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post Aug 2 2014, 05:41 AM
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Not me, I can't support Milan long term with guys like galliani in charge. Just depressing on a daily basis. I can't have my day ruined everyday because of this.

This is my last season. If there isn't any signs of changes taking place or going to take place, I'm out. Enough torture, it's been 6 years.

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post Aug 2 2014, 11:47 AM
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I'd rather you quit now tbh. Nothing personal, and you're entitled to your choice, but if you're even considering stopping supporting this Club you should do so now.

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post Aug 2 2014, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 2 2014, 08:41 AM) *
Not me, I can't support Milan long term with guys like galliani in charge. Just depressing on a daily basis. I can't have my day ruined everyday because of this.

This is my last season. If there isn't any signs of changes taking place or going to take place, I'm out. Enough torture, it's been 6 years.


But is it torture? I mean what would Liverpool fans say (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Nah, you cant support another team out of the blue, blue (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Aug 2 2014, 12:35 PM
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To be a great club nowadays is no longer a mater of prestige and status, it requires only $$$, sadly. Milan, just like most Serie A teams runs at a loss. Throw FFP into the mix, and we have no right to look to the sky. Berlusconi looked to the sky and made us look up with him, when he would finance the gaps in Milan and finance the fat contracts that made up our great team. Yeah we had a right to look at the market and say we want Ronaldinho or Xavi. Nowadays, we have no business looking that far up. Not even moderately up, as now we have to sell before we buy. Now we have a wage capped at 4M, no more.

Well, here we disagree. I don't know about you, but people still don't consider Man City a great club. They have their doubts with PSG as well. And I agree. Money is the prime way to excel and reach highs, but Milan will always be Milan, just like Madrid or Barcelona.

We have no business looking up? I don't think so. I think fans should always expect the best and getting better. You sound like you're management, and not a fan. Management cannot afford to look up, but the sad thing is they're partially responsible for that.

FFP? It really sounds like a magical word. Like a myth.

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This is the thing, money will definitely lead them elsewhere. Those kids that used to watch Cafu, Maldini, Shevchenko and the likes are already in their 25+ and are currently playing at professional (some rich) clubs. This is all sentiment based, and can only be aligned with Balotelli as a prime example of a Milanfan/player. Yet is Balotelli a prime example of players we would like to attract? Or Muntari? Or Montolivo for that matter?

But still young enough to have seen Silva play. But yes, we're loosing ground. And by starting feuds with people like Seedorf, Albertini or Maldini...well...that's the real bad road.

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This is the thing, I shall reiterate again ‘time’. Either we sit here, like we do, everyday complaining and pointing fingers at ‘obvious’ figures at the club. Or we sit down and understand that a restructuring actually takes this long because it depends on (i) our youth taking the next step up (ii) the market opening up options for us (ie Balotelli). Two components that we, unfortunately, do not have control over.

We as who? The management? They sure can control those things, partially at least. You see, here's the problem. I think our management should have done better, considerably better. The youth program should have been organized years ago, not just few seasons ago. We also should have had better mercatos, as Han put it in another thread, Milan had many missed chances to snap up players like Hernanes or Strootman. And I'd be perfectly on your side shouting "but we are broke" and "we don't have the money". But then we splash practically the same amount of money for a Ricardo Oliveira, a Matri. And then you've gotta start asking...isn't this wrong? Ain't they making one too many mistakes?

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Unfortunately, it seems we react to day to day lows. We take action by assaulting the 'obvious' figures at the club for the lows and take refuge in the 'Grande Milan'. We ignore all the figures that depict us as a club heavily under financial pressures.

And here you are fatalistic. You make it sound like it's then inevitable faith of Milan or any club. But reality is, Inter, Juventus, Roma and Fiorentina are doing better then us.

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I think Galliani is wise enough to know what his comments or stance is. Plus, he is not authorized to say anything unless he is authorized to do so by the club. Remember, what he says to the press is just the ‘mouth-piece’ of the club talking, nothing more nothing less.

Galliani is not behaving wise at all. He once was wise. Like I said, there are great presidents, managers, leaders - under the right context. For example, Del Bosque is a great coach for a star team. He's world class, he wins silverware. But will he succeed at Porto or Atletico Madrid, with limited funds and unpolished talent? I don't think so.

