oct 28 2007, 03:51 PM
it seems that refree Rozetti is the King of match , he decide where it must go !!!!!!!!
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 03:52 PM
So far there's only been 3 goals scored in all the Serie A matches that are being played atm
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 03:56 PM
^^^ 4.
1 - 1 Parma - Livorno
2 - 0 Catania - Sampdoria
seconds-half must have lots of goals
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 03:58 PM
What does the mean?
he was flawless. he is Italy's best referee.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:00 PM
he was flawless. he is Italy's best referee.He wasn't flawless in the last action
Posted by: rhy_A4 Oct 28 2007, 04:00 PM
can u remember the Calgari game last year when Cafu made the same tackle crossed it and scored ... that was not a fowl it was obivious
Posted by: armisse Oct 28 2007, 04:00 PM
he was flawless. he is Italy's best referee.in some cases he control the game with wrong decisions
Posted by: armisse Oct 28 2007, 04:03 PM
this kind of work from refrees is the best way to destroy the match and the game of players .
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Oct 28 2007, 04:09 PM
Back to reality
Thankfully Roma are just as bad!
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 04:10 PM
GATTUSO... he did a Kaka out there! so close!
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:10 PM
So close again!!!
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 04:14 PM
Kaka is not doing well right now. he is waiting for moment and he knows what to do then.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 04:18 PM
We simply have no plan; repetitive plans all over. look at Roma... that's what football should be. "sexy football"! lol
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:19 PM
Doni just keeps throwing himself down on the ground for nothing
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 04:19 PM
AHHHHH! Gilardino on header. so fvcking close!
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:19 PM
Oh Gila so close!!!!!
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 04:19 PM
Gila free header, big miss 
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 04:21 PM
^^
Yeah... actually it was not that close. he just missed it.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:22 PM
What the hell are we doing??
We keep giving them the ball over and over again
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Oct 28 2007, 04:22 PM
This is shocking!
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 04:23 PM
Cicinho is doing great. hope he won't be able to punish our @ss. we should buy him!
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:23 PM
Roma again cut us right through. We should thank Cicinho for the bad miss
Posted by: misha Oct 28 2007, 04:24 PM
That was a clear foul on Kaka
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 04:25 PM
We keep giving them the ball over and over again
I assume if you want a convincing answer to that question, go to R7.
//
We're playing like SH1t
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:25 PM
The ref has been making these bad decisions throughout the game
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 04:26 PM
Juan clearly hit the ball first.
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 04:26 PM
still no goals from the matches that ended 0 - 0 at half-time!
Posted by: misha Oct 28 2007, 04:27 PM
He took his leg
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Oct 28 2007, 04:28 PM
Let's not blame the ref for our bad performance.
Last week it was "they came to defend" wonder what the excuse will be this week?
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 04:29 PM
ROMA GOL 
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Oct 28 2007, 04:29 PM
That was our own fault!
Posted by: misha Oct 28 2007, 04:29 PM
0:1
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:30 PM
Last week it was "they came to defend" wonder what the excuse will be this week?
Not blaming the ref, just saying these little bad decisions become annoying when they become repetitive
btw, Roma scored
How typical. Dida again not doing so well on that
Posted by: HasanHasanly Oct 28 2007, 04:30 PM
Bye bye Dida. Kalac.
Posted by: HasanHasanly Oct 28 2007, 04:32 PM
Only Seginho on???? GOURCUFFF, pleasseeee
Posted by: misha Oct 28 2007, 04:32 PM
Rino out Serginho in
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:32 PM
Sergio on Rino off
At least a positive suv from Carlo, I would have expected Brocchi to replace Rino
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Oct 28 2007, 04:32 PM
I really can't see how the goal was the fault of Dida! We have been absolutely shocking yet again and there is no excuse this time. Things need to change and not just on the playing front.
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Oct 28 2007, 04:33 PM
At least a positive suv from Carlo, I would have expected Brocchi to replace Rino
Don't speak too soon...
Edit: Maldini for Favalli
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 04:34 PM
now that's how u cross a ball!
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:35 PM
Doni needs a kick in the @ss
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:36 PM
Brocchi to come on for Ambro in 5 mins
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Oct 28 2007, 04:37 PM
Now a penalty and Ambro off
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 04:37 PM
Roma penalty
red Ambro
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:37 PM
Ambro red
Posted by: HasanHasanly Oct 28 2007, 04:38 PM
ambro off? penalty? nice....
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 04:38 PM
MISS!!!
Posted by: misha Oct 28 2007, 04:38 PM
Thank you De Rossi
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:38 PM
De Rossi misses
Posted by: HasanHasanly Oct 28 2007, 04:38 PM
phew.... Lucky Dida.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:39 PM
Come on we still have a chance. Wake up!!!
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:40 PM
Yellow for Favalli
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:40 PM
This ref is getting card happy
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:43 PM
Panucci Yellow
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:45 PM
De Rossi yellow
Getting funny now
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 04:45 PM
Gila header wide again
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Oct 28 2007, 04:46 PM
Gila unlucky
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:46 PM
Ohhhh Gila close again!!!!!
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 04:46 PM
Seedorf yellow
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:46 PM
Seedorf yellow 
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 04:47 PM
Serginho needs to become a first-team starter
Posted by: armisse Oct 28 2007, 04:48 PM
they were very bad
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:48 PM
5 mins added time to get a point
Posted by: armisse Oct 28 2007, 04:50 PM
they didnt try , for 1 or 2 match this is not bad but not all of them
Posted by: armisse Oct 28 2007, 04:51 PM
very lazy players
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:52 PM
2nd successive home defeat!!
This is getting humiliating
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 04:53 PM
FULL TIME!
wow.. i'm absolutely lost for words
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Oct 28 2007, 04:53 PM
This is quite ridiculous now, we will be lucky to play CL football next season playing like this.
