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Posted by: han2503 Mar 24 2017, 05:22 PM

Apparently we've secured a deal for Musacchio for next summer

Milan have secured the signing of Villarreal defender Matteo Musacchio for €18m. Player should earn €3m/year [@MCriscitiello].

Take it with a huge pinch of salt

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Mar 25 2017, 01:25 PM

Is he not a good player? I never seen him before.

Posted by: Danny Mar 25 2017, 03:08 PM

I haven't either but I gather he's not half bad. Been linked with him for a couple of months now.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 25 2017, 06:36 PM

We'll see if it's actually true

Anyway, looks like the bottom just fell out of this Sino Europe Sports farce. Most sources saying that SES has disbanded with only Yonghong Li remaining and basically a bunch of loans to fund the closing.

If this thing goes through I'm actually worried we'll just be moving from the frying pan and into the fire

This club needs restructuring, and a lot of fresh investment and fresh minds. One man holding on by a thread could lead to things becoming infinitely worse for us...

Posted by: Danny Mar 25 2017, 10:33 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 25 2017, 06:36 PM) *
We'll see if it's actually true

Anyway, looks like the bottom just fell out of this Sino Europe Sports farce. Most sources saying that SES has disbanded with only Yonghong Li remaining and basically a bunch of loans to fund the closing.

If this thing goes through I'm actually worried we'll just be moving from the frying pan and into the fire

This club needs restructuring, and a lot of fresh investment and fresh minds. One man holding on by a thread could lead to things becoming infinitely worse for us...


The moment it went on for more than two months it was completely doomed. I let myself get caught up in the hype at the start of the year but deep down I never believed it would happen. We're a mess and going nowhere. What we're achieving on the pitch defies the nightmare off it.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 26 2017, 06:55 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Mar 25 2017, 10:33 PM) *
The moment it went on for more than two months it was completely doomed. I let myself get caught up in the hype at the start of the year but deep down I never believed it would happen. We're a mess and going nowhere. What we're achieving on the pitch defies the nightmare off it.

Apparently Fininvest have made an official statement now reiterating that the closing will happen (gave a definite date of April 14th now). Fact is, they're desperate to offload the club, so I think it will happen whether it will be a good thing or a bad thing is something else all together

The only hope we can cling to if this goes south is that the new owners would be more quick to sell up shop (like what happened with Inter and Thohir

Posted by: Danny Mar 26 2017, 01:09 PM

Now we're hearing Silvio is going absolutely nowhere. That even if this fabled thing does close, he's staying on as pres.

Posted by: han2503 Mar 26 2017, 03:34 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Mar 26 2017, 01:09 PM) *
Now we're hearing Silvio is going absolutely nowhere. That even if this fabled thing does close, he's staying on as pres.

Maybe as an honorary figure but nothing else. There's no way a majority stake owner would ever let someone else stay on as president let alone give him decision powers. If this thing happens, which I'm quietly confident that it will, Silvio is out and Galliani along with him.

Posted by: Danny Mar 30 2017, 01:16 PM

Few things to report:

We've received a bid for MDS from Juve.

Barca want Deulofeu and it appears he wants them.

We've made interest in Lorenzo Pellegrini of Sassuolo.




Posted by: Forza Milan! Mar 30 2017, 10:49 PM

http://www.calciomercato.com/news/milan-elliot-vuole-garanzie-da-li-la-squadra-non-deve-essere-ind-92800. Says that the Elliot fund (which is loaning 300M to Li for the closing) wants to be assured that the value of the team will not drop. This means that if we sell someone of relevance (like, for example, Bacca), management needs to re-invest the funds into the team. Also, this puts more urgency on renewing contracts for key players (like Donna), as losing them would affect team value.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Mar 31 2017, 06:36 AM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Mar 31 2017, 05:19 AM) *
http://www.calciomercato.com/news/milan-elliot-vuole-garanzie-da-li-la-squadra-non-deve-essere-ind-92800. Says that the Elliot fund (which is loaning 300M to Li for the closing) wants to be assured that the value of the team will not drop. This means that if we sell someone of relevance (like, for example, Bacca), management needs to re-invest the funds into the team. Also, this puts more urgency on renewing contracts for key players (like Donna), as losing them would affect team value.


Question - Is Elliot giving a loan? I read somewhere they were actually the new partners and will be given a seat on the board. Basically Yonghong Li disbanded SES, took his money and formed a new group called Rossoneri Sport. I admit a US presence does make me feel a bit better about things.

Posted by: Danny Mar 31 2017, 12:51 PM

Few things to report:

We want Fiorentina's Kalinic to replace Bacca, and we're looking at Schalke's full back Kolasinac.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Mar 31 2017, 10:15 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Mar 31 2017, 07:36 AM) *
Question - Is Elliot giving a loan? I read somewhere they were actually the new partners and will be given a seat on the board. Basically Yonghong Li disbanded SES, took his money and formed a new group called Rossoneri Sport. I admit a US presence does make me feel a bit better about things.

I have read somewhere that they are loaning the money (at rather high interest, I may add). But I could have it wrong. But even if they are just loaning the money, given the amount it is not unreasonable for them to expect a seat on the board.

EDIT: it http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2017/03/31/34187242/dopo-tanti-rinvii-si-anticipa-milan-il-closing-potrebbe-avvenire-?ICID=HP_HN_HP_RI_1_2. They are in for 303M, a first part due back in 18 months (11% interest), the rest later (7.5% interest). And, BTW, the closing has apparently pulled back to an earlier date.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 1 2017, 08:35 AM

Sky reports Silvio giving Galliani the green light to run for Serie A presidency. That points to an imminent sale of the club.

Forza Milan that's a leveraged acquisition alright, this could mean a lot of things. Think Blazers and ManU, they mortgaged everything United to the banks for the banks to buy them the club. What's the size of the offering from the Chinese? 700 or 500M ? 303M is a sizable amount both ways.


Edit: Gattuso had comments about the Milan sale in a press conference, it went like this;
Reporter: Juventus was sold to an Italian family while Milan to Chinese?
Ringo: Juventus's competitions are local only that is why the investors interested are Italian, while foreigners might not even know them.
Reporter: Milan took months in the sale process?
Ringo: That points to the importance of Milan, while Inter was sold in half an hour, If a girl wanted to buy shoes she would need more time than half an hour.

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Posted by: han2503 Apr 1 2017, 01:11 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Mar 31 2017, 10:15 PM) *
I have read somewhere that they are loaning the money (at rather high interest, I may add). But I could have it wrong. But even if they are just loaning the money, given the amount it is not unreasonable for them to expect a seat on the board.

EDIT: it http://www.goal.com/it/news/2/serie-a/2017/03/31/34187242/dopo-tanti-rinvii-si-anticipa-milan-il-closing-potrebbe-avvenire-?ICID=HP_HN_HP_RI_1_2. They are in for 303M, a first part due back in 18 months (11% interest), the rest later (7.5% interest). And, BTW, the closing has apparently pulled back to an earlier date.

Yeah they're loaning the money. I've read a few reports which are basically saying that the money from the US/UK companies is just being used to get the deal done. Once Milan is in Li's possession the initial investors will come back into the fold, it's why a Haixia representative will still have a spot on the board of directors.

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 1 2017, 08:35 AM) *
Sky reports Silvio giving Galliani the green light to run for Serie A presidency. That points to an imminent sale of the club.

Forza Milan that's a leveraged acquisition alright, this could mean a lot of things. Think Blazers and ManU, they mortgaged everything United to the banks for the banks to buy them the club. What's the size of the offering from the Chinese? 700 or 500M ? 303M is a sizable amount both ways.


Edit: Gattuso had comments about the Milan sale in a press conference, it went like this;
Reporter: Juventus was sold to an Italian family while Milan to Chinese?
Ringo: Juventus's competitions are local only that is why the investors interested are Italian, while foreigners might not even know them.
Reporter: Milan took months in the sale process?
Ringo: That points to the importance of Milan, while Inter was sold in half an hour, If a girl wanted to buy shoes she would need more time than half an hour.

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laugh.gif Classic Rino

Anyway, I read that the set up will be as you said, similar to that of Man U

Anyway, I'm not big on the financial aspects of it all. As long as we'll see an upper managerial overhaul and a proper re-structuring of the club so it can be run as a proper business, I don't really care where the money will be coming from.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 1 2017, 01:15 PM

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Milan for Kolasinac and Musacchio


Milan have verbal agreements for both Schalke 04 defender Sead Kolasinac and Villarreal’s Mateo Musacchio, claims the Corriere dello Sport.

The Rossoneri are pushing forward with the Yonghong Li takeover expected to be completed by April 13 or 14.

This will spark a new era at the club, ending Silvio Berlusconi’s 31-year reign and opening up new transfer prospects.

According to the Corriere dello Sport newspaper, Milan’s new directors have already reached verbal agreements with two defenders for next season.

The first is Schalke left-back Kolasinac, who will be a free agent in July when his contract expires and has also been linked with Juventus.

The other is Villarreal man Musacchio, who had already been close to the Rossoneri last season and is available for around €15m.


Two very good moves, and if true we're finally seeing people who work with clear ideas and intent.

Making our moves in the market early will be a huge factor come the start of next season

Plus, with these 2 we'd be improving our defence significantly without breaking the bank and leaving a sizable amount of money to improve the midfield and the wings

On another note, it looks like Barca could activate their buy-back clause for Deulofeu, so I don't think it will be possible for us to keep him if that's the case

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 1 2017, 01:20 PM

Hmm, I don't think Deulofeu is good enough for Barça's ambitions, and I think he'll end up getting loaned again to smaller clubs if he returns there.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 4 2017, 06:27 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 1 2017, 07:50 PM) *
Hmm, I don't think Deulofeu is good enough for Barça's ambitions, and I think he'll end up getting loaned again to smaller clubs if he returns there.