That's Galliani to me. He made a solid or good job when we had a team filled with the Maldini's and Albertini's of Milan. But now, under the circumstances you describe, he's not working. He's more and more under pressure, and entered a new level where he seems to have gone berserk like Joe Biden, humiliating and embarrassing himself week after week. Milan must be greater then one man, must be bigger and more important the Galliani.

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QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 2 2014, 07:41 AM) *
Not me, I can't support Milan long term with guys like galliani in charge. Just depressing on a daily basis. I can't have my day ruined everyday because of this.

This is my last season. If there isn't any signs of changes taking place or going to take place, I'm out. Enough torture, it's been 6 years.

Like Danny said, no point in waiting. If you consider stop supporting Milan, you can do it right now. 1 season won't do difference.
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post Aug 2 2014, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 2 2014, 01:36 PM) *
Like Danny said, no point in waiting. If you consider stop supporting Milan, you can do it right now. 1 season won't do difference.

And the way we are starting this season could easily bring more disappointments ...
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post Aug 2 2014, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 2 2014, 03:35 PM) *
Well, here we disagree. I don't know about you, but people still don't consider Man City a great club. They have their doubts with PSG as well. And I agree. Money is the prime way to excel and reach highs, but Milan will always be Milan, just like Madrid or Barcelona.

We have no business looking up? I don't think so. I think fans should always expect the best and getting better. You sound like you're management, and not a fan. Management cannot afford to look up, but the sad thing is they're partially responsible for that.

FFP? It really sounds like a magical word. Like a myth.


But still young enough to have seen Silva play. But yes, we're loosing ground. And by starting feuds with people like Seedorf, Albertini or Maldini...well...that's the real bad road.


We as who? The management? They sure can control those things, partially at least. You see, here's the problem. I think our management should have done better, considerably better. The youth program should have been organized years ago, not just few seasons ago. We also should have had better mercatos, as Han put it in another thread, Milan had many missed chances to snap up players like Hernanes or Strootman. And I'd be perfectly on your side shouting "but we are broke" and "we don't have the money". But then we splash practically the same amount of money for a Ricardo Oliveira, a Matri. And then you've gotta start asking...isn't this wrong? Ain't they making one too many mistakes?


And here you are fatalistic. You make it sound like it's then inevitable faith of Milan or any club. But reality is, Inter, Juventus, Roma and Fiorentina are doing better then us.


Galliani is not behaving wise at all. He once was wise. Like I said, there are great presidents, managers, leaders - under the right context. For example, Del Bosque is a great coach for a star team. He's world class, he wins silverware. But will he succeed at Porto or Atletico Madrid, with limited funds and unpolished talent? I don't think so.

That's Galliani to me. He made a solid or good job when we had a team filled with the Maldini's and Albertini's of Milan. But now, under the circumstances you describe, he's not working. He's more and more under pressure, and entered a new level where he seems to have gone berserk like Joe Biden, humiliating and embarrassing himself week after week. Milan must be greater then one man, must be bigger and more important the Galliani.


I agree, Galliani is not bigger than Milan. Could he have done better? In hindsight, we all could have done better. But did all this happen randomly or was it approved by the board of directors at Milan and the president?

I also agree Milan will always be Milan, with all the titles and polished glory. City/PSG, in historical terms are no comparison to Leeds Utd or Liverpool; let alone Milan. But in todays terms, where $$$ is what makes players sign on those contracts, City/PSG can not only compete but cast out of competition the likes of Milan/Liverpool and all their history.


Why we can not look up to the sky
1- we can not field a Scudetto winning team as of yet.
2- our primal concern as a club is to reduce the wage burden. More so now with no CL/EL.
3- the youth have to come through with more than DS, Mastour, etc. Yet the current crop (after six years of investing the youth) is remarkable considering we never used to give them a chance before.

Roma today has a functioning youth set-up one that keeps springing good players to the first team or market to raise funds. Prior to that, the Sensi family attempted to do a Silvio Berlusconi, PSG, City or Monaco. It all ended up with the club being sold by the bank. A practice the Sensis did not have the ability to sustain. But let me ask you this, when was the last time Roma won a Scudetto or CL? They endured more lows than we have.

