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Posted by: han2503 Apr 12 2012, 08:33 PM
Simply must win because Juve will win their game for sure. So if we lost points here, the title is gone
If we get VB back, plus Aqui, Ambro and Bonera from suspension, Allegri better play the best possible line-up. No more f@cking around!
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 12 2012, 08:36 PM
Mediaset's line-up:
Abbiati; Bonera, Nesta, Yepes, Antonini; Nocerino, Van Bommel, Muntari; Emanuelson; Ibrahimovic, Robinho.
I swear, Allegri's fixation of playing all-muscle-and-no-brain players will cost us big time! Play Aquilani instead of Nocerino or Muntari FFS!!!
Posted by: William405 Apr 12 2012, 09:51 PM
Still no Aquilani,this is getting frustrating.He was working well in our system before injury... 
And look at that defence,I thought we couldn't have more injuries,what the hell.
Posted by: acid911 Apr 12 2012, 10:32 PM
You take Abbiati, Nesta, Ncerino, Van Bommel and Ibrahimovic out, and what do you get?!
A Serie B team. So that's less quality players, and more bundles of mediocrities (five vs six). Painful truth. None of these other guys can play at our level on their own, do some wonders at will, or even assure you 1 or 3 points any given weak.If we had a full fit squad, none of these would be playing.
Each of the six players have better replacements, but they are out injured. We're struggling to score a solitary goal, with a first XI we'd probably be blasting Geona 4-0. Speaking of Geona, I am fairy certain we'll get the three points in this match one way or another. We just will.As for injuries to players, I thought we couldn't get any worse. But we just did. But we just did!
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 12 2012, 11:11 PM
I think we ought to forget about Boateng for the rest of the season. Going by what the press writes, the guy will hardly recover. Thankfully we get van Bommel back, and let's not forget Cassano.
Posted by: acid911 Apr 12 2012, 11:28 PM
Agreed. 
Wouldn't mind seeing Silva though, if he can make it for the last couple of matches!
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 13 2012, 12:11 AM
A Serie B team. So that's less quality players, and more bundles of mediocrities (five vs six). Painful truth. None of these other guys can play at our level on their own, do some wonders at will, or even assure you 1 or 3 points any given weak.If we had a full fit squad, none of these would be playing.
Each of the six players have better replacements, but they are out injured. We're struggling to score a solitary goal, with a first XI we'd probably be blasting Geona 4-0. Speaking of Geona, I am fairy certain we'll get the three points in this match one way or another. We just will.As for injuries to players, I thought we couldn't get any worse. But we just did. But we just did!
I think Serie B is a bit harsh (not entirely unrealistic though so don't get me wrong because I get your point).
You've mentioned that if you take away away quality players, we are left with the lesser desired set in the bunch.
I'd like to place a bit more focus on Ibra in this statement, as I still find it hard to understand how so many of us are still seemingly ungrateful for what he has brought and continues to bring to our team. Let's face it, we are surely Ibra dependent a lot of time, it was proven (if there was every any doubt) even more so with the influx of injures this season.
Despite all this, I keep hearing it be said, over and over, that we should ship him out in hope of accruing some large some of money, in order to replace him with younger, promising player, in an attempt of being less dependent!
....
That makes little sense to me, why change something that is working, and has proven so over an extended period of time (so much so I'd like to mention that this is his best season yet, even if argued to be 'only by stats')
He brings us the results, and in just 2 years, has largely contributed to the fact that we are a club on the rise once again and are once again being recognized by other teams (no longer are we a complete joke)
If we bring in some new player, regardless of who it is (I'd like to point out that that nothing is guaranteed)
Even if we were to sell this proclaimed cancer and get money to buy us several players (I don't think it will), that can just lead us back to square one, in a building stage. Where the club will take time to gel, and Lord forbid we have injury problems again, when exactly will this chemistry get time to build?
Now, I know I've gone off-topic and on a slight rant in defense of Ibra when he wasn't actually brought into discussion at the time, but this is what became of my post somehow.
In summary, in case I managed to loose anyone with my scattered points, I think the right path to building this team is by adding to our current set of 'quality' players, not by selling them in hope on reaping benefits from others.
And a point to note is that all 'top' clubs have that one player that stands out (call it dependent if you like). Ibra is ours, just as Messi is Barca's & Cr7 is Real's own.
Acid please note that this was is no way an attack or direct response to you. Somehow your post just sort of provided a stimulating catalyst for my rant above.
Peace!
Posted by: acid911 Apr 13 2012, 12:50 AM
Serie B as in these guys will struggle big time to find their way in the top division.
You pull together the mediocre players playing in this match, and double them, and we'll be down in one or two years max. Because these guys just are not the difference makers, they need reference points in attack, defense and even midfield.Almost all teams large or small, have them, bankable players that the other average players look towards. You fill a squad with mediocre players and it will get real tough for these guys to bring their best game. Collectively they will work but only if there are a few champions around them.
If not, their levels will drop.Fill our squad with two Antoninis, Yepeses, Muntaris, and more, and they'll have a bit of a task beating the three teams that will come out of Serie B this year after promotion. Hard to deny this.
I'm glad it did.
And no, not in a million years I'd have taken t as an attack on me?! In fact, I was quite enjoying a rare gigantic post from you, and was in fact surprised on reaching the above disclaimer, hehe. As for your Ibra bit, well hard to disagree there, and not much to add, except I'd have loved it if he was consistent.It's not fun being great in the first 80% of the season, and then busing up in the last 20%. It just isn't.
Posted by: acid911 Apr 13 2012, 12:50 AM
Oh, and peace to you too, my man!