I think their intent might be to use him as a bargaining chip for other transfers. But I don't know if they'll make any moves till they finalize their new coach.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 6 2017, 05:04 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 1 2017, 01:20 PM) *
Hmm, I don't think Deulofeu is good enough for Barça's ambitions, and I think he'll end up getting loaned again to smaller clubs if he returns there.

Like Jack said, they'll most likely use him to make a quick buck or as leverage for some other deal.

We'll see, I'd like to keep him as it would mean having the wide positions set for next season and we can focus our transfer budget on the midfield and maybe a Bacca replacement (silently praying for Belotti, but it won't happen)

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 11 2017, 04:45 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 1 2017, 03:15 PM) *
Two very good moves, and if true we're finally seeing people who work with clear ideas and intent.

Making our moves in the market early will be a huge factor come the start of next season

Plus, with these 2 we'd be improving our defence significantly without breaking the bank and leaving a sizable amount of money to improve the midfield and the wings

On another note, it looks like Barca could activate their buy-back clause for Deulofeu, so I don't think it will be possible for us to keep him if that's the case

Han, have you ever seen Kolasinac play?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 12 2017, 04:20 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 11 2017, 11:15 PM) *
Han, have you ever seen Kolasinac play?


I'm just concerned this Kolasinac guy means we'll see the end of Antonelli and/or De Sciglio.

How is this guy? I don't watch Schalke at all, so I was going to ask you in any case.

Posted by: Danny Apr 13 2017, 02:47 PM

Am I like the only fan who doesn't rate MDS?!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 13 2017, 03:18 PM

Perhaps.

How good is Kolašinac? In Danny's favorite word - abysmal.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2017, 09:01 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 11 2017, 04:45 PM) *
Han, have you ever seen Kolasinac play?

Honeslty? No, but I've heard good things and I'v watched some youtube vids to get an idea (I know, I know)

We'll see, now they're saying Everton have agreed terms with him.

I'm not worried if we have the cash to splash there are other possibilties

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 12 2017, 04:20 PM) *
I'm just concerned this Kolasinac guy means we'll see the end of Antonelli and/or De Sciglio.

How is this guy? I don't watch Schalke at all, so I was going to ask you in any case.

Antonelli is average at best, I HOPE this means the end of him

DS needs to be renewed ASAP and I've always been an advocate of him as a LB and have always said that he's better there than on the right, but the few times he's played at RB this season I thought he performed better there

So bringing in a new LB (whoever that might be) will most likely mean that DS is shifted to the right, with Abate, Calabria and Antonelli as the backups. Hopefully we'll get rid of Vangioni this summer

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 13 2017, 02:47 PM) *
Am I like the only fan who doesn't rate MDS?!

Nope, he gets his fair share of hate, I personally think he's a good player that's just stalled a bit in terms of growth and has gone through bad phases with injuries and fitness. But aside from that I think he's currently our best FB (Abate has really gone downhill this season and Calabria is still very young)

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 13 2017, 03:18 PM) *
Perhaps.

How good is Kolašinac? In Danny's favorite word - abysmal.

Really? Have you seen him play? I honestly don't know but people on social media were excited about the rumours so I assumed he'd be a good catch, plus he looks good on youtube biggrin.gif

Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2017, 09:18 AM

Some blurbs off of twitter

@TheMilanBible Milan are ever so eager to burn out the competition for Mateo Musacchio for around €16M this summer. [Gazzetta]

@TheMilanBible Milan have lost out on Sead Kolasinac. Milan had the deal locked, but the delays of the closing allowed Everton to snatch him up. [Gazzetta]

@TheMilanBible Gazzetta reports Mirabelli has offered Aubameyang a contract worth €7.5M per season, but a deal is difficult with Madrid & Barca interested.

@TheMilanBible Roma have an option to bring back Lorenzo Pellegrini for €11M & should take him back, but the player would like to return to Montella. [GdS]

@TheMilanBible The new Milan leadership have an agreement with Keita Balde from Lazio, who's contract expires in 2018. [Gazzetta]

@TheMilanBible Milan have had Fabregas' 'YES' since January and with Montella's approval the chances of Cesc in Milan's midfield next season are high. #GdS

@TheMilanBible The new Chinese Milan owners' priority is to extend Montella's contract. They will look to set up a meeting to negotiate. [Gazzetta]

Basically, the press is going a bit mad. I'd be insanely happy if we could just get Cesc off of that list

The new Milan board of directors


Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 14 2017, 10:04 AM

I like those rumours. I honestly believed Cesc was a past it washed up superstar - but he has been good for Chelsea. I can see a partnership with him and Montolivo and Locatelli being our mid three and that could be very good.

Especially if we hold onto Suso, Deu and Bacca. Essentially we have three Barca creatives with the same philosophy and one bloody-minded finisher. Looks good. Now we just need to shore up that defence though. Who will partner Romagnoli AND we need a top fullback.

Posted by: Danny Apr 14 2017, 12:41 PM

We're linked with Daniel Sturridge. God no. So talented but so injured. It would be Pato all over again.

PS YES again to Cesc. I've been whoring this one off for years.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2017, 02:05 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 14 2017, 12:41 PM) *
We're linked with Daniel Sturridge. God no. So talented but so injured. It would be Pato all over again.

PS YES again to Cesc. I've been whoring this one off for years.

Just saw the Sturridge thing. And I totally agree with your sentiment; God NO!!

Personally I don't care about either the attack or defence getting an upgrade, if it were up to me and I had a 150m to spend I'd use it entirely on the midfield and then worry about the rest later

Get Cesc, Radja and a young talent like Milinkovic-Savic / Tielemens / Neves and we're good to go imo

Posted by: Danny Apr 14 2017, 02:07 PM

I'd absolutely cream myself with Cesc and Nainggolan in midfield.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2017, 02:29 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 14 2017, 02:07 PM) *
I'd absolutely cream myself with Cesc and Nainggolan in midfield.

The thing is, if we do have a 150m budget to spend and Mirabelli is aggressive both are totally achievable targets

Cesc is being used as a sub by Conte, if we have the go ahead from the player himself than I think 25m max would get the deal done

Radja is another issue altogether, but Roma have proven to be easy targets as a shopping outlet. Just hand the cash and you can have anyone

I think something similar to what Juve offered for Pjanic would be enough

So that's 25m for Cesc, 60m for Radja a total of 90m and our squad has already been elevated to a completely other level that we haven't seen in years

We'd have 60m left over, I'd close the deal for Musacchio, that's a rumoured 18m, try to get Deulofeu from Barca/Everton that's probably another 20m and try to make a cheeky offer for any one of those young players I mentioned above, Milinkovic would be the most ideal but Lotito is a pain in the @ss. Ruben Neves would also be a great addition but he'd mostly be stepping on Locatelli's turf plus Porto are an even bigger nightmare than Lotito. Tielemens would probably be the easiest target, just go with the remaining 20m to Anderlecht and he's ours

The rest we can worry abou later but these 4-5 moves would put us back in contention for that 2nd place behind Juve

We should definitely not be going for glamour moves like Benzema or Aubameyang for now, what's important is upgrading our midfield

Posted by: Danny Apr 14 2017, 02:45 PM

Ahhhh to hear us talking about Milan quality players again. SOOOOOOOOOOOO NICE!

Posted by: han2503 Apr 14 2017, 03:50 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 14 2017, 02:45 PM) *
Ahhhh to hear us talking about Milan quality players again. SOOOOOOOOOOOO NICE!

It's an amazing feeling for sure, let's see how things play out

Some key points regarding the squad from Fassone in the press conference were:
- Player renewals, they definitely want to lock down key players who have contracts running out, Suso, Donna and DeS were all mentioned + Deulofeu's situation
- Integrating more experienced players of a high calibre to help the young talent on the team
- Making a couple of very important signings this summer. The way he mentioned this point, I took it to mean that we'll be signing 1 or 2 top tier players and maybe a couple of very good ones
- They want the squad to be at the very least 70% complete before the team starts pre-season in July, so no more waiting until the last minute to see if we can beg someone to come play for us
- Montella was confirmed in his position and they want to collaborate with him in terms of transfer market decisions
- The transfer budget will be substantial. Now whether that's the 150m that's been mentioned or more is yet to be determined, but he emphasised that they want to get back into the CL pronto so I would assume that they're going to make the necessary moves required to achieve that
- He also admitted that there are teams in the league which are better than us and it's an issue that will be addressed. No more we're good as we are bull cr@p

So basically everything points to us finally having a proper, well thought out transfer campaign that is a joint effort with the coach

Posted by: Danny Apr 14 2017, 10:44 PM

Yes, I saw a lot of the quotes. It LOOKS promising. I'm pleased Vince will get a chance with real money.

But we may find he's not big enough in time for Milan - hopefully he is, hopefully he's not 'able to work with poor resources but struggles with big ones'. Lots of managers like that.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 15 2017, 09:54 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 14 2017, 10:44 PM) *
Yes, I saw a lot of the quotes. It LOOKS promising. I'm pleased Vince will get a chance with real money.

But we may find he's not big enough in time for Milan - hopefully he is, hopefully he's not 'able to work with poor resources but struggles with big ones'. Lots of managers like that.