Juventus had a restructure when they were demoted. They came back with a modest wage structure, one that they worked upwards to its current levels.

inter are not the same club they were just four years ago. I wonder why? Even with a new $$$ owner $$$. Food for thought Pippo, as not everything is a conspiracy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Why we did not focus on youth before? Well I've highlighted that as one of the main factors of this discussion time and again - Silvio funded the squad more than the youth. He would invest double digit millions (sometimes triple depending on the loss) every year on the squad. Had that money been routed to support the youth, you would most likely not have the rich history. Rather an Arsenal. The decision to focus on the youth came due to FFP's imminent introduction, as it is cheaper than paying top dollar for players and bank-rolling their respective contracts. Now whether you agree with this assessment, or that we just ended up with a HUGE wage bill because of Galliani's mismanagement is a matter of bias/perspective IMHO.

PS - I think Strootman, Ljajic, and the likes are excellent players! I would have loved for them to be at Milan. Why we missed on them? (i) we had to sell before we bought (ii) we had to reduce the wage bill to accommodate them (iii) we had coaches with different requirements. Of course others would disagree and claim that was not the case and Galliani wants the worst for Milan.
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I agree, Galliani is not bigger than Milan. Could he have done better? In hindsight, we all could have done better. But did all this happen randomly or was it approved by the board of directors at Milan and the president?

I think it's not only the question "could he have done better", it's the fact that he should have done better. But we seem to disagree. I'm begging to understand you honestly think Galliani did his best.

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I also agree Milan will always be Milan, with all the titles and polished glory. City/PSG, in historical terms are no comparison to Leeds Utd or Liverpool; let alone Milan. But in todays terms, where $$$ is what makes players sign on those contracts, City/PSG can not only compete but cast out of competition the likes of Milan/Liverpool and all their history.

For now. But with history on our side, only thing we need is money. And examples like the Bundesliga show you how it's possible. Whereas history, you cannot make in 5 to 10 years. It takes decades.


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Why we can not look up to the sky
1- we can not field a Scudetto winning team as of yet.
2- our primal concern as a club is to reduce the wage burden. More so now with no CL/EL.
3- the youth have to come through with more than DS, Mastour, etc. Yet the current crop (after six years of investing the youth) is remarkable considering we never used to give them a chance before.

Agreed on 1 and 3. But with 2 you make it sound like the "wage burden" fell of the sky. And why are we discussing the wage burden since 2007? Those questions lead me to think the management made serious mistakes.

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Roma today has a functioning youth set-up one that keeps springing good players to the first team or market to raise funds. Prior to that, the Sensi family attempted to do a Silvio Berlusconi, PSG, City or Monaco. It all ended up with the club being sold by the bank. A practice the Sensis did not have the ability to sustain. But let me ask you this, when was the last time Roma won a Scudetto or CL? They endured more lows than we have.

So Roma, even with their disadvantages, managed to react sooner then Milan, no? And look at how fast things change with Roma: it was in 2011 the Sensi's sold. Where are points 2 and 3 here? How did di Benedetto resolve things so fast?

Sure, they've won less, much less.

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Juventus had a restructure when they were demoted. They came back with a modest wage structure, one that they worked upwards to its current levels.

You make it sound like restructuring after demotion is something easy. But in fact, they had all the disadvantages over us in that position (except the vital FIAT in their pocket), yet came back considerably stronger then us.

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inter are not the same club they were just four years ago. I wonder why? Even with a new $$$ owner $$$. Food for thought Pippo, as not everything is a conspiracy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Did I say it's a conspiracy? I think we've gotta give time to the new Inter management, no? If you are willing to give Galliani years, give Tohir at least 2 seasons and then we'll draw up some conclusions.

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Why we did not focus on youth before? Well I've highlighted that as one of the main factors of this discussion time and again - Silvio funded the squad more than the youth. He would invest double digit millions (sometimes triple depending on the loss) every year on the squad. Had that money been routed to support the youth, you would most likely not have the rich history. Rather an Arsenal. The decision to focus on the youth came due to FFP's imminent introduction, as it is cheaper than paying top dollar for players and bank-rolling their respective contracts. Now whether you agree with this assessment, or that we just ended up with a HUGE wage bill because of Galliani's mismanagement is a matter of bias/perspective IMHO.

Firstly, I don't think it's either rich history or Arsenal. There are plenty of other clubs with success and a balanced squad. Secondly, I don't get how you cannot blame Galliani for the huge wage bill? Who else is responsible? Berlusconi? Sure.

