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post Oct 6 2014, 02:48 PM
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I think we shouldn't neglect the fact that those two are probably in the two best teams on the planet. To assume they wouldn't score 'anything near' those numbers might be being rash.

Maybe not 30, but a 25 plus return cannot be discounted. Just look at that Madrid firepower with a team being built to service Ronaldo. It's not like either Ronaldo or Messi are not cutting it in Europe where you could argue they are meeting with better opponents than in Primera. I think they are neck and neck to beat Raul's record and become joint top scores in CL.

No. I think we are in a very special period where we are probably looking at two players competing for GOAT status (though I hardly believe such a term exists in any sport which advances through technological inputs/or has rule changes).

It sucks that Milan doesn't and probably will not (for another 10 years) have a player to compete in those stakes but that's that.
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post Oct 25 2014, 06:17 PM
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Suarez with one of the worst performances I've ever seen. Beyond annonymous. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Oct 25 2014, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 25 2014, 06:17 PM) *
Suarez with one of the worst performances I've ever seen. Beyond annonymous. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

They spend that kind of money on one of the best strikers around and play him as a winger...
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post Oct 25 2014, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 25 2014, 08:22 PM) *
They spend that kind of money on one of the best strikers around and play him as a winger...

He's playing the same role as the one he did at Liverpool though. Sturridge played centrally, Suarez was always wider to the right.
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post Oct 25 2014, 07:42 PM
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The blueprint to Madrid's success today was down to Don Carlo, the movement of Madrid today and how they moved the ball from defense to the attack resembled that of Carlo's Milan. Except this team is on steroids (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Madrid could very well pin anyone back from a CL title. Game I would like to watch, Chelsea v Madrid and be that a final ohh boy!
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post Oct 25 2014, 07:54 PM
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Madrid played okay, but ultimately they won because of Barca. Silly penalty to give away, poor marking on corner and then Iniesta giving the ball away to let Madrid break. Barca were at fault for all 3 rather than Madrid's good play IMO. Madrid were pretty wasteful mostly.
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post Oct 25 2014, 08:05 PM
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Didn't see the game, just saw the goals. Madrid's 3rd goal is such a perfect display of the team's skills and spirit. Quick passes and everyone being altruist.
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post Oct 25 2014, 09:04 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 25 2014, 09:05 PM) *
Didn't see the game, just saw the goals. Madrid's 3rd goal is such a perfect display of the team's skills and spirit. Quick passes and everyone being altruist.

It was such a beautiful goal, even Iniesta wanted to get involed.
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post Oct 25 2014, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 25 2014, 07:36 PM) *
He's playing the same role as the one he did at Liverpool though. Sturridge played centrally, Suarez was always wider to the right.

Didn't Liverpool play a diamond last season with Sturridge and Suarez up top? And anyway they played a very fluid front 3 with those 2 plus Sterling, they'd constantly rotate their positions.

Suarez was literally stuck out wide on the right side for most of the game hugging the touch line, I fail to see how that's making good use of him

Still he got the assist in the game which is more than Messi did all game long
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post Oct 25 2014, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 25 2014, 10:46 PM) *
Didn't Liverpool play a diamond last season with Sturridge and Suarez up top? And anyway they played a very fluid front 3 with those 2 plus Sterling, they'd constantly rotate their positions.

On websites it would have them down as a 4-4-2 diamond, but in reality it was more like this.

---------------- Sturridge ---------------
----------------------------- Suarez-----
---------------- Sterling ----------------
------ Coutinho-------------------------
------------------------- Henderson---
--------------- Gerrard-----------------

Was a slightly lob-sided 4-2-3-1 more than it was a 4-4-2 IMO.

He did play wider tonight than he did at Liverpool, but more or less the same kind of role.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 25 2014, 10:46 PM) *
Still he got the assist in the game which is more than Messi did all game long

Which is why assists are often overrated. Playing a routine ball across the field, then that player cutting inside, beating a man, and scoring from 20 yards isn't really anything to do with the pass.
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post Oct 25 2014, 10:09 PM
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Yet another shite performance from Messi in a match which matters. Last time I remember him having a significant impact in a big match was the CL final in 09.

He's the most overrated player on earth.

Not that Ron was brilliant tonight but his moments made a difference.

Best player was Carvajal.

PS: Suarez absolutely drowned.

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post Oct 25 2014, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 25 2014, 11:09 PM) *
Yet another shite performance from Messi in a match which matters. Last time I remember him having a significant impact in a big match was the CL final in 09.

Yeah but he gets 80 penalties a season and scores 40 of them so he must be the best because he scores so much!

QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 25 2014, 11:09 PM) *
Best player was Carvajal.

Easily. Brilliant performances. Marcelo was good too, which is a rarity.
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post Oct 25 2014, 10:38 PM
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Just can't fathom why the world loves Messi so much. He keeps on choking when it matters while Ronaldo doesn't.
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post Oct 25 2014, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 26 2014, 12:38 AM) *
Just can't fathom why the world loves Messi so much.

On the other hand, I can't fathom why the world hates Messi so much.
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post Oct 25 2014, 11:30 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Oct 25 2014, 10:07 PM) *
On the other hand, I can't fathom why the world hates Messi so much.


Possibly due to the kudos he's given without actually deserving it.

Ronaldo's done it for Man Utd, Real Madrid and Portugal. Mainly on his own.

While Messi's star has definitely faded in the past 2+ years as Xavi aged and Iniesta went past his best.

Tonight he had Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Suarez and Neymar for support yet did absolutely nothing.

Ronaldo wasn't sparkling but did things on his own, things Messi seems incapable of. Ronaldo ran absolute riot v Liverpool, while Messi did nothing in Paris v PSG or even against Apoel.

Messi has been over rated for too long, relying on a great Barca team - now that Barca has been found out he's been a hell of a lot less effective. While Ronaldo has been outstanding for 5+ years now.
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