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Posted by: Warchant Jun 2 2009, 03:35 PM

AC Milan star Kaka has insisted he does not want to leave the San Siro, as reports suggest he is set to follow Carlo Ancelotti to Chelsea.

Speculation has suggested that informal talks over a £70million deal have already started as the Blues look to tempt the Brazilian to the Premier League, while returning Real Madrid president Florentino Perez is also a long-term admirer.

Ancelotti's appointment as manager at Stamford Bridge was confirmed on Monday and the Italian is set to begin a three-year contract at the beginning of July with the aim of securing the UEFA Champions League.

It is rumoured that Kaka is top of the 49-year-old's wanted list as he plans tweaks to his inherited, ageing squad, with Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich understood to be prepared to spend big this summer.

But Kaka, who broke into the Milan side under former boss Ancelotti, insists he is staying in Italy, telling Gazzetta dello Sport: "I say it for the last time. I don't want to leave Milan."

The playmaker appeared to be on the verge of a world-record switch to Manchester City in the winter transfer window before the deal collapsed as Milan opted out of selling.

Kaka's potential move to Eastlands was shrouded in controversy as it was suggested the player was being forced out of Italy against his wishes.

The 27-year-old has now stated that he will make no further comment about his future so that there is no confusion over his desire to stay at Milan.

"In this period I prefer to remain silent because I don't want to be misunderstood," he added. "To the millions of Milan supporters, I say that I have made my choice. I want to stay."

Kaka admits that he is in a debt of gratitude to Ancelotti after he was offered the opportunity to shine.

"I owe him a lot. He opened the doors for me in Italian football," he concluded.

Posted by: Warchant Jun 2 2009, 03:36 PM

at some point this has got to stop.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 2 2009, 03:53 PM

Only when he leaves this will stop, unfortunately.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 2 2009, 03:56 PM

Nah. It'll continue. It'll then become 'Kaka wants to return to Milan' or 'Kaka wants MU' or......

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 2 2009, 04:09 PM

Agreed.

As much as I like him, he better not think about returning once he left Milan.

QUOTE

PAOLO MALDINI: 'I think that Kaka will remain at Milan'

6/2/2009

MILAN - These are the declarations of Paolo Maldini, present today in Florence for a football tournament, where he received an award for his career and where his 13-year-old son Christian played and won the final against Fiorentina: "It's not easy to know what Kaka will do. I think that he will remain at Milan, but if Ancelotti was cryptic about his future, Kaka is even more."(ANSA)

Posted by: Tennie Jun 2 2009, 04:20 PM

For what it's worth - which may not be much - the Spanish press is reporting that Galliani and Kaka's father have flown to Madrid today for talks with Florentino Perez.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 2 2009, 05:03 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 2 2009, 07:50 PM)

For what it's worth - which may not be much - the Spanish press is reporting that Galliani and Kaka's father have flown to Madrid today for talks with Florentino Perez.

Does 'the Spanish press' mean AS or Marca?

Posted by: Tennie Jun 2 2009, 05:05 PM

Yup. AS.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 2 2009, 05:37 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 2 2009, 05:05 PM)

Yup.

AS.

Glad to see you back Tennie

Posted by: Tennie Jun 2 2009, 06:13 PM

Fishdoll says hihihihi to the penguins and hopes they've been keeping everyone in line!

Also to follow up on the 'summit meeting' story, Galliani was contacted by Gazzetta --- he's at the beach in Romania so...well, not even a good lie this time by AS.

Posted by: Minami Jun 2 2009, 07:11 PM

the newspapers should really stop to write such stuff....I'm really getting nervous although there is most likely no reason for that..

Posted by: Rivaldo Jun 2 2009, 07:28 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 2 2009, 03:20 PM)

For what it's worth - which may not be much - the Spanish press is reporting that Galliani and Kaka's father have flown to Madrid today for talks with Florentino Perez.

Perez offers 50 mln. + Robben + Snejder

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 2 2009, 04:03 PM)

Does 'the Spanish press' mean AS or Marca?

+ Radio Codena Ser

P.S. I hate Galliani.....he is actually in Madrid to congratulate Perez with victory....

Just hate....

What for he lied???

Posted by: Tennie Jun 2 2009, 07:32 PM

Well, there's no real proof he's anywhere near spain at this point. I don't think that what AS reports is at all reliable. Galliani has said to Gazzetta that he's in Romania, but yet again he could also be fibbing. Right now, there's no real need to be upset with anyone. Let's just wait and see what happens in the next couple of days, shall we?

EDIT: Okay, so we know Galliani IS in fact in Madrid, this time from a reliable source:

(from the ticker on acmilan.com's italian page)

QUOTE

PRESIDENZA REAL MADRID: ADRIANO GALLIANI PRIMO INVITATO
02/06/2009
MILANO - L'Amministratore Delegato rossonero, Adriano Galliani, con piacere si trova nella città di Madrid solo ed esclusivamente in quanto primo invitato alla cena per l'investitura di Florentino Perez, nuovo Presidente del Real Madrid.

[Administrative delegate Adriano Galliani with pleasure finds himself in Madrid only and exclusively as the first person invited to dinner for the investiture of Florentino Perez, new president of Real Madrid.]

Not sure if it comes across exactly in translation but the sense I get from the original is that they're trying to make clear that he's ONLY there to have dinner.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 2 2009, 07:46 PM

I can't see any reason why Galliani is with Perez other than discussing the Kaka issue.

As sad as I'm sounding now, 50m+Sneijder+Robben is more than worth it but it's probably BS?

QUOTE

Kaka Spokesman Confirms Real Madrid Offer

Diogo Kotscho has revealed that Real Madrid have tabled a bid...

Spokesman for Milan star Kaka, Diogo Kotscho, has confirmed that Real Madrid have tabled an offer for the Brazilian star.

Speculation has been building up all day about a possible transfer after it was reported that Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani was in Madrid with Kaka’s father-and-agent Bosco Leite.

Kotscho has now revealed that Real Madrid have made a bid for Kaka.

"The offer of Real is significant, but lower than that made by Manchester City, who offered more than €100m," he stated.

“However, there is no agreement yet.”

Meanwhile, it has also been confirmed by Ansa that Galliani is indeed in Madrid as a guest of Real Madrid president Florentino Perez at his election party.

The size of Madrid’s offer is a source of speculation, but Tuttosport are claiming that the Blancos have offered around €50m, plus Arjen Robben and Wesley Sneijder.

Posted by: dst Jun 2 2009, 07:48 PM

I can't see why Galliani should not be there or that he can't be for any other reason. Everything's pretty normal in my opinion. Guys, relax! if they wanna make a transfer they can do it before we learn a thing about it, Galliani being there means nothing at all.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 2 2009, 07:49 PM

Kotschko is not reliable, guys. he was behind the real rumors last year and the year before that.

Fishdoll's calling BS on this for now, unless something from a believable source turns up.

Posted by: HasanHasanly Jun 2 2009, 07:54 PM

I am sick of this. Let him go bring in 50m + Robben + Sneijder.

If he wants to stay so much why does he not come out and say: "I WILL NEVER MOVE TO REAL MADRID, AND AM ASKING THEM TO STOP THEIR OFFERS". As soon as both the club and Kaka confirm their stance on this, all these talks will end.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 2 2009, 07:57 PM

QUOTE (HasanHasanly @ Jun 2 2009, 10:24 PM)

If he wants to stay so much why does he not come out and say: "I WILL NEVER MOVE TO REAL MADRID, AND AM ASKING THEM TO STOP THEIR OFFERS". As soon as both the club and Kaka confirm their stance on this, all these talks will end.

He's said that about 200 times!

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 2 2009, 08:04 PM

QUOTE

Breaking News: Difficult To Resist Kaka Offer - Silvio Berlusconi
--
20:38 BERLUSCONI: "DIFFICILE TRATTENERLO"
"Non so se potremo trattenere al Milan Kakà perché gli offrono talmente tanti soldi...". Silvio Berlusconi, da Prato, torna sulla possibile vendita dell'asso brasiliano al Real Madrid con un suo sostenitore, che al margine di un comizio elettorale gli chiede del futuro dell'attaccante milanista. D'altronde, ha aggiunto Berlusconi, non si può trattenere qualcuno contro la sua volontà. Nel ragionamento con il sostenitore, Berlusconi ha fatto capire che il Milan non intende rilanciare ad una simile offerta. Poi, con i cronisti è stato più cauto: ''Kakà? Non so, non ho ancora parlato di nulla nè con Leonardo nè con Galliani".

Here we go again...

I think we will sell Kaka this summer.

Posted by: GonzZo Jun 2 2009, 08:04 PM

Idd, he says that just about everyday...

But 50M + Robben and Sneijder, sure does sound tempting, although I still hope it isn't true. Robben is a potential Balon d'Or winner, but he's more injured than Nesta, well almost. I guess if this was to happen, Leonardo would play a 4-3-3 for sure.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 2 2009, 08:08 PM

Think maybe there's a mistranslation somewhere -- or you guys are getting different sources. what i've seen as the offer is 60 mln + either robben or snejder.

Both AS and Marca are saying it's a done deal but I doubt it at this point.

Posted by: Rivaldo Jun 2 2009, 08:18 PM

http://www.corrieredellosport.it/Notizie/Calcio/70184/Milan%2C+Galliani+in+Spagna+per+vendere+Kakà

Now it's just one step for for going to Madrid....

RICKY.....you said this morning....you promised....

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 2 2009, 08:25 PM

QUOTE (GonzZo @ Jun 2 2009, 10:34 PM)

Idd, he says that just about everyday...

But 50M + Robben and Sneijder, sure does sound tempting, although I still hope it isn't true. Robben is a potential Balon d'Or winner, but he's more injured than Nesta, well almost. I guess if this was to happen, Leonardo would play a 4-3-3 for sure.

Yeah Robben wouldn't last long in Serie A. he's so fragile it's ridiculous.

Anyway, I don't like it myself but I think we will (have to) sell Kaka. there's no getting away this time, the offer would be too good for Berlu/Galliani to refuse.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 2 2009, 08:25 PM

Meh. It's Corriere, Rivaldo, which is based in Rome and...well, pretty good for stuff about Roma and Lazio and much less so for other clubs. And what they're reporting is no different than what tuttomercatoweb is, at least in this case. I still see no reason to be in any way upset other than possibly being annoyed at the immense stupidness of the Madrid press.

The Madrid press are now reporting, for what it's worth, that Chelsea has complicated things -- Ancelotti has, according to the story, asked for Kaka, and (also according to the story), Kaka's father has said that his son wants double the Milan wages from Chelsea.

So really...let's all take a happy pill until and unless something reliable comes up. This is just silly season starting early from what I can see.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jun 2 2009, 08:31 PM

65Mil bid for Kaka!
Its everywhere.....
http://www.marca.com/index.html?a=ff0827aac72a8fb5140515f0b2af50c4&t=1243970630
http://www.sport.es/default.asp?idpublicacio_PK=44&idioma=CAS&idnoticia_PK=617968&idseccio_PK=805
http://www.gazzetta.it/
http://www.skysports.com/football/

Posted by: Rivaldo Jun 2 2009, 08:38 PM

P.S. L'amore non ha prezzo....

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 2 2009, 08:44 PM

QUOTE (TriniKing_CE @ Jun 3 2009, 12:01 AM)

65Mil bid for Kaka!
Its everywhere.....
http://www.marca.com/index.html?a=ff0827aac72a8fb5140515f0b2af50c4&t=1243970630
http://www.sport.es/default.asp?idpublicacio_PK=44&idioma=CAS&idnoticia_PK=617968&idseccio_PK=805
http://www.gazzetta.it/
http://www.skysports.com/football/

If you're going to sell, at least force them to include one of their Dutch midfielders in the deal!

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 08:46 PM

this is making no sense. Before he got on the plane, he flipped out and told everyone he is not leaving. Why is it now that they are reporting the deal is done?

Posted by: Tennie Jun 2 2009, 08:49 PM

Because the Madrid papers are bored and need to boost sales, Blue.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 08:50 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 2 2009, 01:49 PM)

Because the Madrid papers are bored and need to boost sales, Blue.

That makes sense and all but why is every newspaper in europe reporting it as well.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 2 2009, 08:51 PM

They're all sourcing it back to the Spanish press. And, well, it sells papers in places other than Madrid.

Posted by: Minami Jun 2 2009, 08:55 PM

on mialnnews they say that chelsea have offered 80mill for kaka and stopped real madrid from signing him...

http://milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=7863

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 2 2009, 08:56 PM

Chelsea vs Madrid. it'd be an interesting bidding war.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 2 2009, 08:56 PM

Not exactly off topic but...when are the EU parliament elections?

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 08:57 PM

Money is good but we can't just sell him if were going to sell him. We have to get players out of this. Either dutch players from madrid or maybe essien and co from chelsea.

Posted by: dst Jun 2 2009, 08:59 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 2 2009, 10:56 PM)

Not exactly off topic but...when are the EU parliament elections?

This Sunday.

Posted by: Minami Jun 2 2009, 08:59 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 2 2009, 09:56 PM)

Not exactly off topic but...when are the EU parliament elections?

on sunday...why do you ask? do you think it has something with berlusconi and his need of money or something like that??

Posted by: Rivaldo Jun 2 2009, 09:01 PM

Offers:

Real - 64.5 mln. to Milan + 9 to Kaka
Chelsea - 80 mln. to Milan + 12 to Kaka

Where is offers from Milan?? I Hope Kaka'll stay as he told this morning.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 2 2009, 09:02 PM

This is getting way beyond rediculous, the Spanish and English press joined in a bidding war against eachother, and at this point it's become who will come out with the most over the top story.

Kaka made himself pretty clear, Berlu likes to over dramatise things so now he'll say the offer is hard to resist at the end of the summer he'll swoop in with his cape and sward and say that he was the one that stopped everything because he loves Milan and Kaka, bla, bla...

Berlu has been using Milan as a political tool for years now, wake up people.

Next week Real will be going all out for Ronaldo, the one after that Fabregas, it's a never ending story get used to it

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 09:06 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 2 2009, 02:02 PM)

This is getting way beyond rediculous, the Spanish and English press joined in a bidding war against eachother, and at this point it's become who will come out with the most over the top story.

Kaka made himself pretty clear, Berlu likes to over dramatise things so now he'll say the offer is hard to resist at the end of the summer he'll swoop in with his cape and sward and say that he was the one that stopped everything because he loves Milan and Kaka, bla, bla...

Berlu has been using Milan as a political tool for years now, wake up people.

Next week Real will be going all out for Ronaldo, the one after that Fabregas, it's a never ending story get used to it

I wouldn't be so sure this time man. Yes he did say hes staying but its way to early in the transfer market for negotiations liket his to take place if it weren't true. Galliani is in spain, its june 2, and berlu comes out and says he can't hold on to kaka.

This thing is not going to go on for 3 months, so i'm thinking there is seriousness in this.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 09:09 PM

QUOTE

Real Madrid have agreed a €65m fee with AC Milan for Kaka, according to Cadena SER radio station.

The Brazilian has been linked with a move to the Spanish giants for years, but with former president Florentino Perez once again taking control this week, speculation has reached fever pitch.

Now, sources in Spain report that the conditions have been agreed, and Cadena SER asserts that the €65m price tag is agreed by all parties.

All that remains now are some personal matters to attend to with Kaka, who is set to earn €9m a year (€175,000 a week) for the next five seasons.

The 27-year-old is on international duty as Brazil prepare to take on Uruguay this weekend, meaning that he cannot be present to physically sign a deal in Madrid for now.

Posted by: dst Jun 2 2009, 09:11 PM

what's going on? Everyone is trying to be the first to report the deal...

It would be huge if Real manage to snatch both Kaka and CR!

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 09:12 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 2 2009, 02:11 PM)

what's going on? Everyone is trying to be the first to report the deal...

It would be huge if Real manage to snatch both Kaka and CR!

It would not be huge at all. We lose our best player and so do united to those c****

Posted by: Tennie Jun 2 2009, 09:15 PM

Han, I'm wondering if this IS a Berlusconi trick this time. He's taken a beating in the Italian press over the whole incident with the 18 year old. Needs to save face a little.

(In other words, neither Fishdoll nor I have seen anything to believe in these insane transfer rumors -- yet. not excluding the possibility, just stating that it's all speculation and the only hard fact we have is that Galliani had dinner with Perez. That's it.)

Posted by: han2503 Jun 2 2009, 09:15 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 09:06 PM)

I wouldn't be so sure this time man. Yes he did say hes staying but its way to early in the transfer market for negotiations liket his to take place if it weren't true. Galliani is in spain, its june 2, and berlu comes out and says he can't hold on to kaka.

This thing is not going to go on for 3 months, so i'm thinking there is seriousness in this.

I didn't mean that this will go on all summer, what I meant when I said at the end of the summer was really to over emphasise things. What I meant is that when everything seems to be a done deal he'll swoop in and save the day, just like he did with Man City. Man City pretty much admitted that Milan played them and had no intention to sell Kaka in the first place.

You know, I know I'm going to get flamed for this but whatever I'm just going to say it. Kaka has really declined in these last 2 seasons, injuries and form have really done him in, he's lost about 65% of his pace, he's not as lethal anymore. I think that if we are ever going to sell him it should be now, because if we wait another year his price will drop to about half if he has another bad season.

He's 27 going to turn 28 he cannot be concidered a youngster anymore no matter what we all like to think. Milan really have to think about the future. And if selling Kaka will make for a better future for Milan then I say we should go for it. If he was the same Kaka as he was 2 years ago before the injuries I say no way. But atm I don't think it;s feasable to keep him.

If we can skin Chelsea or Mardid with a massive selling price I say go for it, get as much money as we can from either team plus a player (Chelsea-Essien, Madrid-Sneijder). And use the cash to get a WC CB and striker.

Posted by: dst Jun 2 2009, 09:16 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 11:12 PM)

It would not be huge at all. We lose our best player and so do united to those c****

You are right, it's not huge at all, just Milan's and Utd's best players, the last two Ballon d'Or winners.

At this moment, I feel relaxed. I believe in nothing until it's made official. I suggest you do the same or you'll end up crazy!

Posted by: han2503 Jun 2 2009, 09:18 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 2 2009, 09:15 PM)

Han, I'm wondering if this IS a Berlusconi trick this time. He's taken a beating in the Italian press over the whole incident with the 18 year old. Needs to save face a little.

That's all I'm saying.

Until I see the official ticker on the official site and Kaka confirm it I won't believe anything. No use in panicking especially after that whole Man City BS Berlu pulled on us in the winter

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 09:20 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 2 2009, 02:15 PM)

I didn't mean that this will go on all summer, what I meant when I said at the end of the summer was really to over emphasise things. What I meant is that when everything seems to be a done deal he'll swoop in and save the day, just like he did with Man City. Man City pretty much admitted that Milan played them and had no intention to sell Kaka in the first place.

You know, I know I'm going to get flamed for this but whatever I'm just going to say it. Kaka has really declined in these last 2 seasons, injuries and form have really done him in, he's lost about 65% of his pace, he's not as lethal anymore. I think that if we are ever going to sell him it should be now, because if we wait another year his price will drop to about half if he has another bad season.

He's 27 going to turn 28 he cannot be concidered a youngster anymore no matter what we all like to think. Milan really have to think about the future. And if selling Kaka will make for a better future for Milan then I say we should go for it. If he was the same Kaka as he was 2 years ago before the injuries I say no way. But atm I don't think it;s feasable to keep him.

If we can skin Chelsea or Mardid with a massive selling price I say go for it, get as much money as we can from either team plus a player (Chelsea-Essien, Madrid-Sneijder). And use the cash to get a WC CB and striker.

I agree with you completely. The only problem with him is that he is not just a milan player and if we do sell him it will be like selling maldini at 28. Yes it will be benefitical for the future but if Kaka comes out and says he was forced to make the deal or he didn't want to and he did it for milan, I doubt Silvio and Galliani will survive the night.

