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Posted on: Aug 2 2014, 05:41 AM


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Not me, I can't support Milan long term with guys like galliani in charge. Just depressing on a daily basis. I can't have my day ruined everyday because of this.

This is my last season. If there isn't any signs of changes taking place or going to take place, I'm out. Enough torture, it's been 6 years.
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Posted on: Jul 31 2014, 10:13 PM


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Yup but griezman is LW
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Posted on: Jul 31 2014, 08:11 PM


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When's the vote
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Posted on: Jul 31 2014, 08:07 PM


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According to Corriere Dello Sport, Milan won't even reach 20,000 season tickets sold this year.


And that's the beginning of the end for galliani folks.

Nothing says we want change louder than that.



In other news athlet Madrid willing to offer 20m for cerci.

Milan channel says we're not interested in ayew
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Posted on: Jul 29 2014, 11:05 AM


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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 29 2014, 04:38 AM) *
Now I get your stance better, thank you very much for answering.

I think you're a bit too fatalistic and deterministic. It seems like you have a fix vision on our position and exclude any possibility of changes.

Changes can happen. Look at the Bundesliga in 1993 and in 2013. Twenty years and plenty of it changed. Granted, it was a complicated process that made this possible, but I'm sure Italy could pull it through.

Now as I see it, Galliani is one of the men blocking this change. Not only on Milan level: no, breaking news is that Galliani cast his support for Tavecchio (Footbal Italia)! And there we have everything in one story: another clash with a Milan legend (like numerous misunderstandings with Maldini, Zee, etc.) and yet another move that blocks the sole prospect of change.

Gallini is a man who's fighting against the future and against the sole facts of change. By choosing this position he's sentenced to failure and to be disliked.

Back to Milan. You're being fatalistic, I think. We are a great club, we were a respectful club when Berlusconi took over, but he made us top top. But we have history, trophies and a good name in Italy which still could, under shrewd, intelligent, planned and with fresh ideas, attract much more then we do by now. History is powerful, there are still players like Giuseppe Rossi who dream of the Shevchenko Milan, and we could capitalize on that. But, like Han said, we rather go for freebies like Essien and Muntari, all because Galliani thinks he's a genius who sings rejects for free and turns them back into stars.

Milan today is very alike the Farina Milan. When Berlusconi took over from Farina (who ended up in exile), he splashed cash, he invented new economical mechanisms, new marketing strategies, new ways of popularization. Sure, much changed now, I'm not asking for the same. I'm just asking for change, for a fresh new and hungry management who won't be obsessed with the status quo and fighting the inevitable future, but rather drawing up a plan how to become great again.

Because it's not all black and white. With a smarter management, a smarter choice in coaching staff and signings, we could still achieve something, hell win something. I don't say we could become United, but we could do considerably better.



beautiful! Well said.


Hopefully things will change sooner than later, its inevitable. Galliani's days are numbered.
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Posted on: Jul 29 2014, 10:07 AM


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QUOTE
"How can we possibly score if we play like this?"-

Mario mumbled in training after yet another cross to him was misplaced

gazetta





and so it begins (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Good luck pippo, I wish you all the best.
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Posted on: Jul 29 2014, 06:08 AM


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Yes sir!
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Posted on: Jul 29 2014, 04:13 AM


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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Hahaha
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Posted on: Jul 29 2014, 04:12 AM


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Yes we will finally enter the era of prosperity and common sense where business decisions are dictated by logic and strategic planning instead of what we have no
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Posted on: Jul 29 2014, 12:45 AM


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The day this galliani leaves Milan will be a day of great celebration. His approval rating must be what, 5%?
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Posted on: Jul 28 2014, 01:02 AM


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He's won 5 champions leagues. I wouldn't have the ambition either but i'd have the intelligence to not ruin my name after doing all that.


He will sell tho, i'm sure of it. After these games, the season ticket holders will want a refund. Empty stadiums and another 8th place finish will force his hand forsure.


and on the FFP front, R7 isn't wrong. Everything he's stated is valid and can be found in the documentation. However that isn't the problem, its how the policy is enforced or the lack of enforcement for a better word.


The truth of the matter is that UEFA would never ban a club like man city from champions league, lets take that off teh table as that would hurt their own revenues. What they can do tho is make severe fines so that the rules are taken seriously. Slap city with a 100m euro fine and I can gurantee they'll follow the rules.
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Posted on: Jul 28 2014, 12:58 AM


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This season will be ugly boys, prepare yourselves. This will be the last season for me personally where I support the club from a financial point of view. If things don't change i'm boycotting this management. I'm going to cancel my serie A suscription and won't buy stuff from the Milan store anymore.