Personally, I don't think that's the case, Montella has shown that he can be tactically diverse, not to mention that he doesn't just rely on a motivational factor to prepare his players (like say with Miha)

I have high hopes for Montella if he has the right resources to work with

If he doesn't live up to that we can look elsewhere, but I think that for now, he's the correct man to move ahead with, especially in this transitional phase

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 15 2017, 09:56 AM

Who knows. At the present moment, he's our biggest hope and chance.

And hopefully we'll make the transfers right this time.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 15 2017, 10:03 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 15 2017, 09:56 AM) *
Who knows. At the present moment, he's our biggest hope and chance.

And hopefully we'll make the transfers right this time.

Agreed

Plus I don't see any marquee type coach becoming available this summer

Carlo could be KO'd from the CL next week but I don't think Bayern will let him go just yet. Conte will definitely stay on at Chelsea, same with Sarri at Napoli, Mourinho at Chelsea and Klopp at Liverpool. Guardiola could be the only one available but his time at Man City is worrying, he's never been able to replicate what he did at Barca with another team, and unless we have a top class side capable of playing his style (which he's never shown to be able to deviate from no matter the players he has), it would be a complete failure

Any other coach would be a redundant exercise imo, because I think Montella is one of the best in his tier in terms of coaches

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 15 2017, 04:07 PM

Agreed about Montella. No reason whatsoever to let him go. He's done well with the limited resources he has.

Posted by: Danny Apr 15 2017, 07:33 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 15 2017, 04:07 PM) *
Agreed about Montella. No reason whatsoever to let him go. He's done well with the limited resources he has.


You'd think. But it really is Li's trainset now, and whatever he has planned for Milan is up to him and the board.

If they simply don't like Vince, he's gone. New regimes more often than not simply like having their own men even if the existing one is doing well enough - simply because he isn't theirs.

For Abramovich/Chelsea see Ranieri. For City see Hughes.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 15 2017, 08:09 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 15 2017, 07:33 PM) *
You'd think. But it really is Li's trainset now, and whatever he has planned for Milan is up to him and the board.

If they simply don't like Vince, he's gone. New regimes more often than not simply like having their own men even if the existing one is doing well enough - simply because he isn't theirs.

For Abramovich/Chelsea see Ranieri. For City see Hughes.

True, but Montella was a joint decision between the previous management and the new one. Fassone confirmed this yesterday

Either way I personally think he'll still be Milan coach next season. Now whether he can live up to the lofty expectations the new management have is another thing altogether, especially if they provide him with quality signings

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 16 2017, 12:43 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 15 2017, 08:09 PM) *
True, but Montella was a joint decision between the previous management and the new one. Fassone confirmed this yesterday


Indeed.

Posted by: Danny Apr 16 2017, 02:10 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 15 2017, 08:09 PM) *
True, but Montella was a joint decision between the previous management and the new one. Fassone confirmed this yesterday

Either way I personally think he'll still be Milan coach next season. Now whether he can live up to the lofty expectations the new management have is another thing altogether, especially if they provide him with quality signings


If Lux etc had a hand in this decision, I'd say he's more protected then. Not entirely, he's only 50% their man. But that's much better than it being 0. But yes, lofty expectations they will be.

PS is anyone yet starting to have doubts about Donnarumma yet or will I remain alone on that one too?

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 16 2017, 04:17 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 16 2017, 02:10 AM) *
PS is anyone yet starting to have doubts about Donnarumma yet or will I remain alone on that one too?


I think you'll remain alone, mainly because I think you fail to realize that the kid's only 18. No goalie has shown such promise in such an early age since Buffon 20 years ago.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 16 2017, 07:16 PM

The positions to be filled are a cb, a fb, two midfielders and two strikers cause Bacca can go bacca himself off.

Posted by: Danny Apr 16 2017, 08:34 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 16 2017, 04:17 PM) *
I think you'll remain alone, mainly because I think you fail to realize that the kid's only 18. No goalie has shown such promise in such an early age since Buffon 20 years ago.


I do love the 'the kid is only 18' fallacy that is being used over and over again. We have a phrase here in the UK:

'If you're good enough, you're old enough'.

People regularly cut Donnarumma slack 'because he's 18', but guess what - he's AC Milan's goalkeeper - his age should NOT be a factor to justify his mistakes and his 'learning'.

He has been given that position not 'because he's 18', but because he's supposed to be good enough.

Well in the past 6 months, he hasn't been - whether he's 18, 28, or 38 doesn't matter. I'd have agreed that 6 months ago he was indeed showing that astonishing promise you allude to - but for me since then he's gone backwards and simply has not developed.

In short, he is no better than he was, and is definitely worse.

I'm not saying he's absolutely rubbish, but he definitely hasn't improved or learned much in the past half year, which is exactly what an 18 year old kid is supposed to do.

Both goals, the first one especially on Sunday, worried me hugely. A world class goalie would have saved that.

'But it's ok, he's only 18'.

Oh well, it's ok we didn't win then! It costs us points and goals, you know.

Posted by: Danny Apr 16 2017, 08:35 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 16 2017, 07:16 PM) *
The positions to be filled are a cb, a fb, two midfielders and two strikers cause Bacca can go bacca himself off.


Something about Bacca doesn't fit this system. Never did. Yet despite it, he's still our top scorer with a one in two ratio this season and the highest shot conversion rate in Serie A, I believe.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 16 2017, 08:42 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 16 2017, 11:35 PM) *
Something about Bacca doesn't fit this system. Never did. Yet despite it, he's still our top scorer with a one in two ratio this season and the highest shot conversion rate in Serie A, I believe.


He's not Shevchenko not is he Inzaghi, I see where your coming from Danny but you got to admit the standard is definitely higher than Bacca. He is our highest scorer because he is our only proper striker and his shot conversion rate is high because he rarely takes the shot I guess. Regardless, he could be as profilic as can be, he still needs to go tongue.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 16 2017, 08:46 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 16 2017, 08:34 PM) *
I do love the 'the kid is only 18' fallacy that is being used over and over again. We have a phrase here in the UK:

'If you're good enough, you're old enough'.

People regularly cut Donnarumma slack 'because he's 18', but guess what - he's AC Milan's goalkeeper - his age should NOT be a factor to justify his mistakes and his 'learning'.

He has been given that position not 'because he's 18', but because he's supposed to be good enough.

Well in the past 6 months, he hasn't been - whether he's 18, 28, or 38 doesn't matter. I'd have agreed that 6 months ago he was indeed showing that astonishing promise you allude to - but for me since then he's gone backwards and simply has not developed.

In short, he is no better than he was, and is definitely worse.

I'm not saying he's absolutely rubbish, but he definitely hasn't improved or learned much in the past half year, which is exactly what an 18 year old kid is supposed to do.

Both goals, the first one especially on Sunday, worried me hugely. A world class goalie would have saved that.

'But it's ok, he's only 18'.

Oh well, it's ok we didn't win then! It costs us points and goals, you know.


I think you're exaggerating on every argument you make.

The GK position is not like other positions. It needs more time, hence why most goalkeepers reach a maturity phase much later in their careers than other players.

Donna is still a child, and for someone of that age he has shown great things in leaps and bounds. His biggest flaw and where he needs to improve the most is positioning. Once he grasps that aspect then he can be considered world-class.

Right now he's simply a talented kid that's been overhyped by the media and fans, and that has A LOT to improve upon.

Posted by: Danny Apr 16 2017, 09:44 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 16 2017, 08:46 PM) *
I think you're exaggerating on every argument you make.


Bit harsh!

QUOTE
The GK position is not like other positions. It needs more time, hence why most goalkeepers reach a maturity phase much later in their careers than other players.

Donna is still a child, and for someone of that age he has shown great things in leaps and bounds. His biggest flaw and where he needs to improve the most is positioning. Once he grasps that aspect then he can be considered world-class.

Right now he's simply a talented kid that's been overhyped by the media and fans, and that has A LOT to improve upon.


... isn't that what I said?!

Difference is everyone else is more forgiving of it than I.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 16 2017, 10:55 PM

Yes, but you are bashing him. I mean, what exactly are you trying to say? That we should bench him and play Storari instead? Or that we should sell him and cash in?

I don't have doubts about Donna, because I believe he'll turn into a fine GK. Patience.

Posted by: Danny Apr 17 2017, 12:16 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 16 2017, 10:55 PM) *
Yes, but you are bashing him.


Not quite. I'm only saying he's not gone forward in 6 months.

QUOTE
I mean, what exactly are you trying to say? That we should bench him and play Storari instead? Or that we should sell him and cash in?


Yup. I'd sell. He'd fetch a boatload of cash to buy a bunch of players including someone who doesn't cost us points. We're not an academy X - he shouldn't be learning his trade in our first team with points on the line.

QUOTE
I don't have doubts about Donna, because I believe he'll turn into a fine GK. Patience.


I don't. I think he peaked 6 months ago and I don't see much development. Right now he isn't impressive.

PS no one has more patience than me - I've waited half a decade for my teams to be good again. Still waiting.

(hopefully you're right on this one rather than me. I'd like to see him improve and realise the potential of last year. But equally we could use the cash)


Posted by: han2503 Apr 17 2017, 02:24 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 16 2017, 07:16 PM) *
The positions to be filled are a cb, a fb, two midfielders and two strikers cause Bacca can go bacca himself off.

laugh.gif laugh.gif

Agreed

On the other hand, I don'€™t think we need 2 strikers, I'€™d rather get 2 wingers instead. Especially since we'€™re most likely going to end up with Suso only for this position (a crucial one in Montella'€™s system). Niang will most likely be redeemed by Watford (please god) Deulofeu is going back to Barca (I'€™m 99% sure of this after their comments this weekend) and Ocampos is heading back from wherever he came from. That means Suso is our only out and out winger for next season.