Posted by: han2503 Oct 28 2007, 04:53 PM
FT 0-1
Posted by: RED&BLACK Milan Oct 28 2007, 04:55 PM
well whats the excuse now ?? I thought we had space to attack...but in the end we were very predictable on the attack and defense as well
Posted by: Darunia Oct 28 2007, 04:56 PM
Carlo makes his subs too late, plus Favalli won't really change things
Gourcuff should have been brought on for Ambro, it was noticable Ambro was tired
Posted by: arivanjj Oct 28 2007, 04:56 PM
+1
Posted by: Minami Oct 28 2007, 04:57 PM
I can't blieve it!!!!
How can we be that bad....
Posted by: Il Capitano Oct 28 2007, 04:57 PM
If I hear there is no crisis then I will go berserk.
Posted by: fresh_prince7 Oct 28 2007, 04:58 PM
Hey han we did beat shaktar..
But yes humiliating, pathetic, embarrassing.. all choice words..
Can't wait to hear the optimism from R7..
2W, 4D. 3L = 10 pts, brilliant.
Posted by: misha Oct 28 2007, 04:58 PM
I only saw the second half but we had spaces to attak, but the players were just too nervous and the fans were (understandable) impatient. This is getting f@cking more embarrassing every week. Still without a home win this season in Serie a and another home loss. All the players were awful. Maybe somebody should have said to them that this is a CL game to make them play. No excuse for this (though I'm sure Carlo will blame the ref). When you are Milan and you are out of the championship race in the October, you know that something is seriously wrong.
Posted by: KillerMax Oct 28 2007, 05:01 PM
I think from now on I'm gonna watch only the CL games until something is changed.
Posted by: shevchenko_007 Oct 28 2007, 05:02 PM
That was fuking ridiculous, i could not believe my eyes for a lot of things in that game.
I dont like blaming the ref but he fukn lost the plot in that game!
Ancelotti has lost the plot, there are too many things wrong to discuss as i cant be fukd typing it all, im sure we all know how stupid he is being atm.
It was a very winable game as they werent like normal serie A teams that just defend the whole game, we did have the space to attack and yet we were still slow on the ball!
I think i will just follow the champions league while i can coz we wont be in it for much longer!
Posted by: misha Oct 28 2007, 05:03 PM
Liverpool - Arsenal game is on. At least a little distraction
Posted by: whoarethepatriots Oct 28 2007, 05:11 PM
My emotions are getting the better of me. Im not gonna comment till i have calmed down.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 28 2007, 05:24 PM
I really wish I could say I'm shocked. But I was expecting this. We're still not motivated enough to play well I guess.
It wasn't about spaces it never was. It's a combination of a lack of inventiveness and a rather out of form defence that's causing it I suppose.
Too much inconsistency.
I think it's a mental block.
goal.com is running an article about how time is running out for Carletto.
I suppose we're supposed to be Serie A's version of the spurs.
Posted by: Nova Oct 28 2007, 05:26 PM
This is just unbelievable.
What a horrible performance. Embarrasing ...
I dont mind losing , but not like this . And I dont even wanna hear about the referee. Even tough he sucked badly , Milan lost and have only themselves to blaim.
We are 13th !
I feel bad for all those Milanfans around the World , putting real effort to go watch a game ,to see these kinda performances. And Im not even talking about the people who paid a lot of money to get a season pass at san siro.
And a new coach aint gonna do nothing ! I predicit we would even play worse , esspecially if that clown is coming.
Posted by: MizNelson Oct 28 2007, 05:52 PM
Oh, come on already! He was easily our MotM today, which we don't get to say too often. Our defense was a colander and he prevented the scoreline from being FAR worse.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 28 2007, 05:57 PM
I'm sorry Beemer, but even you're not gonna cheer me up tonight...
Ok...excuses that they'll come up with...
1. First/Only choice fullbacks were both out.
2. Ambro's red card left us in a position, where we were not able to fight back due to being a man down.
3. We made lots of chances but were unlucky not to finish them off.
Whatever....our defence has been a problem lately. I don't care whether it needs to be tweaked or changed. Something's gotta happen there.
Posted by: Nova Oct 28 2007, 06:32 PM
Doesnt change the fact that he's right.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 28 2007, 06:40 PM
She's right you mean.
And no, we didn't lose coz of any particular player. Disease goes in deeper.
Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 28 2007, 06:48 PM
sigh... what is going on in milano. I think the board and carlo should hold a meeting to find out how to fix this deal.
Posted by: Nova Oct 28 2007, 07:00 PM
 And no, we didn't lose coz of any particular player. Disease goes in deeper.
That goal was all Maldini & nesta's fault. But I dont critisise them.
The whole team played bad , with the exception of Dida & Cafu.
btw , my reply to Bmw was about another member's comment on Dida being.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 07:03 PM
He was great tonight, one of our best players, except for the goal which he acted like a blind. I don't want to believe it was impossible to save that ball, because we all saw what Casillas did at Madrid-Olympiaco game in the 93th minute. that was impossible to save and yet Casillas saved it.
Posted by: KillerMax Oct 28 2007, 07:15 PM
You are talking about a player that is right up there with Buffon. Casillias is a player of much higher value than Dida. Dida has always been inconsistent in his career.
Posted by: Nova Oct 28 2007, 07:18 PM
Why are you comparing 2 completely different events ? What has casillas save got to do with the goal conceded today ?
And that wasnt so impossible to save. Dida versus ajax a few years ago , that was impossible. But again , hasnt got anything to do with today.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 07:21 PM
Milan deserves the best. we should've fvcking signed Buffon at all cost.
p.s.: I sent you a pm. didn't you get it?
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 28 2007, 07:26 PM
And that wasnt so impossible to save. Dida versus ajax a few years ago , that was impossible. But again , hasnt got anything to do with today.