I'll still have respect and love for the colours, but i won't support disgraceful c*nts like galliani. His management and decision making have ended Milan. You can't even blame berlusconi's lack investment at this point because we have done unforgivable things like spend 12m on alessandro matri.
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Posted on: Jul 28 2014, 12:00 AM


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Yeah silvio will sell forsure. It would be absurd to keep milan at this point.

I just hope its sooner than later. Realistically we'll finish mid-table again.


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The FFP thing won't be taken seriously until a serious action is taken. Fines don't mean anything unless they're into the 100+ millions
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Posted on: Jul 27 2014, 11:59 PM


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I guess I could
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Posted on: Jul 27 2014, 12:17 PM


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Whats your opinion on berlusconi and his plans for the club? Do you think he's going to keep it in the family or sell it off.


I personally see all the iniatives taken as a way to make milan financially attractive. We have had investors interested in the past. But the numbers weren't right.


I just don't see Berlusconi dragging his name through the mud with this youth project perspective. If we have another blunder of a season i can see him seriously look to get as much ROI as he can. El Sharaawy being the first to go (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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Posted on: Jul 27 2014, 12:07 PM


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Dzemelai is a waste of money in my opinion.

Get rid of Essien. Promote Mastali.

Honda, Monto, de jong, sapo, poli, muntari, cristante, mastali

Take that 5m were gonna spend on him and put it towards the attacking signing. Once robinho hits the deck, splash on someone like Griezzman.
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Posted on: Jul 27 2014, 11:51 AM


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But what can you do with no money?

We have a debt of 15m euros and we are missing out on 30m euros that we can get from CL.

Thats 45m we are lacking. We still lack sufficient funds to do anything. So either Silvio opens up his wallet or we spend our money where it matters most.


If we sell constant, we should keep Vila and use him there. Take the money and use it towards a midfielder or attacker.

We need to spend at least 30m euros for a chance at fighting for 3rd.
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Posted on: Jul 27 2014, 11:29 AM


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Oh ok
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Posted on: Jul 27 2014, 11:20 AM


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We've reached an agreement with Dzemaili of napoli. We bid 3m earlier but they rejected.

Negotations are set to continue, it looks like we'll be planning to bid 4m max for him. Napoli want 5m. (i expect this to take all august (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Arsenal are close to douglas costa, so that'll probably rule out a balo transfer.

It seems inzaghi isn't convinced by Essien and is looking to ship him off and bring in Dzemaili or another CM.

Juventus have made an official enquiry about Zapata and talks will begin soon. Allegri wants him bad.

(we should try and at least get 12m for zapta. we paid 7m for him afterall and he's had a good world cup)
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Posted on: Jul 27 2014, 11:17 AM


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Our Fullbacks right now:

Abate
DES
Constant
Albertazzi


Bonera and Zaccardo are make shift fullbacks, but i don't think Inzaghi will use them too much. They are just there in case of emergencies anyways and to provide experience. Vila will be sold.

Albertazzi isn't ready for Milan and he will take at least a season to get used to not sh*ttng his pants every time he walks into the stadium. Thats if he survives the season.

So that leaves us with Abate, DES and Constant. If we sell constant we won't be able to get anyone as good as him. It'll cost us minimum 7m to get a replacement. Its just not worth it. You know Galliani won't replace him if we sell him.


Our transfer budget is set at 0. We've already spent 3.75m on Rami and 500k on Albertazzi.
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Posted on: Jul 27 2014, 10:52 AM


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Btw,

The offer for Constant was 2m. He's on 800k a year.

We paid 7.5m for him.


It would be stupid to sell him for 2m. Who can we get to replace him with that money and on that wage. I'd say he's at least worth 5m.

Anyways, they want him so negotations are going to continue.

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If we can't sign cerci, (which is look like it won't happen) and if campbell falls through. We will go for Andre Ayew whose contract with Marseille expires next year. He's 24
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Posted on: Jul 27 2014, 10:45 AM


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Just stupid. Doesn't help when your vice captain says your club has no chance. The players already lack confidence as it is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Posted on: Jul 27 2014, 10:28 AM


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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 27 2014, 03:54 AM) *
Global demand for Madrid/Barcelona is much higher than for a Serie A team. Madrid's Revenue is the highest among all football clubs worldwide.

They have a revenue of 520M as of 2013, with Net profit of 37M.

We have 278M as of 2013, with Net Loss of 15.7M.


And this has always been the case, noting Silvio funded the difference between Milan and Madrid, to make the stellar teams he did. It really is that simple.

Why? Well, not many around the world share our passion for Milan. Madrid vs Barca is more exciting than Milan vs inter. United vs Liverpool/City is a sold out fixture, while Milan vs Juventus has at best 70% occupancy. etc etc.