On the other hand we have Lapadula for the CF and Cutrone is tearing up the Primavera so he could be promoted is push comes to shove.

My point in that the CF position should be the last on the list of priorities for next summer.

As for the rest, I think we need two midfielders if we'€™re talking about the bare minimum here, I personally think we need 3. Pasalic is on loan and I don'€™t think we should keep him, Mati is on loan as well, Kucka is done, Monto is done as well. Bertolacci needs to be sold and Poli as well, Sosa imo is also a question mark. For me the only guaranteed names for next season in midfield are Bona and Locatelli. I'€™d probably keep Kucka and Sosa for depth but the rest can leave (I think the new management will definitely try to sell 3 of our players and let the loanees move on), so midfield could be threadbare by next summer (hopefully) which means we'€™ll need to invest heavily in this position as well

CB would be the 3rd priority and LB the 4th (there was a journo on twitter who claimed to have spoken to Kolasinac'€™s father, said that they still haven'€™t decided where he'€™ll be playing next season and that Milan is still a definite possibility). So the LB position could be filled on a free if things go well with Kolasinac
QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 16 2017, 08:34 PM) *
I do love the 'the kid is only 18' fallacy that is being used over and over again. We have a phrase here in the UK:

'If you're good enough, you're old enough'.

People regularly cut Donnarumma slack 'because he's 18', but guess what - he's AC Milan's goalkeeper - his age should NOT be a factor to justify his mistakes and his 'learning'.

He has been given that position not 'because he's 18', but because he's supposed to be good enough.

Well in the past 6 months, he hasn't been - whether he's 18, 28, or 38 doesn't matter. I'd have agreed that 6 months ago he was indeed showing that astonishing promise you allude to - but for me since then he's gone backwards and simply has not developed.

In short, he is no better than he was, and is definitely worse.

I'm not saying he's absolutely rubbish, but he definitely hasn't improved or learned much in the past half year, which is exactly what an 18 year old kid is supposed to do.

Both goals, the first one especially on Sunday, worried me hugely. A world class goalie would have saved that.

'But it's ok, he's only 18'.

Oh well, it's ok we didn't win then! It costs us points and goals, you know.

I think you'€™re being harsh on him Danny, it'€™s the same with some of the things I'€™ve read about Calabria over the weekend. I think some people have unrealistic expectations of what a youngster can / should be producing

Donna imo is an amazing talent, one that doesn't come around very often. Will he make mistakes? Yes, I personally don'€™t expect him to be perfect, and I also don’t expect him to make jumps in quality each month like I'€™m playing Fifa. I don'€™t think he'€™s regressed either.

In fact, I used to worry about him playing last season, I still didn’t trust him and there were many moments where I thought he should/could have done better. I think he'€™s cut those down a lot this season and I personally feel rather secure with him as the keeper.

Do I expect mistakes like the ones against Inter to happen? Yes, he's not going to be perfect in each game, I don’t remember Buffon much at this age, but I don’t think he was perfect 100% of the time either. You simply have to be patient with younger players

And sure the "€œhe'€™s just 18"€ argument is being used a lot, but it IS a valid argument, he IS just 18. He'€™s still a baby in footballing terms, but I personally believe that our patience will be rewarded with Donna and he will fulfill his promise.
QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 16 2017, 08:35 PM) *
Something about Bacca doesn't fit this system. Never did. Yet despite it, he's still our top scorer with a one in two ratio this season and the highest shot conversion rate in Serie A, I believe.

Bacca is an old fashioned CF that no top team should even try to rely on. I thought he was pretty good last season, quick and efficient in front of goal

But this season he's just been horrible. He’s lost that changes of pace he seemed to have last season, he'™s missed sitters he never would have last season, his dribbling is just awful and the funny thing is that he continues to try to do it even though he loses the ball each time. Did you ever see Pippo trying to dribble players?

He's caught offside about 15 times per game and most of it is because he's lazy. He doesn’t help out his team mates and his hold up play is non-existent. When Lapadula comes on you instantly see the change in how the attack functions. He instantly gets involved, makes sure to bring the wingers and mids into the play and is just generally smart in how he moves about the pitch. Personally, I think Montella only plays him because the club has their eye on the market and don’t want Bacca'€™s value to go any deeper down the toilet

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 16 2017, 08:42 PM) *
He's not Shevchenko not is he Inzaghi, I see where your coming from Danny but you got to admit the standard is definitely higher than Bacca. He is our highest scorer because he is our only proper striker and his shot conversion rate is high because he rarely takes the shot I guess. Regardless, he could be as profilic as can be, he still needs to go tongue.gif

Plus he takes our penalties. 13 goals with nearly half of them being pens for a so called 30m striker is appaling
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 16 2017, 08:46 PM) *
I think you're exaggerating on every argument you make.

The GK position is not like other positions. It needs more time, hence why most goalkeepers reach a maturity phase much later in their careers than other players.

Donna is still a child, and for someone of that age he has shown great things in leaps and bounds. His biggest flaw and where he needs to improve the most is positioning. Once he grasps that aspect then he can be considered world-class.

Right now he's simply a talented kid that's been overhyped by the media and fans, and that has A LOT to improve upon.

Agreed
QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 17 2017, 12:16 PM) *
Not quite. I'm only saying he's not gone forward in 6 months.



Yup. I'd sell. He'd fetch a boatload of cash to buy a bunch of players including someone who doesn't cost us points. We're not an academy X - he shouldn't be learning his trade in our first team with points on the line.



I don't. I think he peaked 6 months ago and I don't see much development. Right now he isn't impressive.

PS no one has more patience than me - I've waited half a decade for my teams to be good again. Still waiting.

(hopefully you're right on this one rather than me. I'd like to see him improve and realise the potential of last year. But equally we could use the cash)

We don'€™t need the money, and certainly not at the expense of Donna. Selling someone like him is not only a bad thing footballing wise, but it's also a bad move in terms of the stature of the club. It would be a bad statement from us to sell someone like him

Posted by: Danny Apr 17 2017, 03:19 PM

The hell's up with your keyboard buddy biggrin.gif

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 17 2017, 03:38 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 17 2017, 09:49 PM) *
The hell's up with your keyboard buddy biggrin.gif


@Danny:

He's trying to impress our new Chinese overlords with some Chinese characters thrown in there.

Btw, I disagree with your on Gigio. I believe it's about time we show patience with youth. Selling off talent because they take time to mature is the kind of thinking that resulted in us losing out on Darmian, Aubameyang(though this one is a special case) etc etc.

My opinion is his sudden growth in his initial stages led you to believe it was going to be a similar state of growth. But then you're looking at the best goalkeeper in the world in <3 years - So when he's 21. In which case Danny this isn't a 150MM transfer, we're talking the Leo Messi of goalkeepers.

For me, name any other side in positions 4->10 in their league who's got a better GK than Milan does with Gigio. I don't see anyone except De Gea, so that's the end of that. Gigio stays.

BTW, on the topic of Deulofeu I think he's almost certainly leaving. I'm curious for your thoughts on Samir Nasri. I like him because I think he can be our ideal Bonaventura like player. Can play in the front three or the mid three. He's also been immense for Sevilla this season.

Posted by: Danny Apr 17 2017, 09:13 PM

Darmian, the stunning RB who's been such a hit in England, you mean (!)

As for Gigio; that was very unlike you, to be hysterical with an opinion. If I am guilty of underplaying his gravity, you're guilty of the opposite.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 18 2017, 06:32 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 17 2017, 03:19 PM) *
The hell's up with your keyboard buddy biggrin.gif

Mine?

My post looks fine to me, but I'm at work and using a proxy so it could be messing up my posts. But it looks fine to me from my end

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 17 2017, 03:38 PM) *
@Danny:

He's trying to impress our new Chinese overlords with some Chinese characters thrown in there.

Btw, I disagree with your on Gigio. I believe it's about time we show patience with youth. Selling off talent because they take time to mature is the kind of thinking that resulted in us losing out on Darmian, Aubameyang(though this one is a special case) etc etc.

My opinion is his sudden growth in his initial stages led you to believe it was going to be a similar state of growth. But then you're looking at the best goalkeeper in the world in <3 years - So when he's 21. In which case Danny this isn't a 150MM transfer, we're talking the Leo Messi of goalkeepers.

For me, name any other side in positions 4->10 in their league who's got a better GK than Milan does with Gigio. I don't see anyone except De Gea, so that's the end of that. Gigio stays.

BTW, on the topic of Deulofeu I think he's almost certainly leaving. I'm curious for your thoughts on Samir Nasri. I like him because I think he can be our ideal Bonaventura like player. Can play in the front three or the mid three. He's also been immense for Sevilla this season.

Nasri? Haven't heard of him in a while. But for me, he's a definate no, and screams of the B & G era of desperation

Posted by: Danny Apr 18 2017, 11:00 AM

Nasri is a player of great potential back in the day but a wasted talent and unprofessional and that's why he's on loan now at Sevilla rather than being a permanent fixture at City.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 18 2017, 07:59 PM

So Morals and Cesc seem to be the preliminary names for this summer. Think it's a step in the right direction. But I'm gonna hold out for a big name signing when our fixture list involves the CL. Then only can we attract Milan quality ... been a while since I used that word devil.gif

Posted by: han2503 Apr 18 2017, 10:10 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 18 2017, 07:59 PM) *
So Morals and Cesc seem to be the preliminary names for this summer. Think it's a step in the right direction. But I'm gonna hold out for a big name signing when our fixture list involves the CL. Then only can we attract Milan quality ... been a while since I used that word devil.gif

Who's Morals?

