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Posted by: acid911 Feb 27 2009, 06:43 PM
So we live to see another match. 
It's the month of March, and we march (pun always intended) to the city of Genoa. I won't talk much about it, there doesn't seem much worth talking about, anyway. Other than the little fact that I'll have the usual flavor, a 1-0 win should more than do the job. Anything more will be a bonus. Last time we beat Samp 3-0 at home, so they'll be keen to return the favor. Plus, I'm still waiting for the latest on Seedorf, the way he injured himself, we may very well have to do without him. Oh, and our friends have two tough matches, Juve have to face Napoli (they lost 2-1 last time), and inter have to dash it out with Roma. We may or may not cover some ground. The place, an absolute beauty:
Anyhoo, as usual, time for some stats between the two clubs, current rankings, head to head, top scorers, etc.
Date: Sunday, 01 March, 2008
Time: 2:00 pm to 3:30 pm GMT
Place: Stadio Luigi Ferraris (Genoa)
Capacity: 36,536
Forza Milan! 
Posted by: Darunia Feb 27 2009, 08:53 PM
This is a delicate moment for Milan, we're in poor form and we have a lot of injuries. An away match is never easy for us this year, (4-4-4 record).
It looks like Seedorf, Ambrosini will be out, while Kaka is a doubt.
Abbiati
Zambrotta Bonera Maldini Jankulovski
Beckham Pirlo Flamini
Ronaldinho
Inzaghi Pato
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 27 2009, 09:06 PM
It looks like Seedorf, Ambrosini will be out, while Kaka is a doubt.
Abbiati
Zambrotta Bonera Maldini Jankulovski
Beckham Pirlo Flamini
Ronaldinho
Inzaghi Pato
yeah your right for the most part on that prediction.
It doesn't even matter if they draw or lose. Were still ahead of genoa so were okay.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 27 2009, 09:21 PM
i think it is important to win or lose Carlo needs to prove he can control his men
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 27 2009, 09:27 PM
Disappointment, the bitterness and anger ALL FANS
credit: milannews
I hope to see such a letter published in the beautiful day heading "LETTER OF THE FANS. Start by saying that my purpose is to reflect. To reflect all the management, fans, and why not, well you start by, first, that writing is not just a much, but it does not matter, because in this case the words are not from the brain, but from the heart.
Fan letters:
Hello I am a young fan of Milan. premetto that in recent years I have married the various choices of the leadership and I have always defended our team attacks by the various people who said: "AC Milan is a team of old, indolent, and so ."... well, this season I think partly due mainly to the general development, commitment and "evil" racing on display in the Uefa Cup ... for gratitude, and mostly out of respect for and belief in the fact that they are still very useful (more than many others) to the cause rossonera, I do not dream of criticizing Ancelotti and Seedorf, but what I'm not hard to see is why, if you believe the Uefa competition "child" does not give the opportunity for young people or Darmian of Antonini take the bones, or because our reserves in recent years, the shield on, have never been to the owners ... start guys, we start from Gourcuff, Antonini, Pato, Kaka and Borriello ... and why not, even by Carlo Ancelotti, who knows that with a new project, with no new incentives will lead to other successes ... not abbattiamoci, rialziamoci as we have always done, and once we learn from our mistakes ... to err is human persevere is diabolical ... rialziamoci and riprendiamoci the place that we deserve, at the top of Italy and Europe at the top!
We should not be afraid!
Dear Milan, I have now decided you have to write .....
And for years we illud .... speaking of Europe .... just now, even by UEFA were you thrown out!
Wee are a fan ever since I understand what football is, not who he falls in love with a different team with Van Basten, Gullit, Rijkaard, Massaro .... and many more!
But this team is less talk of the defense but that it was a defense, and defense was a school with milan Maldini, Costacurta, Tassotti and the legendary Franco Baresi! Now who's that supports nosta fantasy offensive player ..... what is the spring except Maldini (40 years !!!!)...
In my opinion the problem of today's Milan and the base of the team and this base and the defense ... AC Milan, Milan is the team that won 7 Champions, which must be written in the mesh with "the most titled club in the world" can not deploy a defense of the genre!
With all due respect for others seems natural that our dear Paolo Maldini Games 3 games in a week to 40 years and is almost always the best?
An effort can not be done in defense? We let go a certain Barzagli to Wolfsburg and we should not talk about budgets when you pay 4 million a year to maintain a goalkeeper on the bench (see Dida), there are so many good players in Italy but in my opinion none of Milan is interested in their ... Why? Who knows?
Someone can tell me what has to envy such a Ferrari (which was released) to Senderos?
You can not play in Milan when it is young? I saw some Antonini watch the game from the bench with Wolfsburg while Favalli could not more!
And time to react, not attack, because if there was a strong defense today speak of the various Ronaldinho, Pato, Kaka .... as we talked before Van Basten & co!
Dear Ancelotti is like any other, throws a couple into the fray I am sure that some will emerge champion! Since when did you have not launched one (apart from that there Paloschi more) and in 8 years and communque a pity! We should not be afraid ....
To prepare for the next championship I will cast into the fray as a young Darmian, Albertazzi ,.... must dare !!!!!
Not and never finished !!!!! FORZA MILAN
you just have to suck humiliation now I tired to follow the path .. Milan Ancelotti and the old guard ... Madina, Favalli, Kaladze, Shevchenko, Seedorf make room for new players! enough! simply say "all the trophies won in these years .. "" the most titled club in the world ".. and you Berlusconi se nn vuoi invest more in Milan by facts! Thank you for everything you've done but if the Milan No longer your priority leaves stay! each years now we are collecting postings from interfering and deepest in Europe are now two years that we are light years away from most teams forti.stiamo creating a chasm between us and the other, a gap that must be remedied immediately or in the other years will become impossible recover! our stars will leave .. Pato, Kakà will choose other ways ... scusate the vent and the little grammar corretta.saluto all the friends of Milannews redazione.vi and follow all giorni.saluti
I love Milan. But these are some testing times. Defensively we are horrible. Everyone knew this yet we only made offensive purchases. I am happy dinho is here and even tho boriello hasnt proven himself yet i think it was a good signing. However we got NO good defenders. Nesta was the best but it seems he is at his end. Maldini is retiring, kaladze is horrible, senderos is not to be relied upon as a regular starter
Can we Milan fans imagine how team without Pato this season. We wuld have been in 12th position in the league. It just shows u the importance of yout. He as definately been the main man this season and he is still the youngest member of the squad.As for Maldini: Shame on you. you have definately lost my respect now. should have retired 4 seasons ago but u just continue to hinder the youthful defenders at the club. just look at the performance of inter's SANTON the other day to see what youth can
Two people are to blame for MILAN's failures this season. Ancelotti and Galliani. Ancelotti for refusing to play the younger players in the squad (ex. Flamini, Antonini) and Galliani for refusing to buy younger players. We don't need players like Beckham. We need youth - Benzema, Diego, Gourcuff, Mexes, Santacroce...The team that won us 2 CL titles is gone. Time to re-plenish the squad with new YOUNG players.
It is embarassing it is February and our goal is now "finish top 4". Even if we had made the Coppa Italia our prime target at the start of the season, we still arent good enough to win that competition. The squad minus 3 or 4 players is embarassing and would not make the starting side of half of Serie A (Kaka, Pato and Ronnie). I feel sorry for Ancelotti as it is Braida and Galliani that signs these over-the-hill players and Ancelotti is being made the scapegoat like Zac was a decade ago.