Before I forget.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 13 2012, 01:36 AM
You pull together the mediocre players playing in this match, and double them, and we'll be down in one or two years max. Because these guys just are not the difference makers, they need reference points in attack, defense and even midfield.Almost all teams large or small, have them, bankable players that the other average players look towards. You fill a squad with mediocre players and it will get real tough for these guys to bring their best game. Collectively they will work but only if there are a few champions around them.
If not, their levels will drop.Fill our squad with two Antoninis, Yepeses, Muntaris, and more, and they'll have a bit of a task beating the three teams that will come out of Serie B this year after promotion. Hard to deny this.
Well no arguments there...
And no, not in a million years I'd have taken t as an attack on me?! In fact, I was quite enjoying a rare gigantic post from you, and was in fact surprised on reaching the above disclaimer, hehe.
It's not fun being great in the first 80% of the season, and then busing up in the last 20%. It just isn't.
Agreed consistency is key and he lacks it at times, there is no denying that.
However we must remember that as much of a machine that this guy is, playing 90% of our games (100% if you'd give him the chance / once he's not suspended
) will take a toll on one's finesse.
Posted by: acid911 Apr 13 2012, 01:46 AM
I was quite confident Ibra will be getting some well deserved rest this season. Allegri himself said so at the start, but injuries and a very tough schedule never did make this dream materialize. I've seen more than enough of the Swede to know that his intensity drops in the last two or three months.
Which is perfectly fine, because sometimes we forget that this is a big individual, with a body to take care of.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 13 2012, 02:12 AM
Allegri himself said so at the start, but injuries and a very tough schedule never did make this dream materialize. I've seen more than enough of the Swede to know that his intensity drops in the last two or three months.Which is perfectly fine, because sometimes we forget that this is a big individual, with a body to take care of.
Indeed so, and he he tends to not realize this either I believe. I recently read that he was disappointed with the amount of injures occurring so very often (understandably so) and he urged his teammates to push through any minor ones they could for the final stretch of the season. It may not seem like much, but it just goes to show his determination.
Recall from the game leading towards the Roma & Barca games where he chose to play despite his back problems.
His drive his second to none! (...but I really do think he can benefit from a rest here & there)
Posted by: acid911 Apr 13 2012, 06:50 AM
That's debatable.
His drive is second to the likes of Paolo Maldini. I'd say even second to Ronaldo (the original one), but that guy was injured so severely throughout his career, that it became more of an issue of steely nerves than drive. I'd probably have had a hard time coming back and back and back after what R99 faced.But on the whole I agree with you. Ibrahimović has a massive love for the game, mostly unmatched.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 13 2012, 01:15 PM
His drive is second to the likes of Paolo Maldini. I'd say even second to Ronaldo (the original one), but that guy was injured so severely throughout his career, that it became more of an issue of steely nerves than drive. I'd probably have had a hard time coming back and back and back after what R99 faced.But on the whole I agree with you. Ibrahimović has a massive love for the game, mostly unmatched.
Touche!
But I think my statement can stand at least for our club's current set of players (aside from Nesta maybe?)
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 13 2012, 02:26 PM
Wait a minute...Aquilani is fit and ready and Allegri still prefers Emanuleson with Muntari, Bommel and Nocerino? Is this for real? I mean, I know Aqui has been poor and he didn't shine in the AM position, but hell, so did Emanuelson more then a few times. Why not try El Shaarawy or Robinho do it? I can't believe how inflexible this man is. And people used to speak of Ancelotti as stubborn.
Posted by: drucurl Apr 13 2012, 03:02 PM
Allegri himself said so at the start, but injuries and a very tough schedule never did make this dream materialize. I've seen more than enough of the Swede to know that his intensity drops in the last two or three months.Which is perfectly fine, because sometimes we forget that this is a big individual, with a body to take care of.
I'm getting REAL tired of the "iBra is tired" excuse.
I know people twice his size who work twice as hard twice as often too.
How come the big guys of old didn't get as worn out as quickly....Vieri, Adriano, Rooney all have comparable physiques and never had this particular problem. iBra's problem is more mental and personality related than anything.
In other news is there a more annoying ex-milanista ever than Gilardino (other than Pirlo of couse)???
Sheesh I wish we hammer them 10-0 just to f**k with his head
Posted by: William405 Apr 13 2012, 03:28 PM
I know people twice his size who work twice as hard twice as often too.
How come the big guys of old didn't get as worn out as quickly....Vieri, Adriano, Rooney all have comparable physiques and never had this particular problem. iBra's problem is more mental and personality related than anything.
In other news is there a more annoying ex-milanista ever than Gilardino (other than Pirlo of couse)???
Sheesh I wish we hammer them 10-0 just to f**k with his head
What?They all don't compare to the physique of Ibra.Only man who would in recent time I think is crouch.imo,he's being overworked,and you can't expect him to play fresh with such intensive schedule.And,I will regret replying to you because all I'll be getting back is a bunch of more bias comments.
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 13 2012, 04:12 PM
I know, right? The Aqua-MvB-Noce midfield worked really well from October to January, before Aquilani got injured and our troubles started. It's unbelievable that Allegri has not tried any variations to his formation, with all the absences we've had in the past few months. His stubbornness will cost us big time, if it already hasn't.
Posted by: drucurl Apr 13 2012, 04:36 PM
forgot you were the most unbiased poster ever. Apologies for having an opinion. Thought this was the place for that.
Posted by: han2503 Apr 13 2012, 04:40 PM
Me thinks it already has cost us this title...
If he starts with Muntari again and leaves Aqui on the bench and we don't get all 3 points than there will be hell to pay. He's already on a tight rope with Silvio, I'm sure he's the least person happy with the current way things are going a Milan. The last 3 games we've played have been nothing short of disgusting, all thanks to Allegri and his narrow minded decisions
Posted by: Jack Bauer Apr 13 2012, 04:47 PM
Rooney is your example? Really? He's 5 ft 9, Ibra is 6 ft 5.