I just dont understand this, Milan are not a selling club. No matter how much our players are declining, we shouldn't have to sell them to balance the books. If silvio can't afford to invest as much as morratti, then why keep the club? I just dont understand it.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 2 2009, 09:22 PM

There's no proof Milan are selling anything, blue.

Posted by: dst Jun 2 2009, 09:24 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 2 2009, 11:15 PM)

Han, I'm wondering if this IS a Berlusconi trick this time. He's taken a beating in the Italian press over the whole incident with the 18 year old. Needs to save face a little.

He's actually pretty safe. All the latest gallup-polls show this story has cost him nothing. The European parliament deputies have no power anyway, Berlusconi knows more than anyone that it is all a joke.

Posted by: GonzZo Jun 2 2009, 09:25 PM

Apparently Lavezzi's agent is in Madrid aswell.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 2 2009, 09:27 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 09:20 PM)

I agree with you completely. The only problem with him is that he is not just a milan player and if we do sell him it will be like selling maldini at 28. Yes it will be benefitical for the future but if Kaka comes out and says he was forced to make the deal or he didn't want to and he did it for milan, I doubt Silvio and Galliani will survive the night.

I just dont understand this, Milan are not a selling club. No matter how much our players are declining, we shouldn't have to sell them to balance the books. If silvio can't afford to invest as much as morratti, then why keep the club? I just dont understand it.

I agree with you that Milan are not a selling club, I don't like the fact that Serie A could be losing 2 of it's best players this summer (Ibra, Kaka) it's really not good for the league in general.

But with that money generated from the sales a domino effect will happen, everyone though it was crazy of Juve to sell Zidane in his prime but at the end of the day they came out better for it, and selling Zidane while he was still at his best not like Kaka's situation where he's really become limited these past few seasons.

And last time I checked Milan along with Bayern are the only club that run on 0 debth. So the money generated from the Kaka deal will not go into balancing the book but into getting those 2 players I mentioned before.

And I don't think the fans will really come at the management if a deal that is beneficial to Milan happens .ie getting serious cash for him plus one of the buying team's best players

Posted by: Tennie Jun 2 2009, 09:28 PM

Nicely stated, han.

+1 cookie to the penguins.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jun 2 2009, 09:30 PM

that spokesman of kaka Diogo Kotschko said that deal is done and only official announcement is left it is on mediaset

Posted by: dst Jun 2 2009, 09:31 PM

QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Jun 2 2009, 11:22 PM)

Not Lavezzi, we have Pato and plus with Kaka most probably leaving, we will need a creator

[quoted from the transfer window thread]

I don't see why we have come to this conclusion. In my humble opinion, what's going on is that Galliani is in Madrid and Real have actually made the reported offer but did anyone expect them not to? It's silly to think that we have agreed so quickly anyway, if we're going to sell him we would negotiate at least for the sake of it, we would not just hand him over to the first offer.

On the other hand, Galliani did lie about his whereabouts and Kaka seemed frustrated when asked about his future this morning so... I don't know.

How much cleaner have I made things!??

Let's just wait and see people. Do NOT believe what's coming from Spain though.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 2 2009, 09:37 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 2 2009, 09:28 PM)

Nicely stated, han.

+1 cookie to the penguins.

<Panguins jump for joy>

But in all seriousness, Kaka really has done nothing these last 2 seasons that merit that price tag and it does not seem like he's ever going to be what he was before. I say sieze the opportunity now that its here, while its here, there won't be Chelsea and Real at the door next season with that ammount of money.

Sentimentality tells me to shut up that Kaka is a Milan player and should stay that way, I'm a big fan and I really love him for what he's done, but I love the club more and at the time being keeping him will do more harm then good. And regarding sentimentality and this club, that went out the window the moment Maldini was booed and the club took no action, so the moment Galliani starts talking about family and sentimental values I will more then laugh because its an absolute insult to both the players and the fans who actually care about these things.

Anothr thing, we desperately need money to rebuild the team, and we can say what we want about Silvio but the ammount of money we need in order to rebuild is rediculous, and something that Silvio just cannot come up with on his own anymore. We need a big cash income this summer and the easy way to get that is by selling Kaka, Top class CB, top class midfielder and a top class striker and a must for next season if we're actually going to try to do something worth while in the league and the CL

Posted by: han2503 Jun 2 2009, 09:38 PM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jun 2 2009, 09:30 PM)

that spokesman of kaka Diogo Kotschko said that deal is done and only official announcement is left it is on mediaset

This guy has been saying that the deal is done for 3 years now, I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

I'll only believe this once it's officially announced

Posted by: Rivaldo Jun 2 2009, 09:43 PM

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 2 2009, 09:46 PM

I agree with han too. it'd make me unbelievably sad to see Kaka go, but we could really benefit from the deal. after all, the club comes first not individuals. my only concern is that in case we sell Kaka, will the money be entirely used to rebuild the team?... that I doubt to be honest.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 2 2009, 09:49 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 2 2009, 08:46 PM)

I agree with han too. it'd make me unbelievably sad to see Kaka go, but we could really benefit from the deal. after all, the club comes first not individuals. my only concern is that in case we sell Kaka, will the money be entirely used to rebuild the team?... that I doubt to be honest.

That is something that is plagueing the back of my mind. But we can't really expect them to sell that big of a player and leave the team as it is? The hole will be too huge.

With that said I'm still worried because this is exactly what they did after selling Sheva so I'm not so sure.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jun 2 2009, 09:53 PM

first thing should be that if we sell kaka we get some player in exchange aswell VDW, snidjer or robben atlest one of them (first 2 should be prefered) and then with the money we get from kaka sale and yoan gourcuff sale we but a top stiker and defender

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 2 2009, 09:53 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 3 2009, 01:19 AM)

That is something that is plagueing the back of my mind. But we can't really expect them to sell that big of a player and leave the team as it is? The hole will be too huge.

With that said I'm still worried because this is exactly what they did after selling Sheva so I'm not so sure.

That's why I said that!

We will definitely buy players but will we spend the entire money (plus Yoann's sale money)?! you know how many decent players could be bought? I would think at least 5.

QUOTE

snidjer

Come on!

I always found his name very difficult to spell, but spelling it like this.. that's hilarious!

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 09:58 PM

If the kaka deal goes through, we have 80 million in the bank. Whether or not all of that will be used for the transfers remains to be seen. We better also get a madrid player out of this deal.

We could potentially have a 150 million transfer fund. 40 million from CL, and 30 from silvio.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jun 2 2009, 10:05 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 2 2009, 09:53 PM)

That's why I said that!

We will definitely buy players but will we spend the entire money (plus Yoann's sale money)?! you know how many decent players could be bought? I would think at least 5.

Come on!

I always found his name very difficult to spell, but spelling it like this.. that's hilarious!

i got this after tryign to spell it for quite long was very furustrated and just typed what came to my head

Posted by: han2503 Jun 2 2009, 10:06 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 09:58 PM)

If the kaka deal goes through, we have 80 million in the bank. Whether or not all of that will be used for the transfers remains to be seen. We better also get a madrid player out of this deal.

We could potentially have a 150 million transfer fund. 40 million from CL, and 30 from silvio.

Throwing around money is easy, but you know all that caech will not go to transafers, there's wages to be payed, bills to be payed. It's not like paying FM and every cent you earn goes to the transfer kitty.

Selling Kaka will also remove a huge wage wieght off our shoulders.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 10:08 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 2 2009, 03:06 PM)

Throwing around money is easy, but you know all that caech will not go to transafers, there's wages to be payed, bills to be payed. It's not like paying FM and every cent you earn goes to the transfer kitty.

Selling Kaka will also remove a huge wage wieght off our shoulders.

No i agree but it should go to the transfer kitty. We need to rebuild.

If kaka goes, that wipes out 175k a week ,sheva goes that wipes out 75k a week. That is enough for 5-6 players.

Posted by: Minami Jun 2 2009, 10:10 PM

i am going to sleep now, because nothing will be made official even if there was something to announce....

i just hope that kaka will stay for some time because he really wants to stay at milan..!

i understand everything you said about the money aspect and so on, but he is still an important player for milan although he has been injured this season.
next season he could even be better than this one. you'll never know how he'll play then. it's not said that he won't be good again just because he wasn't good this season/in the last games...

Posted by: Rivaldo Jun 2 2009, 10:10 PM

Paolo, Carlo, Ricky the same year....it's cruel....

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 10:12 PM

QUOTE (Rivaldo @ Jun 2 2009, 03:10 PM)

Paolo, Carlo, Ricky the same year....it's cruel....

Paolo, carlo, yoann, ricky.

I have a feeling the list will continue.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 2 2009, 10:14 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 10:08 PM)

No i agree but it should go to the transfer kitty. We need to rebuild.

If kaka goes, that wipes out 175k a week ,sheva goes that wipes out 75k a week. That is enough for 5-6 players.

Agreed on that. But it's not always that simple.

Regarding wages, totally agree, also we need to start being shrewed with some players. (Miz don't hurt me) players like Dida who get big wages and are not starters because of their performances need to either accept pay cuts or go looking elsewhere.

Overly aged players like Favalli and Kalac imo should be let go.

Other players like Janku, Seedorf and Ambro need to be replaced by better players at this point. I'm not saying dump them to the curb (ok that was a lie, Seedorf should be dumped to the curb) but we really need to start realistically thinking of replacing these players

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 10:29 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 2 2009, 03:14 PM)

Agreed on that. But it's not always that simple.

Regarding wages, totally agree, also we need to start being shrewed with some players. (Miz don't hurt me) players like Dida who get big wages and are not starters because of their performances need to either accept pay cuts or go looking elsewhere.

Overly aged players like Favalli and Kalac imo should be let go.

Other players like Janku, Seedorf and Ambro need to be replaced by better players at this point. I'm not saying dump them to the curb (ok that was a lie, Seedorf should be dumped to the curb) but we really need to start realistically thinking of replacing these players

agreed. I have no problems with them staying either but they need to earn what they deserve. Seedorf does not deserve 77k.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jun 2 2009, 10:31 PM

you mean Seedorf doesn't deserve milan

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 10:35 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jun 2 2009, 03:31 PM)

you mean Seedorf doesn't deserve milan

No seedorf is a milan hero and legend. He is 33 almost so what do you expect. I would love him to stay here but stay as he deserves. 30k a week with the role of a bench player.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jun 2 2009, 10:36 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 05:35 PM)

No seedorf is a milan hero and legend. He is 33 almost so what do you expect. I would love him to stay here but stay as he deserves. 30k a week with the role of a bench player.

Carlo?

Posted by: Rivaldo Jun 2 2009, 10:36 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 09:12 PM)

Paolo, carlo, yoann, ricky.

I have a feeling the list will continue.

Nonsense....I said about 3 very important for Milan...Gourcuff only talanted young man, whose future may not be so great as most of supperts say.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 10:37 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jun 2 2009, 03:36 PM)

Carlo?

haha

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 10:38 PM

QUOTE (Rivaldo @ Jun 2 2009, 03:36 PM)

Nonsense....I said about 3 very important for Milan...Gourcuff only talanted young man, whose future may not be so great as most of supperts say.

Still he is a milan player and he could have been very useful for us.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jun 2 2009, 10:38 PM

QUOTE

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 2 2009, 05:14 PM)

Agreed on that. But it's not always that simple.

Regarding wages, totally agree, also we need to start being shrewed with some players. (Miz don't hurt me) players like Dida who get big wages and are not starters because of their performances need to either accept pay cuts or go looking elsewhere.

Overly aged players like Favalli and Kalac imo should be let go.

Other players like Janku, Seedorf and Ambro need to be replaced by better players at this point. I'm not saying dump them to the curb (ok that was a lie, Seedorf should be dumped to the curb) but we really need to start realistically thinking of replacing these players

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 05:29 PM)

agreed. I have no problems with them staying either but they need to earn what they deserve. Seedorf does not deserve 77k.

Agreed! +1

Posted by: Rivaldo Jun 2 2009, 11:01 PM

The latest RMD offer: 65 mln. + 2 players from this list - Sneijder e Robben, Gago, Guti, Drenthe, Pepe, Marcelo e M. Diarra.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 2 2009, 11:04 PM

It's getting even sillier now.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jun 2 2009, 11:07 PM

Apparently italian press has confirmed it now

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 2 2009, 11:09 PM

I don't know what to think. it looks serious...

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jun 2 2009, 11:10 PM

ARG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tennie Jun 2 2009, 11:17 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jun 2 2009, 06:07 PM)

Apparently italian press has confirmed it now

Who, specifically, in the Italian press? Can you provide a link?

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jun 2 2009, 11:18 PM

QUOTE

Kaka Agrees To Join Real Madrid - Italian Media
The Brazilian has said yes to Real Madrid, and the official announcement is expected soon...

AC Milan star Kaka has agreed to join Real Madrid, according to Sky Italia.

News of his impending transfer to the La Liga giants has been gaining momentum since this afternoon when it was rumoured Milan vice president Adriano Galliani and Kaka's father/agent were in the capital to negotiate a deal.

The Spanish media later reported that a deal had been agreed for €65 million between the two clubs.

The former Ballon d'Or winner is currently on international duty with Brazil, but has allegedly given his stamp of approval to the deal. All that is missing is an official announcement from the two clubs, which is likely to arrive very shortly.

The 27-year-old made 31 appearances in Serie A this season for the Rossoneri, finding the back of the net 16 times in the process.

how reliable is sky again

?

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 11:21 PM

Great..........

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 11:22 PM

apparantly from the choice of players, its reported we want diarra and robben.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jun 2 2009, 11:23 PM

i don't know the words to truly express how livid i am right now

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 2 2009, 11:24 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 03:22 PM)

apparantly from the choice of players, its reported we want diarra and robben.

Great, we (apparently) dump Kaka and want a cripple in Robben in return.

QUOTE (han)

(Miz don't hurt me) players like Dida who get big wages and are not starters because of their performances

Don't worry, I won't.

*plucks out one of Han's chest hairs*

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jun 2 2009, 11:26 PM

Best get used to it I suppose. Pato next then?

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jun 2 2009, 11:27 PM

how good are Robben/diarra?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 2 2009, 11:28 PM

Well what a surprise

So let him go the Chelsea or Madrid .. Most people claimed he should have been benched at most parts of the season, well who the hell would bench a player worth Eur 80MM !?

Just sell him and get it over with.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 11:30 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 2 2009, 04:28 PM)

Well what a surprise

So let him go the Chelsea or Madrid .. Most people claimed he should have been benched at most parts of the season, well who the hell would bench a player worth Eur 80MM !?

Just sell him and get it over with.

He is our icon R7. Its like selling maldini.

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 2 2009, 11:30 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 03:30 PM)

He is our icon R7. Its like selling maldini.

Sorry, but Kaka is nowhere near an icon as Maldini. If he hadn't peaked for 10 games in the '07 CL we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jun 2 2009, 11:31 PM

how good are Robben/ Diara?

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 11:32 PM

so let me break this transfer down for those who are a bit confused.

We will recieve 65 million euros and 2 players.

we will have the choice between sneijder or robben to pick.

Then we will have the choice of one of these players: Gago, Guti, Drenthe, Pepe, Marcelo or M. Diarra.

Kaka will recieve 12 million euros a year for 4 years.

Note: all based on rumors, no actual concrete evidence regarding any of this.

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 2 2009, 11:32 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jun 2 2009, 03:31 PM)

how good are Robben/ Diara?

It doesn't matter, because they're not coming anyway and people are making mountains out of molehills from every little rumor as usual.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 2 2009, 11:33 PM

QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jun 3 2009, 02:56 AM)

Pato next then?

Bite your tongue!
--
3AM here. I'm off to bed. hope tomorrow we'll know how it's gonna end.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 11:33 PM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jun 2 2009, 04:30 PM)

Sorry, but Kaka is nowhere near an icon as Maldini. If he hadn't peaked for 10 games in the '07 CL we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

after maldini, he is our club symbol. Whether or not you agree with that, it doesn't change the fact that it is true.

Posted by: Rivaldo Jun 2 2009, 11:34 PM

00:15 KAKA': "OGGI NON PARLO"
"Oggi non parlo, non è il mio turno". Così Kakà dal raduno della Nazionale brasiliana. Poi il giocatore ha conversato a lungo con il suo portavoce Diogo Kotscho.

http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/articoli/articolo24026.shtml?refresh_cens

I try to translate...

Kaka: I'll not speak today. It's not mine time.
And then he speaked with his agent Diogo

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 2 2009, 11:39 PM

That's just sad that Mediaset has a minute-by-minute account of what's going on.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 11:40 PM

Looks like problems with the figures are happening.

Milan want 80 million and they are not interested in any madrid players.

Madrid want to give 65 plus 2 players.

Kaka wants 12 million a season.

Madrid only willing to offer 9 million.

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 2 2009, 11:43 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 2 2009, 03:40 PM)

Kaka wants 12 million a season. Madrid only willing to offer 9 million.

Greedy b*****d, assuming this whole thing was true.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 2 2009, 11:46 PM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jun 2 2009, 04:43 PM)

Greedy b*****d, assuming this whole thing was true.

well if hes leaving he might as well get as much as possible. If hes asking 12 million, how much do you think ronaldo will ask.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jun 2 2009, 11:47 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 2 2009, 11:33 PM)

Bite your tongue!
--
3AM here. I'm off to bed. hope tomorrow we'll know how it's gonna end.

Why? carlo wants him

Just sell all our best players so berlusconi can have more money and then we can just concentrate on getting CL every season.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 2 2009, 11:49 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 3 2009, 01:30 AM)

He is our icon R7. Its like selling maldini.

If your referring to 'our' as in Milan fans, then I beg to differ. Because Shevchenko was considered an icon. Hell, Shevchenko won more with Milan than Kaka' did, and look at what kind of icon he turned out to be

The only icons Milan had were Franco Baresi & Paolo Maldini .. The numbers 6 & 3 weren't retired for nothing you know

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jun 2 2009, 11:50 PM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jun 2 2009, 11:43 PM)

Greedy b*****d, assuming this whole thing was true.

Or is he trying to put them off????

It seems to me that Ricky is perfectly happy to stay at Milan but the s(um that manage Milan have dollar signs in their eyes! The sooner the corrupt w@nkers are gone the better.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jun 2 2009, 11:53 PM

QUOTE

Kaka's Real Madrid Move Held Up By Last-Minute Chelsea Bid - Report
The Blues have made a desperate last-minute attempt for the Brazilian

The official announcement of Kaka's transfer to Real Madrid has been held up after Chelsea made a last-gasp bid for the Milan ace, according to Sky Italia.

The Spanish and Italian media are absolutely certain that Kaka will join Madrid in a €65 million deal, and just an hour or so ago Sky Italia claimed that the Brazilian had given his approval to the move.

An official announcement was then expected imminently, but this confirmation has reportedly been delayed after Chelsea lodged a last-gasp bid to try and sign Kaka themselves.

The 27-year-old is still expected to sign for Madrid, despite the presence of Kaka's old Milan mentor Carlo Ancelotti, who only took over as manager of Chelsea on Monday morning.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jun 2 2009, 11:55 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 2 2009, 11:33 PM)

Bite your tongue!
--
3AM here. I'm off to bed. hope tomorrow we'll know how it's gonna end.

galliani's own words -

QUOTE

Galliani has reiterated recently that Milan might find it difficult to turn down offers for their prize Brazilian assets.

"We have had requests for Kaka and Pato from two of Europe's biggest clubs and we will try and resist but there is an uneven playing field," said Galliani.

Source http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8080228.stm

So Pato next then?!?!?

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 2 2009, 11:55 PM

QUOTE (Goal.com)

Kaka's Real Madrid Move Held Up By Last-Minute Chelsea Bid - Report
The Blues have made a desperate last-minute attempt for the Brazilian

More like breaking wind than breaking news, as anything Goal.crap reports stinks to high heaven.

(Don't forget to list sources, Diavolo.)

Posted by: Rivaldo Jun 3 2009, 12:09 AM

QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jun 2 2009, 10:47 PM)

Why? carlo wants him

Just sell all our best players so berlusconi can have more money and then...