What so Galliani's STILL giving Ancelotti another chance?? Wasn't last year's objective qualifying for the Champions League? Ancelotti failed and he still stayed on.. Objectives for this season were winning the Scudetto and winning the UEFA Cup...both failures! NOW the objective became qualifying for the Champions League! What's the point of setting objectives at the start of the season to modify them later? For Ancelotti its been FAIL FAIL FAIL and that should now mean SACKING! Galliani WAKE UP
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 27 2009, 09:52 PM
i'm sensing a bit of unease with the FO in your post....
Posted by: kurtsimonw Feb 28 2009, 02:46 AM
Milan win, 4-1.
As much as I get annoyed with this club, 9 times out of 10, when things are bad, they often raise their level of performance with a "Criticise us now, *****" attitude!
Posted by: Tennie Feb 28 2009, 02:56 AM
Hope you're right, Kurt.
Samp haven't had the best of seasons but Pazzini-Cassano is turning into a good partnership.
I've got nothing at all against their regular keeper but part of me is hoping that their Primavera keeper plays this one. Not because I've got it in for Samp but because the kid, Fiorillo, is said to be REALLY REALLY good and I've only seen him a couple of times.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 28 2009, 02:57 AM
I'd like to agree with kurt. But I think the renaissance will start only AFTER we lose this one. 
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 28 2009, 03:12 AM
Samp haven't had the best of seasons but Pazzini-Cassano is turning into a good partnership.
I've got nothing at all against their regular keeper but part of me is hoping that their Primavera keeper plays this one. Not because I've got it in for Samp but because the kid, Fiorillo, is said to be REALLY REALLY good and I've only seen him a couple of times.
fiorillo is 19 (jan31/90) and said to be the next buffon or so. Kid is amazing. I would say best u 20 goalkeeper in the world. But i dont think we would ever consider signing a youth goalkeeper. After the llorris incident, i'm sure that milan only field keepers that are 30+
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 28 2009, 03:13 AM
Yeah i agree with you on that. Why? simple, the future captain will be back.
Posted by: Tennie Feb 28 2009, 03:29 AM
Who, Ambrosini?
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 28 2009, 03:36 AM
Haha very very funny. I'm not going to answer your question. I think the future captain will show you who he is on the field with a captain like performance.
Posted by: Tennie Feb 28 2009, 04:06 AM
That would be Gattuso, then. At least to me and yes, I know you almost certainly disagree.
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 28 2009, 04:53 AM
gattuso??? LOL Future captain has got much more skill than that player .
Posted by: elcordobez Feb 28 2009, 05:49 AM
Future captain wasn't in good form before he was injured.
But this is Samp their defense has been leaky,perhaps he could take advantage of that and get back to his best.
another 3 - 0 victory imo with Pato grabbing all of 'em
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 28 2009, 07:16 AM
we cannot discount the Cassano/Pazzini partnership (though i am unaware is cassano is stil injured :S)
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Feb 28 2009, 07:19 AM
i'm thinking emerson?
Posted by: Zed.D Feb 28 2009, 07:19 AM
Still waiting for his first hat trick
hope it happens in this season cause I want one hat trick every season 
As for the game.. I kinda agree with what Kurt said. every time we're in a position where everything indicates to big changes in the following season, Carlo manages to win one game big and make everything look normal again. I can see us winning 3-1 and Carlo saying after the game that how there never was any crisis, etc etc.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 28 2009, 08:36 AM
You guys don't get it. Our performance tomorrow depends on one man -jefri91. Pray to him!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 28 2009, 10:57 AM
Oh, we're gonna win, but I don't think this will be a pretty match.
Godness gracious me, Tuttomercato's saying Ambrosini OUT too!
Posted by: Bluesummers Feb 28 2009, 11:10 AM
ambro out too, omg!
If were lucky:
abbiati-zambro-bonera-maldini-janku-beckham-pirlo-flamini-ronaldinho-inzaghi-pato
Posted by: han2503 Feb 28 2009, 11:48 AM
Our squad ius falling like flies atm.
What's happening with our medical team FFS??!!!
I guess age has finally gotten to everyone, no one can do miracles. Glad that Paolo has managed to stay fit throughout the season.
Hopefully we'll see this one tomorrow
Becks--Pirlo--Flamini
Dinho/Kaka
Sheva--Pato
Anyone know the situation with Kaka and Dinho? I know Seedorf is out so I'm hoping atleast one of them will be ready for this game
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 28 2009, 11:52 AM
Kaka's almost definitely out. Or he won't be risked. We still have to play Juve and Roma. I'm starting to worry about Pato burning out too.
jefri...better get cracking on PES, with his predictions.
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 28 2009, 11:54 AM
Now Ambro's out? Jesus, we're going to have to start plucking fans from the stands to fill in for our walking MASH unit.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 28 2009, 11:55 AM
I don't think it does have anything to do with age - in fact, Paolo, Favalli, even Inzaghi and the other vets are holding very good. Didn't we hire this team doctor just a year ago (season start)?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Feb 28 2009, 12:50 PM
Yes we did. This guy's been very disappointing. I think we should look at getting someone else. At least last season, it was the older people who were getting injured, and it was mostly stress related. This season has been wierd.
Injuries in the match are one thing. But injuries in training etc. are just wierd, and to me indicates bad physical conditioning. Another reason why I'd like Sacchi + Ramos.
Posted by: Ry4n Feb 28 2009, 01:37 PM
For this match i'm gunna predict a 2-0 away win with Goals from Pato
Posted by: ACM1899 Feb 28 2009, 05:36 PM
Unavailable players: Kalac, Kaladze, Nesta, Ambrosini, Gattuso, Borriello, Kakà, Ronaldinho.
Take these players out of your starting 11 guys.
Posted by: weeeow Feb 28 2009, 05:43 PM
I don't really care how we play as long as we win!
FORZA MILAN!!! 
Posted by: Il Capitano Feb 28 2009, 05:58 PM
Abbbiati
Zambrotta-Bonera-Maldini-Favalli
Beckham-Flamini-Pirlo-Jankulovski
Inzaghi-Pato
This is the line-up I think we will see against Sampdoria.
Posted by: han2503 Feb 28 2009, 06:01 PM
Take these players out of your starting 11 guys.
How is Seedorf not there? Has he recorved?
Posted by: dst Feb 28 2009, 06:01 PM
When you travel around for useless friendlies in order to show off your star players you get shitty preparation. I remember when I was laughing at Madrid for such things...
The new doctor needs to be shown the door as soon as possible, it's unbelievable what's happening to the team.
It's a match-day decision.
Posted by: Tennie Feb 28 2009, 06:05 PM
From acmilan.com's english page, here are the call ups and injured list:
SAMP-MILAN: THE CALLED UP ROSSONERI
2/28/2009
MILANELLO - Carlo Ancelotti called up 20 players for the match against Sampdoria. Here is the official list:
Abbiati, Dida, Perucchini, Antonini, Bonera, Favalli, Jankulovski, Maldini, Mattioni, Senderos, Zambrotta, Beckham, Cardacio, Emerson, Flamini, Pirlo, Inzaghi, Pato, Seedorf, Shevchenko.
Unavailable players: Kalac, Kaladze, Nesta, Ambrosini, Gattuso, Borriello, Kakà, Ronaldinho.
EDIT: In the prematch press conference, Ancelotti hinted that he was going to play a 4-4-2 and that he hadn't decided whether to start Pippo or Shevchenko (along with Pato) in attack.
Posted by: dst Feb 28 2009, 06:14 PM
Mattioni is available? Wow!
I'd like to see this:
Mattioni - Bonera - Maldini - Zambrotta
Beckham - Pirlo - Flamini - Jankulovski
Pato - Pippo
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 28 2009, 06:39 PM
Didn't he replace Meersemann?
Posted by: Tennie Feb 28 2009, 06:45 PM
Nah, Meerseman is still there. The new guy replaced Sala.