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 13 2012, 04:53 PM
If he starts with Muntari again and leaves Aqui on the bench and we don't get all 3 points than there will be hell to pay. He's already on a tight rope with Silvio, I'm sure he's the least person happy with the current way things are going a Milan. The last 3 games we've played have been nothing short of disgusting, all thanks to Allegri and his narrow minded decisions
His Muntari fixation perfectly describes his mentality.
Posted by: William405 Apr 13 2012, 05:03 PM
You can have an opinion as long as it's good
(just kidding )But,reply to my quote...Ibra has been overworked like a dog,and you really think it's mental?
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 13 2012, 05:07 PM
Called-up players: Abbiati, Amelia, Piscitelli, Antonini, Bonera, De Sciglio, Mexes, Nesta, Yepes, Aquilani, Emanuelson, Gattuso, Muntari, Nocerino, Seedorf, Van Bommel, Cassano, El Shaarawy, Ibrahimovic, Maxi Lopez, Robinho.
For a moment, I didn't see van Bommel there, and I was like FUUUUUUU-
Posted by: drucurl Apr 13 2012, 05:25 PM
Rooney is shorter but he's thick heavy (actually carries a lot of fat too) and very muscular. It isn't ALL about height because there are beanpoles like Crouch that have no problem with being mobile all season.
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 13 2012, 07:08 PM
Now both Mediaset and Gazzetta have Aquilani instead of Muntari. Let's pray god it stays that way.
Posted by: William405 Apr 13 2012, 08:19 PM
There is the 1 step forward 
Posted by: acid911 Apr 13 2012, 08:28 PM
Fingers crossed it's not followed by 2 steps backwards.
It's been known to happen!
Posted by: acid911 Apr 13 2012, 08:55 PM
Touche, indeed!
Agreed.
The thing with Ibra though is that his inflated ego can sometimes stand in the way of his drive, or at least it shows that it's standing in the way, but I've never doubted his love for the game.Other than Pirlo, of course.
I can see it in his eyes and interviews, Pirlo wants to stuck it in to Milan for the hand they dealt him. He wants to win the Scudetto with Juventus to show us that it was a mistake letting him go. And it is for this reason along that I hope Juventus does not win it. Which they will, from how it looks.Otherwise, it's going to take a bit of a heart skimming the media and sports sites come the season's end.
I've always believed there should be a prayer smiley here in this forum.
Or at least a pleading one. More so after guys like Carlo, Maldini and Kaka left the woods. Because it could be put to good use when you have totally unpredictable people like Leonardo and Allegri in charge.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 14 2012, 02:57 AM
Or at least a pleading one. More so after guys like Carlo, Maldini and Kaka left the woods. Because it could be put to good use when you have totally unpredictable people like Leonardo and Allegri in charge.Take your pick:
Posted by: acid911 Apr 14 2012, 01:15 PM
All fine, Trini, now how to add them into the forum software?! The first three are perfect!
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 14 2012, 01:57 PM
The first three are perfect!Check Mike...
That shouldn't be too hard
But if I not mistaken, don't some admins have the ability to perform such tasks? (I recall Tennie saving the cookie if I remember correctly)
Posted by: acid911 Apr 14 2012, 02:36 PM
If Ash can, then I am sure he will. I hope there is a way. I personally have at least 10 that I want in.
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 14 2012, 02:49 PM
Just bookmark the url acid, it should be easier than going through the trouble of finding someone (probably the ever-absent admin) to add it to the smileys.
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 14 2012, 02:51 PM
It's been known to happen!And it happened. According to Mediaset:
Abbiati; Bonera, Nesta, Yepes, Antonini; Nocerino, Van Bommel, Muntari; Seedorf; Ibrahimovic, Robinho.
Posted by: acid911 Apr 14 2012, 03:03 PM
Oh, I already have saved quite a few smiley URLs in a text file. 
I'll add these to the text file.
Posted by: acid911 Apr 14 2012, 03:06 PM
Abbiati; Bonera, Nesta, Yepes, Antonini; Nocerino, Van Bommel, Muntari; Seedorf; Ibrahimovic, Robinho.
With lineups like these one has to keep one hand on his heart through the match.
The guy's got an unhealthy obsession with playing physical players. What did we do to deserve this, oh what, oh what!?
Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2012, 03:38 PM
I'm not even going to fume (like I want to) about this.
We've already f@cked this title up, so what's the point anymore...
Posted by: vahid Apr 14 2012, 03:43 PM
Kaladze is injured.that's bad for us
Posted by: drucurl Apr 14 2012, 03:47 PM
Yeay Muntari
Allegri's version of Zidane 
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 14 2012, 04:22 PM
OFFICIAL line-up vs. Genoa (4-3-1-2): Abbiati; Bonera-Nesta-Yepes-Antonini; Nocerino-Van Bommel-Muntari; Seedorf; Ibra-Robinho.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 14 2012, 04:23 PM
: MILAN BENCH: Amelia, Mexes, Aquilani, Emanuelson, Gattuso, Cassano, El Shaarawy
Posted by: arivanjj Apr 14 2012, 04:26 PM
*sighhhh getting ready for another torturous game.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 14 2012, 04:27 PM
Bench with more talent that the starting line-up
Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 14 2012, 04:35 PM
Game off.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 14 2012, 04:37 PM
Huh?
Posted by: William405 Apr 14 2012, 04:37 PM
durrr
Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2012, 04:41 PM
Getting very sick of Allegri's BS.
Posted by: vahid Apr 14 2012, 04:47 PM
Postponed?
Rest in peace Morosini...
Posted by: William405 Apr 14 2012, 04:48 PM
Yes
I understand this sucks for football.But people so sad about it,and crying,should grow up imo and face facts...People die everyday...
Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2012, 04:52 PM
What's going on?