And Cesc is a statement signing in and of himself imo. Sure he's sitting at Chelsea, but he's been great for them whenever he's played, he just doesn't fit Conte's system, which I personally find strange for a coach who was able to revive Pirlo's career.

That being said, if this agreement between club and player is true, it would be a massive coupe for us, and their loss would definitely be our gain. He can easily give us 3 to 4 years of top level football.

Posted by: Danny Apr 19 2017, 11:42 AM

Cesc and Pirlo are subtly different. Pirlo is a deep lying regista, picking out the pass and orchestrating things from deep. I don't like the word metronome but that's the label given him.

Cesc is far more mobile - he is stronger, more physical, and while he picks out the pass too, he gets more advanced than Pirlo. Or tries to. While he is not quite a trequartista, he's probably closer to that than being a regista.

So it's not hugely shocking that a team filled with attacking and creative talent struggles to accommodate Cesc.

Mind you, there are rumours Inter are trying to lure Conte back to Italy.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Apr 19 2017, 03:32 PM

Relating to Donna, I would not worry too much about an occasional mistake or two at his age (have we already forgotten Dida?). Not worried about the fact that he has not matured in the last 6 months (will worry if there are no changes in the next year or two). However, if a large enough offer materializes, most likely Raiola will put pressure on him to leave, so we may not have much of a choice.

As for other potential transfers, all we have right now is speculation, so I will wait to see what actually happens. Soon enough, we will get to see how good our new management really is. 150M (assuming that's what we have to spend) is not that much money these days, especially if we start going after big names (for example, I believe Morata is in the 100M range). Salaries will be a concern as well (we have already seen what can happen if you are not careful). As a result, there needs to be some balance. Perhaps a big name or maybe two, but also some wise choices. FWIW, I think Cesc would be good to have, as he will bring quality and (hopefully) will not be that expensive.

Posted by: Danny Apr 19 2017, 08:37 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Apr 19 2017, 03:32 PM) *
Relating to Donna, I would not worry too much about an occasional mistake or two at his age (have we already forgotten Dida?). Not worried about the fact that he has not matured in the last 6 months (will worry if there are no changes in the next year or two). However, if a large enough offer materializes, most likely Raiola will put pressure on him to leave, so we may not have much of a choice.


Well at least I'm not the only one saying it biggrin.gif

I do sense a little misunderstanding about my view on him - I do think he is a special talent to have been as good as he is at this age - but the lack of improvement over the past half year and arguable regression (most matches see two or three errors now, one usually being big - that just wasn't the case 6 months ago) is concerning and is a case against his being the Greatest Goalie Ever in the Future Of All TIME! If he recaptures that old form and starts to look like he can save shots like Icardi's weak opener in the derby, I'll be happy again. I am just a little worried about the slack people give him when there's points on the line.

Milan are more important than any individual player's future.

Posted by: amancik Apr 20 2017, 01:23 PM

We must not make the mistake of selling our precious young talents just because we have money now. They are the backbone of this Milan team at the moment. We should spend on experienced players and champions to strengthen and add depth, not replace the good ones that we have right now. I'd like to see Aubameyang, Deulofeu, Fabregas/Pastore, Musacchio, and someone similar to Kante being brought in the summer.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 20 2017, 03:41 PM

QUOTE (amancik @ Apr 20 2017, 07:53 PM) *
We must not make the mistake of selling our precious young talents just because we have money now. They are the backbone of this Milan team at the moment. We should spend on experienced players and champions to strengthen and add depth, not replace the good ones that we have right now. I'd like to see Aubameyang, Deulofeu, Fabregas/Pastore, Musacchio, and someone similar to Kante being brought in the summer.


All the other names are fine. Not sure of Aubameyang. He's a speed merchant who'll cost us close to 70 MM for 2-3 years more at max. Is he really that worth it?

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 20 2017, 10:03 PM

What about this Mbappe kid? I read most big clubs want him already.

Posted by: Danny Apr 21 2017, 02:27 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 20 2017, 10:03 PM) *
What about this Mbappe kid? I read most big clubs want him already.


He's incredible. I've watched him. Quite a few times now. I think he's on his way to becoming the best striker around. He just makes the game look so incredibly easy - seems to have a telepathic understanding of the game and reads it so well - his instinct and anticipation are world beaters.

He strolled Ligue 1 this season, makes UCL look a dawdle - if Milan signed him I would literally run the entire circumference of Glasgow naked and upload it to YouTube.

PS he's also 18, is the youngest player in Ligue 1 history to score a hat trick and has a conversion rate in Ligue 1 and UCL of 1 in 3:

QUOTE
Of the 59 players to score 10 or more goals this season, Mbappe has the best conversion rate (32.4 per cent) in Europe's top five leagues.



Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 21 2017, 11:41 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 21 2017, 08:57 AM) *
He's incredible. I've watched him. Quite a few times now. I think he's on his way to becoming the best striker around. He just makes the game look so incredibly easy - seems to have a telepathic understanding of the game and reads it so well - his instinct and anticipation are world beaters.

He strolled Ligue 1 this season, makes UCL look a dawdle - if Milan signed him I would literally run the entire circumference of Glasgow naked and upload it to YouTube.

PS he's also 18, is the youngest player in Ligue 1 history to score a hat trick and has a conversion rate in Ligue 1 and UCL of 1 in 3:


I want us to sign him just so I can see Danny running naked. He's amazing. So the four youngsters who've really impressed me this season in Europe have been -

1. Mbappe
2. Dembele (Ousmane)
3. Tielemans
4. Pusilic

I'd be thrilled if we could sign any one of them. The first two being forwards are going to have exaggerated fees (70MM+), but the other two might come in for 30-50 MM.

But considering Milan are saying, we'll only spend 50 MM this window not including cash from player sales - not sure what the likelihood is of anything happening.

Posted by: Danny Apr 21 2017, 11:46 AM

Yes, was lumbering into this thread to post that and you stole my thunder, Sparrow.

But yes, that 50M Euros story has resurfaced again and is starting to look more real. More than a bit disappointing but it still means two 20M players and one 10M. Which definitely rules out Mbappe!

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 21 2017, 12:01 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 21 2017, 06:16 PM) *
Yes, was lumbering into this thread to post that and you stole my thunder, Sparrow.

But yes, that 50M Euros story has resurfaced again and is starting to look more real. More than a bit disappointing but it still means two 20M players and one 10M. Which definitely rules out Mbappe!


I'm hoping this is a budgeting thing. Meaning 50 MM is total outlay, which if you consider amortized payments is perfectly reasonable.

Posted by: amancik Apr 21 2017, 01:26 PM

What do you guys think about Pasalic. Do you think we should sign him for permanent deal? On Aubameyang, I just think that combine with Suso and Deulofeu, that's a pretty menacing and unpredictable attack.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 21 2017, 04:04 PM

QUOTE (amancik @ Apr 21 2017, 07:56 PM) *
What do you guys think about Pasalic. Do you think we should sign him for permanent deal? On Aubameyang, I just think that combine with Suso and Deulofeu, that's a pretty menacing and unpredictable attack.


Yes, it will be. But think of the cost involved? I understand we're probably losing Deu and Bacca and Ocampos next season. So we might have to rebuild the whole attack. Spending all of 70MM on one striker seems a bit risky.

Posted by: Danny Apr 21 2017, 06:52 PM

QUOTE (amancik @ Apr 21 2017, 01:26 PM) *
What do you guys think about Pasalic. Do you think we should sign him for permanent deal? On Aubameyang, I just think that combine with Suso and Deulofeu, that's a pretty menacing and unpredictable attack.


I seem to be one of the few on here who's advocated Pasalic. I like him. He's not exceptional, but he's a hard worker, gets forward well, and he's enthusiastic. He also scores the odd goal here and there. I'd keep him.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 23 2017, 03:24 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 22 2017, 01:22 AM) *
I seem to be one of the few on here who's advocated Pasalic. I like him. He's not exceptional, but he's a hard worker, gets forward well, and he's enthusiastic. He also scores the odd goal here and there. I'd keep him.


If we are rebuilding our midfield, then Pasalic seems an expensive proposition to purchase just for depth.

Meanwhile Tuttosport are running a story claiming De Sciglio told Milan, he's not interested in renewing and will be joining Juve. I'd call BS, because if this were the case, why make him Captain.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 23 2017, 03:34 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 23 2017, 03:24 PM) *
If we are rebuilding our midfield, then Pasalic seems an expensive proposition to purchase just for depth.

Meanwhile Tuttosport are running a story claiming De Sciglio told Milan, he's not interested in renewing and will be joining Juve. I'd call BS, because if this were the case, why make him Captain.


Because Montolivo and Abate are injured. MDS isn't our captain, he's just filling in.

And honestly, considering how bad he's been on a constant basis, it wouldn't be the end if he left.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 24 2017, 04:06 AM

DS can bugger off, he is no Maldini.

Posted by: Ry4n Apr 24 2017, 11:52 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 24 2017, 08:06 AM) *
DS can bugger off, he is no Maldini.

could agree with that anyone that wants to leave can leave for a price. we should get every thing we can get from him to juve.