Posted by: MizNelson Feb 28 2009, 07:39 PM
Edit: never mind, dopey comment
Posted by: vahid Feb 28 2009, 07:53 PM
SAMP-MILAN: THE CALLED UP ROSSONERI
2/28/2009
MILANELLO - Carlo Ancelotti called up 20 players for the match against Sampdoria. Here is the official list:
Abbiati, Dida, Perucchini, Antonini, Bonera, Favalli, Jankulovski, Maldini, Mattioni, Senderos, Zambrotta, Beckham, Cardacio, Emerson, Flamini, Pirlo, Inzaghi, Pato, Seedorf, Shevchenko.
Unavailable players: Kalac, Kaladze, Nesta, Ambrosini, Gattuso, Borriello, Kakà, Ronaldinho.
EDIT: In the prematch press conference, Ancelotti hinted that he was going to play a 4-4-2 and that he hadn't decided whether to start Pippo or Shevchenko (along with Pato) in attack.
WTH? Kaka is still injured.
Why they replaced Sala?he was much much better than these new medical staff.
Posted by: han2503 Feb 28 2009, 08:21 PM
SAMP-MILAN: THE CALLED UP ROSSONERI
2/28/2009
MILANELLO - Carlo Ancelotti called up 20 players for the match against Sampdoria. Here is the official list:
Abbiati, Dida, Perucchini, Antonini, Bonera, Favalli, Jankulovski, Maldini, Mattioni, Senderos, Zambrotta, Beckham, Cardacio, Emerson, Flamini, Pirlo, Inzaghi, Pato, Seedorf, Shevchenko.
Unavailable players: Kalac, Kaladze, Nesta, Ambrosini, Gattuso, Borriello, Kakà, Ronaldinho.
EDIT: In the prematch press conference, Ancelotti hinted that he was going to play a 4-4-2 and that he hadn't decided whether to start Pippo or Shevchenko (along with Pato) in attack.
I don't like the idea of us playing the 4-4-2, we simply don't have the players for that formation, and never really worked when Carlo tried it.If push comes to shove and Seedorf cannot be fit for the game, I would personally like to see the same 4-3-1-2 set up but with Pato in the attacking mid role supporting Sheva and Pippo. It would be better then playing a flat 4-4-2.
@dst, Mottioni is not going to start, you should know better
On the Sheva vs Pippo issue, I think should we go for 4-4-2 then Sheva should be the one to start because he's more comfortable dropping deep, because you know if we go with this one we're going to be left with a huge gap between the strikers and the midfield, but if we go for the 4-3-1-2 with Seedorf in the hole then Pippo gets the start
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Feb 28 2009, 08:55 PM
I'd like to see this:
Mattioni - Bonera - Maldini - Zambrotta
Beckham - Pirlo - Flamini - Jankulovski
Pato - Pippo
i like this 4-4-2 linup but not sure if it gonna happen
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Feb 28 2009, 10:28 PM
And is dottore Tavana still with us?
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 1 2009, 07:50 AM
good luck milan.
Hope we win.
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 1 2009, 07:56 AM
I have the strangest of feeelings, but i think we'll see mattioni for the first time tomorrow. I hope i'm not wrong.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 1 2009, 07:56 AM
I really don't think we will.
Right now our offence is not strong enough to counter our defence's weakness. I don't mean just our forwards, but our whole attacking machine. Injuries have done what's required.
Oh..and I'm pretty sure Seedorf is once again being forced to play without being fully fit. Which would seem to imply, that he's going to suck again.
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 1 2009, 08:01 AM
Right now our offence is not strong enough to counter our defence's weakness. I don't mean just our forwards, but our whole attacking machine. Injuries have done what's required.
Oh..and I'm pretty sure Seedorf is once again being forced to play without being fully fit. Which would seem to imply, that he's going to suck again.
really? But i thought carlo said he was going with 4-4-2?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 1 2009, 08:05 AM
Probably. Is what he said. But then why include Seedorf in it...
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 09:23 AM
Right now our offence is not strong enough to counter our defence's weakness. I don't mean just our forwards, but our whole attacking machine. Injuries have done what's required.
Oh..and I'm pretty sure Seedorf is once again being forced to play without being fully fit. Which would seem to imply, that he's going to suck again.
I hope he doesn't play if he's not 100%, he's been pushed to start so many games while not being fit. I guess they do it to Seedorf because they know he can handle it. We may call him lazy and most of the time it's justified, but I'm sure him being pushed to play games when he's not ready and having to play practically in all of the games, whether they're Copp, CL/UEFA or Serie A, although one might argue that it's his fault since he acts like a 5 year old when he's benched. This is basically an endless cycle, and Carlo is the one that can put an end to it but he doesn't because he treats Seedorf as his equal instead of someone he's in charge of.
To make a match day decision,,, Although I personally don't trust them to make a correct one, we've seen this happen with countless of our players, like Seedorf and Kaka, and in the end we end up paying for it twice over because they make their injuries worse, case in point, last season against Arsenal
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 1 2009, 10:16 AM
I don't think Seedorf gets pissed any more than a normal top player about being subbed. I don't know when that story started. If we are on about the water bottle incident and teh argument with Carlo, the dialogue from Seedorf went along the lines of, "If you want to do something,why not give us some help from the bench?!!". To which Carlo replied , "You're lucky I have no substitutions, otherwise you'd be off!". 
Tragicomic really!
Anyway this was Carlo's quote from the press conference...
Lacking attacking midfielders, we are forced to use the 4-4-2 formation. In the defensive phase against Cagliari we were good. We must develop the game more in attack.
I'm waiting for the play Cardaccio, play Viudez statements to start and how Carlo is a retard for not doing it. Also since Mattioni is called up, if Zambrotta has a bad match, we can say again it was Mattioni who was a better choice to play
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 10:54 AM
Tragicomic really!Anyway this was Carlo's quote from the press conference...
I'm waiting for the play Cardaccio, play Viudez statements to start and how Carlo is a retard for not doing it. Also since Mattioni is called up, if Zambrotta has a bad match, we can say again it was Mattioni who was a better choice to play
The talk about Seedorf not wanting to be subsitituted came about because people have seen multiple incedents where Seedorf was subbed off and he'd act like a pre-madonna, let's all not forget the incident when he came off the wrong side of the pitch, and other times when he went straight for the changing rooms instead of sitting on the bench with the others. Let's not make Seedorf out to be a saint, as for the altrecation you're describing, Kaka also had words with Carlo that season and personally I think neither him and Seedorf should have done it, the fact that players treat Carlo that way in games where people can see shows that he does not control his players. A player should never treat his coach that way.
And Jack, people including me wanted Viudez to play next to Seedorf in the AM role not alone in the hole behind the strikers, there's a big difference in roles, if he was going to play next to Seedorf then he would have someone with Seedorf's experiance and abilities to play off of where as if we're going to play the 4-3-1-2 I wouldn't want him to play either because it's a big ask to play that position all on your own, not even Seedorf can pull it off at times. It's a totally different ball game
Posted by: Rivaldo Mar 1 2009, 11:19 AM
It seems to me there will be evem more tough game than with Cagliari....((
Posted by: Tennie Mar 1 2009, 02:36 PM
This is a scary starting lineup.
Abbiati; Zambrotta, Senderos, Bonera, Antonini; Beckham, Flamini, Pirlo, Jankulovski; Seedorf, Pato.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 02:39 PM
01/03/2009
GENOVA - Così Sampdoria e Milan in campo alle 15.00 allo stadio Marassi di Genova:
SAMPDORIA: Castellazzi, Raggi, Lucchini, Accardi, Stankevicius, Sammarco, Palombo, Franceschini, Pieri, Pazzini, Cassano.