He'll sell the club.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jun 3 2009, 12:12 AM

QUOTE (Rivaldo @ Jun 3 2009, 12:09 AM)

He'll sell the club.

Only when he's cashed in on all our best players...

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 3 2009, 12:13 AM

Has it occurred to anyone that maybe we're overreacting completely? Maybe Real actually want Kalac instead and we're simply reading the reports wrong.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 3 2009, 12:13 AM

Still don't see anything concrete. Sky italia (thanks for providing the source) is doing what Mediaset and other outlets are doing and quoting the stuff from Spain and England.

Still see no reason to get my panties in a twist over this one.

and +1 to what R7 said above re: Milan icons.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 3 2009, 12:15 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 2 2009, 04:49 PM)

If your referring to 'our' as in Milan fans, then I beg to differ. Because Shevchenko was considered an icon. Hell, Shevchenko won more with Milan than Kaka' did, and look at what kind of icon he turned out to be

The only icons Milan had were Franco Baresi & Paolo Maldini .. The numbers 6 & 3 weren't retired for nothing you know

Right now to the world, the symbol of milan are maldini and kaka. Just like before it was sheva and maldini.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 3 2009, 12:18 AM

Disagree, blue. Just because that's how you see it doesn't mean that it's how everyone else does. Is Kaka currently Milan's best player? Probably but I could make a case for Pato. Is he a very important player? Absolutely. Would I rank him with Van Basten, Shevchenko, Rivera, Liedholm, etc? Sure. Would I rank him with Maldini and Baresi? Nope.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 3 2009, 12:23 AM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 2 2009, 05:18 PM)

Disagree, blue. Just because that's how you see it doesn't mean that it's how everyone else does. Is Kaka currently Milan's best player? Probably but I could make a case for Pato. Is he a very important player? Absolutely. Would I rank him with Van Basten, Shevchenko, Rivera, Liedholm, etc? Sure. Would I rank him with Maldini and Baresi? Nope.

I disagree and i'll leave it at that.

-------------------------------------------------

If this transfer goes through, we better sign some players. Juve signs diego for 25 million and Galliani is spewing bs about how italy can't afford to spend.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jun 3 2009, 12:26 AM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jun 2 2009, 06:18 PM)

how reliable is sky again

?

Very...

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 3 2009, 12:28 AM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jun 3 2009, 12:13 AM)

Has it occurred to anyone that maybe we're overreacting completely? Maybe Real actually want Kalac instead and we're simply reading the reports wrong.

I'm not confident of him staying until the window closes. It's going to be a long summer.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 3 2009, 12:29 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 2 2009, 05:28 PM)

I'm not confident of him staying until the window closes. It's going to be a long summer.

glad to see you back. How are you feeling. You must feel how we are feeling about kaka in regards to barry.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 3 2009, 12:30 AM

The English Sky is reporting that Chelsea are close to signing Kaka, for what it's worth.

Still don't think there's a need to freak out.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 3 2009, 12:34 AM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 2 2009, 05:30 PM)

The English Sky is reporting that Chelsea are close to signing Kaka, for what it's worth.

Still don't think there's a need to freak out.

This is like theatre. Madrid close to signing kaka, chelsea close to signing kaka.

It makes me wonder if Abramo got on the plane as soon as he heard galliani landed in madrid.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 3 2009, 12:34 AM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 3 2009, 12:29 AM)

glad to see you back. How are you feeling. You must feel how we are feeling about kaka in regards to barry.

Yep. What a crappy day.

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 3 2009, 12:30 AM)

The English Sky is reporting that Chelsea are close to signing Kaka, for what it's worth.

Still don't think there's a need to freak out.

Kaka', Lampard and Essien would be scary..

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 3 2009, 12:36 AM

We should try to force a 100 million from chelsea. I'm sure they would do it too.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 3 2009, 12:45 AM

and our dream of a ka pa ro is gone. sigh....

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jun 3 2009, 02:05 AM

Translated from Mediaset [to english]:

QUOTE

Kakà is close to Real Madrid. The announcement is not official yet, but the agreement with AC Milan and the player seems to have been reached. Kakà move to Real for 64.5 (but could be in more of a technical contribution). Brazilian contract for five years, for 9 million euros per season, plus any other bonus. But the Chelsea persevere. Ancelotti and Abramovich is ready with an offer superior to that of Real.

Original:

QUOTE

Kakà è vicinissimo al Real Madrid. L'annuncio ufficiale non c'è ancora, ma l'accordo con il Milan e con il giocatore sembra essere stato raggiunto. Kakà passerebbe al Real per 64.5 (ma potrebbe esserci in più una contropartita tecnica). Per il brasiliano contratto quinquennale, per 9 milioni di euro a stagione, più altri eventuali bonus. Ma il Chelsea non demorde. Ancelotti e Abramovich sono pronti con un'offerta superiore a quella del Real.

Link:
http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/articoli/articolo24026.shtml?refresh_cens

Posted by: barian Jun 3 2009, 03:06 AM

"I'll say it for the last time. The last time. I don't want to leave Milan," he told Gazzetta dello Sport. "In this period I prefer to remain silent because I don't want to be misunderstood. Or, worse still, to be used.

"To the millions of Milan supporters, I say that I have made my choice. I have said what I want to stay.

"Leave me in peace, please."

(It was Kaka said in sky sport) Hope it will be true!

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 3 2009, 08:51 AM

10-game wonder and greedy *******. wow...

... I think he'd be better off gone.

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 3 2009, 03:19 AM)

The only icons Milan had were Franco Baresi & Paolo Maldini .. The numbers 6 & 3 weren't retired for nothing you know

Billy.

And I don't think Milan had only 2 icons in its history. they're definitely the first two but there are many who gave their all to the club and just because they hadn't the longevity of Baresi and Maldini doesn't mean they can't be seen as icons of the club. Milan is bigger than that to have only 2 icons.
--
Of course Kaka is nowhere near Maldini and Baresi!! but they're gone and in the current squad he's one of our 3 or 4 symbols and definitely the most recognized of them worldwide, which makes him the teams flag and icon.

To say it's alright to sell him because he isn't as big an icon as Maldini is plain dumb.

QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jun 3 2009, 03:25 AM)

galliani's own words -

Source BBC

So Pato next then?!?!?

Galliani simply can't sell Pato and Kaka in the same transfer window or even in two/three years' time! and if he had to sell one of them, it's obvious who it'd be.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jun 3 2009, 09:23 AM

I dont blame Kaka for feeling disgruntled. If my club kept on listening to offers for me, while i expressly stated my desire to stay, i would feel like i was not wanted and would want to leave.

This will set a dangerous precedent. At the time of Sheva's sale i did wonder if we would start selling players. Sheva's loss hurt me symbolically more than anything else. He was nearly 30 and was leaving his peak, while Kaka will in his peak.

Pato to be sold when he is 23? dont bet against it, especially when Mr Galliani complains that we cant refuse offers for players like that. Yes we can Galliani, with the simple phrase of "no"

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 3 2009, 09:30 AM

We will lose fans and stature if this deal goes through.

Welcome to the new era of italian football, as juve and inter climb, we plumit further and further. I wonder if we'll be like napoli one day.

Posted by: 6Best Jun 3 2009, 10:50 AM

QUOTE ( Goal.com )

Milan To Sign Amauri If Kaka Leaves - Report
The Rossoneri want to invest the possible money they might receive from the Kaka sale in a certain Brazil-bred forward...

New Milan coach Leonardo has already set his sights on Juventus striker Amauri if star player Kaka leaves, according to the Gazzetta dello Sport.

Apparently, the Rossoneri are trying to tempt Amauri, after failing to sign him last summer in their transfer battle with the Bianconeri.

However, the Old Lady has no intention of letting her Brazilian stud leave, considering French striker David Trezeguet's probable departure. Still, a €30 million offer will be difficult for the Juve board to refuse, and in that case they will do all they can to hold on to 'Trezegol'.

The Bianconeri have already extended Vincenzo Iaquinta's contract and are also hunting down Lazio's Goran Pandev, whose arrival would surely ease the pain if Amauri were to leave.

Amauri enjoyed an excellent first part of the season before injuries slowed him down. He scored 12 goals from 32 Serie A outings.

I really hope he doesn't leave , he still one of our most important player and regarding the symbol thing , I would certainly not compare him with Maldini but at the moment he is surely our biggest symbol worldwide . I agree with with bluesummers that we will leave many fans if he leaves . I would be very , very sad if he leaves .

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 3 2009, 11:28 AM

We sell Kaka, get Amauri.

I don't know when the downfall of this club is going to end quite frankly.

Maybe we will never be the major outfit of the 90's again, the sad truth is currently Barca, Inter, United, Chelsea, Madrid are streets ahead of us and we have turned into a selling club over the last few years.

Posted by: 6Best Jun 3 2009, 11:29 AM

QUOTE (Skysports)

Milan deny Kaka claims
Galliani in Madrid to attend Perez celebration, not to discuss deal

After ongoing speculation of a move away from the San Siro, Sky Bet go 1/4 that Kaka will join Real Madrid this summer. The Brazilian has been linked with a £65m move to the Spanish giants but Milan (4/1) insist he will stay with the Rossoneri.

AC Milan have refuted suggestions that Brazilian playmaker Kaka is in talks with Real Madrid.

Reports on Tuesday suggested the Rossoneri had reached an agreement with their Spanish counterparts regarding the sale of their South American superstar.

An offer of around £65million was believed to have been agreed, with Kaka set to hold talks with Real in order to thrash out personal terms.

The former World Player of the Year has been strongly linked with a move to the Primera Liga for some time, with Madrid widely touted as his likely destination.

Those rumours have intensified of late, following Florentino Perez's return to the Real presidential hot-seat.

The new Santiago Bernabeu supremo has made no secret of his admiration for Kaka in the past, and was said to have held talks with Milan general manager Adriano Gailliani about a summer swoop.

However, Milan insist their man was in Madrid this week after being invited to attend a dinner with Perez to celebrate his return to power, not to discuss any potential deal for Kaka.

A statement released by the club read: "The general manager of the Rossoneri, Adriano Galliani, is in the city of Madrid exclusively for the investiture dinner of Florentino Perez, the new president of Real Madrid."

Lol , wtf ?

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jun 3 2009, 11:39 AM

QUOTE (barian @ Jun 3 2009, 03:06 AM)

"I'll say it for the last time. The last time. I don't want to leave Milan," he told Gazzetta dello Sport. "In this period I prefer to remain silent because I don't want to be misunderstood. Or, worse still, to be used.

"To the millions of Milan supporters, I say that I have made my choice. I have said what I want to stay.

"Leave me in peace, please."

(It was Kaka said in sky sport) Hope it will be true!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jun/02/kaka-real-madrid-chelsea-manchester-milan

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jun 3 2009, 11:40 AM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 3 2009, 09:30 AM)

We will lose fans and stature if this deal goes through.

Welcome to the new era of italian football, as juve and inter climb, we plumit further and further. I wonder if we'll be like napoli one day.

The day we failed to qualify for the CL in 2008, was the day we lost stature. As for the potential loss of fans, i dont care about that, i am a casual Barca fan because of Iniesta, if he were to leave i wouldnt be too fussed.

We have been declining for years, but remeber we are not AC Kaka, we are AC Milan, if the funds are invested properly, then we should be able to bounce back in a few years

Posted by: dst Jun 3 2009, 11:55 AM

I don't give a **** about people who support Milan only because of Kaka.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 3 2009, 12:24 PM

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jun 3 2009, 01:28 PM)

We sell Kaka, get Amauri.

I don't know when the downfall of this club is going to end quite frankly.

Maybe we will never be the major outfit of the 90's again, the sad truth is currently Barca, Inter, United, Chelsea, Madrid are streets ahead of us and we have turned into a selling club over the last few years.

I wouldn't call it a downfall, the problem is people are not grasping how difficult it is competing against those said clubs without the resources they have available. Economically Milan has been very depended on Silvio for the past decade.

It is very easy to sit behind a computer and state your opinion, comparing, criticizing and bemoaning .. Without taking into consideration the financial stability of the club. Galliani has reiterated tons of times, that the situation in Italy is a handicap when paired to England or Spain, yet people think it is easy to skim through it and disregard it. When on the contrary, it is as real as it gets

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jun 3 2009, 12:30 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 3 2009, 11:55 AM)

I don't give a **** about people who support Milan only because of Kaka.

You're missing the point though. The point is that a few years ago galliani proudly stated 'Milan will never sell it's stars' and now we listen to offers for any player, hell even Pato could be next!!!! It wouldn't be quite so hard to take if we were a small club struggling to survive, but we're supposed to be one of the biggest clubs in the world. As for galliani saying no one wants to go to Italy because of taxes etc, then how come Juve(Serie B last season) can spend £25m on Diego? And Merda don't seem to have problems signing players neither. It seems to me that our beloved management are nothing more than a bunch of corrupt, lying crooks.

And as for Ricky, all he has ever done is to say he wants to play for Milan and this is the way he's treated! perhaps he's better off paying for someone else - after all at least he'll be appreciated anywhere but Milan it seems.

we really have gone downhill.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 3 2009, 12:36 PM

Still don't see any proof that any of this story is true. In the event that it IS, I also don't think that Kaka is in any way an innocent victim in the whole thing as many have been portraying him.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 3 2009, 01:06 PM

I said before, it'd make me sad to see him leave but it's the only way we can breathe new life into the team by using the sale money - if it doesn't disappear in a puff of smoke like the last time we sold one of our stars

The whole thing is worrying as whoarethepatriots said. we've turned into a club that has to sell its best players to be able to compete not at the highest level, but for CL spot and all that. if it's going to continue this way, I for one wouldn't mind if some reach billionaire bought the club and invested in it like it deserves.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 3 2009, 01:13 PM

QUOTE

Calcio Debate: Kaka To Madrid – Is Italian Football Now At Real Risk?

Kaka is almost certain to join Real Madrid from Milan, and Carlo Garganese now fears the worst for Serie A…

What has happened to Italian football? The modern game may be dominated by money and greed, but is Calcio on some kind of mission to rid itself of every big-name star? Since when has Italy become a selling country?

Serie A has flopped miserably in Europe over the past couple of seasons and, while there are numerous reasons why, there can be no denying that one of the major factors has been the inability to match the spending power of the Premier League, and the Spanish big two of Barcelona and Real Madrid.

Look around the superpowers of Serie A – Inter, Juventus and Milan – where are the household names? On Sunday, Italy lost three, albeit ageing, legends in Paolo Maldini, Luis Figo and Pavel Nedved. Kaka will almost definitely leave to move to Real Madrid, while the chances of Zlatan Ibrahimovic joining him in La Liga are 50-50.

How can Serie A expect to dominate Europe again by selling their best players? Milan have had their spine ripped from them in a matter of days. First their soul and central pillar in defence Maldini, then their coach Carlo Ancelotti, and now it seems their best player Kaka. The Rossoneri are a painfully old team. The only first team players who are young are Kaka, Pato and Mathieu Flamini. New trainer Leonardo surely should have built the new era around these three stars.

Granted, Kaka's recurring injury problems are a real worry (something that should concern Real Madrid fans too), and he is not the same player he was in 2007, but this is a risky transfer. If Milan were to actually spend all the €65m they receive for the Brazilian on three or four world class stars, then perhaps selling to Madrid is a wise move. If reported targets Philippe Mexes, Hernanes, and Emmanuel Adebayor all arrive, the Rossoneri will certainly be stronger.

But, will this happen? President Silvio Berlusconi has seemingly lost all interest in the team he took to greatness in the late 1980s and 1990s. Milan are in debt, as are virtually every club in Europe, but Berlusconi no longer wants to be the sugerdaddy who bails them out of trouble. Those who follow Italian politics will know that Silvio has far more important things to worry about right now. Who wants to bet that the confirmation of Kaka’s sale won’t arrive until next week because Berlusconi doesn’t want to risk harming his European election nomination?

With so many big, established names being exported, it seems that only youth can now save Serie A as they attempt to close the gap on the Premier League. The Italian league undoubtedly has the best crop of youngsters in European football. No other championship can boast of such potentially awesome talents like Pato, Mauro Zarate, Mario Balotelli, Davide Santon, Sebastian Giovinco, Ezequiel Lavezzi, Kwadwo Asamoah, Alexis Sanchez, Marco Motta, and Stevan Jovetic.

But will youth be enough? For starters, the top Italian clubs rarely trust players under the age of 23, and who is to say that once they are mature enough, they won’t be shipped off to England for extortionate amounts? Napoli star Lavezzi seems as if he could be on his way to Liverpool for €30m.

The problem is not all Italy’s. One can only admire their traditional values, and determination not to sell out to rich, foreign investors who are crushing the soul of the game. Can you imagine a Serie A where Milan are owned by a Russian, Juventus by an American, and Inter by a Sheikh? It is unthinkable.

Perhaps the clubs need to be a little tougher in rejecting offers for big-name stars. When a player wants to depart, as Ibrahimovic seems to crave, it is difficult to hold him against his will. However, when a player repeats time after time that he wishes to stay, declaring his love for the club at every opportunity, as Kaka has done with Milan, this is where the decision to sell becomes difficult to understand.

It remains to be seen how Milan use Kaka’s money (and Yoann Gourcuff’s for that matter) but if they merely use it to pay off a few debts, then Italian football fans really should start worrying about the future of Calcio.

Carlo Garganese, Goal.com

Spot on, as usual.

Posted by: dst Jun 3 2009, 01:59 PM

I don't get this move at all.

It can't be for financial reasons because if we get the players we reportedly are after we're going to spend as much as we get.

It can't be for footballing issues, Kaka has had an average season but he's far from finished and I'm sure he's highly regarded by everyone inside the club.

Posted by: HasanHasanly Jun 3 2009, 03:15 PM

What Garganese says is true. If he has just stated the he does not want to leave, this can no longer be labeled as "Kaka leaves Milan". This can only be named "Milan forced Kaka out". and if they do force the best player of the league out, then down with Galliani who bi*ches about us having a weak league.

Posted by: 6Best Jun 3 2009, 05:25 PM

QUOTE (Goal.com)

Report: Milan Fans Protest Kaka Transfer To Real Madrid
The Rossoneri faithful are making themselves heard in front of Milan headquarters...

With Kaka on the verge of completing a transfer to Real Madrid, approximately 30 Milan fans have gathered in front of the club's headquarters on Via Turati to protest the move, according to La Repubblica.

The gathered crowd are yelling in chorus against Milan vice president Adriano Galliani, who is believed to have been a main facilitator in the Brazilian's alleged transfer to the La Liga giants, having reportedly been in Madrid yesterday along with Kaka's agent/father.

Local police officers have been dispatched to monitor the situation, but thus far have kept their distance and have had no reason to interfere with the crowd.

According to various reports, the Rossoneri have been receiving protests since yesterday through the internet, their e-mail flooded with angry letters from fans who desperately want the Milanese giants to hold on to the former Ballon d'Or winner.

These scenes are reminiscent to this past January, when fans also were displeased with Kaka's potential mega-money move to English Premier League side Manchester City.

Another Kaka - City saga kicks off...........

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 3 2009, 06:51 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 3 2009, 05:24 AM)

I wouldn't call it a downfall, the problem is people are not grasping how difficult it is competing against those said clubs without the resources they have available. Economically Milan has been very depended on Silvio for the past decade.

It is very easy to sit behind a computer and state your opinion, comparing, criticizing and bemoaning .. Without taking into consideration the financial stability of the club. Galliani has reiterated tons of times, that the situation in Italy is a handicap when paired to England or Spain, yet people think it is easy to skim through it and disregard it. When on the contrary, it is as real as it gets

Then berlu should sell. We have someone who is willing to buy the club and fully support it, however he does not wish to sell.

I just don't understand it. We are falling so fast and the people who control this club always come up with excuses to better their situation. If galliani says italian football is in trouble, it looks hypocritical if juve are spending so easily and inter are spending so easily as well. Furthermore, we are the only ones complaining about this situation.

