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post Oct 23 2014, 10:51 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 23 2014, 01:07 AM) *
Juventus just don't have CL DNA inside them. However well they may play at CL level they just don't know how to win.

I've preached this for years, and as Han knows, I got abused elsewhere for saying it. By Milan fans! But, the results bear my view out.

They just don't know how to do CL.

And the fact they're actually not very good at at doesn't help - further evidence of the decline of Serie A in CL. Milan aside.


Serie A lost its fourth CL seating for a reason, that reason is evident for the past 15 years. Whereby Milan was the only notable 'constant' from Italy. Even at EL (uefa cup) level, Italian teams never really ventured past the early knockouts in that same period.

Fundamental Perspective: On the upside, let us look at how the German teams fared over the course of the same period. How competitive were they in collecting European coefficient points? How long did it take? How did the WC2006 play a role in advancing the Bundesliga to its status these days? Think the answer to all these queries is simple, the German government invested in this sector directly and indirectly over the course of the past 15 years lets say.

Macroeconomic Perspective: It is also important to note Italy as a country has regressed significantly, to the extent that it rivals Spain, Greece, Ireland, and Portugal in the deficit its respective governments is running on. To this very day, Germany and to an extent the UK(or London in particular) has done better coming out of the recession of 2007-9 in comparison.

Is it a coincidence Italian football is where it is? The government needs to allocate funds to invest in a European Cup or World Cup. In 1990 the Italian gov't funded the WC and promoted the Italian game. It is not a spontaneous spark of when you spend money, but how. Italians surely, as proven historically, have the know-how, they just do not have a gov't as healthy as that of England or Germany to help 'promote' the domestic league.


And that is in a nutshell of what I believe is going on. Will Milan surprise? Well, Athletico Madrid did and that is enough of a confirmation to what we can aspire to become given the right circumstances.
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post Oct 23 2014, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 23 2014, 08:35 AM) *
No better club for him to fail at too. Fans so full of self delusion it's unreal. This post when he signed was embarrassing to read.

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post Nov 25 2014, 10:46 PM
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Roma-City after two weeks should be interesting.
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post Nov 25 2014, 11:00 PM
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Can't see Roma beating them. They needed City to lose today or at least draw.
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post Nov 26 2014, 01:36 AM
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City are even more chokers than Roma in CL. I don't think they will win in Italy.
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post Nov 26 2014, 02:13 AM
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Regardless, it's going to be a cracker. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I just hope it were Bayern in City's position. Even more of a cracker. I would still give it to Roma if they can bring their A game, but anything less and they can go bye bye.
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post Nov 26 2014, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Nov 26 2014, 01:36 AM) *
City are even more chokers than Roma in CL. I don't think they will win in Italy.


Chokers or not, they only lost 1-0 to Bayern in Munich in the last minute, and actually beat them at home. Roma overall conceded 9 goals against Bayern, only scoring once. I agree with Acid, it's going to be a cracker. Any result is possible, but I see City as favorites right now. They can pass if they draw 1-1 and above, always assuming that CSKA lose against Bayern. If CSKA draw in Munich, then any draw between City and Roma would get Roma through. That's what I read anyway.
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post Nov 26 2014, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 26 2014, 09:46 AM) *
Chokers or not, they only lost 1-0 to Bayern in Munich in the last minute, and actually beat them at home. Roma overall conceded 9 goals against Bayern, only scoring once. I agree with Acid, it's going to be a cracker. Any result is possible, but I see City as favorites right now. They can pass if they draw 1-1 and above, always assuming that CSKA lose against Bayern. If CSKA draw in Munich, then any draw between City and Roma would get Roma through. That's what I read anyway.

Keep in mind that City won against Bayern only after Bayern had already gone through the group, had Bayern still needed to qualify it would most likely have been a totally different game
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post Nov 26 2014, 04:58 PM
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According to wiki, the tiebreakers suggest any draw would put Man City through as tiebreakers are first from the whole group, then from the matches between each other. Surely that's not right.
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post Nov 26 2014, 05:18 PM
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Fact is that Italy will most likely end up with only one them in the KO's, a terribly rubbish Juve at that who have been failing in this competition for decades

At this rate I can't see us keeping our 4th ranking for too much longer
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post Nov 26 2014, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 26 2014, 04:58 PM) *
According to wiki, the tiebreakers suggest any draw would put Man City through as tiebreakers are first from the whole group, then from the matches between each other. Surely that's not right.


Gazzetta said that if all three teams end up with 6 points, Roma go through.
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I would have thought that would be the case too. Seems weird wiki suggests Bayerns results matter in a 3 way tiebreak.
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Why would Roma pass, though? What's the rule?
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post Nov 26 2014, 09:24 PM
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I wish Roma would pass, but its like banging your head to a wall. Or a miracle. City are better equipped to go through with at least two goals.

Roma could surprise, however they are far to weak for CL heavyweights like Bayern or City.
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Watching Juve play is a delight. Not only for the fast and attractive football, but also because everyone runs like a damned and sacrifices himself for the team, showing an admirable altruistic spirit. Compare that to how we play, where everyone runs at the pace of a snail, and individualism reigns high, and you get a clear picture of how many worlds apart we are.
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