Posted by: Danny Apr 24 2017, 01:03 PM

The fans have lost patience with MDS. They've caught up with me after 5 years. Took them a while!

He was booed off yesterday and was confronted by fans after the match - with his mum and dad in the car.

This kid isn't staying and I for one am delighted. That said I don't condone the abuse, never nice hearing a Milan player booed off while being subbed. And definitely not the personal aftermath following the match.

But yeah, he can do one. Been an insult to the jersey for the best part of four years. Cannot understand why he's held his place when Antonelli, an honest and decent pro who gives it all and rarely lets us down, is ignored. That said he's lost his deputy slot to Vangioni as it is!

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 24 2017, 06:07 PM

Raiola wants a €4.5m salary for Donnarumma, Milan currently offering €3.5m. Conti is the first option to replace De Sciglio. Milan are also interested in Keita, who won't renew with Lazio. It is unlikely that Milan will sign Aubameyang or Morata. They could make an attempt for Dzeko. #Mediaset

Mirabelli spoke to De Sciglio today. There is a chance of a seperation in the summer as a renewal is not a priority for De Sciglio, according to Sky.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 24 2017, 06:34 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 21 2017, 12:03 AM) *
What about this Mbappe kid? I read most big clubs want him already.

I think Mbappe is exactly what we don't need right now. We're already filled with talents and youngsters. I'm not suggesting we sign has-been's like Dzeko either, but Mbappe would cost us probably a small fortune after the seasons he's having with Monaco.

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Apr 21 2017, 01:41 PM) *
I want us to sign him just so I can see Danny running naked. He's amazing. So the four youngsters who've really impressed me this season in Europe have been -

1. Mbappe
2. Dembele (Ousmane)
3. Tielemans
4. Pusilic

I'd be thrilled if we could sign any one of them. The first two being forwards are going to have exaggerated fees (70MM+), but the other two might come in for 30-50 MM.

But considering Milan are saying, we'll only spend 50 MM this window not including cash from player sales - not sure what the likelihood is of anything happening.

Jack this is fantasy mode. Why would Dortmund ever give up on Dembele and Pulisic after only one season? I don't think so. They do know that the later they go the bigger the prize.

As for Tielemans, why not? We should look at potential talents like Gnabry (Werder), Plea (Nice), etc. But I'd much rather we invest in our scouting program and invent our very own "Pulisic" or "Dembele". Meanwhile we should be signing marquee players who'll instantly make us better, more fluent and modern.


QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Apr 24 2017, 08:07 PM) *
Raiola wants a €4.5m salary for Donnarumma, Milan currently offering €3.5m. Conti is the first option to replace De Sciglio. Milan are also interested in Keita, who won't renew with Lazio. It is unlikely that Milan will sign Aubameyang or Morata. They could make an attempt for Dzeko. #Mediaset

Mirabelli spoke to De Sciglio today. There is a chance of a seperation in the summer as a renewal is not a priority for De Sciglio, according to Sky.

All bad news. I think we should try to keep MDS in our team nevertheless.

While players like Aubameyang and Morata would make us much more effective and dangerous, Dzeko is just mediocre to good. I'd be really against this deal, especially because he would still cost us much.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 24 2017, 06:38 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 24 2017, 03:03 PM) *
The fans have lost patience with MDS. They've caught up with me after 5 years. Took them a while!

He was booed off yesterday and was confronted by fans after the match - with his mum and dad in the car.

This kid isn't staying and I for one am delighted. That said I don't condone the abuse, never nice hearing a Milan player booed off while being subbed. And definitely not the personal aftermath following the match.

But yeah, he can do one. Been an insult to the jersey for the best part of four years. Cannot understand why he's held his place when Antonelli, an honest and decent pro who gives it all and rarely lets us down, is ignored. That said he's lost his deputy slot to Vangioni as it is!

Why do you think booing someone off is abusive? I think we all became a bit soft and this is exactly the problem with MDS. I remember back years ago that booing off a player could also potentially give someone the extra motivation to do better and achieve more. I think we've all become hypersensitive and receptive.

Don't et me wrong, confronting a player (and his parents) should be instantly condoned, but booing someone off - well it's a part of the footballing "folklore".

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 24 2017, 07:22 PM

Fillipo, have you seen Dzeko this season? The guy has been a scoring machine.

That being said, I'd look for someone younger.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 24 2017, 07:46 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 24 2017, 09:22 PM) *
Fillipo, have you seen Dzeko this season? The guy has been a scoring machine.

That being said, I'd look for someone younger.

Yes. But the Roma midfield and playing system is helping immensely. I've also seen him struggle (last season and England). Dzeko is a good striker if you have fine or excellent support. But he's not the player that real excels/lifts the whole team with his own moves. He would be very expansive but wouldn't come close to the impact for example Morata or Auba would do.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 24 2017, 08:47 PM

Morata? I highly doubt he's the answer. The guy struggled to score at Juve where he was supported by a superb midfield.

If we're looking for a striker that can make the difference by himself, then I don't know who we should go after. Belotti is lethal, but like Dzeko he thrives on support.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 24 2017, 08:54 PM

Really? I got the impression that wherever, whenever, Morata usually delivers at a high rate.

Posted by: Danny Apr 24 2017, 09:09 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 24 2017, 06:38 PM) *
Why do you think booing someone off is abusive? I think we all became a bit soft and this is exactly the problem with MDS. I remember back years ago that booing off a player could also potentially give someone the extra motivation to do better and achieve more. I think we've all become hypersensitive and receptive.

Don't et me wrong, confronting a player (and his parents) should be instantly condoned, but booing someone off - well it's a part of the footballing "folklore".


I don't like seeing our players booed off but that wasn't the bit I meant by re: 'abusive'. I admit that wasn't totally clear.

Posted by: Danny Apr 24 2017, 09:09 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 24 2017, 08:54 PM) *
Really? I got the impression that wherever, whenever, Morata usually delivers at a high rate.


Have to agree - world class striker and absolutely would take him. Not as good as Mbappe mind you.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 24 2017, 09:26 PM

He scored a total of 27 goals in 93 games with Juventus. That's hardly a record to be proud of. Sure, he's scored 17 goals in 36 games with Madrid this season, but it's La Liga and Real Madrid we're talking about. They score a ridiculous amount of goals per game.

Not saying Morata is a bad player, mind you, but I don't think he'd make a difference for us. I'd rather keep Bacca and invest heavily in other areas.

Posted by: Danny Apr 25 2017, 12:52 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 24 2017, 09:26 PM) *
He scored a total of 27 goals in 93 games with Juventus. That's hardly a record to be proud of. Sure, he's scored 17 goals in 36 games with Madrid this season, but it's La Liga and Real Madrid we're talking about. They score a ridiculous amount of goals per game.


In Morata's defence he's never a first choice. His whole career has been playing second fiddle to either Dybala, Tevez, Benzema or Ronaldo etc. He's made a hell of a lot of sub appearances, and I'd have to say a career sub at his age with a 24 in 45 rate for this season in all competitions for all his teams is pretty good going.

QUOTE
Not saying Morata is a bad player, mind you, but I don't think he'd make a difference for us. I'd rather keep Bacca and invest heavily in other areas.


I think it depends on what system we play next season. I agree another Bacca type is no good, but then that only applies in our current setup. Bacca could thrive next season in a different tactical system. Morata, for me, is a very similar type of player, only he's a younger model.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 25 2017, 05:06 AM

TopCalcio24: Milan want to keep Deulofeu, Mirabelli is ready to offer €20m to Barcelona. Bacca towards a permanence. For Kolasinac everything is still open but Arsenal are offering a higher salary to the player. Musacchio is no longer a priority for the defence. Despite the denials, Milan spoke with Lazio for Keita, his arrival is not related to the possible permanence of Deulofeu.

There are no negotiations for Luiz Gustavo. The only contact was 2 months ago when Mirabelli went on tour in Germany. #TMW

GdS: Fassone and Mirabelli intentions are to renew Donnarumma's contract untill 2022 with €3.2m per season salary. They also want to hand Donnarumma the captain armband. However Raiola might want more time, he would like to see the signings of Milan.

Top clubs like Real Madrid, City & United would be ready to offer Donnarumma a €7.5m per season salary and €50m to Milan. In case Donnarumma renews it would be a Pogba style agreement with a percentage for a future sale. #GdS

Mirabelli told De Sciglio yesterday that soon they will have to sit on the table to make a decision, probably this week. Milan intend to renew with De Sciglio. De Sciglio will listen and then decide. But it is possible he will leave for another club, maybe Juventus. #GdS

Fassone is also working on Suso's renewal until 2021 with €2.5m + bonuses per season. Suso's father is optimistic about reaching an agreement. #GdS

Donnarumma will become the 7th most paid goalkeeper if he accept Milan's offer. #GdS

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 25 2017, 06:17 AM

^^

I like this. Move fast and have 80% of the team complete before pre-season camp.

Posted by: Danny Apr 25 2017, 10:29 PM

Gigio negotiations haven't gone well - we can only offer around 3M a year (as said above) while Utd etc are ready to offer 7. Any deal will see a big cut for Mino too and word is we're ready to sell for 50M rather than lose for free next year. Ok, re-reading Darc and he said some of that already haha.

MDS is also looking like a goner - he's not interested in staying.

But at least we're probably keeping SUSO (!)

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 25 2017, 11:17 PM

I think keeping Donnaruma is a priority. Even if it means raising his wages. How come we have so much trouble in doing this?