I was trying to explain Dida could/should have saved that ball. Dida of three years ago could possibly save that. but that Dida is past his prime now
Posted by: KillerMax Oct 28 2007, 07:26 PM
I did, but I think there was an error or something. Check your messages now.
Posted by: Nova Oct 28 2007, 07:30 PM
C'mon now mate , he couldn't save that ball. I know he's a clown sometimes but today he was flawless and instead of talking about him having to save that header , better talk about Maldini / Nesta wo are responsible for that goal. wich I wont do either ...
Agreed , Dida is not what he used to be. But he has got my faith. And I know he will save us again like he did before.
Posted by: MizNelson Oct 28 2007, 07:31 PM
Agreed , Dida is not what he used to be. But he has got my faith. And I know he will save us again like he did before.
He's actually been consistently solid (love that adverb overuse) in goal since the Glasgow incident.
Nonetheless, I think I'm going to quit watching Milan on FSC. I saw the Empoli match and we know how that turned out. Then today.
Posted by: redbabies Oct 28 2007, 07:34 PM
shame
embarrassment
humiliation
disgrace
Posted by: KillerMax Oct 28 2007, 07:37 PM
embarrassment
humiliation
disgrace
Encouraging words.
Posted by: Nova Oct 28 2007, 07:39 PM
embarrassment
humiliation
disgrace
Posted by: MizNelson Oct 28 2007, 07:41 PM
embarrassment
humiliation
disgrace
Yeah, but what about the match?
Posted by: redbabies Oct 28 2007, 07:47 PM
the match is very well explained with those 4 "beautiful" words
Posted by: MizNelson Oct 28 2007, 08:19 PM
So true.
Here's the utterly ridiculous ratings from Goal.com:
Dida – 6.5: Had a good game, looking assured when coming out, and gathering cleanly apart from that one instance when he palmed the ball back to Cicinho.
Cafu – 7.5: Was the best of the Milan back four by some distance, looking assured in defence, and always involved in the attacks. Was simply everywhere, albeit helped by Roma's lack of aggression on the left.
Nesta – 5: Made more than a few mistakes on the afternoon, failing to clear a Cicinho cross, then allowing Vucinic to slip past him in the first half, and then again falling asleep when the Montenegrin scored.
Kaladze – 5: Was slightly better than Nesta, but centre-halves work in pairs, and he simply wasn't good enough on the day.
Maldini – 6: A good personal display was ruined by that one moment when he was not within 25 yards of Cicinho as the Brazilian delivered that killer cross for Vucinic. Before that, the veteran had held up his end of the bargain against Cicinho and Mancini, and showed some good presence going forward.
Pirlo – 4: It was a disappointing midfield display from Milan that saw Roma dominate possession. When Milan did have the ball, Maldini and Cafu seemed to see more of it out wide than Pirlo in the middle, which just about tells the story. A forgettable afternoon for the maestro.
Ambrosini – 4: Failed to make any impression at all on the game, with De Rossi very clearly having the measure of him.
Gattuso – 8: The midfield terrier was the one who kept Milan from falling to bits. Was absolutely everywhere in defence, and also made more than his share of the contribution in attack. Another game in which all his hard work has gone to waste.
Seedorf – 5.5: Apart from a couple of moments - one wherein he almost volleyed a Cafu cross into the net like against Shakhtar - had a very forgettable game. That has been the story of the season for Milan - a good one followed by a poor one.
Kaka – 5: The imperious Kaka that turned out against Shakhtar was absolutely nowhere to be seen. There were a couple of good moments in the first half, but he was completely blanked out in the second, struggling to even get a touch.
Gilardino – 5: Precious little came his way, less so as the game went on. He did precious little when it did. Should have scored at least one from the three chances.
ROMA
Doni – 7: Did not have too many saves to make, but looked solid when he did. Came out well to smother the danger from those speculative long balls.
Cicinho – 9: He may be no Maradona, but he is on line to become one of the best right-backs in the world if he does justice to the potential he showed at San Siro. Everything he touched turned to gold. The Brazilian was by some distance the man of the match.
Mexes – 6.5: A solid outing on the evening as he kept Gilardino on a very short leash, though the striker did get away a few times.
Juan – 6.5: A good game, particularly in the air, but he did get mixed up a couple of times when the likes of Gattuso and Cafu unexpectedly slipped into the box.
Cassetti – 5: Roma looked very weak on their left. There were no glaring errors from the left-back, but it was a below-par display on the night as Cafu and Gattuso found plenty of joy on that flank.
Pizarro – 7: A solid display as Roma got the better of Milan in the middle of the pitch. Also swung in some great balls into the box.
De Rossi – 6: Would have earned himself at least a seven or even an eight for a dominating midfield display, but for that shambolic penalty miss that almost ruined it for Roma. Of course, I would have been singing to a different tune had that impudent chip gone in!
Tonetto - 5.5: Not the greatest of games, as he did not provide enough cover to Cassetti, and did not contribute enough up front.
Mancini – 8: Combined very well with Cicinho on the right, and used his mobility to great effect to drag the Milan defenders out of their positions. Was largely responsible for Cicinho finding a lot of space.
Vucinic – 6.5: Missed a glorious first half chance, and that could well have been his lingering memory from the game. However, he made up for a poor show with a scorching header, diving superbly to direct Cicinho's cross into the net.
Posted by: dst Oct 28 2007, 10:33 PM
How sad...
Why do we have to live through this when everyone could see it come...
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 28 2007, 10:42 PM
I had one of the worst days in my life. Then someone sms's me the result for the match and it just didn't make a difference to me, that we lost. That is how bad my day was!
Right now, reading about the match, it seems as though Roma deserved the points. And I am happy for them, as they need it to keep the pressure on inter.
Milan as a whole (from what i understand) were a totally different team from last Wednesday. And that falls down on the players for not putting the extra effort. Cuz with this kind of performance the team concedes a goal. had Milan played the way it played against United last year or Bayern. The team could have easily gotten the points. I mean, if Kaka' or Seedorf turned it on, then Roma would have bowed out of the San Siro at the 90th minute with little to say.