No one is saying what Galliani is saying is wrong; yes italian football has problems; however, their comes a choice and if he can no longer invest in the club like every other owner such as morratti, then he must leave.

Silvio must go, just like our coach being here too long, there is such a thing as the president being here too long as well.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 3 2009, 06:58 PM

Chelsea Deny Making A Bid For Kaka

Chelsea have issued a statement refuting the earlier reports that they had returned to AC Milan with a second record breaking bid of £73.5 million, as claimed by Sky Sports News this afternoon.

Instead, the Blues have denied making any such approach, adding another layer to the rumour and speculation surrounding what would be the transfer sensation of the summer.

Intriguingly, they also choose to mention that they have never discussed wages with the Brazilian, when earlier reports suggested that they were offering the player something approaching £10 million a year to become a Chelsea player.

The statement, on the club's official website, reads:

We have never made an offer to AC Milan for Kaka and therefore not one at this extraordinary level. As a consequence we have not discussed a salary with the player either. Any reports to the contrary are totally untrue.'

Quite where this now leaves Real Madrid, to whom the player was apparently definitely on his way, according to Spanish media reports yesterday, is unclear. Though they may now re-emerge as the clear favourite to land the Brazilian.

Observers will remember that a similar furore surrounded Kaka's proposed move to Manchester City in January, a move that was scuppered at the last minute, with none other than Italian Primer Minister Silvio Berlusconi intervening to prevent the move.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 3 2009, 07:00 PM

QUOTE

Kaka, His Agent & Milan Have Agreed To World Record-Breaking Real Madrid Transfer - Sid Lowe

Madrid-based British journalist Sid Lowe has claimed that a deal is already in place which will see Kaka join Real Madrid from Milan for a world record-breaking fee this summer.

The Brazil international, it is claimed, could join los Blancos for a staggering €65 million (£56m), smashing the previous world record of €55m (£47.3m), held since 2001 when Zinedine Zidane moved from Juventus to the Santiago Bernabeu.

"The deal is in place," Lowe told Sky Sports News.

"There's an agreement between Real Madrid and AC Milan and of course between Real Madrid and the player, and perhaps just as importantly, Real Madrid and the father and agent, Bosco Leite, who was one of the stumbling blocks yesterday, because there was a bit of an argument over the size of his commission.

"What won't happen yet is for [the transfer] to be formally announced. AC Milan and Real Madrid have discussed this; they want it to be discussed at the back end of this week or early next week.

"It appears the figure is in the region of €64-65 million, although there are sources from the other side of the negotiations, with Chelsea trying to get involved, [suggesting] that the fee could actually be €9m-10m higher than that."

Asked how Florentino Perez might have progressed so well with the negotiations, Lowe replied, "In the first instance he has a very good relationship with [Milan vice president] Adriano Galliani.

"They met at at the offices of Florentino's company, ACS, in Madrid, and went through negotiations.

"During his last time at Real Madrid, [Perez] developed relationships with all the biggest clubs across Europe.

"The other factor is that he's running a club that players still want to go to, despite the fact Real Madrid have been slightly chaotic over the last five or six years."

Kaka recently released a statement affirming his desire to stay with the Rossoneri, but Lowe believes this was just a tactic to buy himself some breathing space.

"Nothing's really changed, what's changed is that we're now aware that Kaka was maybe trying to get himself peace," Lowe remarked.

"He didn't really care what he said, he just wanted to get people off his back.

"There was a very interesting comment from Jorge Valdano, the new director general of Real Madrid, saying, 'At this time of year, you have to be very, very careful what people say. Don't believe what people tell you, and by that I include myself as well.'"

Lowe also stated that the chances that Chelsea may steal in and take Kaka to Stamford Bridge are very slim.

"I think that's very unlikely," Lowe stated.

"My understanding is that not only are Real Madrid very confident the deal is almost done, but also privately that Chelsea have pretty much thrown in the towel.

"They believe that it's too late, they believe that Kaka wants to join Real Madrid not Chelsea, and they believe they won't get him.

"AC Milan are happy to sell, but they're not saying anything. Real Madrid are briefing that they think they've got him, and Chelsea are briefing that they haven't. Therefore, we have to assume that it's all done."

Lowe also stated that Kaka will not be the only Galactico to join los Merengues this summer.

"[Florentino Perez] will sign more players; he's very, very keen in adding more than one Galactico this year," Lowe said. "He wants to have two, maybe even three, and a series of Spanish stars as well. He's after David Villa and David Silva."

Asked where the funds will come from for the marquee signing, Lowe responded, "There isn't any money at Real Madrid. Most people are getting turned down [by the banks for money] but Real Madrid won't be."

Asked whether Cristiano Ronaldo will be on the list of potential signings, Lowe stated, "There's no doubt he will be.

"He's a player Real Madrid would like, he's a player Real Madrid believe would help them bring in the income they need. Florentino Perez believes that superstars are the best way to make money."

Lowe also revealed that he expects players to depart the Bernabeu this summer to raise transfer funds, most notably their clan of Dutch internationals.

"Even very good players, like Wesley Sneijder and Arjen Robben, are players Real Madrid would like to get rid of if they can find buyers," he explained.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 3 2009, 07:01 PM

QUOTE

Brazil Refuse Kaka Permission To Fly To Madrid Presentation

It seems more and more sources are confirming Kaka's move to Real Madrid, even though no official news has been announced.

The AC Milan and Brazilian maestro is currently on international duty with the Selecao, preparing to take on Uruguay and Paraguay on June 6 and 11, while his move to the Merengues is reportedly being completed.

Should official news come through in the near future, the national team will not allow Kaka to be presented immediately.

A spokesperson from the Brazil team told Sky Sport 24, "Kaka cannot go back to Europe for the presentation with Real."

Rodrigo Paiva, a press officer involved with the team, also confirmed this afternoon that whatever happens, he will not be leaving Brazil.

"It is already settled. No matter what happens, Kaka will not return to Europe in the middle of training to be presented...Kaka prefers to be relaxed until the situation is resolved. He will speak later," AS quote him as saying.

According to the latest reports from the Spanish and Italian press, the player has given his approval to the move and the clubs have agreed a fee of €65 million for the former Sao Paulo player.

Kaka joined Milan in 2003, and has had plenty of success with the Rossoneri, winning a Champions League trophy and a Scudetto, while personally taking home the Ballon d'Or.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 3 2009, 07:10 PM

QUOTE

AC MILAN, Berlusconi: "A lot of money is being offered to Kaka"

AC Milan owner Silvio Berlusconi said today: "I don't know if we will be able to keep Kaka anymore. One club in particular has offered him a lot of money. Anyway, I have not talked with Kaka, GM Galliani or our new coach Leonardo about this yet". " On Monday, I will talk with him and make a decision in favor of Milan's future. We have Ronaldinho who has played little because there were Kakà and Seedorf this season, so not all is lost."

Posted by: Tennie Jun 3 2009, 07:20 PM

Where did all this stuff come from? crap.com?

EDIT: no matter the source, none of the stuff posted above provides any clear proof of a transfer. the only concrete thing is the Berlusconi soundbyte (more or less accurately translated, for a surprise) noting that he'll talk to Kaka on Monday.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jun 3 2009, 07:44 PM

Sid Lowe is the La Liga correspondent for the Guardian. I dont remember seeing that article on the guardian, but he is extremely knowledgeable on La Liga

Posted by: Tennie Jun 3 2009, 07:46 PM

Still doesn't mean he knows anything other than what he's being fed. Until we get official stuff from direct sources, I at least am going to be very suspicious of any articles - especially articles on places as unreliable and prone to fantasy as goal.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jun 3 2009, 08:03 PM

He must of heard it from his Marca or AS contacts, but i agree with you. I dont think he is in the loop. One of the Spanish guys who does "Revista De La Liga" (Guillem Balague) said a similar thing in his programe. But again, most likely it came from Marca and those guys are lunatics.

Monday is when we will know i expect. I am not optimisitc, especially after the Shevchenko deception

Posted by: Rivaldo Jun 3 2009, 08:57 PM

21:33 BERLUSCONI: PATO AL CHELSEA? ASSOLUTAMENTE NO - «Assolutamente no». Silvio Berlusconi, a margine della registrazione di Porta a Porta, è perentorio nel negare che vi sia alcun rischio che l'asso brasiliano Pato sia venduto al Chelsea.

21:05 AGENTE PATO: NESSUNA GARANZIA CHE RESTI - Dopo l'allarme rosso per Kakà, al Milan si accende anche quello per Pato, il cui agente non se la sente di dare garanzie sul suo futuro in rossonero. «Il Milan deve decidere la situazione di Pato, noi siamo entusiasti dell'interesse del Chelsea per il giocatore, ma solo al Milan spetta la decisione finale - ha spiegato ai microfoni di Antenna3 e Telelombardia Gilmar Veloz, il procuratore del brasiliano -. Pato ha un contratto con il Milan ma se la società dovesse trovare un accordo con il Chelsea saremmo disponibili a trattare». «Al momento, però, - è la conclusione di Veloz - non posso dare garanzie ai tifosi che Pato rimanga al Milan, la società non è mia e soltanto un responsabile del Milan potrà dare questa risposta».

http://www.corrieredellosport.it/Notizie/Calcio/70235/Calciomercato+in+fermento%3A+Kakà+al+Real+Madrid%2C+ore+decisive!+Segui+tutta+la+diretta

Yeaaah....Pato ia next

Posted by: Tennie Jun 3 2009, 09:00 PM

Again with the fatalistic attitudes. Sheesh.

All the agent said (in the thing quoted above) is that he couldn't guarantee that Pato would remain with milan as that's something the club decides, not him.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 3 2009, 09:15 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 3 2009, 08:51 PM)

Then berlu should sell. We have someone who is willing to buy the club and fully support it, however he does not wish to sell.

I just don't understand it. We are falling so fast and the people who control this club always come up with excuses to better their situation. If galliani says italian football is in trouble, it looks hypocritical if juve are spending so easily and inter are spending so easily as well. Furthermore, we are the only ones complaining about this situation.

No one is saying what Galliani is saying is wrong; yes italian football has problems; however, their comes a choice and if he can no longer invest in the club like every other owner such as morratti, then he must leave.

Silvio must go, just like our coach being here too long, there is such a thing as the president being here too long as well.

Well, Juve don't spend so easily ... Just because Juve don't have as high expenses as Milan in wages and hence are able to purchase one good buy, does NOT mean they are better economically than Milan. And please make note that Juve bowed down to Madrid when a then world record price came in for Zidane.

Silvio must go !? I'm sorry, but I don't understand where this is coming from ... This is THE man who made Milan into the club you have come to know today. I am really confused by this kind of attitude, for which I have no idea on what basis are your assumptions coming from !?

If he decides to sell Kaka', then he wants a return on his investment to restructure and improve on HIS team. If he wants to sell Pato, then he wants a return on HIS investment .. and please notice the HIS, cuz it all came from HIS pocket.

If that is your opinion, then by all means go ahead, but don't address me with it, because I am very grateful for what this man had done for Milan, taking it from bankruptcy in '86 to a pillar of European football in our modern day. No club president in Europe had done the same!

Posted by: LaPalma Jun 3 2009, 09:57 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 3 2009, 10:15 PM)

Well, Juve don't spend so easily ... Just because Juve don't have as high expenses as Milan in wages and hence are able to purchase one good buy, does NOT mean they are better economically than Milan. And please make note that Juve bowed down to Madrid when a then world record price came in for Zidane.

Silvio must go !? I'm sorry, but I don't understand where this is coming from ... This is THE man who made Milan into the club you have come to know today. I am really confused by this kind of attitude, for which I have no idea on what basis are your assumptions coming from !?

If he decides to sell Kaka', then he wants a return on his investment to restructure and improve on HIS team. If he wants to sell Pato, then he wants a return on HIS investment .. and please notice the HIS, cuz it all came from HIS pocket.

Well spoken.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 3 2009, 10:06 PM

If Silvio wants a return on his investement he can sell Dinho too the player he wasted 21m on thanks to Carlo. or he can sell those players who make millions of unearned euros each year. you don't do that by selling your best players. no one in their right mind would do that.

And Silvio is not bigger than Milan, get over it. no one is. someday he will be gone, Milan will always remain.

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 3 2009, 10:34 PM

QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Jun 3 2009, 11:44 AM)

Sid Lowe is the La Liga correspondent for the Guardian.

I guess that's his second job when he's not busy coaching NC State's basketball team.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jun 3 2009, 10:47 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 3 2009, 10:06 PM)

If Silvio wants a return on his investement he can sell Dinho too the player he wasted 21m on thanks to Carlo. or he can sell those players who earn millions of unearned euros each year. you don't do that by selling your best players. no one in their right mind would do that.

And Silvio is not bigger than Milan, get over it. no one is. someday he will be gone, Milan will always remain.

Well said

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 3 2009, 10:57 PM

I wonder how Leonado is going to cope with a Kaka-less Milan. even if Kaka hasn't been at his best in the past 2 seasons, in 7 games he didn't play this season, we only got a few points (what was it exactly...?). we'll making things harder for Leo.

Posted by: dst Jun 3 2009, 10:59 PM

Berlusconi has made Milan what she is today but that does not give him the right to break it all down. I'm not saying that's what he does but don't sanctify him, he can be judged too. He has gained much more from Milan than he has given so don't make sound like he's some good Samaritan!

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 12:55 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 3 2009, 02:15 PM)

Well, Juve don't spend so easily ... Just because Juve don't have as high expenses as Milan in wages and hence are able to purchase one good buy, does NOT mean they are better economically than Milan. And please make note that Juve bowed down to Madrid when a then world record price came in for Zidane.

Silvio must go !? I'm sorry, but I don't understand where this is coming from ... This is THE man who made Milan into the club you have come to know today. I am really confused by this kind of attitude, for which I have no idea on what basis are your assumptions coming from !?

If he decides to sell Kaka', then he wants a return on his investment to restructure and improve on HIS team. If he wants to sell Pato, then he wants a return on HIS investment .. and please notice the HIS, cuz it all came from HIS pocket.

If that is your opinion, then by all means go ahead, but don't address me with it, because I am very grateful for what this man had done for Milan, taking it from bankruptcy in '86 to a pillar of European football in our modern day. No club president in Europe had done the same!

****note: sorry for grammar and spelling errors...

I dont agree. Its not "his" club. Yes he does fund the club but he gets his share out of it as well. Also I am thankful to him for what hes done, but i'm also sick and tired of his regime and the board in which he controls. Football is a business as much as it is a sport. They must be maintained in equal harmony for success to be achieved.

At this time we have been too busy trying to fix the business side of the team that the sporting side has suffered dearly. When we did have money, we made poor investment choices and have caused ourselves to be in this mess.

ex: beckham, sheva, oliveria, borriello, and all the co ownerships that i'm sure no one wants.

We should have sacked carlo last year, but we chose not to. If that isn't rubbish enough, we gave him a player he did not want and in the end wasted 21 million as he sat on the bench. There are many more examples, which i'm sure you know and i don't need to go on listing. Now we have hired an inexperienced coach who could either do great or put our team at a great risk, when we could have gone for the experienced choice like rijkaard.

Right now because of these poor choices we have no choice but to sell our best in order to fix our situation. The only reason we are selling Kaka is because he is the most expensive player. It doesn't matter who it is, it could have been pato or pirlo or even the great paolo if this occured 10-15 years ago.

This for me is not acceptable. It was "his" fault that we have plumited to this mess. "his" fault for not investing properly when he had the opportunity to deal with this. "his" fault why we have gone from the world's greatest club to a 4th position mess every year. So now i'm assuming because of "his" mistakes, he will fix it with "his" own money and not sacrificing someone like Kaka in order to fix it.

If he won't , then I want him out. Silvio is great but not greater than Milan. I would rather have arab owners than silvio at this point. At least I know we won't turn into a selling club, selling our best players. We are the laughing stock of europe because of this GREAT SILVIO.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 4 2009, 01:06 AM

Well. I'm not going to bother to comment on the various rants other than to say that I disagree with them and think that some people may be overreacting just a tad.

And I'm completely unsurprised that, tonight, the director of Milannews has put up an editorial stating that the whole thing is just a bluff and that Kaka will remain.

Posted by: enda Jun 4 2009, 01:13 AM

sell ronaldinho not kaka..

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jun 4 2009, 01:19 AM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 3 2009, 08:06 PM)

And I'm completely unsurprised that, tonight, the director of Milannews has put up an editorial stating that the whole thing is just a bluff and that Kaka will remain.

just saw this...

I have to say I am pretty much waiting for Monday to see what Berlusconi [&/or other supposedly involved parties] says at this point concerning the whole fiasco.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 4 2009, 02:11 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 3 2009, 12:24 PM)

It is very easy to sit behind a computer and state your opinion, comparing, criticizing and bemoaning .. Without taking into consideration the financial stability of the club. Galliani has reiterated tons of times, that the situation in Italy is a handicap when paired to England or Spain, yet people think it is easy to skim through it and disregard it. When on the contrary, it is as real as it gets

As it is very easy looking at positives, and not looking at a real light, then moaning about others opinions without much backing up.

I mean, this is an Internet forum, we're all sat behind our computers/hand-held devices stating opinions

that's just quite a stupid comment.

I'm pretty sure, I mentioned downfall, which I guess if you look at stats over the last few seasons is true. I said we are streets behind United, Barca, etc which you have admitted is true. We are not what we were in the early 90's! That can't be argued with.

I didn't say we were useless, rubbish or anything like it seems you have interpreted me into saying! I guess the truth hurts for all of us, especially when stated so bluntly.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 4 2009, 02:16 AM

Right, so everyone's welcome to an opinion unless that opinion should happen to see a positive - any positive - in management or ownership?

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 4 2009, 02:35 AM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 4 2009, 02:16 AM)

Right, so everyone's welcome to an opinion unless that opinion should happen to see a positive - any positive - in management or ownership?

How on earth did I imply that, like honestly? How?

My opinion got lambasted, without any backing up! Pretty much complaining about me personally even though we are all sat behind PC's stating our opinions, I just didn't get the point of that comment.

In no way did I shoot down anyone else's opinion, just stating reasons for why I said mine in the first place.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 4 2009, 02:39 AM

Um. Your previous post? My reading of it at least is that of an awfully harsh comment regarding R7's post in which he expresses his opinion of why management may be doing what some think it's doing. Terms like 'the truth hurts for all of us' and 'not looking at a real light, then moaning about others opnions' isn't exactly what I'd consider a big endorsement for free expression of opinion.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 4 2009, 02:52 AM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 4 2009, 02:39 AM)

Um. Your previous post? My reading of it at least is that of an awfully harsh comment regarding R7's post in which he expresses his opinion of why management may be doing what some think it's doing. Terms like 'the truth hurts for all of us' and 'not looking at a real light, then moaning about others opnions' isn't exactly what I'd consider a big endorsement for free expression of opinion.

So it's ok for R7 to complain about mine, yet I can't do it back? Erm, I mean "It is very easy to sit behind a computer and state your opinion, comparing, criticizing and bemoaning" Yet I can't respond/debate too that - No?

Looking back I should have said 'silly' as oppose to 'stupid' but it's fine other than that, if I offended R7, there was no intention meant, at all. As for the truth hurts bit that's still my opinion really, I mean everything is!

In all honesty I think your first post was almost a flame (argumentative) post and I shouldn't have got dragged that low and into it. R7 has had and does have great opinions that I respect and will happily respond too, I'm not taking this personally at all, if R7 didn't debate with me I'd be bored.

I don't know why you'd write a post like you did, I mean there's a number of things I don't agree with on other member's opinions but I don't try and argue with people by writing posts that will attempt, at least, too do nothing other than agitate/annoy people.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 4 2009, 02:56 AM

Gosh. Guess I've been put in my place.

Posted by: dst Jun 4 2009, 07:30 AM

QUOTE

“Everything is almost done. I know that I will be going to Madrid. I am very happy,” he was quoted as saying by AS.