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 26 2017, 08:50 AM

Milan are interested in Darmian as a replacement of De Sciglio in case he doesn't renew his contract. #GdS

#CorSport: Juve-Napoli on the race for De Sciglio. Milan-Inter for De Vrij.

Fabrizio Romano: Milan are interested in signing Real Madrid midfielder Mateo Kovacic, with Montella approving him in a potential deal. Zidane likes him, but he hasn't played much, however the real problem is his €30M+ price tag. Mirabelli has added him in his list.

Fabrizio Romano: Milan and Montella want to keep Pasalic. It will be difficult because Conte and Chelsea like him. Milan will count on the player's will.


1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Maybe
4. No

Posted by: Danny Apr 26 2017, 12:58 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 25 2017, 11:17 PM) *
I think keeping Donnaruma is a priority. Even if it means raising his wages. How come we have so much trouble in doing this?


We still don't seem to actually have money. Our new owners' cash seems locked away in US loans.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Apr 26 2017, 02:30 PM

Good God! A neverending story... When will situation be resolved?

Posted by: Danny Apr 26 2017, 02:40 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 26 2017, 02:30 PM) *
Good God! A neverending story... When will situation be resolved?


Unknown. Basically if Lux don't pay back the holding company around 300M in loans that they're owed, we are in deep doodoo because suddenly we're then owned by an American hedge fund who don't want us and will sell us to anyone who'll take us.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 26 2017, 02:52 PM

For De Sciglio, there is not only Juventus, but the defender is also liked by Bayern and City. #Repubblica

Mediaset: De Sciglio is disappointed with Milan and has decided to leave. He was disappointed with the club who didn't issue any official announcement to defend him. And with Montella who didn't gave him explanations after the replacement. Juventus will offer Milan €10m for player.

Mediaset | Watford are impressed by Niang and are likely to buy him from Milan for €18m this summer.

Paolo Berlusconi: "Why Silvio refused the honorary role? He asked if he can talk with the coach, perhaps giving directions, the answer was no."



Posted by: Danny Apr 26 2017, 03:24 PM

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Apr 26 2017, 02:52 PM) *
For De Sciglio, there is not only Juventus, but the defender is also liked by Bayern and City. #Repubblica

Mediaset: De Sciglio is disappointed with Milan and has decided to leave. He was disappointed with the club who didn't issue any official announcement to defend him. And with Montella who didn't gave him explanations after the replacement. Juventus will offer Milan €10m for player.


QUOTE
"Danny is disappointed with De Sciglio and has been for five years"

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 26 2017, 08:26 PM

I think we should be optimistic about the new owners. I know Silvio is a greedy, senile MOFO, but one thing I'm certain of is that he wouldn't sell Milan to someone he isn't sure of.

Posted by: Danny Apr 28 2017, 02:33 PM

We've made enquiries over Napoli's Ghoulam to replace MDS.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 28 2017, 02:55 PM

CorSera | Milan are ready to offer Donnarumma a €3.2m/year contract+give his brother Antonio a contract to be the backup goalkeeper.

GdS | Milan have reached an agreement with Lazio for central defender Stefan De Vrij for €25M. Milan now have to reach an agreement with the player to beat out Inter. Milan will likely offer a 4-year deal worth €4M+bonuses. Fassone and Mirabelli have already spoken with the agents of the player and should meet them again next week.

GdS | Today there will be decisive meeting between Mirabelli, Fassone and De Sciglio's entourage, where he will ask to be sold.

GdS | Mirabelli and Fassone will meet with Suso's agent next week where they will look to extend his contract until 2021. Before signing however Suso wants to know everything: the project of the new owners, eventual signings and targets. Suso is doing fine at Milan, but before signing he wants to know every detail.

The only player in the midfield who has a big chance of staying (besides Locatelli of course) is KUCO. - Tmw.

Honda and Storari will leave Milan at the end of the season as their contracts expire. - Tmw

Bertolacci, Sosa and Poli seem destined to leave Milan. - Tmw.

Next week, Fassone and Mirabelli will have a decisive meeting with De Vrij's agent to agree personal terms. Milan are willing to offer De Vrij a four-year contract worth €4m+bonuses linked to Champions League qualification.
Gazzetta Dello Sport.

MN | The meeting between Mirabelli and Ghoulam's agents is over. He is now heading to Milanello.


Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 28 2017, 08:03 PM

Nothing was defined in the meeting between Fassone, Mirabelli and De Sciglio's agents. The parties will meet again in the coming weeks. #MN


Pellegrini's agent is in Casa Milan to talk with Fassone & Mirabelli for a possible transfer to Milan. Pellegrini's agent leaving Casa Milan. #MN

Sampdoria have now shown interest in signing Lapadula. #DiMarzio

Milan continue contacts with Musacchio. The argentine has Italian passport. #DiMarzio


Posted by: X-Offender Apr 28 2017, 08:20 PM

How good is De Vrij?

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 28 2017, 09:20 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 28 2017, 10:20 PM) *
How good is De Vrij?


IMO the best we can get with 20-30 million. Better than Musachio without a doubt. I really like him, he would pair perfectly with Romagnoli.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Apr 28 2017, 09:57 PM

Milan shedding the mediocre skin off.

Btw about the 50M transfer budget allocated to this summer. Iv read on fi that Milan is issuing a bond value 123M (73M goes to repay Milan debt and the remaining 50M to the summer transfer market) under written by Elliott HF (meaning they get fees for selling the paper/bond). Raising this bond means; 123M of cash is coming to Milan while 123M of Milan is going to bond holders for a return that Milan has to pay (not sure what yield % and maturity/tenor). If this is true, then the tight capital controls placed by Beijing that almost collapsed the sale of the club in the first place is still also affecting our summer transfer plans.


Oh FYI Elliott have control over Milan's board until Li repays them the 303M @11% interest bridge loan which is maturing in 18 months from this month.

Continuing on the report I read, Li is planning on raising 100M in new capital (obviously once Beijing releases the funds). Yet given the above, I'm not too ecstatic about that as there is a 303M expensive debt that is to be repaid asap.


The bond issuance is an interesting concept, it would set up a yield curve (ie demand) for calico issued debt. But on the flip side you are effectively carving out 123M of Milan and handing it over to different people. If Milan default on payment, in comes the courts and the likes.

This vs the out of pocket policy Silvio had adopted for the majority of his 3 decade reign.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 28 2017, 10:46 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 24 2017, 01:03 PM) *
The fans have lost patience with MDS. They've caught up with me after 5 years. Took them a while!

He was booed off yesterday and was confronted by fans after the match - with his mum and dad in the car.

This kid isn't staying and I for one am delighted. That said I don't condone the abuse, never nice hearing a Milan player booed off while being subbed. And definitely not the personal aftermath following the match.

But yeah, he can do one. Been an insult to the jersey for the best part of four years. Cannot understand why he's held his place when Antonelli, an honest and decent pro who gives it all and rarely lets us down, is ignored. That said he's lost his deputy slot to Vangioni as it is!

DS is a strange case. He showed so much promise back when he first came onto the scene, then came a couple of long term injuries and he seems to have completely lost the plot, I think this season he's been good in most of the games, had a couple of stinkers, like the derby and the Empoli game, but generally, he's been good.

Do I think we should try to keep him? I don't know, if he wants to go to Juve, I'd say f@ck him, let him sit on that bench, but we need to make sure to at least get good cash off of them. They've ripped us off one too many times in the recent past, now it's our chance.

Ideally though, if he's going to be sold than it should be to a club outside of Italy, we don't want to see another Pirlo situation happening, and no matter how good or bad people think DS has been, I'm pretty sure he'll be good for Juve

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 24 2017, 06:34 PM) *
I think Mbappe is exactly what we don't need right now. We're already filled with talents and youngsters. I'm not suggesting we sign has-been's like Dzeko either, but Mbappe would cost us probably a small fortune after the seasons he's having with Monaco.


Jack this is fantasy mode. Why would Dortmund ever give up on Dembele and Pulisic after only one season? I don't think so. They do know that the later they go the bigger the prize.

As for Tielemans, why not? We should look at potential talents like Gnabry (Werder), Plea (Nice), etc. But I'd much rather we invest in our scouting program and invent our very own "Pulisic" or "Dembele". Meanwhile we should be signing marquee players who'll instantly make us better, more fluent and modern.



All bad news. I think we should try to keep MDS in our team nevertheless.

While players like Aubameyang and Morata would make us much more effective and dangerous, Dzeko is just mediocre to good. I'd be really against this deal, especially because he would still cost us much.

Agreed, as for Mbappe, forget about him, there's no way on God's green Earth that we could ever sign him, he's either going to Real/Barca or maybe an EPL club (if they offer him something crazy)

He's the hottest name out there atm, he won't be coming to Italy, not with Juve, not with Napoli and defo not with us

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 24 2017, 06:38 PM) *
Why do you think booing someone off is abusive? I think we all became a bit soft and this is exactly the problem with MDS. I remember back years ago that booing off a player could also potentially give someone the extra motivation to do better and achieve more. I think we've all become hypersensitive and receptive.

Don't et me wrong, confronting a player (and his parents) should be instantly condoned, but booing someone off - well it's a part of the footballing "folklore".

Yeah, booing is definitely parts of this sport's culture, especially in Italy. If DS can't handle that then it's his problem, the stuff outside the stadium though is definitely condemnable.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 24 2017, 07:22 PM) *
Fillipo, have you seen Dzeko this season? The guy has been a scoring machine.

That being said, I'd look for someone younger.