Posted by: William405 Apr 14 2012, 04:55 PM
Livorno player Piermario Morosini (25 y.o) has passed away after collapsing on the pitch.
Posted by: vahid Apr 14 2012, 04:56 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1049011/piermario-morosini-collapses-on-pitch-in-serie-b-match?cc=4716
Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2012, 04:59 PM
So they postpone every game?
I don't mean to sound uncaring or like a complete @sshole, but I think such a decision is ridiculous
RIP for the player and condolences to his family.
Posted by: William405 Apr 14 2012, 05:00 PM
I don't mean to sound uncaring or like a complete @sshole, but I think such a decision is ridiculous
RIP for the player and condolences to his family.
I agree.
Posted by: vahid Apr 14 2012, 05:01 PM
Yes.we can have a week for rest.god knows we need it more than anything else!
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Apr 14 2012, 05:02 PM
Very sad news, RIP Morosini.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 14 2012, 05:03 PM
I don't mean to sound uncaring or like a complete @sshole, but I think such a decision is ridiculous
RIP for the player and condolences to his family.
Nah, it's the correct decision.
Any players and coaches that knew him wouldn't really be in the right fram of mind to play and it's not fair on them. I remember the Premier League got a lot of bad press when Gary Speed died and they allowed Swansea/Villa to go ahead, when players on both teams were quite clearly upset and not right to play.
Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2012, 05:09 PM
I don't know, but I still feel it's a drastic decision.
Will it apply to just today's games or all weekend games?
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Apr 14 2012, 05:10 PM
Football's just football.
Losing a life is completely different, yes people die everyday but they don't die everyday in football and this is the correct decision.
Posted by: Danny Apr 14 2012, 05:14 PM
Any players and coaches that knew him wouldn't really be in the right fram of mind to play and it's not fair on them. I remember the Premier League got a lot of bad press when Gary Speed died and they allowed Swansea/Villa to go ahead, when players on both teams were quite clearly upset and not right to play.
Agreed.
I was obviously disappointed to tune in finding the game had been postponed, but the day football becomes more important than life itself, which is the suggestion some are making here, is a sad day indeed.
Perspective chaps - a footballer died on the pitch today - it will affect the frame of mind of every player out there. Like Kurt here says, the Speed thing is particularly notable - seeing Shay Given in tears isn't really a good way to present football.
Right decision, and RIP to him and condolences his family.
Posted by: William405 Apr 14 2012, 05:14 PM
Losing a life is completely different, yes people die everyday but they don't die everyday in football and this is the correct decision.
So?Do you think people that die outside of football are insignificant to stop a match for?I just don't get your logic at all.If the game postponed was between teams that were heavily related to him then I'd understand...
Posted by: vahid Apr 14 2012, 05:14 PM
Will it apply to just today's games or all weekend games?
All weekend games.
most probably games will be played on 17th and 18th.
Posted by: Danny Apr 14 2012, 05:15 PM
I understand this sucks for football.But people so sad about it,and crying,should grow up imo and face facts...People die everyday...
Anyone who's sad about this should grow up?
God, some of the attitudes I hear these days make me slightly sick tbh.
Posted by: Danny Apr 14 2012, 05:16 PM
His logic is impeccable. Your posts are making you look really bad indeed.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Apr 14 2012, 05:16 PM
What are you on about?
People die everyday, that's apart of life, obviously. Though when you die in a sport, like in the Italian League it's the correct call to postpone the games as a mark of RESPECT.
I'm sorry but I find it disgusting that little fans are getting in a tizz because they're not watching one game of football. When a guy has lost his life in this league and obviously players, families etc are going to be affected.
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 14 2012, 05:18 PM
R.I.P. Morosini
At first I was pissed they'd called off all games, but I do believe it was the right decision.
Posted by: William405 Apr 14 2012, 05:20 PM
I was obviously disappointed to tune in finding the game had been postponed, but the day football becomes more important than life itself, which is the suggestion some are making here, is a sad day indeed.
Perspective chaps - a footballer died on the pitch today - it will affect the frame of mind of every player out there. Like Kurt here says, the Speed thing is particularly notable - seeing Shay Given in tears isn't really a good way to present football.
Right decision, and RIP to him and condolences his family.
Why are you making the assumption that by playing football today,we're undervaluing the life of this lad?
Would it affect the frame of mind of every player?I'm not sure,maybe the people who were related to him,but then again I won't make the assumption that he was or was not related to many players from Serie A,or whatever.It's another sad day for football,that's for sure though.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Apr 14 2012, 05:20 PM
Perspective chaps - a footballer died on the pitch today - it will affect the frame of mind of every player out there. Like Kurt here says, the Speed thing is particularly notable - seeing Shay Given in tears isn't really a good way to present football.
Right decision, and RIP to him and condolences his family.
+1
Posted by: William405 Apr 14 2012, 05:22 PM
People die everyday, that's apart of life, obviously. Though when you die in a sport, like in the Italian League it's the correct call to postpone the games as a mark of RESPECT.
I'm sorry but I find it disgusting that little fans are getting in a tizz because they're not watching one game of football. When a guy has lost his life in this league and obviously players, families etc are going to be affected.
Ok,fair enough.That's your opinion.I don't think there is anything to speak bout anymore.
And,yes I was bit sad about not being able to watch the game,but that has nothing to do with why or why not this game should have been pospotned.
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 14 2012, 05:24 PM
I don't know what to say, other than it was the right decision to call off the games, and RIP to Morosini and condolences to his family & friends.
In the meantime, we can have a few days more days to get better prepared for the next game and that can't be a bad thing given our tight schedule. I'm sorry and it sucks that a player had to die for this opportunity to arise for us, but that's how the world works. it's NEVER been a fair place and never will be.
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 14 2012, 05:28 PM
Wow, this guy had a truly dramatic life. Lost his mother in 2001, his father in 2003 and his disabled brother some time later. A life ended in the worst way possible. Just terrible.