I only have one thing to add ... This team is missing something. This is clearly evident. And it seems as though the team is lacking a Sheva-type player. Just like the problems the team faced last year. Milan then got Ronaldo, who quickly shifted Milan from mid table to top flight .. We are clearly missing Ronaldo.
No, this is not a 'new alibi' .. This is a fact. Maybe in the CL Milan pound their opponents both tactically and technically. But in Serie A, a Sheva-type striker is what this team is missing. And until Ronaldo gets fit to play, I don't see Milan regaining status in Serie A. Hopefully he will be back soon.
Posted by: bigmacmtl Oct 28 2007, 10:49 PM
great news, 3 pts from relegation everyone! thats how bad this team is.. period. hopefully we miss out on CL, rebuild this team and focus on serie a next season then get back in CL resh and new.
Posted by: bigmacmtl Oct 28 2007, 10:51 PM
anybody know if this is a record? 7-8 home games without a win!!! thats bad for any team in any league.
Posted by: gawlo Oct 28 2007, 11:03 PM
I'm wondering how long fans at san siro will be taking such disastour results in serie a and when crowd will took off the white fens from their pockets to explain what they think about Milan nowadays politic.
And don't worry guys we will win the first game at san siro in serie a seaon till end of this year. Pls be patient
Posted by: vnata001 Oct 29 2007, 12:34 AM
i got a series of points, agree or disagree with me at will:
1. Ambrosini is a liability when we play in serie A. He tries hard(er) than most players, and that's worth mentioning. But in Serie A, i think he's expendable in the lineup. He is a hard working, gutsy midfielder that bangs around, plays with heart, and its these players that define italian football. In CL, he is essential, as there is more space, and we need his tenacity in the midfield making challenges and sparking counter attacks. But in Serie A our counterattacking style does NOT work. Teams like to close up, we need intricate passing outside the 18 with players that have good close control and creativity. Ambro is not that player. Hes bulky, and more often than not his touches are heavy. I don't see a point to him playing as often as he does in Serie A. this leads me to my next point...
2. Where is Gourcuff!?! Why the f*** did we buy him? i dont understand. Last week for Barcelona, Bojan Krkic scored! and Gio Dos Santos came on as a sub, and it wasn't in the 86th minute! Sebastian Leto and Ryan Babel get substantial playing time for Liverpool. Nani? Anderson? Rooney? C. Ronaldo? Man U is winning with regular first team players under 22. Madrid-Marcelo, Gago, Higuain, Drenthe - All regulars! if theyre not in the first team, they see action week in and week out.
- see my point? These youngsters are getting good right in front of our eyes, getting valuable playing time with regular first team veterans. Their learning curve is huge. This is the time for yoann to play..ESPECIALLY if the team is struggling like this.
- Look at some of the players Yoann came up with on the French under 21 squad. Nasri, Benzema, Lassana Diarra. Yoann was supposedly better than all these players! but look at them. They play on their clubs, and they are rapidly becoming recognized.
- CARLO is too stubborn! In Serie A, take Ambro off, play Yoann next to Clarence, behind Kaka' and Gila! Play Gattuso and Pirlo behind them! Tell me that wouldn't be a more versatile line up. Gourcuff would probably take a few games to settle in before he starts scoring from the 18.
3. Kinda fits into my 1st point- Why did we waste 5 mil euros? I think Emerson should play more in Serie A. Since Carlo insists on playing 2 DMs, I think Emerson is a more suitable Defensive mid in serie A. He may not have a huge physical presence like Ambro does, but he seems more controlled on the ball, and a better passer. Could help us out a little bit. For example today against Roma, Ambro looked terrible. i felt emerson should have been on at the half, especially after Ambro picked up that yellow, and played like he did.
4. I dont know how I feel about Carlo. and I say this now but i honestly remember feeling this way last season as well. Sure our players shut up all of our complaints with their play in Europe, and they still may this year, especially when Ronnie Returns..but i think Carlo is too conservative. He sticks with his old guns. Theres no reason not to play gourcuff at this point. You really think brocchi is a better player than yoann? i dont see an excuse for picking brocchi over yoann..EVER. AANDD, i dont think Carlo, or Galliani for that matter, really attract the young starlet players. When players come here, they come to play for the Club, or to play with fellow Brazilians (ronnie, emerson, pato, etc..) Thats why Madrid, Barca, Chelsea, and Man U suck up all the young talents. They all know Carlo would play Brocchi over them.
I don't know..what do you guys think?
Posted by: KillerMax Oct 29 2007, 12:53 AM
1. Ambrosini is a liability when we play in serie A. He tries hard(er) than most players, and that's worth mentioning. But in Serie A, i think he's expendable in the lineup. He is a hard working, gutsy midfielder that bangs around, plays with heart, and its these players that define italian football. In CL, he is essential, as there is more space, and we need his tenacity in the midfield making challenges and sparking counter attacks. But in Serie A our counterattacking style does NOT work. Teams like to close up, we need intricate passing outside the 18 with players that have good close control and creativity. Ambro is not that player. Hes bulky, and more often than not his touches are heavy. I don't see a point to him playing as often as he does in Serie A. this leads me to my next point...
2. Where is Gourcuff!?! Why the f*** did we buy him? i dont understand. Last week for Barcelona, Bojan Krkic scored! and Gio Dos Santos came on as a sub, and it wasn't in the 86th minute! Sebastian Leto and Ryan Babel get substantial playing time for Liverpool. Nani? Anderson? Rooney? C. Ronaldo? Man U is winning with regular first team players under 22. Madrid-Marcelo, Gago, Higuain, Drenthe - All regulars! if theyre not in the first team, they see action week in and week out.
- see my point? These youngsters are getting good right in front of our eyes, getting valuable playing time with regular first team veterans. Their learning curve is huge. This is the time for yoann to play..ESPECIALLY if the team is struggling like this.