[Read about it http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2009/06/04/1304195/kaka-claims-he-is-happy-to-go-to-real-madrid-spanish-press]

I don't know if the deal will go through or not but this is so fake that even the RM fans might get it. Seriously, why are they so desperate?

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 4 2009, 07:46 AM

Kaka has been flirting with RM for about four seasons now, so who's to say that he won't take the plunge this time?

He told Man City to go to hell because he knew better than to go to a Premier League bottom-scraper. Madrid is a whole different kettle of fish (or is that fishdolls?) altogether.

Posted by: dst Jun 4 2009, 08:03 AM

I don't think he's been flirting. He has not rejected anyone but that does not mean he'd sleep with them.

Wait, what?

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 4 2009, 08:17 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 12:03 AM)

I don't think he's been flirting. He has not rejected anyone but that does not mean he'd sleep with them.

Wait, what?

Classic.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 08:58 AM

QUOTE

Milan's Adriano Galliani Explains Reasons Behind Kaka's Sale

Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani admitted that Kaka is leaving the club this team, unlike what happened in January with the Manchester City saga.

Galliani declared that the decision was taken due to economic issues and that the Rossoneri could not reject such a high offer again.

"Milan cannot lose €70 million every year," explained the director to the Gazzetta dello Sport.

"Even the heart must face the numbers, but we are not demobilising. A great attacker, a forward, will arrive, since next year we will play with the 4-3-1-2. I hope the fans understand."

Galliani then denied that any of the other important players are leaving.

"[Alexandre] Pato, [Andrea] Pirlo and [Clarence] Seedorf are not for sale," he confirmed.

With Chelsea claiming to have never bid for Kaka, it seems that the Brazilian player's path to Real Madrid should now be a relatively smooth one.

from the man himself, its official.

No, Galliani we don't understand. We don't understand why players like kaladze, Dida etc are getting 77k a week for doing jack s***. We don't understand why sheva was brought here when everyone could see he was a finished player. We don't understand why Ronaldinho was bought for 21 million when that money could been easily spent somewhere else and could have brought 100x more benefit. We don't understand why our youth products like abate, paloschi and etc have to be sent out on stupid co-ownerships that in the end cause us to lose money. We don't understand how you could loan a player like Gourcuff out and put such a lowe clause like 15 million on him when you could easily see that he had the potential to become great. We don't understand why you have waited until there is no other choice to sack the coach who was finished 2 seasons ago.

We don't understand why you continually choose to invest in veteran players who have at maximum 1 or 2 years to give when success comes from a balance of great youth and great veterans. We don't understand how you continually boast about Milan being a family like club who defends its players, when Maldini had to go through that abysmal event without any support from the club. We don't understand why you are selling our best player to fix the mess caused by silvio and you. We don't understand how you can justify these things so easily with such foolish statements such as italian football is in a mess when other clubs are easily double or tripling our spending.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 09:06 AM

I bet that great attacker is someone like Toni.

Good lord, we thought we wouldn't have to bear Seedorf anymore after Carlo left, but with Kaka leaving, Seedorf's role will become even more important! anyone else thinks he'll be the "1" in the 4-3-1-2?

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 09:09 AM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 4 2009, 02:06 AM)

I bet that great attacker is someone like Toni.

Good lord, we thought we wouldn't have to bear Seedorf anymore after Carlo left, but with Kaka leaving, Seedorf's role will become even more important! anyone else thinks he'll be the "1" in the 4-3-1-2?

No it's going to be ronaldinho pato and adebayor most likely.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 09:23 AM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 4 2009, 11:39 AM)

No it's going to be ronaldinho pato and adebayor most likely.

Ah thank God there is Dinho! can you believe I'd totally forgotten we had him when I wrote that?

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 09:24 AM

QUOTE

Galliani: We have to sell Kaka

Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani admits he was in Spain earlier this week and did speak with Real Madrid about Kaka.

Speculation went into overdrive yesterday after Galliani was spotted in Madrid along with Kaka's father Bosco Leite.

A world record transfer worth £68.5m is said to be in the offing, but it's up to the player to decide whether he goes or not.

“Florentino Perez invited me to celebrate his nomination,” Galliani told La Gazzetta dello Sport. “We had lunch and spoke about Kaka. I don't deny it. Negotiations exist, but a deal has yet to be done.

“We all have a heart, but the numbers have become such that even those with a big heart have to face up to themselves and do the accounts.

“Kaka has behaved well with us, he has never asked for any adjustments or contract extensions. He has been here six years winning all that there is to win.

“But we cannot allow ourselves to lose £70m,” Galliani explained. “The reasons behind Kaka's departure would be economic.

“Real turnover almost double what we do, they own the Santiago Bernabéu and don't share their TV revenue with other teams.

“They are helped by a fiscal regime that allows them to offer players bigger contracts, spending the same net figure. Two million becomes one million in the pockets of a player in Italy. It's a million and a half in Spain.

“I don't want to be boring, but the root of the problem is economic,” Galliani said. “Italy have lost competitiveness and Serie A has to fight so as to ensure it is not overtaken by other championships, after having lost ground with respect to Spain and England.”

When asked if he had calculated the damage to Milan's image that would come with selling Kaka, Galliani said: “Everything that comes to be done at Milan is pondered over.

“I hope that the fans understand the situation. The Milan of Berlusconi has lived through four great cycles: that of Sacchi, that of Capello, the interregnum of Tabarez-Zaccheroni-Terim and the period of Ancelotti.

“We are starting again with a fifth cycle. There are negotiations for Kaka, but the other big players are unsellable. They are Pato, Pirlo and Seedorf.”

Galliani was then asked to explain why Berlusconi doesn't sell the club if he no longer feels he can help it economically.

“Berlusconi doesn't want to sell, but there has never been interest in a major stake. There has been interest in a minor stake, but a deal was never opened.”

On being asked to describe what Milan fans can expect next season, Galliani said: “A Milan ready to begin again. They have said we were finished many times before and we started to win again.”

Posted by: han2503 Jun 4 2009, 09:25 AM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 4 2009, 09:06 AM)

I bet that great attacker is someone like Toni.

Good lord, we thought we wouldn't have to bear Seedorf anymore after Carlo left, but with Kaka leaving, Seedorf's role will become even more important!

anyone else thinks he'll be the "1" in the 4-3-1-2?

No way, Leo is not Carlo. Ronnie will be the '1'. I'm just parying it's enough. No matter what I said about Kaka declining it will be a big loss. Let's hope that at least a fraction of what is earned from his sale will go into a defender and a midfielder.

What a blow for Leonardo to start with... I feel sorry for him

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 09:25 AM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 4 2009, 02:23 AM)

Ah thank God there is Dinho! can you believe I'd totally forgotten we had him when I wrote that?

No doubt bro. We have the great dinho!! We don't need Kaka, who needs one of the world's best and loyal players anyways who is a symbol of our club and an icon to all footballers. A real example after the great Paolo.

Posted by: dst Jun 4 2009, 09:26 AM

As conflicting as it may sound the sale of Kaka is the result of Milan's Champions League triumph in 2007.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 09:27 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 4 2009, 02:25 AM)

No way, Leo is not Carlo. Ronnie will be the '1'. I'm just parying it's enough. No matter what I said about Kaka declining it will be a big loss. Let's hope that at least a fraction of what is earned from his sale will go into a defender and a midfielder.

What a blow for Leonardo to start with... I feel sorry for him

No lol. Galliani already said the money will be used for a great attacker. So i'm guessing 30 mil max and the rest into silvio's pockets.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 09:28 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 02:26 AM)

As conflicting as it may sound the sale of Kaka is the result of Milan's Champions League triumph in 2007.

There is a huge difference between shevchenko sale and Kaka sale. At the time shevchenko was 29 and already on the verge of a great decline, while Kaka was just entering his prime at 24. He was already capable of carrying the team on his shoulders. Right now we have pato, who is too young to do this. He will be 20 next season. You cannot expect a 20 year old to single handedly win you the champions league.

Maybe if we had Gourcuff who is 23, I would be not so angry. He is right now capable of carrying milan as he has done with bordeaux. But to expect Pato to do so is ludicrous.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 09:33 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 4 2009, 12:55 PM)

No way, Leo is not Carlo. Ronnie will be the '1'. I'm just parying it's enough. No matter what I said about Kaka declining it will be a big loss. Let's hope that at least a fraction of what is earned from his sale will go into a defender and a midfielder.

What a blow for Leonardo to start with... I feel sorry for him

As I said in my previous post I'd forgotten we had a player by the name of Ronaldinho when I made that post.

look what Carlo did to one of the most famous footballers on earth.

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 12:56 PM)

As conflicting as it may sound the sale of Kaka is the result of Milan's Champions League triumph in 2007.

And would you mind explaining how?

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jun 4 2009, 09:35 AM

Sell Ricky and keep Seedorf - what a great future we will have

No wonder Pato wants to listen to offers, I don't blame him one bit!

Posted by: han2503 Jun 4 2009, 09:35 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 09:26 AM)

As conflicting as it may sound the sale of Kaka is the result of Milan's Champions League triumph in 2007.

hmm, how did you come up with that?

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 09:37 AM

http://www.acmilan.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=83258

It's definitely over. Kaka will be sold to Madrid.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 09:37 AM

QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jun 4 2009, 02:35 AM)

Sell Ricky and keep Seedorf - what a great future we will have

No wonder Pato wants to listen to offers, I don't blame him one bit!

+1 no doubt, neither do I.Maybe we should sell him to while were at it.Make the year even better than it alreadyis

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 09:39 AM

QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jun 4 2009, 01:05 PM)

No wonder Pato wants to listen to offers, I don't blame him one bit!

Pato belongs to one of the English or Spanish giants. it's only a matter of time..

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 09:41 AM

I just love how we are so accepting and calm regarding this transfer. We were all very pissed in January but now its okay. This transfer is not acceptable! How do you guys feel if we sold Maldini!!!!

Posted by: 6Best Jun 4 2009, 09:48 AM

C'mmon don't worry guys we still have Seedorf .

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 4 2009, 09:49 AM

Of course it's not the same and Maldini is incomparable.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 09:49 AM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 4 2009, 01:11 PM)

I just love how we are so accepting and calm regarding this transfer. We were all very pissed in January but now its okay. This transfer is not acceptable! How do you guys feel if we sold Maldini!!!!

What can we do about it except accepting it and looking forward to twhat the future holds for our club?

بیخیال

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 4 2009, 09:51 AM

Wait...is it confirmed? Official?

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 09:51 AM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 4 2009, 02:49 AM)

What can we do about it except accepting it and looking forward to twhat the future holds for our club?

بیخیال

I hope Berlu and Galliani leave Milan. I hope they sell it. I"m sick of this s***. I would rather have sheiks over this bull**** any day. Can't afford the club? Then leave, we don't want you here anymore!

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 09:51 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 4 2009, 02:51 AM)

Wait...is it confirmed? Official?

pretty much, its on the official website with Galliani saying he had no choice but to do it. He'll be presented in Madrid next week.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 09:52 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 4 2009, 01:21 PM)

Wait...is it confirmed? Official?

Not official but semi-official for sure. have you seen this? http://www.acmilan.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=83258

Posted by: 6Best Jun 4 2009, 09:53 AM

QUOTE (Goal.com)

Milan To Replace Kaka With Napoli Ace Ezequiel Lavezzi – Report
The Rossoneri have laid eyes on Lavezzi for life after Kaka...

Milan are targeting Napoli ace Ezequiel Lavezzi as a direct replacement for Kaka should the Brazilian join Real Madrid, according to Sportmediaset.it.

Vice president Adriano Galliani claimed earlier in an interview with La Gazzetta Dello Sport that the club would buy a big striker following Kaka's probable sale, and this has led to the widespread belief that 'El Pocho' will be dragged in.

The report suggests Lavezzi has fallen out with the Azzurri following his recent dash to Argentina, where he claimed he felt a lack of respect from the club.

With Napoli's hold on Lavezzi looking vulnerable, Milan are ready to pounce. In addition, Silvio Berlusconi enjoys a good relationship with Aurelio De Laurentiis, and this could prove pivotal in swinging the deal in the Rossoneri's favour.

However, despite Italian reports claiming Milan are buzzing around the player, suggestions in England claim Liverpool are also keen on the Argentine and even had a €22 million bid rejected.

Despite Napoli's claims that the player is not for sale, voices imply a deal around €25m would suffice. Napoli coach Roberto Donadoni is keen on Marco Borriello, and he could be worked into the deal for Lavezzi.

But, before any move can happen, Kaka has to join Real Madrid. Although the Rossoneri have confirmed a deal with Real is in full swing, the decision to stay or go remains with the Brazilian.

Just brilliant .

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 09:56 AM

I would welcome Lavezzi with open arms! he would not be Kaka's replacement if he came, he'd be simply a new signing.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 09:56 AM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 4 2009, 02:56 AM)

I would welcome Lavezzi with open arms! he would not be Kaka's replacement if he came, he'd be simply a new signing.

Sort of like Oli right?

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 09:57 AM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 4 2009, 01:26 PM)

Sort of like Oli right?

Oliveira?

no, why so say that?

Posted by: HasanHasanly Jun 4 2009, 09:58 AM

If Kaka leaves and we do not get at least 4 new promising players, I am boycotting any matches until galliani and berlusconi leave. and everybody else should do the same.

Please, tell me, WHO THE HELL are we going to play behind the two strikers? Seedorf?

This is also a great boost for Leonardo. Having the linchpin of the team leave just as you are about to build a new squad. I think galliani has forgotten that Kaka single-handedly won us the CL07.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 4 2009, 09:59 AM

We should calm down a bit...

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 10:01 AM

QUOTE (HasanHasanly @ Jun 4 2009, 01:28 PM)

Please, tell me, WHO THE HELL are we going to play behind the two strikers? Seedorf?

Ronaldinho!

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 4 2009, 10:02 AM

I thought an announcement wasn't going to be made until Monday.

Is Galliani trying to upstage Berlu or something?

Posted by: 6Best Jun 4 2009, 10:05 AM

QUOTE (Goal.com)

Milan Will Lose A Champion If Kaka Joins Real Madrid - Gennaro Gattuso
Gattuso has spoken about Kaka's probable move to Real Madrid, claiming Milan will feel the loss if he goes...

Milan midfielder Gennaro Gattuso has underlined the impact Kaka's eventual move to Real Madrid will have on the Rossoneri.

Both the Italian and Spanish media are convinced the Brazilian ace is just hours away from joining the Florentino Perez brigade. Gattuso admits he will feel a great sense of loss if his team-mate makes the lucrative move, but so will the club.

"I would prefer not to comment on this until Kaka's transfer is official," Gattuso told Sky Sport Italia.

"If he goes away then I would be very disappointed because Milan will lose a champion, someone who wins games when he is in form.

"If Milan decided to sell him then that is their decision and because they have evaluated the situation. As for the rest, there has been plenty of talk regarding a crisis in football."

The latest reports claim Kaka will be unveiled by the Spanish club on Monday, and he will be given the number 5 shirt.

Posted by: dst Jun 4 2009, 10:05 AM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 4 2009, 11:33 AM)

And would you mind explaining how?

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 4 2009, 11:35 AM)

hmm, how did you come up with that?

The CL victory was an excuse for staying inactive in the transfer window. It justified our abstinence and the board used that victory to say "we're fine as we are". A year without trophies would have triggered at least a couple of changes in the squad which would be enough for Milan to reach 4th place at least. No changes were made and the result of that was Milan finishing 5th place. The CL is huge money which not even the Ronaldinho and Beckham brands could cover as it is proved now.

We get what we deserve.

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 4 2009, 11:37 AM)

http://www.acmilan.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=83258

It's definitely over. Kaka will be sold to Madrid.

I'm still not so sure it will go through.

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 4 2009, 11:41 AM)

I just love how we are so accepting and calm regarding this transfer. We were all very pissed in January but now its okay. This transfer is not acceptable! How do you guys feel if we sold Maldini!!!!

Hey hey hey! I want Kaka to stay as much as you but nobody can be compared to Maldini or Baresi. Kaka already is a very important player in Milan's history (he is the reason why we won one of our seven CL trophies) but he's not of the same status.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 10:06 AM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jun 4 2009, 03:02 AM)

I thought an announcement wasn't going to be made until Monday.

Is Galliani trying to upstage Berlu or something?

No its just if he didn't say anything he would be shot. Tifosi are gathering in via turati by the 100s

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 10:06 AM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 4 2009, 02:57 AM)

Oliveira?

no, why so say that?

Do you remember when sheva left? They said the same thing. We are sorry this happened but we promise a great attacker will come! Then came oli who at that point was like lavezzi is right now.

Posted by: HasanHasanly Jun 4 2009, 10:07 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 4 2009, 01:59 PM)

We should calm down a bit...

Yeh its the best time to calm down and let galliani sell San Siro, make seedorf our next captain and change our name to FC Pirelli for sponsorship purposes.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 10:08 AM

QUOTE (HasanHasanly @ Jun 4 2009, 03:07 AM)

Yeh its the best time to calm down and let galliani sell San Siro, make seedorf our next captain and change our name to FC Pirelli for sponsorship purposes.

brilliant!

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 10:08 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 12:35 PM)

The CL victory was an excuse for staying inactive in the transfer window. It justified our abstinence and the board used that victory to say "we're fine as we are". A year without trophies would have triggered at least a couple of changes in the squad which would be enough for Milan to reach 4th place at least. No changes were made and the result of that was Milan finishing 5th place. The CL is huge money which not even the Ronaldinho and Beckham brands could cover as it is proved now.

We get what we deserve.

Makes sense. except the last line.

it's not our fault the management make mistakes!

Posted by: dst Jun 4 2009, 10:11 AM

QUOTE (HasanHasanly @ Jun 4 2009, 11:58 AM)

If Kaka leaves and we do not get at least 4 new promising players, I am boycotting any matches until galliani and berlusconi leave. and everybody else should do the same.

We're not going to get 4 players! If this sale is for economic reasons and not for footballing reasons then we won't spend more than half of it if any at all!

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 4 2009, 12:06 PM)

Do you remember when sheva left? They said the same thing. We are sorry this happened but we promise a great attacker will come! Then came oli who at that point was like lavezzi is right now.

Not even close. Oliveira was nobody when he came and he surely was not destined to become a big player for Milan. Lavezzi is a much greater prospect.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 10:12 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 03:11 AM)

Not even close. Oliveira was nobody when he came and he surely was not destined to become a big player for Milan. Lavezzi is a much greater prospect.

Oli was 25 when we signed him and came off top goal scorer. He was one of the most demanded strikers at that time. Why do you think we paid 20+ for him.

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 4 2009, 10:16 AM

Not that I'm justifying this, but this is hardly the first time a superstar has been let go for financial purposes. Probably not the best example, but anyone who's ever watched WWE will remember that McMahon was forced to release Bret Hart (then the heavyweight champion) because he couldn't afford to keep him in the company.

Posted by: dst Jun 4 2009, 10:16 AM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 4 2009, 12:12 PM)

Oli was 25 when we signed him and came off top goal scorer. He was one of the most demanded strikers at that time. Why do you think we paid 20+ for him.

He was 26 when he joined us, he was not top scorer (unless you mean Betis' top scores which means nothing) and he surely was not courted by any other big club. We got him for 15m.

Posted by: dst Jun 4 2009, 10:17 AM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jun 4 2009, 12:16 PM)

Not that I'm justifying this, but I doubt this is the first time a superstar has been let go for financial purposes. Anyone who's ever watched WWE will remember that McMahon was forced to release Bret Hart (then the heavyweight champion) because he couldn't afford to keep him in the company.

Or maybe you could have talked about Zidane or Nesta... but that's not really related to football...

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 4 2009, 10:18 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 02:16 AM)

We got him for 15m.

And, judging by his scoring ratio, earned 5m for every Serie A goal he scored. Talk about paying dividends.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 10:18 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 03:16 AM)

He was 26 when he joined us, he was not top scorer (unless you mean Betis' top scores which means nothing) and he surely was not courted by any other big club. We got him for 15m.

no we signed him at 25, he turned 26 here. He had a pretty high scoring record. I thought it was 20 million but I guess not. Well we got 40 for sheva so i guess it makes sense. 30% goes to transfers.