Posted by: Danny Apr 14 2012, 05:28 PM
And,yes I was bit sad about not being able to watch the game,but that has nothing to do with why or why not this game should have been pospotned.
So presumably when Dan Wheldon died in the Indy 500, the race should have carried on? The match with Morossini should just have carried on? None of the other matches should have been postponed?
Posted by: Danny Apr 14 2012, 05:30 PM
I don't know what to say, other than it was the right decision to call off the games, and RIP to Morosini and condolences to his family & friends.
In the meantime, we can have a few days more days to get better prepared for the next game and that can't be a bad thing given our tight schedule. I'm sorry and it sucks that a player had to die for this opportunity to arise for us, but that's how the world works. it's NEVER been a fair place and never will be.
I really, really object to your phrasing there. I think I know what you are getting at, but your wording is abysmal.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 14 2012, 05:31 PM
You aren't using the right logical steps here.
A player died in Italian football - Italian footballers get the weekend off to mourn.
A guy died where my dad used to work a few years ago - everyone got the following day off.
It's not stopping football because of a death, it's stopping football because some of these people are good friends and colleagues of the person that died. It's the right decision.
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 14 2012, 05:32 PM
I can't believe we're having a argument on whether or not the game should've been called off. do we have to argue over everything???
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 14 2012, 05:32 PM
A player died in Italian football - Italian footballers get the weekend off to mourn.
A guy died where my dad used to work a few years ago - everyone got the following day off.
It's not stopping football because of a death, it's stopping football because some of these people are good friends and colleagues of the person that died. It's the right decision.
Nicely put.
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 14 2012, 05:33 PM
A player died in Italian football - Italian footballers get the weekend off to mourn.
A guy died where my dad used to work a few years ago - everyone got the following day off.
It's not stopping football because of a death, it's stopping football because some of these people are good friends and colleagues of the person that died. It's the right decision.
Nicely put × 2
Posted by: William405 Apr 14 2012, 05:38 PM
A player died in Italian football - Italian footballers get the weekend off to mourn.
A guy died where my dad used to work a few years ago - everyone got the following day off.
It's not stopping football because of a death, it's stopping football because some of these people are good friends and colleagues of the person that died. It's the right decision.
Ok,I agree,and apologize.Something always ticks me about insignificance about other people's death.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Apr 14 2012, 05:54 PM
Other people's deaths aren't insignificant, we just don't hear about their place of work shutting down for the day because they're not all the media spotlight, that's all.
Posted by: William405 Apr 14 2012, 05:56 PM
True true.
Posted by: servbot Apr 14 2012, 06:23 PM
These incidents seem to be occurring way too often for comfort. Hope this isn't some kind of trend developing.
RIP Morosini
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 14 2012, 06:29 PM
Muntari played with Morosini during their spell at Udinese. After the announcement, he left the pitch visibly moved.
Posted by: TriniKing_CE Apr 14 2012, 06:44 PM
I was obviously disappointed to tune in finding the game had been postponed, but the day football becomes more important than life itself, which is the suggestion some are making here, is a sad day indeed.
Perspective chaps - a footballer died on the pitch today - it will affect the frame of mind of every player out there. Like Kurt here says, the Speed thing is particularly notable - seeing Shay Given in tears isn't really a good way to present football.
Right decision, and RIP to him and condolences his family.
+1
A player died in Italian football - Italian footballers get the weekend off to mourn.
A guy died where my dad used to work a few years ago - everyone got the following day off.
It's not stopping football because of a death, it's stopping football because some of these people are good friends and colleagues of the person that died. It's the right decision.
+1
Posted by: MizNelson Apr 14 2012, 06:55 PM
Agreed. It'd be like last year when Dan Wheldon died, and the race had continued nonetheless.
I know football is an escape for millions but this is the right decision.
Posted by: vahid Apr 19 2012, 08:27 AM
No one wants to open a thread for Milan-Bologna? the game is on Sunday.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 22 2012, 10:40 AM
When will this game be played? Wednesday?
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 22 2012, 03:46 PM
Yes.
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 24 2012, 02:23 PM
Milan (4-3-1-2): Abbiati; Abate, Nesta, Thiago Silva, Antonini; Gattuso, Van Bommel, Nocerino; Emanuelson; Ibrahimovic, Cassano.
Source: Mediaset.
Like Italians would say, "siamo ai titoli di coda" (we're at the ending credits).
Posted by: William405 Apr 24 2012, 02:54 PM
Wow,we really don't want to spend money on aquilani...
Posted by: han2503 Apr 24 2012, 03:41 PM
Or Allegri is out of his damn mind!!
He has other option besides Aqui if he really does not want to play him.
And personally I prefer to see Urby at LB with Robs behind the 2 strikers.
We have nothing left to lose, we simply have to go out for all the 3 points from now until the rest of the season
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 24 2012, 04:30 PM
Again the Aquilani cries...
Look at the bright side, at least Cassano is in the XI. not to mention the return of the king Thiago.
I think we will win this one.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 24 2012, 04:35 PM
No Cassano I think. In the press conf. Allegri said that Cassano does not have 90 minutes.
In any case it is a proposed lineup. However, I will be super pissed if he plays Nocerino on the right.
And Urby on the left?? Based on a final few minutes played is silly. I think he is defensively suspect and I'd be worried about putting him right from the beginning.
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 24 2012, 04:39 PM
I don't get it, if Cassano doesn't have 90 minutes in him, sub him sometime during the 2nd half. until then he will probably have worked his magic. HE MUST START!
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 24 2012, 04:43 PM
Yes, his defensive instability will be exposed against the unstoppable attack of Genoa. For crying out loud!