- Look at some of the players Yoann came up with on the French under 21 squad. Nasri, Benzema, Lassana Diarra. Yoann was supposedly better than all these players! but look at them. They play on their clubs, and they are rapidly becoming recognized.
- CARLO is too stubborn! In Serie A, take Ambro off, play Yoann next to Clarence, behind Kaka' and Gila! Play Gattuso and Pirlo behind them! Tell me that wouldn't be a more versatile line up. Gourcuff would probably take a few games to settle in before he starts scoring from the 18.
3. Kinda fits into my 1st point- Why did we waste 5 mil euros? I think Emerson should play more in Serie A. Since Carlo insists on playing 2 DMs, I think Emerson is a more suitable Defensive mid in serie A. He may not have a huge physical presence like Ambro does, but he seems more controlled on the ball, and a better passer. Could help us out a little bit. For example today against Roma, Ambro looked terrible. i felt emerson should have been on at the half, especially after Ambro picked up that yellow, and played like he did.
4. I dont know how I feel about Carlo. and I say this now but i honestly remember feeling this way last season as well. Sure our players shut up all of our complaints with their play in Europe, and they still may this year, especially when Ronnie Returns..but i think Carlo is too conservative. He sticks with his old guns. Theres no reason not to play gourcuff at this point. You really think brocchi is a better player than yoann? i dont see an excuse for picking brocchi over yoann..EVER. AANDD, i dont think Carlo, or Galliani for that matter, really attract the young starlet players. When players come here, they come to play for the Club, or to play with fellow Brazilians (ronnie, emerson, pato, etc..) Thats why Madrid, Barca, Chelsea, and Man U suck up all the young talents. They all know Carlo would play Brocchi over them.
I don't know..what do you guys think?
I agree wholeheartedly. I really think the management's conservative thinking has let us to this mess. Especially the directors in the first place, in the transfer market, and then Ancelotti for not developing Gourcuff and using his vast creativity to unlock some of the tight defenses that we face.
I get angry every time I watch our non-creative players passing the ball to each other in the opposition's half with NO strategy. For example:
Ambro to Gattuso
Gattuso back to Ambro
Ambro to Jakulovski
Janku back to Ambro
Ambro to Gattuso again
Gattuso back to Ambro AGAIN
This has got to stop. No professional team is going to open up with that. If anything, they will keep getting tighter and close the space even more.
I've been saying forever that Carletto has to play Seedorf, Gourcuff and Kaka together when playing with a lone striker. But as Galliani said, Carletto is a romatic and he loves his CL winning first eleven in Athena too much to bench them. He even said that once.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 29 2007, 01:09 AM
The positive sides of this match can be pointed out very easily, cause there are only a few:
1) Dida - IMO very solid, secure and good. He did concentrate, he wasn't lost for a moment. He did not flatter with his arms nervously like a bat, just like he did few weeks ago. He's back I hope.
2) Cafu - first time in 2 years I saw him play very good. He tried, he was there. The final touch was missing, but dammit Oddo lacks of the same thing. Plus he made a few great tackles.
3) Serginho - looks refreshing, is dangerous. If Carlo plays Gila, he should play Sergio on the left. Appearently the only way Gilardino is dangerous is when we cross the ball from our sides.
That's it. The negative sides,...ohhh,...Nesta is playing real bad (not only this match), Kaladze - CB - no hope, Ancelotti - no refreshments, Gilardino still indolent, Seedorf deserved a 0,...
Ambrosini, Seedorf, even Pirlo all very nervous,...it is a crisis situation.
Did someone capture Silvio's companionship? He was with Sacchi and Capello. Maybe he is preparing a triad ?
Posted by: Portikins Oct 29 2007, 01:36 AM
We're almost in November and still no wins in Serie A at home...
PATHETIC. Champions of Europe? Oh and -11.
PS: Let's renew with Carletto, Ambrosini, Cafu, Serginho, Favalli...
PS v2: Let's be supportive.
Posted by: bigmacmtl Oct 29 2007, 01:40 AM
I've been saying forever that Carletto has to play Seedorf, Gourcuff and Kaka together when playing with a lone striker. But as Galliani said, Carletto is a romatic and he loves his CL winning first eleven in Athena too much to bench them. He even said that once.
ya agreed,
remember the days when we had kaka was behind the 2 STRIKERS, and only had rino and pirlo play back in mid now we play with 1 less striker and compensate that with a defensive mid
?!?! on a side not some people here have this idea that ronaldo is the promised messiah or something... even with him back we cant play 2 strikers cuz that leaves us with 1 spare!! our strike force will get tired so fast.
Posted by: bigmacmtl Oct 29 2007, 01:50 AM
I only have one thing to add ... This team is missing something. This is clearly evident. And it seems as though the team is lacking a Sheva-type player. Just like the problems the team faced last year. Milan then got Ronaldo, who quickly shifted Milan from mid table to top flight .. We are clearly missing Ronaldo.
you make it sound each game like it's a shock each time that we lose or play badly and how it's a simple as one one of two players deciding to play like seedorf LOL wake up a guy like seedorf is NEVER going to play consistently in serie a, ambrosini/gattuso/brocchi/emerson are never going to help us break down defenses and win games, are old def is only going to get worse. a ronaldo who has been injury prone his whole career is not going to suddenly become mr.s always fit not that he is in his 30s.
Posted by: MizNelson Oct 29 2007, 02:53 AM
I'm just tired of people resting their hopes on injury-riddled Ronaldo and unproven Pato salvaging our season.
Posted by: mishie Oct 29 2007, 03:05 AM
disaster simple as that, this side was old last year but this year has just aged before are eyes!
a back line with a average age of 34!! c'mon how are we supposed to combat pace and movement with players who's legs don't work any more.
this is all about next season milan must prepare and rebuild the squad as we all know but not with emerson type signings, they must be young and fresh and hungry. i want carlo there next season as he deserves to be the one that rebuilds this team and take us on to further glory
forza milan!!