Harsh realities (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Just curious R7, if you were in Galliani's shoes, what would be the first thing you would implement do? What would be your 1/3/5 year goals. You've been a fan much longer than I have, so you've seen the ups and downs, the cycles much better than I have.

1) is there hope? Is it going to change? 2) Any positives to take from our management so far?
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Posted on: Jul 27 2014, 09:42 AM


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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 26 2014, 08:11 PM) *
I agree with you in that we need some influence within the club that we can relate to. But sometimes those do not have the credentials nor the experience to be handling such a task. Add to that the harmony to co-exist with figures like Galliani and Berlusconi who have a hands on approach.

I would like to see a new owner at the club, frankly speaking just bored of all this moaning about where we are and the poor management. Let a new face come in and bring in all those past players that we relate to in terms of image and representation. New blood, and have a spin-off see where that takes us.

Capello made his name at Milan, and with Milan's money. When all the money is gone, you reckon Capello will coach Milan or Madrid? Of course Madrid, and that goes to Carlo Ancelotti too. Project these days mean PSG, City, Chelsea, Monaco, you get the drift.

For me its a cycle, one we are forced into just like all the other Serie A sides. I wouldn't say we are all equal, because as of now, the sides that have CL football have the upper hand. But we are equal in the sense that we share the same sovereign football issues, legacies such as stadiums, TV income, Taxes. To build a new stadium will take at least three years, and costs exceeding 300M (noting Milan had an aggregate loss of 160M from 2010-2013). To increase TV income you have to have more demand for Serie A Calcio 'worldwide'. To reduce Taxes, the Italian economy as a whole has to recover. Just to name the obvious issues of legacy.

Its a monuments task, one that the club might not be able to hurdle past as it all depends on 'external forces'.

But what the club can do, invest in youth. Takes time, you produce maybe one each season maybe two, or you produce one in three seasons fit to play for the first team. Depends on the player and his adaptability to such a high level game. We are seeing the results with young Italian players coming through to the first team. Our youth has not produced a new Maldini as of yet, but it is producing players like Abate DS Mastour as of-date. Though I wouldn't say Mastour is 100% ready to play first team. Then since you have this inconvenience of having to wait for your eggs to 'hatch', you fill in the holes but having a cheap (freebie) alternative. Ofcourse, the better players are all expensive, Milan can not afford to increase the wage bill by locking horns with clubs like PSG, City, Madrid or United - who are all ready to pay top dollar for the next Messi or a good bench warmer (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) . Add to that we don't have European TV income this year, hence we cant compete with other teams who have that privilege to offer and extra $$$.

The issue is that we have always been a 'sugar daddy' club, where Silvio gave the fans the best teams, over paying excessively with 70-90M in losses per year (only in recent times was an effort made to reduce that to comply with FFP). 70M and 80M in losses per year have to come from somewhere! It wont disappear next year, and it was the sugar daddy that kept the show going. All the names you mentioned above have seen Milan's blessed years. Unfortunately some forum members only caught on to Milan recently and thus have a short experience of what it was like, to be the Madrid of our times.

This is not a direct response to you Pippo, just a small rant (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


You're right. But that all comes at a cost. I see Milan at a crossroad.

Silvio sticks on the road he is on now, self sustainment or he sells the club. (i dont think investing is on the table anymore, if his kids are smart and they are they will do everything in their power to make sure he doesn't take 1 cent out of their inheritance.)


If we choose self sustainment, the consequences are as follows:

-our image is gone, we will move to midtable status for a while until our academy starts producing worthy players and we get lucky with a few good signings (young prospects).
-We will lose probably half our fan base and the majority of our sponsorship. Our Revenue will take radical hit, the majority of our players will leave and will be replaced with even lower quality players. The fans that remain and they will be mostly local ones will either choose to support the team or abandon it. The second one will turn us into leeds.

the positives are that we don't need a silvio for Milan to exist. we will always be around, no bankruptcy.


If we choose to sell, which I believe is what we are on the course of doing. I think thats what Silvio's children want. They just want to get a good enough Return on Investment to cover some of the losses and the debt finivest has.


-consequences, we will be a sell out club. Serie A will either adapt or crumble. I think with whats happening they will most likely adapt. If the new owner ever gets sick of milan, we are f*cked. No garantee that the new owner will splash either.


positives: We will have new management, fresh ideas and a new approach to things. Possibly could make a serious fight back to the top. Fan base could grow, etc etc..





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Posted on: Jul 26 2014, 04:16 AM


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anyways it looks like Cerci is too complicated. Torino want 20m and it looks like Monaco is humouring it so we are pretty much out.


We are after Campbell now from Arsenal. Possibility of Campbell cash for balo.

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