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 4 2009, 10:20 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 02:17 AM)

Or maybe you could have talked about Zidane or Nesta... but that's not really related to football...

First example I thought of, so don't feed me to the lions.

But now that you mention it, Juve survived just fine after dumping Zidane (they later signed some guy named Buffon), so there's no reason why we can't. It was Calciopoli that did them more damage than anything.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 10:20 AM

The management should have done everything possible to convince Gourcuff to come back when they knew they'd sell Kaka and there'd be a big hole left in the midfield. we could have had a decent replacement for him now...

This was one of their biggest managerial gaffes ever. stupid, stupid, stupid.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 10:21 AM

QUOTE

Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani has stated that Kaka will not be moving to Premier League outfit Chelsea this summer.

It had been reported that the Blues had hoped to hijack Real Madrid's offer of €65m (£56m) by launching a bid of €84.7 million (£73.5m) for the Brazil international.

However, Galliani is adamant that the 2007 FIFA World Player of the Year will either join los Blancos during the close-season or stay at the San Siro, ruling out a move to Stamford Bridge.

"An agreement with Chelsea could not exist. Kaka goes to Real or he remains at Milan," Galliani told the Gazzetta dello Sport.

"That is his choice and we are doing everything in complete agreement."

Galliani also confirmed that the Rossoneri are in talks with los Merengues with regard to the 27-year-old's transfer, but insists that it is not yet a done deal.

"Negotiations [with Real] do exist, but an agreement is not done," Galliani added.

I doubt it was his choice to move. He pretty much was asked to pick a club and he chose madrid. Thats why chelsea is not possible because like mancity he would not move there.

the agreement is over whether or not we'll get a player out of this or more money and kaka's wage, therefore it is yet to be agreed. But i'm sure it will happen.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 10:23 AM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 4 2009, 03:20 AM)

The management should have done everything possible to convince Gourcuff to come back when they knew they'd sell Kaka and there'd be a big hole left in the midfield. we could have had a decent replacement for him now...

This was one of their biggest managerial gaffes ever. stupid, stupid, stupid.

no he would be benched and he knew that, that is why he chose bordeaux. We already have kaka's replacement at this club, Ronaldinho.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 10:25 AM

This will be a long, stressful transfer window. I'm really worried about the midfield. losing Kaka and Gourcuff, and relying on Seedorf and Dinho to do the job... this will not work.

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 4 2009, 10:26 AM

The fact that we're supposedly planning to now center the team around an egotistical prick in Ronaldinho is what worries me far more than Kaka's sale.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 10:27 AM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 4 2009, 03:25 AM)

This will be a long, stressful transfer window. I'm really worried about the midfield. losing Kaka and Gourcuff, and relying on Seedorf and Dinho to do the job... this will not work.

its june 4th, the window hasn't even opened

Were going to have lots of fun. Lets see first if we can keep pato and pirlo this summer before worrying about purchasing

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 10:27 AM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jun 4 2009, 03:26 AM)

The fact that we're supposedly planning to now center the team around an egotistical prick in Ronaldinho is what worries me far more than Kaka's sale.

what does that mean, the definition egotistical prick and how dinho is one? Just wondering

Posted by: dst Jun 4 2009, 10:28 AM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 4 2009, 12:18 PM)

no we signed him at 25, he turned 26 here. He had a pretty high scoring record. I thought it was 20 million but I guess not. Well we got 40 for sheva so i guess it makes sense. 30% goes to transfers.

I insist!

In August 2006 he was 26 years old (was born May 6, 1980), not that it really matters. Well it was 20m actually as Vogel went the other way, I had forgotten about that.

In any case, he's never been as hot a prospect as Lavezzi.

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jun 4 2009, 12:20 PM)

First example I thought of, so don't feed me to the lions.

But now that you mention it, Juve survived just fine after dumping Zidane, so there's no reason why we can't. It was Calciopoli that did them more damage than anything.

I was just messing with you, I mean... WWE? Never mind the system it all works with there, I've never even heard the names you mentioned.

Oh Juve did more than fine with the money they got from that deal. And so did the rest of Serie A, that move initiated many transfers.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 10:33 AM

Silvio just announced this:

QUOTE

In the meantime, AC Milan boss Silvio Berlusconi said on TV station Canale Italia : "All offers for Kaka from other clubs will be considered, but I have told Galliani and Kaka to wait before making a final decision. I will talk to them in person on Monday. What I can say now is that the final decision must be made by Kaka. That's what happened a few years ago with Andrei Shevchenko. When we received Chelsea's staggering offer, I told him to make the final decision".

So if Kaka leaves, it will be pinned on him because he supposedly wanted out

I hope he comes out and says either he is not leaving or that he was forced with no choice.

Now that Maldini has retired and he is on the verge of becoming Milan's captain, why would he leave

He is being paid 9 million a season and is loved worldwide by every milan supporter.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 10:35 AM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 4 2009, 02:03 PM)

So if Kaka leaves, it will be pinned on him because he wanted out

Honestly, Silvio thinks anyone believes this? "Kaka will have the final say" my ****.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 10:35 AM

QUOTE

I insist!

In August 2006 he was 26 years old (was born May 6, 1980), not that it really matters. Well it was 20m actually as Vogel went the other way, I had forgotten about that.

My apologies, I thought he was 25 and then turned 26.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 10:39 AM

QUOTE

AS reports: Kaka: If I had to leave Milan, it would be nice to play at Real.

Latest headlines.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 10:43 AM

QUOTE

Real Madrid's new President Florentino Perez said on Spanish TV: "I want Kaka, Cristiano Ronaldo and Franck Ribery". According to media sources in Spain, Perez is tempted to offer 110 million euros to Manchester United for Ronaldo.

f****** c***. can't you just sign realistic players and develop them like everyone else

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 4 2009, 10:47 AM

QUOTE

According to media sources in Spain, Perez is tempted to offer 110 million euros to Manchester United for Ronaldo.

So he's willing to pay nine figures for Christie Brinkley and only 68 million for Kaka? The world's gone mad, I tell you.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 10:50 AM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jun 4 2009, 03:47 AM)

So he's willing to pay nine figures for Christie Brinkley and only 68 million for Kaka? The world's gone mad, I tell you.

your absoloutley right. Where is this money coming from. Not even those crazy sheiks are talking figures like this!

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 4 2009, 11:12 AM

Here's the latest fecal material from Berlu, courtesy of our favorite manure farmers.

QUOTE

Milan Chief Silvio Berlusconi: It Will Be Kaka’s Decision To Join Real Madrid
The president admits the money will be hard to resist, but the final decision lies with Kaka...

Milan president Silvio Berlusconi has revealed he will follow the rulebook regarding major transfers at the club by leaving the decision to Kaka. Berlusconi has compared the possible Real Madrid switch with Andriy Shevchenko's move to Chelsea in 2006.

The Brazilian has been edging closer to Real Madrid and new details that have emerged in the Spanish press overnight have claimed Kaka told Brazilian team-mates that he will be happy joining los Merengues.

Despite reports claiming a deal is as good as done, Berlusconi has taken the cautious approach, revealing he has not made a decision to sell as he awaits a Monday meeting with Kaka and vice president Adriano Galliani.

The Rossoneri chief admits the money on offer will make it difficult to keep Kaka, but that does not mean he is certain to leave.

"There is a system at Milan, which has been applied on other occasions, like Shevchenko," Berlusconi told Canale Italia on Thursday morning.

"There is absolutely no decision in place and I have told Kaka and Galliani not to assume a decision is in place until I have dinner with them on Monday.

"When someone offered Shevchenko all the money we told him he was free to do what he wanted, it will be the same with Kaka."

Berlusconi also talked of Carlo Ancelotti's exit, claiming the coach didn't follow his policies on how football should be played at Milan.

"Milan have lost this season because in certain games the tactics which I had advised were not implemented," added Berlusconi.

"Many players like Ronaldinho were unable to express themselves."

Salvatore Landolina, Goal.com

Yeah, dinner at McDonald's, perhaps, because we're so in debt that they're dumping Kaka. And the quote about Carlo defies explanation.

Go coach the team yourself if you think you have all the answers, Berlu. That is when you're not busy coring Dinho up the rear to the media.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 11:18 AM

So I will do the honor of showing everyone how this transfer is going to be played.

If kaka goes he will be forced to say it was his decision and it will be for the better of the club as we can spend on new transfers and etc, but we will be losing a great player.

If he decides to stay, silvio can come out and say now that they have kept a great champion and they cannot sign any more players because of the debt. It will be like Kaka is our new signing.

Either way its a lose situation for fans. I gotta hand it to silvio and galliani, they are absoloute genius master minds. Who could have guessed that a plot like this could have been planned before the market could even begin

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jun 4 2009, 11:34 AM

most likly on monday kaka will leave for madrid or there is a minor chance that he mite be made milan captain imo

Posted by: Rivaldo Jun 4 2009, 11:50 AM

We just want to sell our best player for money? Is our name - Valencia?? Even Roma with own debts refuses to sell Mexes....

I hate Galliani and Berlusconi....

Hope tiffosi will do smth.

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jun 4 2009, 12:04 PM

QUOTE (Rivaldo @ Jun 4 2009, 11:50 AM)

We just want to sell our best player for money? Is our name - Valencia?? Even Roma with own debts refuses to sell Mexes....

I hate Galliani and Berlusconi....

Hope tiffosi will do smth.

Oh don't worry, I'm sure galliani will get his rewards on his flight back

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 4 2009, 12:10 PM

Maybe you guys should take over?

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 12:13 PM

Milan vice president Adriano Galliani has admitted that star player Kaka will leave the club for Real Madrid as he fears for the future of Serie A.

The transfer guru believes that Italy cannot compete with Spain and England financially, and he is predicting many more great players to leave the peninsula over the next few years.

"There is a deal in place for Kaka [to join Real Madrid] but it has not been concluded yet," said Galliani, as reported by Sky Italia.

"I don't know if Kaka will stay. The only deal in place is for Kaka. No one else will leave and we are sure Pato will not depart.

"It's true, this is the first time Milan are selling a player for money. But remember, the club makes half of what Madrid makes as the taxes in Italy are higher.

"Over the next few years we will see lots of important players being sold in Serie A.

"I am sorry for the fans and I know they are upset, but I can promise that Pato will not be sold. [Chelsea manager] Ancelotti is a friend and he will not ask us for players."

Kaka's transfer to Real Madrid is expected to be completed early next week, probably Monday.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 12:13 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 4 2009, 05:10 AM)

Maybe you guys should take over?

no need we have an arab ready to do so.

Posted by: dst Jun 4 2009, 12:41 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 4 2009, 02:10 PM)

Maybe you guys should take over?

It's not about that. No one said that he/she can do better than our board. It's easy to spot mistakes when you're on the outside or after they have happened and our board like all human beings do make mistakes. The thing is, they have made too many mistakes as of late and that's why we finish 4th and celebrate like we have won the championship!

What's more puzzling though is that we're the only club talking about taxes and stuff when it's our own president that's the prime minister of Italy. He probably would have changed things if he could but it's quite ironic and a bit annoying hearing these things only from our vice-president's mouth.

Posted by: mallamkay Jun 4 2009, 02:00 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 2 2009, 07:48 PM)

I can't see why Galliani should not be there or that he can't be for any other reason. Everything's pretty normal in my opinion. Guys, relax! if they wanna make a transfer they can do it before we learn a thing about it, Galliani being there means nothing at all.

If Kaka leaves Milan, I would prefer him in Madrid than Chelsea or City. It would be painful but we would cope.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 4 2009, 02:02 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 09:05 AM)

The CL victory was an excuse for staying inactive in the transfer window. It justified our abstinence and the board used that victory to say "we're fine as we are". A year without trophies would have triggered at least a couple of changes in the squad which would be enough for Milan to reach 4th place at least. No changes were made and the result of that was Milan finishing 5th place. The CL is huge money which not even the Ronaldinho and Beckham brands could cover as it is proved now.

We get what we deserve.

100% agree with you on that. I always said that the CL win was both a blessing and a curse. It's sad for me as a fan to think of a CL win that way, but this is only because our management are the way they are.

Monday will be a sad day both for Milan and Italian football. Kaka, then Ibra...

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jun 4 2009, 09:20 AM)

First example I thought of, so don't feed me to the lions.

But now that you mention it, Juve survived just fine after dumping Zidane (they later signed some guy named Buffon), so there's no reason why we can't. It was Calciopoli that did them more damage than anything.

You're assuming that we'll do as Juve did and spend that transfer money on new quality players. But that is clearly not the case, as dst said, this transfer is happening for financial reasons not footballing ones.

You think we're going to go out there and get the next Buffon? Get a world class CB? No we'll stay as we are with Abbiati and Dida and Favalli and Bonera in defence. We're perfect as we are we have no problems.

Then watch them go out and spend a ridiculous ammount on a mediocre player like Adebayour. You know a couple of years ago I haled our management as one of the most cunning and shrewed when it came to transfers, let's not forget the great deals made for Pippo, Nesta, Seedorf and Pirlo we really stuck it to Inter with latter 2 of the 4. But now they've become slow operators, willing to spend big money on players that are not worth half that, not going after the players we need instead they're going after flashy options to sell shirts and memrobilia.

I'm sorry but since the Sheva sale it's like they've been on a mission to run Milan into the ground and make it a laughing stock.

Posted by: pacang Jun 4 2009, 02:13 PM

i can't believe this.. the first man in the club is the prime minister of the country..

yet the second man keeps complaining about taxes and our income..

first time we sell a player for money? are we suppose to be proud of that?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 4 2009, 02:14 PM

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jun 4 2009, 04:11 AM)

As it is very easy looking at positives, and not looking at a real light, then moaning about others opinions without much backing up.

I mean, this is an Internet forum, we're all sat behind our computers/hand-held devices stating opinions

that's just quite a stupid comment.

I'm pretty sure, I mentioned downfall, which I guess if you look at stats over the last few seasons is true. I said we are streets behind United, Barca, etc which you have admitted is true. We are not what we were in the early 90's! That can't be argued with.

I didn't say we were useless, rubbish or anything like it seems you have interpreted me into saying! I guess the truth hurts for all of us, especially when stated so bluntly.

Yes Ash, I think I tend to forget I'm on an internet forum ... And I wasn't directing that at you, I was just pissed at some of what was written.

My point was that the issue Galliani raised is a pure fact, and it is not just affecting football in Italy, but several other sectors in Italy. To amplify it, Italian clubs can not compete with their counterparts in Europe .. This is a reality that no one is taking into account. It is not rocket science, Galliani has been saying this for the past four years. Yet it is being discounted here and in most cases marginalized.

My point is, take a look at this random post here :

QUOTE

No lol. Galliani already said the money will be used for a great attacker. So i'm guessing 30 mil max and the rest into silvio's pockets.

This is exactly what I mean by 'easy to sit behind a computer, etc etc'

I am not implying anything ... I just wish people would either stick to rationality or remain irrational throughout their argument.

As for the downfall, yes it is evident, but that is only normal because it is an issue that is affecting all of Italy.

And some assume that selling the club would be beneficial to the club ... But if you consider the situation, as Galliani described it, no one seems keen to invest in Italian clubs. Unlike England, where the income is magnified to that in Italy. But then again, this is an internet forum and you totally have a point in that

Posted by: dst Jun 4 2009, 02:38 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 4 2009, 04:14 PM)

My point was that the issue Galliani raised is a pure fact, and it is not just affecting football in Italy, but several other sectors in Italy. To amplify it, Italian clubs can not compete with their counterparts in Europe .. This is a reality that no one is taking into account. It is not rocket science, Galliani has been saying this for the past four years. Yet it is being discounted here and in most cases marginalized.

This is ridiculous. We're talking about Europe? We cannot even compete in Italy for God's sake, is that because Spanish clubs have it easier!????? Galliani is the only representative of any Italian club that speaks about this and he does it with ever single chance! Don't you wonder why this happens?

Posted by: Habitant Jun 4 2009, 02:59 PM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jun 4 2009, 06:46 AM)

Kaka has been flirting with RM for about four seasons now, so who's to say that he won't take the plunge this time?

He told Man City to go to hell because he knew better than to go to a Premier League bottom-scraper. Madrid is a whole different kettle of fish (or is that fishdolls?) altogether.

oh come on, the only ones flirting are galliani and silvio, they get hard just thinking of all that money. they've been quoted several times saying they consider/considred selling him.

Posted by: Habitant Jun 4 2009, 03:08 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 11:41 AM)

It's not about that. No one said that he/she can do better than our board. It's easy to spot mistakes when you're on the outside or after they have happened and our board like all human beings do make mistakes. The thing is, they have made too many mistakes as of late and that's why we finish 4th and celebrate like we have won the championship!

What's more puzzling though is that we're the only club talking about taxes and stuff when it's our own president that's the prime minister of Italy. He probably would have changed things if he could but it's quite ironic and a bit annoying hearing these things only from our vice-president's mouth.

hehe i've seen a lil too much of that lately.

at the end of the day and this is universally true in business, you cant expect to grow or even retain your level of prominance by sitting on ur ***. you just cant allow for things to get stangnet.

when we had money before and immediately after athens we had money to spend, the year after as well, but then we find ways to splurge on r20

the real problem is POOOR MANAGMENT, just look the past 6 years players and our transfers (in and out). the only smart moves have been ones driven by leo.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 03:14 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 05:08 PM)

This is ridiculous. We're talking about Europe? We cannot even compete in Italy for God's sake, is that because Spanish clubs have it easier!????? Galliani is the only representative of any Italian club that speaks about this and he does it with ever single chance! Don't you wonder why this happens?

dst, you already know the truth of the matter.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 4 2009, 03:30 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 4 2009, 02:55 AM)

****note: sorry for grammar and spelling errors...

I dont agree. Its not "his" club. Yes he does fund the club but he gets his share out of it as well. Also I am thankful to him for what hes done, but i'm also sick and tired of his regime and the board in which he controls. Football is a business as much as it is a sport. They must be maintained in equal harmony for success to be achieved.

At this time we have been too busy trying to fix the business side of the team that the sporting side has suffered dearly. When we did have money, we made poor investment choices and have caused ourselves to be in this mess.

ex: beckham, sheva, oliveria, borriello, and all the co ownerships that i'm sure no one wants.

We should have sacked carlo last year, but we chose not to. If that isn't rubbish enough, we gave him a player he did not want and in the end wasted 21 million as he sat on the bench. There are many more examples, which i'm sure you know and i don't need to go on listing. Now we have hired an inexperienced coach who could either do great or put our team at a great risk, when we could have gone for the experienced choice like rijkaard.

Right now because of these poor choices we have no choice but to sell our best in order to fix our situation. The only reason we are selling Kaka is because he is the most expensive player. It doesn't matter who it is, it could have been pato or pirlo or even the great paolo if this occured 10-15 years ago.

This for me is not acceptable. It was "his" fault that we have plumited to this mess. "his" fault for not investing properly when he had the opportunity to deal with this. "his" fault why we have gone from the world's greatest club to a 4th position mess every year. So now i'm assuming because of "his" mistakes, he will fix it with "his" own money and not sacrificing someone like Kaka in order to fix it.

If he won't , then I want him out. Silvio is great but not greater than Milan. I would rather have arab owners than silvio at this point. At least I know we won't turn into a selling club, selling our best players. We are the laughing stock of europe because of this GREAT SILVIO.

Ok Blue ...

Lets stick to rational here, you have stated several points which (I assume) bother you and probably a lot of others.

Okay, let it be noted that Silvio has gained from Milan over the years, but not as much financially as politically. Why not financially ? Because football in Italy is kinda like pouring water into a pierced bucket. Cash, to some extent, is not generated at the same rate as it used to. Football is a business and it is categorized under entertainment. But again, in Italy it is not as BIG an industry as say England or Spain, where their bottom line is significantly better. Milan, as a club is profitable. But it is not generating cash at the end of the year, hence Silvio comes in (most likely through Fininvest) and injects more cash to keep the club running. This cycle has been going on for sometime now in order to keep Milan as a European giant.