Posted by: MizNelson Oct 29 2007, 03:20 AM
It's going to take a bomb going off under management's noses to realize change is needed. That probably won't happen until we finish 10th and don't qualify for Europe next season.
I mean, look what happened with Bayern. They aren't in the CL this year, so they signed Toni and have played like gangbusters since. At this point, they're a cinch for the UEFA Cup. We should swallow our pride and open up the wallet.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 29 2007, 12:45 PM
It's something that has NEVER happened in the Berlusconi era; in fact it's unparalleled in the past 24 years.
and yet, there's no crisis at Milan, according to Galliani.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 29 2007, 03:27 PM
Because Galliani says what he means by crisis, is not what the press imply.
He says, we are in a bad way as far as results go.
But crisis would be if there was all sorts of in-fighting etc. in the club. Basically the results are bad, and so the players are disappointed. But otherwise they are happy.
Posted by: dst Oct 29 2007, 05:08 PM
Yes, if you earned what they do, you'd be happy too!
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 29 2007, 05:27 PM
Why should they be unhappy? they don't even have to compete for a starting place!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 29 2007, 05:50 PM
^^^
Now it's may fault. Hey I was just explaining what Galliani was saying...
And @dst....well I don't know. I mean Madrid and Chelsea pay more...
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 29 2007, 08:23 PM
They don't have to compete for a starting place ?! All the teams in the world dream of having anyone of our players !! Chelsea wanted Kakha so bad (i.e. Mourinho)! And we are talking about a player whom is considered a sub at Milan
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 29 2007, 08:34 PM
I cannot belive what we are talking about here,...
I mean,...crisis? Yes, we are in a crisis, in a crisis of results. Nothing more nothing less. Talking about the salary of our players and questioning their earnings is irrelevant. I don't give a damn how much they earn or how much they should earn.
We are playing very poor right now and have some motivation problems. But in 24 years we had some pretty tuff seasons, when we finished 10th or 11th. This is not one of them, simply because the Serie A is much weeker then in the 90-ties. We can finish at least 4th and secure another CL season.
This season clearly there will be no Italian trophies, and probably no CL success, but that's still an open topic. But we've won the Super cup, we also can win the CWC and finish a mediocre bad season. In more then 8 years one season had to be bad, and this is the one probably. But why make such a big thing about it? Milan, Berlusconi and Ancelotti spoiled us a bit. Cause we treat this situation as a real big crisis. We say all those big words after a Roma loss, but in the end, it really wasn't such a humiliation. It wasn't such an embarassment either. It's just a lost match...and a bad form. We've won the Cl last year. That joyful feeling covers me still up and it will last till the seasons end, no matter what happens.
We have won everything possible, except maybe the CWC. So we can afford a bad season if we do at least the minimum - CL qualification and CL 1/4 final. My recommendation is - lean back, put a Donnie Hathaway song on, lean back and watch the season relaxed without further any expectations and without any bad feelings. Every team must reach his lowpoint, and sure, this is one of them. There's nothing we can do.
Transfers? Oh, they will buy us some nice players and some others will go, I'm pretty sure. 2 years without big names (except Ronaldo maybe)...that's a long time. But eventually they 'll come. Drogba, Kanoute, someone will show up, others will follow, soon we'll have new a pillar. Till then, we'll have time to shout at Gila, cry about Pippo and glare at Kaka's magic.
The only real sad thing about all that is that Paolo will end his career after such a bad season. But it really does not matter to him I suppose. And one other thing - the fact that Inter is pretty close to us now when it comes to Serie A titles. Damn it, I want us to have the second star before them,...
Posted by: dst Oct 29 2007, 08:35 PM
No.
Because everyone could see it coming... last season wasn't a great season in terms of competitiveness and our board used the CL triumph to hide behind our problems... yes you don't change what's not broken but if you don't take good care of it, it will undoubtedly break down in the end!
Good post!
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 29 2007, 08:58 PM
Great post Fillipo 
@dst .. No ? yes i agree they don't, but do you understand why they don't ? Cuz they would be considered starters in any team in the world.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 29 2007, 08:59 PM
Keeps the fans from being big-headed.
Milan always have our best interests at heart...
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 29 2007, 09:47 PM
@dst .. No ? yes i agree they don't, but do you understand why they don't ? Cuz they would be considered starters in any team in the world.
I somewhat agree with R7.
It's not like we have a bad team that needs drastically improving. Depth we can increase, but can we really increase thae quality we have on the field when we already have some of the best players in the World? I'm not so sure.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 29 2007, 10:31 PM
AAHH come on!! don't say that for God's sake
Only Nesta, Pirlo, Gattuso and Kaka would be regular starters in any other team in the world.
You very well know Real wouldn't even consider a player like Ambrosini for their bench, let alone the starting XI. or Imagine Barca with Henry, Messi, Eto'o, Ronaldinho, even Gudjohnsen and Krkic at their disposal fielding ALBERTO GILARDINO every match as a regular starter!
Posted by: KillerMax Oct 29 2007, 10:39 PM
AAHH come on!! don't say that for God's sake
Only Nesta, Pirlo, Gattuso and Kaka would be regular starters in any other team in the world.
You very well know Real wouldn't even consider a player like Ambrosini for their bench, let alone the starting XI.
Guti is Real's Ambrosini. Real's Gila is Robinho.
Posted by: zdrossoneri Oct 29 2007, 10:47 PM
Guti is far more creative than Ambrosini and has a far better technique. Amro is only better physically. Robinho... he needs a little time. if consistent and at his best, he is unstoppable.