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 24 2012, 04:59 PM
You do realize that at this rate we are not going to re-sign him, right? It's one thing not playing him if he's not fit, and another thing not willing to spend a miserable €6 million to sign him. With him and Seedorf gone, who's going to be our playmaker? Just Montolivo? This is getting very, very worrisome.
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 24 2012, 06:04 PM
I agree he should play enough games so we can sign him... how many more games does he need? it's 3 IINM, right?
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 24 2012, 06:14 PM
Two games from the start. He's collected 23 appearances, so far.
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 24 2012, 06:27 PM
Out Seedorf and Robinho for technical choice.
Posted by: TheOgre Apr 24 2012, 09:27 PM
Milan squad: Abbiati, Amelia, Abate, Antonini, Mesbah, Nesta, Yepes, Aquilani, Boateng, Emanuelson, Gattuso, Merkel, Muntari, Nocerino, Strasser, Van Bommel, Cassano, El Shaarawy, Ibrahimovic, Maxi Lopez
No Thiago, Mexes, or Robinho
http://www.football-italia.net/18051/boateng-back-milan-genoa
Posted by: William405 Apr 24 2012, 09:54 PM
Good to see Boateng back there.
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 24 2012, 10:25 PM
I guess Thiago has suffered one of those famous relapses endemic to AC Milan
I wouldn't mind an explanation as to why Mexes doesn't get called up though. is he injured? is he unfit? does Max hate his guts? or ...?
Posted by: acid911 Apr 24 2012, 10:30 PM
More importantly, no Seedorf.
Has the Milan family finally cracked. Technically, little remains of the family, but still, we are seeing people washing their dirty clothes in public now.
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 25 2012, 12:03 AM
He's not injured, no. It's a technical decision, just like with Seedorf and Robinho. However, one must wonder that Allegri has not played him ever since his two gaffes with Barça and Fiorentina.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 25 2012, 08:45 AM
Yes, but they are justified. I'm not a fan of Aquilani - the fact that I had a better opinion on him as a player before he joined Milan says enough. But to play Gattuso over him at this point is just unbelievable.
But it's not that. It's just that Allegri used Emanuelson on the left two or three times, when Milan was in a gun ho position. I don't think Allegri sees a fullback in him, and I must concur. Antonini is the better choice for me.
It is, but I do hope and believe we will sign a replacement for Seedorf in addition to Montolivo. Because paying for Aquilani while signing Monto for free and chasing another AM doesn't look promising. I think it's for the best to part ways with Aquilani - he's injury prone, failed at Liverpool and Juventus, I really don't see it in him.
Has the Milan family finally cracked. Technically, little remains of the family, but still, we are seeing people washing their dirty clothes in public now.You think the Seedorf thing is that serious?
So that's it you think? Because I remember the likes of Taiwo and Sokartis being sidelined with no option for redemption. Of course both were on another level of bad, but yet...
Posted by: William405 Apr 25 2012, 08:48 AM
Huh,if it's a technical decision,then it's a very stupid one.Mexes has been nothing short of perfect bare those 2 games.I have to say Allegri is making it very hard for himself right now...
Posted by: acid911 Apr 25 2012, 09:18 AM
Don't you?
I mean, the man himself clarified in a press conference. We've seen Seedorf lose control before, so it's not like this is something new. But the fact remains that only 10-20% of the stuff comes out in the open, gets reported in the media, the remaining goes on behind the curtains.And judging by the movement of the curtain, it is relatively safe to assume that there is friction in Milan.
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 25 2012, 04:21 PM
I don't believe that. we're really short on CBs. if someone gets injured we'll be in a big trouble with no one to bring in, Max just cannot leave Mexes out of the squad for "technical reasons". if that was the case, Mexes would be called up but would just sit on the bench (like Taiwo or Sokrates would).
I think it's an injury or something.
Posted by: William405 Apr 25 2012, 04:26 PM
Abbiati; Abate, Nesta, Yepes, Antonini; Nocerino, Van Bommel, Muntari; Emanuelson; El Shaarawy, Ibrahimovic
dududududu
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 25 2012, 04:31 PM
Hmm...
Posted by: William405 Apr 25 2012, 04:34 PM
I've had it with Allegri :/
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 25 2012, 04:36 PM
Damn it, where's Cassano...
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 25 2012, 04:36 PM
Let's see....Genoa are sufficiently weak enough for even this crazy lineup to have enough quality to edge through with a victory. A draw is end of any season hopes and we need serious retrospection.
@Zed.D: I told you Cassano won't start. Max has a pattern. It's starting to be rather scarily evident.
Posted by: William405 Apr 25 2012, 04:37 PM
It's more about not starting Aquilani and playing Nocerino in his weaker position to adapt with Muntari bleh
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 25 2012, 04:45 PM
Given that Inter actually gave us money to keep Muntari, maybe there's a clause in his contract that he should play a certain number of games similar to the one with Aquilani? I'm serious, think about it... it's very probable!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 25 2012, 04:47 PM
YEs..that is bemusing...
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 04:52 PM
Don't buy into that.
Muntari is Allegri's favourite kind of player. And him picking him every week just makes me sick to my stomach. I knew this would happen when we signed him, but people were all, "don't be negative, he's just cover, bla bla bla". Only Allegri could reach a new low and keep him on as a regular
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 05:01 PM
Another thing about that atrocious, disgusting line-up. this could hopefully be the line-up that gets him the sack in the end
So continue to make an idiot out of yourself all you want Max, at the end, we'll be the only ones who stand to gain from this by seeing the back of you at the end of the season
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 05:03 PM
Muntari: First touch, first lost ball How predictable of him
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 25 2012, 05:08 PM
El Sha has been fantastic so far
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 05:10 PM
So much mediocrity in our team. I can barely stand to watch
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 25 2012, 05:15 PM
Big game for Birsa, with Marino and Malesani not picking him, Valter has to prove himself for the NT and for Genoa's resurgence.