Why doesn't Silvio sell the club ? I have no idea other than his affection towards it. An Arab, Russian, Persian .. They are better off buying into an EPL club than an Italian. (In fact, I read this editorial once about Sheikh Mansour's acquisition of City, he was interested in Roma, but after doing a feasibility study they backed off). As things stand Milan really is his club, and there is very little you or I could do protesting against it. He did after all, take Milan through several cycles in which the trophy cabinet at Via Turati bears the fruits of his success as President.

Were some of Milan's purchases bad ? Yes, some of them were, over the span of 22 years. But most of them proved to be fruitful. It is not a matter of, Milan sell Sheva for 30MM, hence 30MM is going to be spent on a replacement. 30MM has to be filtered, and divided into expenses and dues .. Whatever is left over, is (in a simplified scenario) used to finance the purchase of player X. Hence, it is not as simple as a,b,c ... It incorporates a lot of elements, that we are not exposed to.

I feel your sorrow, I really do ... As a fan, you want to see Milan on top of the pile, as do every single one of us in here ... You say Paolo could have been sold 10-15 years ago !? 10-15 years ago my friend, Serie A was the top league in Europe. It was kinda like what the EPL is today, much more lucrative in all aspects. And Paolo was targeted by Madrid during those times, Milan didn't budge, on the contrary Milan where in a better position financially, as was the whole league at the time, but that was then.

Today, Milan has to sell Kaka' ... It is inevitable. The quoted 70MM pounds is a mind boggling number, which could be put towards funding the club in all its aspects. My reasoning for it that Kaka' is 27 now ... He roughly has two more years left in him - as his attributes depend on speed & agility - and from then on he wont be worth 70MM. So, considering this, the management has been shrewd in the timing of the sale. Considering Milan needs the money to build a competitive team.

As for Carlo, he is gone now. Fillipo's sig describes this scenario pretty well, 'We can't behave like crocodiles and cry over spilled milk and broken eggs'. I consider Carlo to be one of the best managers that have trained Milan, and I'm saddened by his departure as he brought the team a lot of success when he took the reins. And cheer up, Leo is a rookie coach, but so were Sacchi & Capello.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 4 2009, 03:33 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 04:38 PM)

This is ridiculous. We're talking about Europe? We cannot even compete in Italy for God's sake, is that because Spanish clubs have it easier!????? Galliani is the only representative of any Italian club that speaks about this and he does it with ever single chance! Don't you wonder why this happens?

Why does it happen ?

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 03:43 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 4 2009, 07:00 PM)

Why doesn't Silvio sell the club ? I have no idea other than his affection towards it. An Arab, Russian, Persian .. They are better off buying into an EPL club than an Italian.

An American would be a more appropriate example don't you think

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 4 2009, 03:45 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 4 2009, 05:43 PM)

An American would be a more appropriate example don't you think

Well, I was thinking of the Shah at the time

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 03:49 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 4 2009, 07:15 PM)

Well, I was thinking of the Shah at the time

He owned a club or something?

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 4 2009, 03:57 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 4 2009, 05:49 PM)

He owned a club or something?

AC Bushehr ?

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 03:58 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 4 2009, 07:27 PM)

AC Bushehr ?

LOL I really don't know!

Posted by: KillerMax Jun 4 2009, 04:18 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 4 2009, 01:58 AM)

from the man himself, its official.

No, Galliani we don't understand. We don't understand why players like kaladze, Dida etc are getting 77k a week for doing jack s***. We don't understand why sheva was brought here when everyone could see he was a finished player. We don't understand why Ronaldinho was bought for 21 million when that money could been easily spent somewhere else and could have brought 100x more benefit. We don't understand why our youth products like abate, paloschi and etc have to be sent out on stupid co-ownerships that in the end cause us to lose money. We don't understand how you could loan a player like Gourcuff out and put such a lowe clause like 15 million on him when you could easily see that he had the potential to become great. We don't understand why you have waited until there is no other choice to sack the coach who was finished 2 seasons ago.

We don't understand why you continually choose to invest in veteran players who have at maximum 1 or 2 years to give when success comes from a balance of great youth and great veterans. We don't understand how you continually boast about Milan being a family like club who defends its players, when Maldini had to go through that abysmal event without any support from the club. We don't understand why you are selling our best player to fix the mess caused by silvio and you. We don't understand how you can justify these things so easily with such foolish statements such as italian football is in a mess when other clubs are easily double or tripling our spending.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Posted by: 6Best Jun 4 2009, 04:41 PM

QUOTE (Goal.com)

Real Madrid Stunned By Kaka's Demands - Report
Greed is taking its toll as Kaka's father is asking the impossible from Real Madrid...

Kaka's alleged move to Real Madrid was well on the way of being wrapped earlier today as AC Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani publicly declared that the Brazilian is most likely to leave Italy, whereas president Silvio Berlusconi said that the move was up to the player himself.

After the two clubs agreed a fee of €65 million, conflict has now arisen between Real Madrid and Kaka's representatives, who are making astronomical demands.

According to British paper The Mirror, Kaka's agent and father, Bosco Leite, is supposedly asking for a personal commission of €11.5 million, a sum that Real Madrid president Florentino Perez thinks is much too high.

Leite is also demanding a signing-on-fee of an additional €11.5 million, plus a transfer and €1.5 million for Kaka's younger brother Digao. This would make Real Madrid pay a total €89.5 million, a sum that would break the bank as the highest transfer in history.

Real Madrid have been taken aback after receiving these outrageous demands, and are unlikely to accede to the terms of the deal. Should this be the case, then Kaka will remain at Milan, having already declared earlier this week that he wants to stay put at his current club.

Kaka is in Brazil with the national team preparing for a World Cup Qualifier against Uruguay, and has not been given permission to leave the country to sign any deals.

He has also refused to make any comments about his situation, but the Spanish press are adamant that Kaka indeed wants Madrid, declaring to his friends, "Everything is almost done. I know that I will be going to Madrid. I am very happy."

The final decision concerning Kaka's future is expected to be revealed on Monday.

I love his father .

Posted by: IoRDanCHo Jun 4 2009, 05:50 PM

Silvio, does not care for the club as he did before. The only thing that he is thinking now are money! I am sad that KaKa is leaving, but I am really mad that after we sell him, we will not buy anyone even half good as KaKa. I wish we buy Tevez and Ronnie gets to his shape when he played for Barca and with Pato, It'll be great!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 4 2009, 05:54 PM

"Milan cannot lose €70 million every year"

Not sure I understand this comment from Galiani. Is he saying that since we're making a huge loss every year, we need to sell Kaka'? If so, if we're continually making this loss, does that mean we'll have to sell another top player to counter this loss? Not good.

Posted by: Habitant Jun 4 2009, 05:55 PM

^^ because were surely going to recover by selling our stars, great way promote the club and generate more revenue.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 06:03 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 4 2009, 09:24 PM)

"Milan cannot lose €70 million every year"

Not sure I understand this comment from Galiani. Is he saying that since we're making a huge loss every year, we need to sell Kaka'? If so, if we're continually making this loss, does that mean we'll have to sell another top player to counter this loss? Not good.

I think it's bad translation. he meant Milan cannot resist mega offers in each transfer window i.e. we finally have to sell and cash in that money.

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RATIONALITY AND EMOTION

6/4/2009 5:52:00 PM

Silvio Berlusconi speaks: 'Me and Kaká will speak on Monday. Not everything has been decided yet, inside of me I still hope for a surprise. But football has never been centered on this or that player.'

MILAN - Silvio Berlusconi speaks. The Milan president talked about the current topics at Milan: here are his main declarations of today to Mediaset's microphones.

"Football should be rationality and emotion. You can't take a decision only with reasoning, also because as you know I follow Erasmus of Rotterdam who said that the most right decisions are not the ones that come from intelligence, but those that come from a kind of visionary madness.'

'The Kaká case is quite complicated. Reason goes in one direction, sentiment goes the other way. Then there's Kaká's interest, as with Shevchenko, who was and still is a good friend of mine. When they offered him a bigger fee, I decided I could not oppose myself. We could not raise his salary the way Chelsea would with their offer, because by law we would have had to raise the salaries of all our players and this would have brought Milan to suffer heavy losses or to go bankrupt.
Already today we presented a balance with heavy losses over the years, because petrol dollars have entered football and some Russian personalities too. Going on like this there won't be a chance to have balanced accounts. We have to say stop to craziness and work by staying careful of the balances. We will reason on this. If aside from this, Kaká made it clear that they would pay him better we would leave it up to him. Me and Kaká have made an appointment for a long phone call on Monday. Not everything has been decided yet, inside of me I still hope for a surprise. Inside of me I hope.

'I don't want to hear talk of a redimensioned Milan, which is still the most winning club in the world. It's unthinkable that we would have to give up on our mission of being in command of the pitch and of the football. The mission will not change. Football has never been centered on this or that player. There are many good players. Milan will have to look for a true striker who would make us improve in quality going forward. I won't name names, or else the prices will increase...'

'Only Kaká is currently uncertain of staying, Pato, Seedorf and Pirlo are unsellable. We will renew Ambrosini's contract and he'll be our captain.'

'Ancelotti? There are cycles, then you have to change. There are some seasons where you have to say 'stop' and change. Leonardo will repeat the journey of Fabio Capello. I had seen excellent qualities in Capello as a manager, as a man and as a motivator. We made him start as a manager, then he went to coach youths, and then in the end, when we felt he was ready, we made him the coach, with the results we all know. The new coach will bring new ambition and excitement to Milan, we will aim for new targets with him. Carlo Ancelotti will do fine at Chelsea.'

'I told Cristiano Ronaldo that I would like to see him as a Rossonero and he looked at me... Who doesn't like Milan? All players would like to come to Milan.'

Ambro to be the next captain.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 4 2009, 06:09 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 4 2009, 06:03 PM)

I think it's bad translation. he meant Milan cannot resist mega offers in each transfer window i.e. we finally have to sell and cash in that money.

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Ambro to be the next captain.

Super Ambro!

Posted by: Rivaldo Jun 4 2009, 06:18 PM

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 07:15 PM

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Milan Do Not Need Any Other Players - Berlusconi

Berlusconi believes that the Rossoneri are already strong enough as they are, even with the departure of their star player Kaka.

Milan president Silvio Berlusconi is set to anger the fans further with the latest declarations that he is happy with the current Milan squad.

Berlusconi is not even pondering to sign any new player, especially in the fragile defence, despite the retirement of Paolo Maldini.

However, the Italian prime minister tried to reassure the supporters that they have nothing to worry about as Milan will be as strong as ever next season.

"I like Milan as it is," declared the Milan president to Sky Sport 24. "I think that with the great number of champions we can put on the pitch, we don't need anyone else.

"The Milan fans can sleep comfortably: we will give Leonardo a squad full of great champions, where we don't need any new players in the defensive department. We count on the return of [Kakha] Kaladze and [Alessandro] Nesta."

The 200 Milan fans protesting in Via Turati will most likely not agree with Berlusconi and, on the contrary, be even more enraged with these latest comments that the Rossoneri do not need any new players following the probable departure of Kaka.

Does Silvio live in cloud cuckoo land or what?

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Ultras threaten Kaka boycott

Thursday 4 June, 2009

While the transfer to Real Madrid looks imminent, the Rossoneri fans are still trying their best to stop Kaka from leaving San Siro.

The Ultras, who have already shown their anger against the Board in recent weeks, are currently protesting in front of Milan’s headquarters.

The fans are also claiming they will vote against Silvio Berlusconi at the next elections if Kaka leaves. “I will vote Podestà (Berlusconi’s candidate) only if we keep Kaka,” claim several placards.

The group of around 300 are being controlled by local police who, despite the tense atmosphere, are reporting no security problems.

The banners send clear messages to the Rossoneri hierarchy. “If you sell Kaka, you sell the club”, “President: before lots of honours, now disappointment only” and “Who sells Kaka will pay for it” are some of the other slogans.

Deja vu?

Do we have to go through all this every time this damned transfer window opens?

Posted by: Rivaldo Jun 4 2009, 07:31 PM

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A guidare la protesta c'era anche uno dei leader storici della curva sud, Giancarlo Capelli, per tutti i tifosi il Barone (tra l'altro oggetto di Daspo), secondo il quale Kaka' vorrebbe rimanere al Milan ma e' stata la societa' a metterlo in vendita. ''Me lo ha detto lui stesso al telefono - ha raccontato Capelli mostrando sul display del cellulare una telefonata ricevuta dal brasiliano poco prima delle 15 -. Abbiamo parlato circa 5 minuti e mi ha detto che si e' sentito abbandonato dalla societa'. Mi ha detto che voleva restare ma il Milan lo ha messo in vendita''.

http://www.sportmediaset.it/mercato/articoli/articolo24055.shtml?refresh_cens

I'll try to translate...

Capelli, leader of Curva Sud, showed display of his phone, where is call that was 15 minutes ago and he said: "I spoke with Kaka for 5 minutes. He said me again that he not want to go away, but he is very sad because he is not "not for sale" anymore - club don't want him and ready to sell".

Damn....I hate Berlu and bold idiot Galliani....

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 4 2009, 07:37 PM

QUOTE (Rivaldo @ Jun 4 2009, 11:31 AM)

Capelli, leader of Curva Sud, showed display of his phone, where is call that was 15 minutes ago and he said: "I spoke with Kaka for 5 minutes. He said me again that he not want to go away, but he is very sad because he is not "not for sale" anymore - club don't want him and ready to sell".

This story also appeared on R&B and I think it's a load of crap. If Kaka wouldn't speak publicly about this whole mess before, no way he's going to suddenly spill his guts to some ultras member. And if he felt betrayed, he'd have told B&G to go to hell and jumped aboard the S.S. Madrid in the blink of an eye. It would be like staying at your job even though your boss has made it more than clear that he'd like you fired.

This "story" was reported on Mediaset, which probably means that Berlu wants to make Kaka the bad guy while making himself look like a martyr.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 4 2009, 07:39 PM

Everyone knows he wants to stay at Milan. how many times does he have to say that?

The club need the money so he has to accept this transfer. it surely won't be the end of the world in Madrid for him but staying at Milan is obviously his first priority.

Silvio's recent interview has given me a slight hope that he might remain. we'll see what happens on Monday but I think he's 80% Madrid's.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Jun 4 2009, 07:55 PM

the man city thing was a joke and an exaggeration, but think of how that whole illusion of "100M for kaka" (it was actually 50M) turned into the catalyst to sell him to real madrid. Berlu has wanted to sell kaka during this summer since at least the january transfer window.

Posted by: A.X Jun 4 2009, 08:03 PM

i hope milan sell seedorf and pirlo .. ( follow ancellotti ) ,.... and i hope pato stays ... i hope the new coach leonardo is gd for milan and especialy ronaldinho and i hope kaka stay ( it's too far because of money needed ... for the fuc**** president .... selling a young player and one of the best... and leaving old bitches like seedorf and pirlo ... heh .... and kalazde on the denfence ... do u (berluscuni) think that kaladze is a gd denfender ... that realy sucks ... and nesta is old and needs a lot get to his best... heh ... i hope milan play tiago silva ... and senderos ... and get denfenders... )

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 08:36 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 4 2009, 08:30 AM)

Ok Blue ...

Lets stick to rational here, you have stated several points which (I assume) bother you and probably a lot of others.

Okay, let it be noted that Silvio has gained from Milan over the years, but not as much financially as politically. Why not financially ? Because football in Italy is kinda like pouring water into a pierced bucket. Cash, to some extent, is not generated at the same rate as it used to. Football is a business and it is categorized under entertainment. But again, in Italy it is not as BIG an industry as say England or Spain, where their bottom line is significantly better. Milan, as a club is profitable. But it is not generating cash at the end of the year, hence Silvio comes in (most likely through Fininvest) and injects more cash to keep the club running. This cycle has been going on for sometime now in order to keep Milan as a European giant.

Why doesn't Silvio sell the club ? I have no idea other than his affection towards it. An Arab, Russian, Persian .. They are better off buying into an EPL club than an Italian. (In fact, I read this editorial once about Sheikh Mansour's acquisition of City, he was interested in Roma, but after doing a feasibility study they backed off). As things stand Milan really is his club, and there is very little you or I could do protesting against it. He did after all, take Milan through several cycles in which the trophy cabinet at Via Turati bears the fruits of his success as President.

Were some of Milan's purchases bad ? Yes, some of them were, over the span of 22 years. But most of them proved to be fruitful. It is not a matter of, Milan sell Sheva for 30MM, hence 30MM is going to be spent on a replacement. 30MM has to be filtered, and divided into expenses and dues .. Whatever is left over, is (in a simplified scenario) used to finance the purchase of player X. Hence, it is not as simple as a,b,c ... It incorporates a lot of elements, that we are not exposed to.

I feel your sorrow, I really do ... As a fan, you want to see Milan on top of the pile, as do every single one of us in here ... You say Paolo could have been sold 10-15 years ago !? 10-15 years ago my friend, Serie A was the top league in Europe. It was kinda like what the EPL is today, much more lucrative in all aspects. And Paolo was targeted by Madrid during those times, Milan didn't budge, on the contrary Milan where in a better position financially, as was the whole league at the time, but that was then.

Today, Milan has to sell Kaka' ... It is inevitable. The quoted 70MM pounds is a mind boggling number, which could be put towards funding the club in all its aspects. My reasoning for it that Kaka' is 27 now ... He roughly has two more years left in him - as his attributes depend on speed & agility - and from then on he wont be worth 70MM. So, considering this, the management has been shrewd in the timing of the sale. Considering Milan needs the money to build a competitive team.

As for Carlo, he is gone now. Fillipo's sig describes this scenario pretty well, 'We can't behave like crocodiles and cry over spilled milk and broken eggs'. I consider Carlo to be one of the best managers that have trained Milan, and I'm saddened by his departure as he brought the team a lot of success when he took the reins. And cheer up, Leo is a rookie coach, but so were Sacchi & Capello.

You have very good points my friend.

Most of it one cannot deny and are very true in our club's case, however:

***note: sorry for grammar and spelling mistakes

I just have a few comment to make. I don't understand how morratti can keep Inter at the top and continually support the club while Milan cannot do so. I thought Silvio was richer, smarter in the business sense and 10x the owner that Morratti is, however with his comments these days I really doubt this.

Bottom line R7 is that we have to face the music. Just like italian football has changed, Milan has changed. From the players to the owner. We used to be a top class club with a top class owner, top class management and top class players. Now we are about the same level as fiorentina, therefore things have to be changed in all sectors.

Eventhough, you feel that it is unfair to scrutinize Silvio like this because of all he has done, you have to understand that there comes a time like the coach, the owner has to go. If Kaka is sold and we do not sign player(s) to cover his calibre, I believe it will be silvio's last year. Fans and club supporters can no longer stand for the bs he has been spewing out for these last few years. Yes it is a business, but football also must be maintained in equal harmony. When we have Kaka, there is no need to go out and spend 21 million on Ronaldinho. He could have spent the money on purchasing a defender who could have been great by now.

Furthermore,

Yes it is his club, however, however this is not a mediaset or finnivest, its a football club. The Club income depends on ticket sales and product sales in which the footballing aspect must equal the business aspect in order for healthy revenue to occur. The customers right now feel the footballing aspect has declined over the years tremendously and with this sale another huge unfixable blow has occured.

I listed in my previous posts several mistakes the board and Silvio have done which i'm sure are the reason for the debt to have occured. The 60 million is from us not making the proper moves in the market to insure we keep CL football every season. If we couldn't do that, then we had to fire the coach and bring in change because it was clear we as a team could no longer compete with others for the championship. Right now he has made this choice, however its a little too late. We changed our coach. We will not invest as he feels the club is in a good position to compete. He has become dillusional and has lost his ways, that is why I call for change. Also there is an arab willing to buy this club, however Silvio is reluctant to sell.