Posted by: bigmacmtl Oct 29 2007, 11:43 PM
All the teams in the world dream of having anyone of our players !! Chelsea wanted Kakha so bad (i.e. Mourinho)! And we are talking about a player whom is considered a sub at Milan that was 2 years ago when he played great with nesta, since then he's played as good as pascal cygan
Posted by: KillerMax Oct 29 2007, 11:54 PM
Ambrosini is far better defensively and is far better in the air. Gilardino... he needs a little time. if consistent and at his best, he is unstoppable.
There is no end to this conversation. We do need new signings, but more like Saviola and Sneijder signings. Which Real madrid did and didn't get rid of Robinho or Guti either.
Posted by: dst Oct 30 2007, 12:23 AM
We have a great XI but we have no bench... our starters have no competition for their place, no matter how bad they play in one game, they are going to play in the next one too! That's bad for the team... everyone needs motivation, if one knows he can be benched, he's going to try harder! Imagine if Ancelotti replaced Nesta with Bonera, Pirlo with Emerson and Seedorf with Gourcuff for the Sampdoria game... even Nova would say "sack Carlo, sack Galliani!"...
Real have Michel Salgado (no comments), Baptista (he is even worse than Brocchi) and Robinho (if Gila is only scoring when we're a couple goals up, then that joke of a player has made a name for himself doing that! He's just funny...) in their team...
Every team have some sorry-@ss players that should not be there... United have O'Shea and Fletcher (they even had Phil Neville...
), Barcelona have Valdes, Edmilson and Sylvinho, Liverpool have Arbeloa, Kuyt and Crouch, Chelsea with Sinclair, Belletti and Bridge... the difference is most of these players rarely get a chance for their respective teams while Brocchi and Kaladze are considered vital members for us!
Posted by: Nova Oct 30 2007, 12:51 AM
No Nova wouldn't say that !
Only if they replace Kaladze
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 30 2007, 07:23 AM
), Barcelona have Valdes, Edmilson and Sylvinho, Liverpool have Arbeloa, Kuyt and Crouch, Chelsea with Sinclair, Belletti and Bridge... the difference is most of these players rarely get a chance for their respective teams while Brocchi and Kaladze are considered vital members for us!So what's your point? We seem to do better with what we've got.
Actually I wouldn't say that about O Shea. Yes he's nothing compared to their first teamers. But in him SAF has got a loyal guy, who thinks nothing of sitting on the bench. Who can come out and put up a half-decent performance anywhere on the pitch, and can even keep if need be.
I think Benitez is just stupid about Crouch. He's I'd say a quite skilled player for all his seeming awkwardness.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 30 2007, 08:06 AM
@dst ... Madrid nearly 'came' when they got Baptista and Robinho
In any case, u get my point .. if Barca were to buy Dida, he would be a first team player for them.
If Madrid were to buy Kaka' he would be a first team player for them.
If Chelsea were to buy Pirlo, he would be a first team player and on and on ..
The reason why our players are playing almost 90% of the game is because Carlo wants to get the team well oiled for the next phase of the CL and the CWC. Once the team has regained it's form, he'll bring in Pato, Bonera, Emerson, etc into the first team set up and divide the playing time. We are still in October, we have like 7 more months to go ..
Posted by: KillerMax Oct 30 2007, 08:18 AM
In any case, u get my point .. if Barca were to buy Dida, he would be a first team player for them.
If Madrid were to buy Kaka' he would be a first team player for them.
If Chelsea were to buy Pirlo, he would be a first team player and on and on ..
The reason why our players are playing almost 90% of the game is because Carlo wants to get the team well oiled for the next phase of the CL and the CWC. Once the team has regained it's form, he'll bring in Pato, Bonera, Emerson, etc into the first team set up and divide the playing time. We are still in October, we have like 7 more months to go ..
Well the oilin' is going great I must say...
Posted by: dst Oct 30 2007, 08:45 AM
In any case, u get my point .. if Barca were to buy Dida, he would be a first team player for them.
If Madrid were to buy Kaka' he would be a first team player for them.
If Chelsea were to buy Pirlo, he would be a first team player and on and on ..
The reason why our players are playing almost 90% of the game is because Carlo wants to get the team well oiled for the next phase of the CL and the CWC. Once the team has regained it's form, he'll bring in Pato, Bonera, Emerson, etc into the first team set up and divide the playing time. We are still in October, we have like 7 more months to go ..
What have I done to you?? Why do you punish me?? I got your bloody point did you read my reply to it??
For God's sake man... I believe you didn't even take the time to read it so I'm not going to say it all over again!!
Posted by: BrigateRossonere Oct 30 2007, 10:50 AM
Frankly we are paying the price for our off season ennui. Our performance in Serie A should come as no surprise to anyone & lets face it if Carlo hadn't have won the UCL he would find himself on the unemployment queue by now.
Posted by: Nova Oct 30 2007, 12:36 PM
Posted by: weeeow Oct 30 2007, 01:43 PM
I mean,...crisis? Yes, we are in a crisis, in a crisis of results. Nothing more nothing less. Talking about the salary of our players and questioning their earnings is irrelevant. I don't give a damn how much they earn or how much they should earn.
We are playing very poor right now and have some motivation problems. But in 24 years we had some pretty tuff seasons, when we finished 10th or 11th. This is not one of them, simply because the Serie A is much weeker then in the 90-ties. We can finish at least 4th and secure another CL season.
This season clearly there will be no Italian trophies, and probably no CL success, but that's still an open topic. But we've won the Super cup, we also can win the CWC and finish a mediocre bad season. In more then 8 years one season had to be bad, and this is the one probably. But why make such a big thing about it? Milan, Berlusconi and Ancelotti spoiled us a bit. Cause we treat this situation as a real big crisis. We say all those big words after a Roma loss, but in the end, it really wasn't such a humiliation. It wasn't such an embarassment either. It's just a lost match...and a bad form. We've won the Cl last year. That joyful feeling covers me still up and it will last till the seasons end, no matter what happens.