MILAN: Abbiati, Zambrotta, Bonera, Senderos, Antonini, Beckham, Pirlo, Flamini, Jankulovski, Seedorf, Pato.
So let me get this one straight.
Carlo chooses to risk it with a half fit Seedorf instead of playing one of Pippo or Sheva...
Carlo cannot be happy unless he only has 1 striker in the teamAnd we're going with the 4-4-1-1 which is even worse then the usual 4-4-2. Seedorf is not that type of player, we nearly lost against Cagliari last week with this one, so I can;t see how it will work against Sampdoria....
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 02:45 PM
Agreed.
Sometimes I just don't understand Carlo's decisions, no matter which way I look at them.
We might have won on a fluke against Cagliari last week while using this ridiculous line-up but I don't see us getting lucky twice over.
One of those midfielders should be replaced with either Pippo or Sheva, simple as that
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 02:50 PM
so yesterday he had to make a decsion to who to play upfront pippo or sheva and he decides no one will wow
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 1 2009, 02:58 PM
I'd wait a few minutes to see the real line-up..
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 02:59 PM
it is from acmilan.com
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:00 PM
Just kick off
Posted by: Tennie Mar 1 2009, 03:00 PM
Pirlo with th earmband today.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:00 PM
gmae has started
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:01 PM
senderos with an early foul but nothing happend on FK
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:03 PM
Again letting them cross way too easily. When are we ever going to learn?
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:03 PM
btw, Pirlo the Captain today
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:05 PM
Oh and again Zambro on the left while Antonini is one the right
That reduces our crossing effectiveness by 50%. Nice one Carlo, you're a genius
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:07 PM
some thing strange happening
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:07 PM
What the hell is going on?
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 03:08 PM
Ridiculous! Flamini and then Seedorf should have stopped the play.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:08 PM
Well that was strange, but the ref clearly indicated for play to continue, so I don't understand why the Samp players are complaining
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:09 PM
pato is dropping deep so we are playing some sort of 4-6-0
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:10 PM
Yeah, but you can see Flamini looking at the ref before playing on. I don't think the Samp players have anything to complain about since it was the ref's decision
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:10 PM
yellow for samp player
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:11 PM
I think we all knew that was going to happen, sadly for us our coach was the only one in the dark
btw, Pato just blatantly held back, yellow to the Samp player
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:12 PM
Anotoni clearly uncomfortable playing on the left, why does Carlo keep insisting on switching him and Zambro on their weaker side. He must think it makes him looks smart
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:13 PM
we needed to start with 2 stikers bcoz pato wont have any support upfront
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:16 PM
We're going to conceed real quick at this rate.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:16 PM
they are playing very fluent football FK to them
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:17 PM
top save on the FK
Posted by: daj0 Mar 1 2009, 03:17 PM
OH my god... Seedorf looses the ball easily.. foul by bonera, and a good stop by abbiati.... com on Seedorf.. some speed is needed =)
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 03:18 PM
It does not matter, they stopped playing so we should have stopped too. It was for one of our players anyway, it's not like they tried to take advantage...
Seedorf again walking around losing the ball.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:18 PM
Seedorf losing the ball and falling all over the place
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:19 PM
seedorf is playing in DM rather than AM it seems 4-1-4-1
Posted by: Tennie Mar 1 2009, 03:21 PM
btw, goal Reggina (v. Fiorentina).
And Mark Bresciano was given a straight red for a foul on Morimoto (the sicily derby. Catania are 1 up).
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:23 PM
we defintly needed another stiker upfront
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:24 PM
Pato totally isolated
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 03:25 PM
Pato desperately remote, trying to score with a backheel as there's no one in or around the area...
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:25 PM
they have 3 CB and 2 wingbacks i dont think pato got any chance on these croses
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:27 PM
yea he will just be shooting now milan are out of options it seems
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:29 PM
All we're doing is passing backwards and sidways, the ball finally reaches Pato after 10 minutes of this, then Pato shoots from whereever he is
Flamini with a good shot there, just wide. If we're going to win this, this is what we're going to have to do, shoot from where ever we can
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:30 PM
The commentater has just mensioned Dinoh, do we know what is wrong with him. He hasn't made the bench but I don't recall anyone saying that he's injured...
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:30 PM
antonini had been a disaster at RB
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:32 PM
he wasnt even called up for the game
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:32 PM
drama again
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:32 PM
Antonini, why is he on the right!!????
He's so uncomfortable playing their it's rediculous, yet Carlo plays him there even when Zambro is on the pitch!!! Thiss man is unbelievable.
What needs to happed at half time is Antonini and Zambro siwtching sides and one of the midfielders coming off
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:33 PM
Oh and Cassano scores, lovely
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:33 PM
it was a goal
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:34 PM
Definately a goal, and in my strange mind I'm happy about this.
Pile on the misery for Carlo he deserves it with the sh!t line-up he put in
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 03:34 PM
That's cause he's left-footed... and wait a minute, isn't Zambrotta, who's fielded at LB, right-footed? I just don't get it!
Sampdoria goal. Cassano. It looked to me like the ball did cross the line. We're never going to score 2 goals in this one... come on guys wake up!!!
Posted by: daj0 Mar 1 2009, 03:35 PM
I think it was in too... well there we go...
C'om on Milan!!!!!
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 03:36 PM
Seedorf with a volley... the ball just landed on my balcony.
Yellow for Pirlo.
Posted by: Tennie Mar 1 2009, 03:37 PM
Fiorentina have equalized v. Reggina.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:37 PM
janku should have started in LB and 2 stikers upfront now our players have no clue fouling and complaining only
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:37 PM
Sampdoria goal. Cassano. It looked to me like the ball did cross the line. We're never going to score 2 goals in this one... come on guys wake up!!!
Exactly
And don't worry, Carlo will sub in the strikers with 10 minutes to go
Just as I'm saying this Seedorf punts the ball out of the stadium, that was horrible, shame inducing, take Seedorf off, he's clearly not fit for this game
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:38 PM
Yellow for Pirlo.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:39 PM
And don't worry, Carlo will sub in the strikers with 10 minutes to go
Just as I'm saying this Seedorf punts the ball out of the stadium, that was horrible, shame inducing, take Seedorf off, he's clearly not fit for this game
he is not fit for most of the game
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:40 PM
pato cant do anything on croses
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:40 PM
Senderos yellow, he's been going into tackles like Ambrosini today
Nearly our entire team is on yellows now
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 03:41 PM
How do you know, that's how he always plays...
What an awful tackle by Senderos, Materazzi is not half as stupid as this guy!
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 03:42 PM
Ah sweet through ball by Pirlo, Janku can't control it. The Czech is bad too.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:42 PM
Horrible, horrible, horrible
Expect no changes at half time
Galliani looking on with a joyful frown on his face
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:43 PM
Gallaini face shown on screen he was angry
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:44 PM
What an awful tackle by Senderos, Materazzi is not half as stupid as this guy!
He's being pushed off the ball easily, if Seedorf is anything, he deifately not a lightweight.
The lazy passes and runs are just usual Seedorf but not this
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:45 PM
A little more effort from our boys and Carlo's quick thinking and we'll be 2-0 down
Posted by: daj0 Mar 1 2009, 03:46 PM
The dissapointing thing for me is not that we are loosing.. but the way we are loosing.. i mean there has not been 1 good chance in 45 min... flaminis shot may be.. but thats it!!
What can a small pato do vs 3-4 big defenders.. i dont understand the tactics what so ever!! What is going on with this team?