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 05:19 PM
I'm feeling disgusted watching this team right now!
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 05:31 PM
Allegri should make the change now FFS!!
This is getting ridiculous!!
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 25 2012, 05:32 PM
very nice counter
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 25 2012, 05:33 PM
would you slow down, genoa have gotten embarrassed of late, they are playing defensively, we will break them sooner or later...
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 05:39 PM
When? With this mediocre midfield?
We could play until next Sunday like this and still not score. I seriously cannot take watching this cr@p for much longer
Watching Urby and Muntari fumble over their own feet in midfield is just too much for me
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 25 2012, 05:43 PM
We could play until next Sunday like this and still not score. I seriously cannot take watching this cr@p for much longer
Watching Urby and Muntari fumble over their own feet in midfield is just too much for me
i'd still rather them to seedorf, ambro , and rino
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 05:47 PM
We simply don't have any idea at all about what to do.
No player in midfield who can pick out a decent pass, no movement, no nothing
Posted by: William405 Apr 25 2012, 05:51 PM
I barely was able to watch this match,horrible.Muntari with his usual brain farts,except he's had like 20 of them,he can't do anything,emanuelson,what can I say,barely visible,he can't play there at all.Ibra got cocky when we have our best chance,El sharawwy is trying,but what more can he do,Nocerino can't do anything on that side,it's obvious...
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 25 2012, 05:54 PM
Abate and Antonini are so bad, totally relegation zone material if not Serie B. they add absolutely nothing to our attacking game and they're no great defenders either. makes me sick to see Milan in this state.
Posted by: William405 Apr 25 2012, 05:56 PM
I'll take average fullbacks,I can't stand this midfield though :/
Also,I don't know,Abate's solid defensively,hrmm.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 25 2012, 05:58 PM
Also,I don't know,Abate's solid defensively,hrmm.
recently i''d say antonini has become our best WB. Abate got bullied by jankovic and he has thumped it towards no one 2-3 times
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 05:59 PM
You choose to pin point the fullbacks? Our midfield is the real problem here. A midfield which is chosen by Allegri game after game when it's clear that it just does not work
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 25 2012, 06:00 PM
I see Allegri's choices are working perfectly as always.
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 06:02 PM
Yep, just blazing through them
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 06:09 PM
He does something good for once
Still ridiculous to take off El Shaa and VB
LOLLL
Muntari still on
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 06:13 PM
Can't beleive that he actually let Muntari on to martial our midfield FFS!!!!!
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 06:16 PM
So f@cking sick of Muntari!!
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 25 2012, 06:21 PM
THIS is milan worthy
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 25 2012, 06:22 PM
We are so bad it's unbelievable.
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Apr 25 2012, 06:26 PM
This team is devoid of any ideas, invention or even urgency. It doesn't help that Muntari thinks he's Zidane in the middle of the park, but he doesn't possess 1% of Zidane's skill and hasn't even got a first touch:rolleyes:
I just thank my lucky stars that we haven't got even more DM's... 
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Apr 25 2012, 06:28 PM
And as much as it pains me to say it, this is why Juve deserve the scudetto.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 25 2012, 06:29 PM
birsa off, we're at least getting a draw
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 25 2012, 06:31 PM
I stopped watching...
I hope we can snatch a win though, Cesena-Juve is 0-0 so far.
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 06:31 PM
Red for Genoa. They better win this now FFS!!!
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 25 2012, 06:31 PM
red?
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Apr 25 2012, 06:32 PM
^^
This really is a new low for us...
(nothing against you il_diavolo BTW
)With them having ten men? We'd better at least have a helpful penalty
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 25 2012, 06:33 PM
Cassano <3
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 25 2012, 06:34 PM
This really is a new low for us...
(nothing against you il_diavolo BTW
)With them having ten men? We'd better at least have a helpful penalty
don't be hatin' on Valter, he's a monster for the NT
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Apr 25 2012, 06:35 PM
Wow Muntari seems more helpful to them! Great save by Frey though.
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 25 2012, 06:39 PM
Allegri and his Muntari fixation have been our demise.
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Apr 25 2012, 06:40 PM
Juve still drawing as well! Why is it when we have a chance to close the gap we throw it away...
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 06:42 PM
Muntari has wasted more time with his erratic passing than the Genoa players combined
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 25 2012, 06:42 PM
Say all you want but I have no doubt in my mind that there's a behind-the-curtains reason why Muntari not just starts but plays every game to the end despite being complete ****.
I'm more mad at Galliani for signing that piece of crap in the first place, even if Allegri asked for him.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 25 2012, 06:43 PM
Borriello scores for Juve.
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Apr 25 2012, 06:45 PM
Juve now 1-0....Borriello....LOL just lol
Edit: PRINCE 
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 06:45 PM
PRINCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 25 2012, 06:45 PM
First Amauri and now Borriello. what a sad season this has become. I feel like it's Carlo last days again.
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 25 2012, 06:46 PM
What's the matter with you, I thought we scored
EDIT: nevermind
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 25 2012, 06:47 PM
We did.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Apr 25 2012, 06:48 PM
Eman has to start LB next game
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 06:48 PM
Why are the fans cheering. Juve are still winning!
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 25 2012, 06:50 PM
At least Juve won't be "safe" yet.
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 06:55 PM
Juve will win this for sure. Everything seems to be going their way now. A few months ago. Boriello would have never scored a winner for them, not even if his life depended on it. Now he's scored potentially the scudetto clincher
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Apr 25 2012, 06:56 PM
All I can say is thank f*ck for Prince!
Posted by: amancik Apr 25 2012, 07:00 PM
If we're gonna go down, at least we go down trying.