We have won everything possible, except maybe the CWC. So we can afford a bad season if we do at least the minimum - CL qualification and CL 1/4 final. My recommendation is - lean back, put a Donnie Hathaway song on, lean back and watch the season relaxed without further any expectations and without any bad feelings. Every team must reach his lowpoint, and sure, this is one of them. There's nothing we can do.
Transfers? Oh, they will buy us some nice players and some others will go, I'm pretty sure. 2 years without big names (except Ronaldo maybe)...that's a long time. But eventually they 'll come. Drogba, Kanoute, someone will show up, others will follow, soon we'll have new a pillar. Till then, we'll have time to shout at Gila, cry about Pippo and glare at Kaka's magic.
The only real sad thing about all that is that Paolo will end his career after such a bad season. But it really does not matter to him I suppose. And one other thing - the fact that Inter is pretty close to us now when it comes to Serie A titles. Damn it, I want us to have the second star before them,...
thankoo!
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 30 2007, 10:06 PM
For God's sake man... I believe you didn't even take the time to read it so I'm not going to say it all over again!!
No i read ur post
And i got ur point .. i.e. rotation is the best motivation. But that is a different case to ours. Look all around Europe and if you can find one team that has as much cohesion and understand as our team, u can hold it against me. With that said, even with the understanding in the team .. our players are of the highest quality .. No team in the world has a Pirlo, nor a Kaka', nor a Maldini, nor a Nesta, nor a Pippo, nor a Gattuso .. I mean they might have something of a lesser quality, but they don't have the real deal. This is what i am saying.
Yes we don't have a bench as good as Chelsea or Barca, but we have hard workers on our bench who give 100% when they are on (not counting the Gourcuff and Pato in Jan). Problem is, dst, people are judging too early. In a month or so, I doubt this will be the case
This team has done it before, when the same critics were out to laminate on issues like the team is old and lack of motivation ( the usual BS ).
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 30 2007, 10:31 PM
No offense to him, I love the guy. But there's a tonne of strikers better than Pippo. You can't honestly say he IS one of the best in the World?
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 30 2007, 10:52 PM
Who doesn't love Pippo
As a box striker ? They didn't call him Super Pippo Inzaghi for nothing .. And I don't know for how long you have watched Pippo play, but there are several Gkeepers who get weak knees (till this day) when they see him in that 18-yard box.
Pippo is the striker that never chokes in a BIG match. He is the decisive man .. He is a point of reference when you talk about top caliber strikers ... U know what, i am not even complementing him enough with all this, people say he is lucky and all that cr@p ... But go talk to Del Piero, he'll tell you what I mean
p.s. he made the scousers cry .. Not even Drogba could do that
Posted by: dst Oct 30 2007, 11:22 PM
... that's not what I was saying! I said that our players feel secure! I'm not saying the subs SHOULD be used, I'm saying that if the subs are quality players the starters have to always play good to keep their place! Now Seedorf or Pirlo can have a string of awful performances but they will still keep their place in the starting XI because their replacements are nothing but jokes!Yes I would give 100% if I was at Milan too... does that mean I'd be worth a place there??
I don't have anything against those guys... it's not their fault if God was in a bad mood the day they were born! They probably WANT TO but the simply CANNOT...
The team is old and the team lacks motivation... if you can't see that then you should stop blindly agreeing with whatever Galliani says! Of course our starting XI players are amazing footballers but they don't have the will to kill small teams... they just won't try hard enough! I see that every week on the field, Galliani's words or yours won't fool me...
The team is motivated only in the big occasions and that's one reason why they won the 'Big Ear' last season and that's why they have a good chance to do so again. But they are also old, they can't be competitive in Serie A AND the CL... they just can't!
So yes, the team lacks motivation and the team is old... winning the CL proved how great these players are but these are facts that can't be denied!
As for Pippo, first of all... Super Pippo is not a good nickname... cause in Italian it means this guy here:
Super Pippo = Sooper Goofy!
Pippo's technique is bad. I mean BAD. Twenty years ago he wouldn't even be good for an amateur... but he is the most decisive player I've ever seen. And even if I'll be eternally thankful for his brace that killed the linnets I'm still not very fond of him...
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 30 2007, 11:52 PM
Oh dst .. I didn't misunderstand u .. I totally did !! I guess, i just wanted to get to the point too fast, instead of explaining 'rotation for motivation' ... I mean, even Broochi would laugh at the fact of benching Seedorf and Gourcuff might get brain damage for just thinking if he ever benched Kaka' ...
Bringing in Essian or Diarra (for sake of example) would mean breaking up the setting of the team. On paper we would look a lot stronger, but in the locker room Gattuso and Pirlo would start having second thoughts .. cuz any new comer with quality, whom is guarenteed first team football at his club, isn't gonna accept a sub's role. Therefor, Emerson and Broochi are not as bad as you think, after all they are Serie A quality.
The whole issue about transfers is something we have gone back and forth on several times, and this wont be the last
Problem is, us fans desire to see the team in contention, just like Roma or *gulp* inter right now .. U know that i too would love to enjoy a Milan win (just like anybody else) ... But I have come to acknowledge that Carlo has agreed to take this team and bring in the club's targets at the end of the season. Though the team has fallen below expectation recently, I still believe Milan will stand up again! Nothing can break this team!
Maybe Milan ain't the same as in 04-05 But the core is still there, except the targets are not the same. And so what if Milan is old !! Milan is gaining experience every year. Remember what Kaka' said after Istanbul, "Without players like Costacurta and Maldini, the team would have taken the defeat much harder than we did" (the exact wording is not the same, but the moral lies in my summary of what he said) ... U know, to me experience is vital. It is the reason behind my love for this team. Sure a Kaka' or Pato would be a breath of fresh air for us fans But the experience is something priceless, if you know what i mean.
Pippo ? You don't love Pippo 
... I knew it !!! U were a merda at heart
You just want to disagree with me don't u
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