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:46 PM
HT 1-0 samp we are playing for foul commited and yellow cards
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:46 PM
Finally half time, the ref puts a break to our misery
Posted by: Tennie Mar 1 2009, 03:47 PM
One halftime score of note: Palermo 0 - 3 Catania. The Men In Pink are getting thrashed on their own pitch.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 03:48 PM
the only thing i can think of now is that sub antonini and seedorf bring sheva and pippo play pato behind the 2 stikers in 4-3-1-2 formation janku to move at fullback position
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 1 2009, 03:49 PM
Not good looking here. Should have started with 2 strikers. Also, defense, defense...
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 03:50 PM
Please do something! Please... we can't go on until the 80th minute like this. We're horrible. Just act now, try to change. I don't care if it'll work or not at least I'd know we've tried!
For one... our LB has to play at LB and our RB at RB... not that I know anything about football but that's how it's usually done, isn't it?
Then Seedorf and/or Beckham and/or Jankulovski have to be taken off, they're "not there"...
Come on Carlo do SOMETHING!
Posted by: Portikins Mar 1 2009, 03:50 PM
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 03:52 PM
What can a small pato do vs 3-4 big defenders.. i dont understand the tactics what so ever!! What is going on with this team?
Shh... This is all just Calo's master plan. He's a genius I tell you.
I mean what did you all really expect with that line-up, be gratefull we're not further behind. There is now way we're going to score with this line-up and formation, Pato is totally isolated, Zamro and Antonini are doing **** all except for losing out on their wings because they're on their weaker sides, Seedorf is doing nothing but falling over, etc
I mean it might have been ok to have Zambro and Antonini play on their weaker sides in the UEFA Cup against Harenaveen, but against good Serie A sides???? Come on Carlo, even a 10 year old wouldn't be that stupid.
This loss is down to carlo, but watch him make his usual post-match comments, this time its going to be the injuries, the weather and fitness. Nest time he'll be more creative and blame it on the stars not aligning perfectly
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 03:55 PM
I've come to detest his face!
I GET IT!! Carlo wants to go but he won't resign cause he wants the money... HE'S TRYING TO GET HIMSELF FIRED! I'm sure that's what it is!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 1 2009, 03:57 PM
Gee Porty is here! Must be Milan's good day,..
Posted by: Portikins Mar 1 2009, 03:58 PM
I GET IT!! Carlo wants to go but he won't resign cause he wants the money... HE'S TRYING TO GET HIMSELF FIRED! I'm sure that's what it is!
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:00 PM
Nice one
Good to see you back btw
We need some sunshine in our lives
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 04:02 PM
pippo is on
Posted by: vahid Mar 1 2009, 04:03 PM
And who is out?
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:04 PM
Well Pippo for Antonini, that's a start...
Posted by: Locke Lamora Mar 1 2009, 04:08 PM
So you're playing with a 3-man defence?
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 04:08 PM
janku went to defence
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 04:09 PM
2-0 amazing stuff
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 04:09 PM
wow after 45 minutes Carletto fields the right line-up!
Great goal by Pazzini. 
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:09 PM
2-0
Great goal
And we're cr@p
@ locke, no Janku moved back into defence from midfield
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 04:09 PM
i am going for tea now
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:11 PM
Cassano literally tearing us a new one
Loving Galliani's face
Posted by: Locke Lamora Mar 1 2009, 04:11 PM
Ok, thanks.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:13 PM
Favalli for Janku
Nice move Carlo to protect our lead... Oh wait, I forgot, we're losing by 2 goals
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:15 PM
So since we're losing today, how will the table look by the end of the day if Fiorentina win?
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 04:15 PM
We have to go two down to even try to play some football!
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:16 PM
Does Pirlo want to get sent off??
Well I don't blame him really...
Btw, asking again, anybody know the reason why Dinho has been ommitted from the side for the past 2 weeks?
Posted by: vahid Mar 1 2009, 04:17 PM
We'll have our third place because of better overall goals.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:18 PM
Pippo has a chance but squanders it with a weak shot straight at the keeper
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:19 PM
Pippo tries to dribble past players Now that's funny.
Btw, nearly conceeded again, Cassano is playing with Senderos
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 04:19 PM
Pippo inside the area decides to dribble his opponent... for the first time in his career!
On the other end Senderos makes Cassano look like a Concorde!
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Mar 1 2009, 04:21 PM
Yet again it seems the tactical mastermind tried to play the christmas tree even though everyone knows it doesn't work. And Galliani is blaming the players for the slump...
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:23 PM
No no, it get's even better then the xmas tree, its a 4-4-1-1 with Seedorf playing as the supporting striker, now if that's not genius I don't know what is
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:23 PM
I think Seedorf has some sort of agenda with one of the cars in the parking lot outside the staduim
Posted by: Tennie Mar 1 2009, 04:24 PM
There's been no official reason given for Ronaldinho's absence so far as I know.
btw, Palermo 0 - 4 Catania. The elefanti are slaughtering 'em.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:25 PM
Favalli... Brutal
Posted by: Tennie Mar 1 2009, 04:26 PM
This is beyond embarrassing. Now Emerson in for...Beckham, I think.
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 04:26 PM
Favalli booked for yet another terrible tackle on Pazzini. And we complain about Pato...
Becks out, he's been bad. And look it's... an ogre? No it's Emerson!! YEAH!
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:27 PM
If he's missing because of some sort of problem Carlo has with him then this is getting beyond the beyond. He's risking our CL spot for next season because he's stubborn this guy is unbelievable
And now Emerson for Beckham!!!! With these subs you'de think we're the team that's winning not Samp.
I'm more then fead up, Carlo needs to be let go effective immediately, we shouldn't even wait till the summer
Posted by: Tennie Mar 1 2009, 04:29 PM
The very unofficial and nasty gossip re Ronaldinho (for what it's worth and I don't really believe it) is that he's not playing because of a drug problem. It's not been reported in anything approaching the respectable Italian press but the rumor's out there.
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 04:30 PM
What's with the Ronalinho talk? Ancelotti said yesterday that "Kaka and Ronaldinho are still unavailable, and Ambrosini just joined them. We hope to recover Kaka and Ronaldinho for next Sunday."
Posted by: LaPalma Mar 1 2009, 04:30 PM
btw, Palermo 0 - 4 Catania. The elefanti are slaughtering 'em.
Maybe there he was on one or two parties too much?
Only question: Why is Ronaldinho not available?
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 04:33 PM
Because he picked up an injury. Why does it have to be something else? I don't get where all this is coming from.
Posted by: LaPalma Mar 1 2009, 04:34 PM
I never liked him and look for a reason to denounce him.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:35 PM
Well I don't see that as a valid reason seeing as I don't think our club officials would tolerate such things, atleast I'd hope not....
Because there has been no report of an injury, he suddenly became unavailable over the weekend with no reason as to why
Exactly
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 04:36 PM
Flamini with a terrible tackle! That could have been a red!
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:38 PM
Goal
Pato
Happy for him, our only bright spot in a cloud of darkness
Posted by: RED&BLACK Milan Mar 1 2009, 04:38 PM
Pato !!
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 04:38 PM
Lovely header by Pato. 2-1! The only player out there justifying his presence on the field.
Come on we can take a point!!
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:39 PM
Nice assist from Favalli
If he's got one thing going for him is that he can actually cross a ball, unlike Janku who fires blanks
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 04:39 PM
Lovely header by Pato. 2-1! The only player out there justifying his presence on the field.
Come on we can take a point!! edit: steal a point.
Posted by: RED&BLACK Milan Mar 1 2009, 04:39 PM
emesron....flagged
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:40 PM
Goal rule out
Emerson with it
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 04:40 PM
Emerson's goal disallowed for offside. Jack would label Carletto a magician had it counted...