What i'm trying to say R7 is this: People need to be held accountable for their mistakes. No one is bigger than this club and no one owns this club. Silvio runs this club, however he does not own the city of milan or its football team. We can force him out, there is no doubt about that. However, there are many like you who feel he can turn this around and that is why he is still in charge but that number is getting lower by the day. I enjoy your optimism, but just like us being linked to CR7, your optimism is nothing but fantasy. At the rate we are going, we will drop far from Juve and Inter and then changing club management may be a little too late.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 09:01 PM

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The President of Milan, Silvio Berlusconi, on the edge of the closing event of the election campaign to Palaghiaccio, responds this way to a journalist who asked him to transfer to Real Madrid Kakà: "There is still no sale."

Posted by: Rivaldo Jun 4 2009, 09:02 PM

Pics of Tiffosi protesting against sale of Kaka
http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=6716&view=findpost&p=211976

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 4 2009, 09:27 PM

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spalletti today:
"The fans? They should feel involved. Our fans have to be on our side, we have to tell them things correctly, because they are our primary strength."

God bless you.

Posted by: dst Jun 4 2009, 10:25 PM

QUOTE (Berlusconi)

"I like Milan as it is," declared the Milan president to Sky Sport 24. "I think that with the great number of champions we can put on the pitch, we don't need anyone else.

"The Milan fans can sleep comfortably: we will give Leonardo a squad full of great champions, where we don't need any new players in the defensive department. We count on the return of [Kakha] Kaladze and [Alessandro] Nesta."

OK now Kaka's sale would not be the end of the world but this... this is serious! He has to be kidding!!

Please someone defend him for this too, I beg you to do it!

Posted by: I_Rossoneri Jun 4 2009, 11:33 PM

Just found some interesting statistics regarding Kaka's true value to Milan:

This season Kaka' didn't play in 13 official matches for Milan (8 Serie A, 5 UEFA Cup). So these are the statistics from those matches:
- 4 wins (2 in Serie A, 2 in UEFA Cup)
- 3 draws (all in UEFA CUP, two against Werder!)
- 6 defeats (all in Serie A)

Now when we take a look at he table, with Kaka' in squad Milan played 30 games and won 20 matches, draw 8 times and lost only 2 matches; resulting with - 68 points.

Milan's final score in Serie A this season is: 38 matches played, 22 wins, 8 draws and 8 defeats(!) - which is equal to: 74 points.

Conclusion is that Milan has won only six points in eight games Kaka' didn't play in, and that talks how much he means to this team

No Kaka no Milan.

Posted by: weeeow Jun 4 2009, 11:37 PM

QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jun 4 2009, 11:33 PM)

Just found some interesting statistics regarding Kaka's true value to Milan:

This season Kaka' didn't play in 13 official matches for Milan (8 Serie A, 5 UEFA Cup). So these are the statistics from those matches:
- 4 wins (2 in Serie A, 2 in UEFA Cup)
- 3 draws (all in UEFA CUP, two against Werder!)
- 6 defeats (all in Serie A)

Now when we take a look at he table, with Kaka' in squad Milan played 30 games and won 20 matches, draw 8 times and lost only 2 matches; resulting with - 68 points.

Milan's final score in Serie A this season is: 38 matches played, 22 wins, 8 draws and 8 defeats(!) - which is equal to: 74 points.

Conclusion is that Milan has won only six points in eight games Kaka' didn't play in, and that talks how much he means to this team

No Kaka no Milan.

Wow. He really is the heart of Milan now Paolo has gone.

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 4 2009, 10:25 PM)

OK now Kaka's sale would not be the end of the world but this... this is serious! He has to be kidding!!

Please someone defend him for this too, I beg you to do it!

Well, there is no Emerson now...

Just joking, Silvio is in turmoil after commiting adultery with a teenager. What an ***.

Posted by: Habitant Jun 5 2009, 12:19 AM

it's simple silvio and fester lower our expectations regarding the transfer market so low that we scrounge and scrap and the slightest transfer move is hailed. he isnt dumb, how can we rely on an injured nesta and kalamity? then again he wasnt very astute in the first place in relying on them for the past season either (especially kakha). he just simply doesnt give a fck, he's priorities are to runt he country and make money, then again he wasnt always like that cuz he has been prime minister before and he dint allow that to effect the club that much. just this time around he doesnt really care that much about the club as he's allowed it to go in the shitter and just laughs and jokes about it.

Posted by: KillerMax Jun 5 2009, 02:40 AM

QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jun 4 2009, 05:33 PM)

Just found some interesting statistics regarding Kaka's true value to Milan:

This season Kaka' didn't play in 13 official matches for Milan (8 Serie A, 5 UEFA Cup). So these are the statistics from those matches:
- 4 wins (2 in Serie A, 2 in UEFA Cup)
- 3 draws (all in UEFA CUP, two against Werder!)
- 6 defeats (all in Serie A)

Now when we take a look at he table, with Kaka' in squad Milan played 30 games and won 20 matches, draw 8 times and lost only 2 matches; resulting with - 68 points.

Milan's final score in Serie A this season is: 38 matches played, 22 wins, 8 draws and 8 defeats(!) - which is equal to: 74 points.

Conclusion is that Milan has won only six points in eight games Kaka' didn't play in, and that talks how much he means to this team

No Kaka no Milan.

Thank you for those numbers. They truly speak for themselves. If Kaka leaves, we'll be just about a Roma level club. Only without the youth and enthusiasm.

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 5 2009, 06:39 AM

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"I like Milan as it is," declared the Milan president to Sky Sport 24. "I think that with the great number of champions we can put on the pitch, we don't need anyone else.

"The Milan fans can sleep comfortably: we will give Leonardo a squad full of great champions, where we don't need any new players in the defensive department. We count on the return of [Kakha] Kaladze and [Alessandro] Nesta."

This was quoted in Sky Sports. I've learned not to put anything past Berlu in the absurdity department, but how do we know these quotes weren't simply made up?

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 5 2009, 08:06 AM

QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Jun 5 2009, 02:03 AM)

Just found some interesting statistics regarding Kaka's true value to Milan:

This season Kaka' didn't play in 13 official matches for Milan (8 Serie A, 5 UEFA Cup). So these are the statistics from those matches:
- 4 wins (2 in Serie A, 2 in UEFA Cup)
- 3 draws (all in UEFA CUP, two against Werder!)
- 6 defeats (all in Serie A)

Now when we take a look at he table, with Kaka' in squad Milan played 30 games and won 20 matches, draw 8 times and lost only 2 matches; resulting with - 68 points.

Milan's final score in Serie A this season is: 38 matches played, 22 wins, 8 draws and 8 defeats(!) - which is equal to: 74 points.

Conclusion is that Milan has won only six points in eight games Kaka' didn't play in, and that talks how much he means to this team

No Kaka no Milan.

And these stats are from his worst season ever!

Thanks a lot. I wanted to make a similar post but I was too lazy to go look for the stats.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 5 2009, 08:51 AM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jun 4 2009, 11:39 PM)

This was quoted in Sky Sports. I've learned not to put anything past Berlu in the absurdity department, but how do we know these quotes weren't simply made up?

He actually came out and said them in an interview.

Posted by: A.X Jun 5 2009, 10:41 AM

kaladze ??? heh .... and nesta needs a lot to return to his best ... i hope milan will have a better denfence next season than this one ...

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 5 2009, 11:52 AM

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Blog: Don’t Duck out

Who would you be most disappointed to see leave Milan – Kaka or Alexandre Pato? Steve Wilson does not think the answer is as clear cut as you may think
So Real Madrid want Kaka and Chelsea want Alexandre Pato. It seems inevitable that one of the two will be waving goodbye to San Siro in the coming weeks, but which would be the bigger loss? One is 27-years-old, has a Ballon d’Or in his locker and would bring in – allegedly – £65m. The other is just 19, has been tipped to win the Golden Ball in the future and is reported to be carrying a £45m price-tag. Which deal should the Rossoneri usher through?

If Milan sell Kaka they have the harder task of filling the creative void left in their midfield. On the one hand it could be argued that without Kaka we would see the best of Ronaldinho. Another theory would be for them to capture Sampdoria fantasista Antonio Cassano. The third option is for new Coach Leonardo to call his scouts back home in South America to find the best ‘new Kaka’ – someone like Sao Paulo’s Oscar or River Plate’s Diego Buonanotte.

Remember, Kaka arrived at Milan for relative peanuts – just £7m paid to Sao Paulo back in 2003 – so if they can make a £58m profit on their investment and snap up the next big thing from South America for a fraction of that sum it has to be seen as good business. Kaka has won Serie A, he has won the Champions League and he has won the World Club Cup with the Diavolo. What more is there for him to achieve with them? Maybe he needs a new challenge.

I’ve also seen a new side to him in the last few days. His declarations that he wishes to stay in Milan, his ‘I Belong To Jesus’ t-shirts and his clean-cut, wholesome character say one thing, but the stories of a £10m pay-off to his father and the demands that his talentless brother Digão tag along with him to La Liga say another. Perhaps it is time to let him go to the glamour of the Bernabéu, a destination that would seemingly better befit his growing ego.

Pato, meanwhile, has it all still to do with Milan. Thus far he has no medals, but he has got 26 goals in 59 games. How many young stars arrive in Italy and fail to deliver the goods? ‘The Duck’ is clearly not in that category. He has proven his worth already in a struggling Rossoneri side. If some of the Kaka money can be reinvested in young, talented and hungry players then Leonardo has the chance to build his side for the future around Pato.

It was a major coup for the Via Turati outfit to beat off the West London Blues for Pato’s signature back in the summer of 2007. To have won that battle, seen what the kid can do and installed an exciting new boss from his homeland to mentor him it would now seem mad to let him go. The circumstances are there for him to flourish in Serie A, handing him over now would see Milan reduced to a feeder club – acclimatising the player to Europe before selling him on.

Paolo Maldini has retired, David Beckham has gone back to MLS, why not bite the bullet and let Kaka go too? Clear out the ‘old’ generation – although I know ‘Il Bambino d’Oro’ is no Grandpa at just 27 – and let a fresh, new Coach build a new, young side that can start a clean chapter in Milan’s proud history. The club has already let go of Yoann Gourcuff – who could have had a good crack at growing into Kaka’s boots – they simply mustn’t let another star prospect leave.

The old generation (of the midfield) consists of Pirlo, Gattuso, Seedorf, Ambrosini and Kaka. it can hardly be said we have cleared out the old generation by selling only Kaka, the youngest and arguably the best of them all. as of now, I don't think we're starting a new era at all. we're taking a step backwards. (unless a new midfielder that plays in the same position as Kaka comes).

Other than that, I personally agree that if we had to choose between selling Pato or Kaka, it'd better be Kaka.

Posted by: GonzZo Jun 5 2009, 12:20 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Jun 5 2009, 12:52 PM)

The old generation (of the midfield) consists of Pirlo, Gattuso, Seedorf, Ambrosini and Kaka. it can hardly be said we have cleared out the old generation by selling only Kaka, the youngest and arguably the best of them all. as of now, I don't think we're starting a new era at all. we're taking a step backwards. (unless a new midfielder that plays in the same position as Kaka comes).

Other than that, I personally agree that if we had to choose between selling Pato or Kaka, it'd better be Kaka.

Yea, no doubt in my mind that Pato would be the one that should stay. Interesting thoughts about Cassano, last season he was probably one of the best players in serie a, and he's obviously just hitting his peak. He doesn't seem as insane as he used to, but it would be up to Leonardo to decide wether or not he would be acceptable in the squad.

Posted by: Zed.D Jun 5 2009, 01:06 PM

I am one of those who believe in Cassano's greatness as a footballer, but his attitude... can Leonardo deal with it? wouldn't it unsettle the locker room? (he may not be at his most insane anymore but he's still pretty insane!)

Posted by: amancik Jun 5 2009, 02:50 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 4 2009, 10:30 PM)

Ok Blue ...

Lets stick to rational here, you have stated several points which (I assume) bother you and probably a lot of others.

Okay, let it be noted that Silvio has gained from Milan over the years, but not as much financially as politically. Why not financially ? Because football in Italy is kinda like pouring water into a pierced bucket. Cash, to some extent, is not generated at the same rate as it used to. Football is a business and it is categorized under entertainment. But again, in Italy it is not as BIG an industry as say England or Spain, where their bottom line is significantly better. Milan, as a club is profitable. But it is not generating cash at the end of the year, hence Silvio comes in (most likely through Fininvest) and injects more cash to keep the club running. This cycle has been going on for sometime now in order to keep Milan as a European giant.

Why doesn't Silvio sell the club ? I have no idea other than his affection towards it. An Arab, Russian, Persian .. They are better off buying into an EPL club than an Italian. (In fact, I read this editorial once about Sheikh Mansour's acquisition of City, he was interested in Roma, but after doing a feasibility study they backed off). As things stand Milan really is his club, and there is very little you or I could do protesting against it. He did after all, take Milan through several cycles in which the trophy cabinet at Via Turati bears the fruits of his success as President.

Were some of Milan's purchases bad ? Yes, some of them were, over the span of 22 years. But most of them proved to be fruitful. It is not a matter of, Milan sell Sheva for 30MM, hence 30MM is going to be spent on a replacement. 30MM has to be filtered, and divided into expenses and dues .. Whatever is left over, is (in a simplified scenario) used to finance the purchase of player X. Hence, it is not as simple as a,b,c ... It incorporates a lot of elements, that we are not exposed to.

I feel your sorrow, I really do ... As a fan, you want to see Milan on top of the pile, as do every single one of us in here ... You say Paolo could have been sold 10-15 years ago !? 10-15 years ago my friend, Serie A was the top league in Europe. It was kinda like what the EPL is today, much more lucrative in all aspects. And Paolo was targeted by Madrid during those times, Milan didn't budge, on the contrary Milan where in a better position financially, as was the whole league at the time, but that was then.

Today, Milan has to sell Kaka' ... It is inevitable. The quoted 70MM pounds is a mind boggling number, which could be put towards funding the club in all its aspects. My reasoning for it that Kaka' is 27 now ... He roughly has two more years left in him - as his attributes depend on speed & agility - and from then on he wont be worth 70MM. So, considering this, the management has been shrewd in the timing of the sale. Considering Milan needs the money to build a competitive team.

As for Carlo, he is gone now. Fillipo's sig describes this scenario pretty well, 'We can't behave like crocodiles and cry over spilled milk and broken eggs'. I consider Carlo to be one of the best managers that have trained Milan, and I'm saddened by his departure as he brought the team a lot of success when he took the reins. And cheer up, Leo is a rookie coach, but so were Sacchi & Capello.

I love Economics!

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 5 2009, 06:07 PM

There is only one R7....

Posted by: han2503 Jun 5 2009, 06:40 PM

@R7
Even though you do bring up some great points that I would agree with if circumstances were different, at some point you have to admit that our management have lately made some massive mistakes that should have not been done.

I agree with you about the money issue and the recession if this was just coming up these past 2 seasons, but Milan have been in dire need to get quality players for 4 years now, yet the management have been happy to rest on their laurels and do nothing but point to the trophy cabinet.

Our management was once the most ambitious, driven and cunning, now they've become complaicent, slow (when it comes to competing in the market of today), and just plain uninterested (Berlusconi). Milan has always been mainly a political tool for Berlu, he used it as a platform to jump start his political carreer, and has continued to use it when he needed a boost. Personally I had no problem with that, he made Milan great because of this. But now that he's gotten all that he can out of it, he's let Milan fend for itself, and now adays no football club can manage to do that. He only gets involved with Milan issues when there is a photo op up for grabs, that's when he shows his face and starts making all those self rightous statements...

Again if this sudden lack of ability to invest funds is just recession caused then how can you explain the fact that Milan have not made any worth while transfers since Nesta? That's a long time ago, we have not managed to remain competitve since 2004 mainly because of this. So don't tell me that the lack of investment in the club is because of this. It's just not a solid argument when you look at the entire picture and not just a small part of it.

Another point about our management. They have wasted money on transfers been forced to pay higher fees for players that are not worth those ammounts, made some horrible blunders (Yoann). And now they're turning Milan into a selling club, something they always swore they would never do.

You know they keep talking about how Milan is a family and all that, but I did not see Galliani speaking out against those Ultras who ruined Maldini's last home game, I also see them pushing Kaka out against his will for money.

At some point you just can't keep defending these people. Berlu and Galliani are who they are not because they're honest to God men. Berlu certainly isn't, and like I've said Berlusconi has always had something to gain out of Milan, so we can put him on that pedastal all we want but him spending all that cash to begin with didn't come just out of love for the club...

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 5 2009, 09:09 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 5 2009, 11:40 AM)

@R7
Even though you do bring up some great points that I would agree with if circumstances were different, at some point you have to admit that our management have lately made some massive mistakes that should have not been done.

I agree with you about the money issue and the recession if this was just coming up these past 2 seasons, but Milan have been in dire need to get quality players for 4 years now, yet the management have been happy to rest on their laurels and do nothing but point to the trophy cabinet.

Our management was once the most ambitious, driven and cunning, now they've become complaicent, slow (when it comes to competing in the market of today), and just plain uninterested (Berlusconi). Milan has always been mainly a political tool for Berlu, he used it as a platform to jump start his political carreer, and has continued to use it when he needed a boost. Personally I had no problem with that, he made Milan great because of this. But now that he's gotten all that he can out of it, he's let Milan fend for itself, and now adays no football club can manage to do that. He only gets involved with Milan issues when there is a photo op up for grabs, that's when he shows his face and starts making all those self rightous statements...

Again if this sudden lack of ability to invest funds is just recession caused then how can you explain the fact that Milan have not made any worth while transfers since Nesta? That's a long time ago, we have not managed to remain competitve since 2004 mainly because of this. So don't tell me that the lack of investment in the club is because of this. It's just not a solid argument when you look at the entire picture and not just a small part of it.

Another point about our management. They have wasted money on transfers been forced to pay higher fees for players that are not worth those ammounts, made some horrible blunders (Yoann). And now they're turning Milan into a selling club, something they always swore they would never do.

You know they keep talking about how Milan is a family and all that, but I did not see Galliani speaking out against those Ultras who ruined Maldini's last home game, I also see them pushing Kaka out against his will for money.

At some point you just can't keep defending these people. Berlu and Galliani are who they are not because they're honest to God men. Berlu certainly isn't, and like I've said Berlusconi has always had something to gain out of Milan, so we can put him on that pedastal all we want but him spending all that cash to begin with didn't come just out of love for the club...

Agree with everything, perfect post.

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 5 2009, 10:36 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 5 2009, 10:07 AM)

There is only one R7....

Thank God.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jun 6 2009, 10:43 AM

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Kaka Signs Real Madrid Shirt – Report

Kaka is behaving like a Real Madrid player already, dropping another hint that he has all but joined the Primera Division club after he autographed one of their shirts, according to reports in Brazil.

Globoesporte.com claims the Brazilian ace is currently in Uruguay with the Selecao and he did not object to signing a Real Madrid shirt with his name on it when a fan pulled out the famous jersey and asked him to initial it.

"He was very nice. He saw the shirt and he signed it near the club's badge," the fan told the Brazilian paper.

"He was very good about signing the shirt."

The latest news from Italy claims Kaka will reveal all his future plans during a press conference in Recife on Monday, where he is likely to announce his passage to the Santiago Bernabeu.

Kaka's signature on the shirt seems to confirm reports that he will become a Real Madrid player. The move comes just hours after Rossoneri patron Silvio Berlusconi claimed his man wanted to leave.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Jun 6 2009, 05:21 PM

This doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I am not saying I don't believe he is going because of that either...

Posted by: MizNelson Jun 6 2009, 05:58 PM

Wow, some dweeb actually had a Madrid shirt made up with his name? Reminds me of the schmuck who was pictured wearing a C. Ronaldo Man City jersey in the stands during a game over a month ago.

You definitely don't see that out here; it'd be like putting Tim Duncan on a Lakers jersey.

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