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PS - I think Strootman, Ljajic, and the likes are excellent players! I would have loved for them to be at Milan. Why we missed on them? (i) we had to sell before we bought (ii) we had to reduce the wage bill to accommodate them (iii) we had coaches with different requirements. Of course others would disagree and claim that was not the case and Galliani wants the worst for Milan.

But that's just it. You make it sound like i, ii and iii are not connected to Galliani. In fact, it's the opposite. Galliani signed players who clearly do not have the capacity to play with Milan; it's like that for a while: say in 2011 we sign a player and already in 2012 we're desperately trying to get rid of him and create space for a new player - and that's i, ii and iii all in one Galliani related matter.
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QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 2 2014, 02:47 PM) *
I'd rather you quit now tbh. Nothing personal, and you're entitled to your choice, but if you're even considering stopping supporting this Club you should do so now.

Well, I won't tell him what to do but I never understood how someone can just turn it off and stop supporting a team you followed for many years. Once you fell in love with a team as a kid (any sport), it's forever, no matter how difficult it might be at the moment (and as much we suck right now, it can be much much worse). Maybe miss few games here and there but quit completely? Can't understand it.

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BRENDAN RODGERS has revealed Liverpool are interested in signing AC Milan striker Mario Balotelli, who was previously a target for Arsenal.

Balotelli, who is believed to be up for sale, is the sort of player that excites Rodgers.

"Balotelli has all the qualities [I like]," Rodgers said.

"He’s 6’3”, he’s quick, his touch is terrific, he can score goals and he’s still so young.

Balotelli has all the qualities [I like]. He’s 6’3”, he’s quick, his touch is terrific

"I saw that in this time at Inter as a young player and obviously going to Manchester City when we had a real close eye on him there.

"He’s a big talent."

Milan are thought to be willing to accept £14million for Balotelli.


Liverpool looking to bring in someone to replace Suarez. Balo isn't a 20th of the player Suarez is but seems Liverpool are desperate. And if Milan can get a decent player from them as part of the deal I'd go with this.
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14m for Balo? No way! And we won't be getting anyone in return from them. I really don't see any one player that could realistically improve us. The English players would bomb big time with us.

They have 80m to throw around from the Suarez money. We shouldn't accept anything less than 30m for Balo. And let's not forget that we'd have to somehow replace him and we're not willing to spend anywhere near or over 10m at this point in time

I think we should keep Balo unless a big offer comes, if we sell him we're only going to create further headaches for ourselves and weakening the side considerably with probably no chance of making good purchases, we already have huge issues in midfield, to sell Balo would mean creating huge issues in attack as well, which is the last thing we need atm when our management is completely unwilling to invest into the team
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 2 2014, 05:47 PM) *
I think it's not only the question "could he have done better", it's the fact that he should have done better. But we seem to disagree. I'm begging to understand you honestly think Galliani did his best.


It is a fact if we know how a decision or strategy is made. Otherwise all we know is Galliani backed this coach or brought in this player. But ultimately such a decision is not his to make. There are others accountable primarily the owner and the board of directors. Galliani is the man who has all the strings, a man who knows football and its politics. They set the strategy and budget and he has to work through it.

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For now. But with history on our side, only thing we need is money. And examples like the Bundesliga show you how it's possible. Whereas history, you cannot make in 5 to 10 years. It takes decades.


But of course, history takes years to make and not bought. I mean Liverpool have not won the EPL in its new version. But still reserves the privilege along with United.
I am glade you referred to Bundesliga! The Germans were not always world champions nor European champions, whether at club level or national level. It took years to get to where they are. Their football governing body aided the rise of German football.
Now take a closer look at the FIGC and Italian government and tell me if they had done the same. Italy loosing its 4rd CL seating to the Germans is enough of an alarm for us.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 2 2014, 05:47 PM) *
Agreed on 1 and 3. But with 2 you make it sound like the "wage burden" fell of the sky. And why are we discussing the wage burden since 2007? Those questions lead me to think the management made serious mistakes.


Wage burden did not fly out of the sky, of course not. Why it is a point of discussion is because every time our revenue is reduced, we have to reduce the wages further. No CL/EL means revenues will be give or take 50M lower. How much of impact does that have on our wages? Well, inclusive of CL income, in 2013 we had a loss of 15M.