Posted by: Tennie Mar 1 2009, 04:42 PM
(for Locke) Goal Chievo. They lead Atalanta.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:42 PM
I though it counted for a minute and my first thought was lucky, lucky Carlo
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:43 PM
The only question is, why do we play only after we're down by the odd goal or 2, it's rediculous, I always thought this was a team of professionals
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Mar 1 2009, 04:43 PM
So we're playing our slowest player behind our fastest player!?!? Genius
With any luck carlo will be gone tonight
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:45 PM
With any luck carlo will be gone tonight
That's my only true wish in life atm
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:48 PM
5 minutes added on
Unbelievable
Carlo is one lucky sob
Posted by: Tennie Mar 1 2009, 04:51 PM
Make that 2 for Chievo - they converted a penalty too.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:51 PM
Big miss by Pippo had a good chance bu it was an awful touch
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:52 PM
1 minutes to salvage our blushes
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 04:52 PM
Foul on a good position. LET PATO TAKE IT!
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 04:53 PM
Oh my what did Pirlo do there?
Posted by: Tennie Mar 1 2009, 04:53 PM
They did and it hit the wall.
FT Samp 2 - 1 Milan.
Shameful display.
Posted by: I_Rossoneri Mar 1 2009, 04:53 PM
Unbelievable
Carlo is one lucky sob
carlo is lucky that we are so sentimental/cheap as any other club would have fired him long before now.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 04:54 PM
What a mess with that golden opportunity of a free-kick
Why didn't Pirlo just take it? Intead they passed it around a hundred times and then Pato took a shot that was obviously blocked
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 04:57 PM
2-1 FT.
Number of players worthy of wearing the glorious shirt: 1: Alexandre Pato.
Another awful display that clearly showed our lack of motivation. Our players did little today but our coach is the bigger underperformer of the season!
Posted by: MizNelson Mar 1 2009, 04:59 PM
FT Samp 2 - 1 Milan.
Shameful display.
And now fourteen points in the gutter. I guess Signore Galliani's watchtower approach to training sessions has started paying dividends already.
Posted by: Habitant Mar 1 2009, 05:01 PM
thank god i slept
@ result
@ DST do we even have a coach?, last time i checked we had a bump on a log.
and @ pato, the only one on this team having a good season.
Posted by: MizNelson Mar 1 2009, 05:03 PM
Beckham has absolutely tanked ever since Galliani (I think) openly declared that Milan wanted to keep him.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 1 2009, 05:03 PM
Ahh, Pirlo messed it up. This season is becoming very hard to watch. Milan needs an enema.
What should we do?
1.Reshuffle the non-player department. Meaning: fire the team doctor, re-appoint assistaints if needed, sack the coach if a better option is avaible; Rijkaard, Leonardo, Prandelli...not sure. But I am sure if we part with Ancelotti that Milan should hire a coach with more dynamic game-approach. I've only recently re-watched a few old Cesare Augusto tapes and man...he was dynamic. Milan had already scored 2 or 3 goals and he still was near the line giving instructions.
2. Reshuffle the squad selection. Meaning: part with the players that don't fit the gameplay, either Carletto's or a whole new gameplay. Replace with quantity or quality is the big question?
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 05:09 PM
What should we do?
1.Reshuffle the non-player department. Meaning: fire the team doctor, re-appoint assistaints if needed, sack the coach if a better option is avaible; Rijkaard, Leonardo, Prandelli...not sure. But I am sure if we part with Ancelotti that Milan should hire a coach with more dynamic game-approach. I've only recently re-watched a few old Cesare Augusto tapes and man...he was dynamic. Milan had already scored 2 or 3 goals and he still was near the line giving instructions.
2. Reshuffle the squad selection. Meaning: part with the players that don't fit the gameplay, either Carletto's or a whole new gameplay. Replace with quantity or quality is the big question?
Agreed.
And once a new coach arrives Galliani should finally release the death grip he has on this team and let the new coach be the one in charge of who to let go and who to bring in. The transfers not being Carlo's choices is imo, one of the big reasons for being in this mess in the first place. Although that one then goes back to the fact that Carlo let's them walk all over him and should have stood up to them and asked for what he wanted not took whatever he recieved without complaint
Posted by: MizNelson Mar 1 2009, 05:12 PM
I think Carlo's being a yes man to B&G has extended his Milan stint as much as anything. If he were an obnoxious go-getter like Mourinho, he might've been canned after Istanbul.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 1 2009, 05:15 PM
I don't think it's that simple. Many factors lead us to stick with Ancelotti. Some of them still do. We'll see..
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 05:23 PM
Atm I can't see any to tell you the truth, the longer he stays the more damage the new coach will have to undo
Posted by: Rivaldo Mar 1 2009, 05:57 PM
I'm not sure Kaka may absolutely change game of this Milan....but another miserable game without Ricky....
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Mar 1 2009, 06:35 PM
no press confernece or anything yet
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 1 2009, 06:40 PM
I don't think there is a reason we should (now) rush and sack Carletto right this moment. At the end of the season maybe ways will part, but that has to be reconsidered thorowly.
Or maybe now, so we could use the last few fixtures as a Leonardo probation? I'm against it for many reasons, just want to see other opinions as well.
Posted by: whoarethepatriots Mar 1 2009, 07:12 PM
Pato deserved his goal. He does not deserve the team mates around him
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 07:43 PM
Or maybe now, so we could use the last few fixtures as a Leonardo probation? I'm against it for many reasons, just want to see other opinions as well.
I'm also against the idea of changing coaches during the season, but atm, the more Carlo stays the worse it's going to get.
I think giving Leonardo a chance now could be a good idea
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 08:15 PM
Costacurta now, SAF in the summer!
I'm quite sure it's that simple. He would have gone some time ago if it was not for that factor.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 1 2009, 08:16 PM
I'm thinking it's best to get rid of him now.
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 1 2009, 08:16 PM
All i can say is can't wait for kaka to be back next game. Without him, this team cannot do anything.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 1 2009, 08:30 PM
So what? I still don't agree it's just that, but let's say it is. Why should a coach confront Galliani&Berlusconi? Zaccheroni did by breaking up the Boban-Leonardo pairing. What good was it? Berlusconi angry not seeing his 2 favorite players on the pitch, a disaster Milan formation, a clueless coach...and? Two interim coaches...
I don't think it's wise to confornt with the management. Especially now that economy isn't doing well and recession has been used as everyone's excuse for nearly anything. Milan's policy is to keep the books as clean as possible and make little deficit; what good would it bring to have a coach that shouts around "bring me Drogba", when, at the end of the day it's again up to B&G?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 1 2009, 08:34 PM
This is a major problem in it's own. Coaches pick the players and set up the team, THEY should be the ones deciding who comes in - within reason.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 1 2009, 08:36 PM
Another problem is - motivation. We need a base of players motivated enough to fight for Milan especially in the scudetto. That's why I think we need to base our transfer policy on players from Italy (Serie A&B).
Posted by: kurtsimonw Mar 1 2009, 08:38 PM
Agreed.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 09:03 PM
It's not easy as to just blame a particular person and say all of this is their fault. This has been a long time coming. And it's everyone's fault, not just Carlo's not just the management.
Yes balancing the books in important, but maintaining a successful club also means having a competitive squad, wich means spending money on players, that has not been happening at Milan for quite some time, our last really big transfer was Nesta, that should say something. Silverware, aside from prestige means money, if a club continues to be competitive and wins silverware then money won't be a problem that has stopped for us. The CL in 07 was a one off fluke, that many say wasn't deserved since our only good performance in it was against Man U.