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 25 2012, 07:02 PM
I want Prince and Cassano to start all the remaining games, no question asked
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 07:04 PM
Let's just see Allegri waste the first 45 minutes of each game before he wakes up and makes changes
And Urby simply has to start at LB. His crosses were the reason for our last 2 goals in these games. He's a mediocre midfielder but a great wingback
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 25 2012, 07:07 PM
let me still at least hope. I know everything is against us, and the level of performance we offer is incredibly low and not champions material, but anyway. We must get rid of Allegri. I can't stand his system any more; the Rocky mountains are more flexible then his line-up and system.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 25 2012, 07:09 PM
Han, I can't believe how superficial you've become. Shame on you!
But honestly, a great wingback?? This after 2 final matches, when the opponent played with 10/9 defenders and there was no pressure on our side? I think you're rushing it.
Posted by: Zed.D Apr 25 2012, 07:11 PM
+1.
Though apparently Cassano doesn't have 45 minutes in him yet, he's playing around 30 minutes each game and it'd be ridiculous to play him from the start (given the intensity of the game during those minutes) and then sub him even before the HT. but as soon as he's ready for 45 minutes ie one half, he must start. even if he has to come out at HT, I think it'd work better for us if he started.
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 07:18 PM
let me still at least hope. I know everything is against us, and the level of performance we offer is incredibly low and not champions material, but anyway. We must get rid of Allegri. I can't stand his system any more; the Rocky mountains are more flexible then his line-up and system.
I've personally lost all hope. Just lookng at this team play makes me lose hope. And Juve are winning games like some sort of machine. It's just their season. I'll be disgusted when they patch on their fake third star at the end of the season
As for Allegri, he simply has to go come the end of the season. Even just the Muntari issue is enough of a reason to get him the f@ck out of Milanello. I've seen some really mediocre players wearing our shirt in recent history, but this guy has to take the cake, and what's even worse is that he's being giving the recognition and time by our deluded coach
But honestly, a great wingback?? This after 2 final matches, when the opponent played with 10/9 defenders and there was no pressure on our side? I think you're rushing it.
I don't care, it's the last 4 games, I have to take what good I can get. Once Thiago is back we'll be more stable at the back, thus can aford to have a more attacking LB. Antonini is just not cutting it. Sure he's improved a bit defensively but we need some sort of outlet, especially when playing the type of midfield that couldn't find a decent pass to save their lives
He's good at crossing the ball, has some decent pace on him and can turn his man when the occasion strikes. Plus he's terrible in the midfield
Though apparently Cassano doesn't have 45 minutes in him yet, he's playing around 30 minutes each game and it'd be ridiculous to play him from the start (given the intensity of the game during those minutes) and then sub him even before the HT. but as soon as he's ready for 45 minutes ie one half, he must start. even if he has to come out at HT, I think it'd work better for us if he started.
I'd rather he start and we do the damage early on in the game. Get 2 goals and be done with it. we're wasting so much time doing nothing but hacking the ball around the pitch, especially in the first alf. We need to kill these games off quick
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 25 2012, 08:28 PM
Why is everyone going FIFA 2012 all of a sudden?!
Posted by: han2503 Apr 25 2012, 09:10 PM
I hardly think playing Urby at LB is FIFA 12 tactics...
He's played there for Ajax, only Allegri's dimented, twisted reality has been pushing for him in the AM position. Besides, it's not like Antonini is a wall we can't live without. We need some form of outlet out wide if we can't even make a simple pass through the center
Posted by: X-Offender Apr 26 2012, 12:29 AM
Muntari playing every game from the start is one (disgusting) thing, but when Allegri deploys him as regista (instead of van Bommel) is, frankly speaking, one of the most ridiculous things I've witnessed in all my years of being a Milan fan. Why oh why did god curse us with this coach and this player?
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 26 2012, 08:51 AM
He's played there for Ajax, only Allegri's dimented, twisted reality has been pushing for him in the AM position. Besides, it's not like Antonini is a wall we can't live without. We need some form of outlet out wide if we can't even make a simple pass through the center
Have you seen him play though? Because I have and he was awful. Then he was moved as winger which he did good. This is his natural position.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 26 2012, 09:53 AM
Exactly. I was really surprised to see this from han. It is one thing to run against a ten man team with a few minutes left at the end of the game. Another to start at left back in the Italian league with a 4-3-1-2 formation.
I agree his strength is on the wings. At which point my question is why in hell is he deployed in the hole? Surely he can overlap with our left back to stretch play or cut in to crowd the centre?
If he plays as left back now, we have Sulley or Noce covering his space. Suicidal!!
We could try a three man defence with wing backs but I don't see max trying anything innovative so late in the season.
He is gonna hope Juve slip up and when they don't , insist we had a great season and blame the injuries.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 26 2012, 10:04 AM
Yeah, that's surely his plan. And the sad part is, I fear Milan will buy his excuse (don't forget the whole referee thing). Unless of course Berlusconi somehow acts out and offers and new plan for a new Milan.
Btw. what do you guys think of a compromise solution: keeping Allegri on but adding Capello as Footballing Director or Technical Director?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 26 2012, 10:37 AM
I don't see the benefits without knowing his role. Leo in that post did a lot of scouting and helped act as an ambassador in Brazil.
What does Fabio bring? To me he has always been a coach. And im not sure. This new role might just make the coach feel threatened...knowing that he could just be fired and don Fabio would step in.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 26 2012, 12:02 PM
What does Fabio bring? To me he has always been a coach. And im not sure. This new role might just make the coach feel threatened...knowing that he could just be fired and don Fabio would step in.
Yeah, I believe Fabio is better suited as a coach ... He made his name as a coach and I would be ecstatic if he came back to lead from the bench again.
Posted by: William405 Apr 26 2012, 01:39 PM
Capello said himself that he only wants to coach,interview was today,he also denied any contact with milan.
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