But why did the wage burden arise? Is management responsible?
Wage burden rose when Silvio no longer funds for the same (2010 onwards). Without that, we never were to acquire the top players who required top wages. Fast-forward to today and our wages need to be reduced even further.

And no, Muntari/Essian do not even form 1% of the wage outlay.


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So Roma, even with their disadvantages, managed to react sooner then Milan, no? And look at how fast things change with Roma: it was in 2011 the Sensi's sold. Where are points 2 and 3 here? How did di Benedetto resolve things so fast?

Sure, they've won less, much less.


Sensi did not sell the club. The club underwent a transaction (debt to equity), in the sense that Sensi family would give up their share in the club to the bank, with the bank converting the debt to ownership in the club. The bank later brought in an American consortium headed by di benedetto who purchased 60% of the club, with 40% still with the bank. So di benedetto took the club without minimal debt, has brought in synergies through his influence (consortium), has funds idle to build a new privately owned stadium.

Point 2 – I am not sure about Roma’s financial standings. However, I can tell you that CL money + merchandising Roma products in the US market will improve the clubs position significantly.
As for point 3 - Roma always had a youth team, a proper youth academy, they have youth players who do make it into Roma’s starting XI. Unlike us, who only recently looked at that avenue.

Di Benedetto did not resolve anything so fast. The club, I’d presume, was already undergoing a restructure even before he came on board. The added value he has is enormous, considering his background in the sports industry.

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You make it sound like restructuring after demotion is something easy. But in fact, they had all the disadvantages over us in that position (except the vital FIAT in their pocket), yet came back considerably stronger then us.


Who said restructuring was easy? They had to dismantle and start again. They did not have FFP to adhere to as of then, but had time (2006-2010) to build a new team, one that is ultimately FFP compliant when the time came.

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Did I say it's a conspiracy? I think we've gotta give time to the new Inter management, no? If you are willing to give Galliani years, give Tohir at least 2 seasons and then we'll draw up some conclusions.


Oh of course – Thohir has time to rebuild inter. It is a daunting task to say the least.

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Firstly, I don't think it's either rich history or Arsenal. There are plenty of other clubs with success and a balanced squad. Secondly, I don't get how you cannot blame Galliani for the huge wage bill? Who else is responsible? Berlusconi? Sure.


Which clubs have success and a balanced squad? I do not know. What I know is all successful clubs have huge wages to field a top team and those wages are covered by their enormous revenue. Milan, does not have that enormous revenue, only had a Silvio Berlusconi who made it happen (till it lasted).

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But that's just it. You make it sound like i, ii and iii are not connected to Galliani. In fact, it's the opposite. Galliani signed players who clearly do not have the capacity to play with Milan; it's like that for a while: say in 2011 we sign a player and already in 2012 we're desperately trying to get rid of him and create space for a new player - and that's i, ii and iii all in one Galliani related matter.


How is Galliani the sole person responsible? Isn’t he an employee of the club? The decisions he takes have to be pre-approved, because I have yet to see a CEO of a club taking a piss at the team, squad and its fans. And not fired? Its either we know too little or the club is such a joke that a man like Galliani can do such things.
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I think we should keep Balo unless a big offer comes, if we sell him we're only going to create further headaches for ourselves and weakening the side considerably with probably no chance of making good purchases, we already have huge issues in midfield, to sell Balo would mean creating huge issues in attack as well, which is the last thing we need atm when our management is completely unwilling to invest into the team

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14m for Balo? No way! And we won't be getting anyone in return from them. I really don't see any one player that could realistically improve us. The English players would bomb big time with us.

They have 80m to throw around from the Suarez money. We shouldn't accept anything less than 30m for Balo. And let's not forget that we'd have to somehow replace him and we're not willing to spend anywhere near or over 10m at this point in time

I think we should keep Balo unless a big offer comes, if we sell him we're only going to create further headaches for ourselves and weakening the side considerably with probably no chance of making good purchases, we already have huge issues in midfield, to sell Balo would mean creating huge issues in attack as well, which is the last thing we need atm when our management is completely unwilling to invest into the team


I agree. It's already August. If we sell Balo, we get stuck with Pazzini and that's it. We haven't even signed the winger or a quality midfielder yet. Jeez, so depressing...
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