The management are also at fault for not letting the coach be the one to make decisions on which players he wants, because at the end of the day he is going to be the one coaching the team not Galliani, and he is the one that is going to be burned if he doesn't manage to make these players (that were bought without his consent) a team
Which then leads us to our current coach, who matter what sh!t B&G throw at him he accepts with a smile on his face. Of course they're going to keep slinging cr@p at you if you don't demand things. The fact that our coach can't even control his players anymore, doesn't even know how to motivate them is another huge issue. Which then leads us to his tactics, imo, a couple of years back at Milan he was one of the brightest coaches around, but now, he's reverted back to the Carlo that was known as the 'Almost Man' at Juventus. The stubburn nature when it comes to making tactical decisions and subbing players. Even the timing of substitutions....
As for players, some have reached the end of the line with Milan, some have been on that line for nearly 3 years now, yet we keep them for sentimental reasons or to stay away from the transfer market, while we are keeping these players paying their high wages and the club gets nothing in return on the field. Come this summer I want to see all of these players removed from the squad, to me this is the only thing that I can see signaling change if this does not happen it would be pretty clear that Galliani and co are happy to sit on their @sses resting on their laurels while doing nothing top help the club recover from the mess they made themselves
What I hope to see come next season is, a change of coach, older players, ones that are only there to warm the treatment room tables or the bench while collecting their paychecks to be let go, at least 5 new players being brought in, starting from the goal keeping position to the attack. And 5 players is putting it midly. A total overhaul in the club's medical and fitness coaches, because the injuries have gotten to a point where it's just ridiculous.
And if Berlusconi has no interest in the club any longer I think it would be high time that he let go of the club. I think it's pretty clear that he does not want to invest anymore money into the club, atleast not now that he has gotten what he wanted out of it. And these days no club is able to run on just it's own revenue, at least not a top flight club that has to be competitive on all fronts.
Posted by: Tennie Mar 1 2009, 09:06 PM
Very nice post, han. +1 cookie to you (and yes, one for each of the penguins too).
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 1 2009, 09:07 PM
Anyway, I'd rather we appoint Baresi or someone related to the young squad then Leonardo. Someone who knows the youth department very well.
Posted by: Tennie Mar 1 2009, 09:08 PM
There's always Galli then (he coached the primavera last year).
Posted by: MizNelson Mar 1 2009, 09:13 PM
I just can't see Leonardo coaching this club, even on an interim basis, and it's not just because of his lack of coaching experience.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 09:14 PM
The penguins say thankyou, and thanks for the cookie I thought I put my thoughts out there well without sounding harsh or biased on any of those thing, even if my mind is raging at me like a lunatic to just vent
Personally I'm not convinced by any of the 3 names, because neither of them have had any real experiance with coaching a top flight club. I don't know, we have a big problem atm, one that I'm sure will be adress until the summer, if that...
I personally don't think any action will be taken.
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 1 2009, 09:16 PM
Yes balancing the books in important, but maintaining a successful club also means having a competitive squad, wich means spending money on players, that has not been happening at Milan for quite some time, our last really big transfer was Nesta, that should say something. Silverware, aside from prestige means money, if a club continues to be competitive and wins silverware then money won't be a problem that has stopped for us. The CL in 07 was a one off fluke, that many say wasn't deserved since our only good performance in it was against Man U.
The management are also at fault for not letting the coach be the one to make decisions on which players he wants, because at the end of the day he is going to be the one coaching the team not Galliani, and he is the one that is going to be burned if he doesn't manage to make these players (that were bought without his consent) a team
Which then leads us to our current coach, who matter what sh!t B&G throw at him he accepts with a smile on his face. Of course they're going to keep slinging cr@p at you if you don't demand things. The fact that our coach can't even control his players anymore, doesn't even know how to motivate them is another huge issue. Which then leads us to his tactics, imo, a couple of years back at Milan he was one of the brightest coaches around, but now, he's reverted back to the Carlo that was known as the 'Almost Man' at Juventus. The stubburn nature when it comes to making tactical decisions and subbing players. Even the timing of substitutions....
As for players, some have reached the end of the line with Milan, some have been on that line for nearly 3 years now, yet we keep them for sentimental reasons or to stay away from the transfer market, while we are keeping these players paying their high wages and the club gets nothing in return on the field. Come this summer I want to see all of these players removed from the squad, to me this is the only thing that I can see signaling change if this does not happen it would be pretty clear that Galliani and co are happy to sit on their @sses resting on their laurels while doing nothing top help the club recover from the mess they made themselves
What I hope to see come next season is, a change of coach, older players, ones that are only there to warm the treatment room tables or the bench while collecting their paychecks to be let go, at least 5 new players being brought in, starting from the goal keeping position to the attack. And 5 players is putting it midly. A total overhaul in the club's medical and fitness coaches, because the injuries have gotten to a point where it's just ridiculous.
And if Berlusconi has no interest in the club any longer I think it would be high time that he let go of the club. I think it's pretty clear that he does not want to invest anymore money into the club, atleast not now that he has gotten what he wanted out of it. And these days no club is able to run on just it's own revenue, at least not a top flight club that has to be competitive on all fronts.
perfect post.
But will it happen, i doubt it. This is what i'm thinking will happen realistically.
If we dont make CL carlo is gone. If we make CL we will give him his last season.
We will buy 2 players.
The first one will be a defender. The second one will be a foreward.
Players who will go out of our squad: beckham, gourcuff, borriello, senderos.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 09:19 PM
But will it happen, i doubt it. This is what i'm thinking will happen realistically.
If we dont make CL carlo is gone. If we make CL we will give him his last season.
We will buy 2 players.
The first one will be a defender. The second one will be a foreward.
Players who will go out of our squad: beckham, gourcuff, borriello, senderos.
Agreed on that part, what we'd all like to see and what will actually happen are 2 completely different things
Your comment regarding CL for next season is the one that hits the most since it's what I'm 99.9% sure will happen
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 1 2009, 09:23 PM
I personally don't think any action will be taken.
Well who is?
I think the only benefit a interim coach can bring is to push some neglected players in the line-up. Since Milan does not have many neglected players this season, the chance could be given to youngsters.
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 1 2009, 09:26 PM
I think the only benefit a interim coach can bring is to push some neglected players in the line-up. Since Milan does not have many neglected players this season, the chance could be given to youngsters.
WOW! Never though of baresi. Yeah hes a good candidate.
So we have:
leonardo
riijkaard
baresi
tassotti
van basten
scolari
donadoni
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 09:32 PM
So we have:
leonardo
riijkaard
baresi
tassotti
van basten
scolari
donadoni
Out of those names you mentioned I would only trust Rijkaard
Should we wait until the summer I think it would be good to wait for Spalletti or Prandelli, I think both are great coaches, and they're Italian
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 09:34 PM
You can't say that we need Italians because they'd be motivated. That is in my eyes as silly as saying we need Brazilians because they have good technique. These things are too vague to be taken seriously. Surely an Italian might understand and feel more about Milan and Italian football but that's not necessary, especially since globalization is also inside football now. Also, Pato has been by far our best player this season and last time I checked he's not Italian...
Buying young, NOT 30+ year olds who have won anything there is to be won and having a coach that can actually motivate the more successful players in the squad (there need to be such players in the team) is the answer to our problems.
Ancelotti is in my opinion terrible in handling the players. It does not seem to me like he has a clue. A coach can't be a friend just like a father cannot be a friend... that's two fundamentally different things!
My choice for next coach would be Prandelli. If not then Donadoni. I want no other.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 1 2009, 09:35 PM
Prandelli's ex-Juventino,...not sure. And...Imagine a Milan coach wearing red leather? I don't trust any of them, but Baresi or Galli suit best IMO.
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 09:39 PM
Ha-ha!
I'm sure he would not wear that!! Also because they'd kill him in Milano... yeah he is a former Juve player, tell that to the Viola fans!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 1 2009, 09:43 PM
Yes, globalization is in. I don't think it's positive. It has his good and bad sides. But I wouldn't say it silly. You know, there was a time Milan players were fired-up against Napoli, Lecce or Sampdoria because of traditional rival-relations or players background. Yes, Pato has been our best player this season, but that just says he's an exemptional player. I don't think we should release all foreign players you know...
I just say that for all the Mattioli's, Digao's, Emerson's or Thiago Silva's there is one Marco Motta, one Santacroce, one Giuseppe Rossi or a XY player. And I think does players, in addition to the amount of stars we have, make the differences in Lecce matches.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 09:44 PM
Carlo is a Romanista, he's said it many times, that does not mean it took away from him doing his best at Milan...
Prandelli is imo the brightest up and coming Italian coach, he's a great tactition, great at handling his players, and also great with young players who need guidence. I personally think he would be our best choice. And I don't care if he wears a chinchilla coat for match days, as long as he's winning it does not matter in the slightest what he wears. Plus he would be in Milan, I think the fashion spirit would save him from the red leather jackets
As for Baresi and Galli, I don't think either would be good deicions, experiance in coaching the primavera and Milan are 2 completely different things, and even if it's an interim role, I would want someone with a little more experiance then that, even Maldini senior would be a better choice
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 1 2009, 09:50 PM
Prandelli is imo the brightest up and coming Italian coach, he's a great tactition, great at handling his players, and also great with young players who need guidence. I personally think he would be our best choice. And I don't care if he wears a chinchilla coat for match days, as long as he's winning it does not matter in the slightest what he wears. Plus he would be in Milan, I think the fashion spirit would save him from the red leather jackets
As for Baresi and Galli, I don't think either would be good deicions, experiance in coaching the primavera and Milan are 2 completely different things, and even if it's an interim role, I would want someone with a little more experiance then that, even Maldini senior would be a better choice
What do you mean even? Even? Even? Didn't I tell you I like coaches! Don't you know that? Just like dst has his God thing...
Don't ever say "even" Cesare Augusto would be better! Naturally he'd be better! He's a very very good coach. Not many have such a passion at such late stages.
And well, Carlo is Romanista and Milanista. He did play for us. But yes, the Roma flirt's did made me a bit angry.
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 09:56 PM
Don't ever say "even" Cesare Augusto would be better! Naturally he'd be better! He's a very very good coach. Not many have such a passion at such late stages.
I mean even Maldini would be a better choice because he's coached the team before. Baresi and Galli only have Primavera experiance.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 1 2009, 09:57 PM
I mean even Maldini would be a better choice because he's coached the team before. Baresi and Galli only have Primavera experiance.
Not "even" but "of course"...
Posted by: han2503 Mar 1 2009, 10:03 PM
Your even! Even! Even thing came off scary
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 1 2009, 10:08 PM
riijkaard is a la liga and champions league winner. I think hes best suited for the job.
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 1 2009, 10:15 PM
It seems riijkaard has declared that Milan has been in contact with him. He also said clubs in spain have been in contact with him aswell. When and who? He doesn't say.
source: milannews
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 1 2009, 10:17 PM
I dont knwo carlo I think if juve are called teh old lady; were called the old man.
Posted by: Tennie Mar 1 2009, 10:19 PM
Yikes. Is that google translation? it's all but impossible to understand.
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 1 2009, 10:21 PM
Cosi 'il premier Silvio Berlusconi said the defeat of Milan, who lost 2-1 to Sampdoria in the league. "Unfortunately''- said the chairman of the board from Brussels - we have a team in first aid. And when you can not play like champions Kaka 'everything becomes more' difficult. However we are not in a crisis"
And you wanted to sell him, shame on you!
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 1 2009, 10:21 PM
yeah sorry can't speak italian yet. Give me a few years.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Mar 1 2009, 10:23 PM
source: milannews
Atletico Madrid.
We all know the truth. He did not WANT to sell him.
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 1 2009, 10:24 PM
We all know the truth. He did not WANT to sell him.
whats the truth?
Posted by: dst Mar 1 2009, 10:28 PM
It's our own fault that we are so dependent on Kaka... the team should have been taught how to play without him it's not like that the rest of them are useless... Milan is supposed to be a team of championS!
Posted by: MizNelson Mar 2 2009, 12:15 AM
The truth was he posted the phony 100m Man City bid on Mediaset, so he could be the one to later publicly snuff it out and thus look like a hero, despite keeping the fans on tenterhooks for six days. City actually bid half that amount, and Berlu took the story and twisted it like a Red Vine.
It was less about Berlu selling Kaka and more about seizing a political opportunity.
Posted by: Il Capitano Mar 2 2009, 04:07 AM
Baresi failed to do anything good with the primavera, Why would he do a better job with the seniors?
My favorites candidates are Rijkaard and Leonardo. Rijkaard has good merits and I know he won't neglect the young players. If they are good enough they will get their chance and maybe Ten Cate will join him as Assistant Manager . Leonardo is an interesting name and I would definitely like to see him as a coach for Milan.
I would not like too see Donadoni coach Milan, Maybe in 10 years.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 2 2009, 04:14 AM
I would love rijkaard, but that would mean us needing to sell dinho lol
FORZA DIEGO
Posted by: Tennie Mar 2 2009, 04:18 AM
Leonardo has never coached. Why do people think he's a good candidate?
Posted by: MizNelson Mar 2 2009, 06:15 AM
That's what I'd like to know. Why has his name even come up in the topic at all?
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 2 2009, 07:01 AM
Hes an option. We'll never know until we try. Right now I think anyone from that list can do better than carlo.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 2 2009, 07:19 AM
we need somene who's reputation can make galliani put his ego to he side and sign "system" players for the new coach. We can't have a manager signing icons and selling the coach to play them...
i hope Rijkaard is the anwser
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 2 2009, 07:21 AM
i hope Rijkaard is the anwser
me too man, me too...
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 2 2009, 07:24 AM
for what it's worth can i ask you how someone in regina follows milan? it mustn't be too easy lol
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 2 2009, 07:28 AM
we actually have huge soccer following. All are pretty much english/spain/german followers. Theres very few serie A followers. Most label it as a anti-football or parking the bus for 90 min
But i get it non stop from them. Wearing milan clothing when i'm at soccer games or coaching or with fellow peers is just asking to be laughed at.
But I love this club so it doesn't bother me.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 2 2009, 07:33 AM
Lol my friend has always said Serie A is for people who love and understand the game.
La liga is for pigeons hat like counting up to 5 haha
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 2 2009, 07:39 AM
La liga is for pigeons hat like counting up to 5 haha
You live in montreal, so its understandable. Montreal does have a huge italian base. Go to toronto and you will find different.
Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Mar 2 2009, 07:51 AM
toronto= little-india:)
it is the worst city in the world!!!!! FORZA MONTREAL
Posted by: Zed.D Mar 2 2009, 04:16 PM
Pato
Happy for him, our only bright spot in a cloud of darkness
That one's going right into my sig! (with a little variation so I'm not accused of.. some things). seriously, is there any other positives to take from this season?? I can't think of any... maybe Abbiati's good form... but that's it.
Amazing how the team's shitty situation is not affecting his goalscoring instinct.
Posted by: Habitant Mar 2 2009, 04:42 PM
it is the worst city in the world!!!!! FORZA MONTREAL
toronto has a lot of italians too thoughbtw did you see the san jose game? i went to school with marc-edouard vlasic, you saw the missed open net early in the first?
Posted by: Bluesummers Mar 2 2009, 06:49 PM
it is the worst city in the world!!!!! FORZA MONTREAL
all english league fans there my friend. Italian supporters get beaked like no other.
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