Dzeko is a simple target man, he's not the kind of guy we need. Sure he's better than Bacca and has better tools to make it in Serie A, but he definitely benefits from the fact that Roma is probably one of the most prolific chance creators is Europe. Dzeko also misses a boatload of chances per season.

We need someone mobile, who's not just a simple poacher but can do it all. In a few words, we need a Sheva/Ibra and not a Pippo/Gila

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 24 2017, 08:47 PM) *
Morata? I highly doubt he's the answer. The guy struggled to score at Juve where he was supported by a superb midfield.

If we're looking for a striker that can make the difference by himself, then I don't know who we should go after. Belotti is lethal, but like Dzeko he thrives on support.

Morata is also another striker that I would lump into the same category with Dzeko, he's just not what we need imo.

You know, if it were me, I'd be looking at someone like Aguero, his situation is similar to Fabregas', Pep doesn't want him for some reason, and he'll most likely leave City this summer. This could be a golden opportunity if we have the money to sign him then we should be going all in to get him.

Belotti could be another name, but I can't see us meeting Cairo's crazy 100m release clause, and for a striker who has only had one really great season so far in Serie A, he's not worth that much, at least not yet

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 25 2017, 12:52 AM) *
In Morata's defence he's never a first choice. His whole career has been playing second fiddle to either Dybala, Tevez, Benzema or Ronaldo etc. He's made a hell of a lot of sub appearances, and I'd have to say a career sub at his age with a 24 in 45 rate for this season in all competitions for all his teams is pretty good going.



I think it depends on what system we play next season. I agree another Bacca type is no good, but then that only applies in our current setup. Bacca could thrive next season in a different tactical system. Morata, for me, is a very similar type of player, only he's a younger model.

I think next season Montella will either stick to a 4-3-3 or he'll switch to a 4-2-3-1, depending on the type of players we'll buy. I can't see him deviating much from that tbh. And if Montella can get the kind of midfielders he likes (smart, technical players) then our striker WILL score goals, no matter who that is, that's why I don't think we should be focusing that much on CFs atm, our midfield is definitely the most neglected area of this team, and until we fix it, we can get whoever we want at the back or in front, it won't change much of anything.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 25 2017, 11:17 PM) *
I think keeping Donnaruma is a priority. Even if it means raising his wages. How come we have so much trouble in doing this?

Agreed. And I think it's obvious that Donna's renewal is at the very top of the list atm, but I definitely like how quick Mirabelli is being. He's already feeling out a lot of agents, see where their players stand. I personally think he already has a couple of deals locked down for the summer. It will definitely be interesting to see how he'll work. I don't think I can remember a time when we last had a proper, well thought out mercato tbh. Probably when we got Nesta

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 26 2017, 08:26 PM) *
I think we should be optimistic about the new owners. I know Silvio is a greedy, senile MOFO, but one thing I'm certain of is that he wouldn't sell Milan to someone he isn't sure of.

Yeah, I personally like what I've heard and saw from Fassone/Mirabelli so far

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 28 2017, 08:20 PM) *
How good is De Vrij?

He's great imo, one of the best CBs in he league. A bit injury prone but we'll see. For 25m in today's market, he'd be a total steel. And if we can get Musacchio as well on top of that, I'd say we're set in the CB department for the next few years

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 29 2017, 10:42 AM

According to TuttoSport and CorSport Raiola has offered Donnaruma to Inter. laugh.gif laugh.gif


Posted by: X-Offender Apr 29 2017, 12:33 PM

Rumors about Atalanta's Kessie. Very good player, but Atalanta want 30 million.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 29 2017, 12:49 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 29 2017, 02:33 PM) *
Rumors about Atalanta's Kessie. Very good player, but Atalanta want 30 million.


Alfredo Pedulla: "In the last hours, Milan have offered Franck Kessie €2m+bonuses/year which is almost twice what Roma is offering him."

Sky Sport-24: Në këtë moment, Milani ka pasur kontakte me agjentin e argjentinasit Lucas Biglia, dhe është një objektiv. Për Kessie, Milani është ende në garë, edhe pse Roma tashmë ka arritur një marrëveshje me Atalantan për 30milion euro. Por mungon marrëveshja me lojtarin që kërkon pagë 2milion euro, ai ka një javë kohë për të vendosur.

Tuttomercatoweb: Milan, Ghoulam, ndryshe nga Insigne nuk konsiderohet një element thelbësor për sezonin e ardhshëm. Kontakte për rinovimin kanë ndodhur por për një ofertë 15milion euro lojtari do të largohet. Napoli po ndjek me vëmëndje dhe situatën e De Scgilios, që po kalon një situatë të ngjashme me Ghoulam: kontrata i mbaron në 2018 të dyve dhe nuk kanë dëshirë të rinovojnë për të provuar një eksperiencë të re. Fakte që paralajmërojnë një shkëmbim De Scgilio-Ghoulam sepse të dy vlerësohen 13-15milion euro.




SKY : De Sciglio reiterated his will to be sold. Juventus, Napoli, Bayern, Man City and Liverpool are interested.


Posted by: Danny Apr 29 2017, 04:14 PM

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Apr 29 2017, 10:42 AM) *
According to TuttoSport and CorSport Raiola has offered Donnaruma to Inter. laugh.gif laugh.gif


Designed to put pressure on us to offer the wage both parties want. Mino wants his plush cut.

Posted by: han2503 Apr 29 2017, 04:59 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 29 2017, 04:14 PM) *
Designed to put pressure on us to offer the wage both parties want. Mino wants his plush cut.

At the end it's up to Donna, all this talk is just conjecture, I think that in the end he'll renew, I personally don't think Raiola is pushing donna to change clubs (at least not yet) he'll be worth much more when he's a bit older, no reason to move now. The press is just writing their narrative to suite their agenda

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 29 2017, 05:21 PM

http://lineupbuilder.com/?sk=t9r8

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Posted by: d'Arc.LP Apr 30 2017, 07:47 AM

GdS | Milan's latest pressing on Gigio for the renewal did not bode well with Raiola. There is tension between the parties. Signing his brother Antonio Donnarumma is not a priority for Gigio's renewal. Raiola wants technical guarantees before Gigio renewal.

GdS | Kessie wants to join Milan and will meet with Atalanta next week. Montella has given his 'OK' for the deal. Atalanta have a €28M agreement with Roma and won't give any discounts. Milan are confident, but Roma won't give up and can offer UCL.

Sky: About Biglia, there was a contact between Mirabelli and the agent of the player, who has not renewed with Lazio. In case he doesn't renew, Milan could step in.

Sky: In regards to Pellegrini, Roma intend to use the option to bring him back for €10m. Pellegrini has not decided his next destination yet, and will evaluate the offers with his agent. Milan and Juventus are interested.

Sky: Milan are expecting possible news about a possible unsuccessful deal between Kessie's agent and Roma for the salary. Milan are ready to satisfy the player's demands with €1.8 or €2m per season, at the moment player is not satisfied with Roma's offer (€1.2m). Atalanta want to keep the agreement reached with Roma for €30m, but it is possible that Milan will meet Atalanta next week. The player also first wants to understand what opportunities can be opened in Premier League


Posted by: han2503 Apr 30 2017, 12:01 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 29 2017, 05:21 PM) *
http://lineupbuilder.com/?sk=t9r8

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Very interesting and could actually be very close to what we end up with imo

Cesc would be a dream, an instant upgrade to our midfield which would take it to the next level. Kessi is definitely an interesting name, I just don't know much about him aside from his goal scoring. Is he a defensive mid or box-to-box? I haven't really been watching much Serie A matches this season aside from Milan games

De Vrij would be an amazing signing for sure

I don't think we'll keep Deulo though, but I can see us going after Keita this summer, Mirabelli really likes him from what I've read

Auba is probably the more far-fetched name in that team sheet though, can't see us signing him, and I don't think he's worth the money Dortmund would want for him, would rather Belotti over him

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Apr 30 2017, 12:38 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 30 2017, 06:31 PM) *
Very interesting and could actually be very close to what we end up with imo

Cesc would be a dream, an instant upgrade to our midfield which would take it to the next level. Kessi is definitely an interesting name, I just don't know much about him aside from his goal scoring. Is he a defensive mid or box-to-box? I haven't really been watching much Serie A matches this season aside from Milan games

De Vrij would be an amazing signing for sure

I don't think we'll keep Deulo though, but I can see us going after Keita this summer, Mirabelli really likes him from what I've read

Auba is probably the more far-fetched name in that team sheet though, can't see us signing him, and I don't think he's worth the money Dortmund would want for him, would rather Belotti over him


They will skin our balls for Belotti man. Too expensive.

I love all the names and I think it's a great A-squad to build.

Cesc, Kessie and De Vrij. This probably means we keep Bacca, and with Keita coming in as well, it should be fine. Still not a 100% convinced about our CB situation. No Romagnoli, no party seems to be too common an occurrence with our team nowadays.

Posted by: X-Offender Apr 30 2017, 12:56 PM

Yeah, Cairo wants 90 million, which is insane for a poacher who's had one good season.

Kessie is a DM, would be perfect to cover that hole we have in front of the defense.

Posted by: Danny Apr 30 2017, 09:16 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Apr 30 2017, 12:56 PM) *
Yeah, Cairo wants 90 million, which is insane for a poacher who's had one good season.

Kessie is a DM, would be perfect to cover that hole we have in front of the defense.


Or "The Milan midfield" as it's known these days.

Posted by: han2503 May 1 2017, 02:09 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Apr 30 2017, 09:16 PM) *
Or "The Milan midfield" as it's known these days.

True

That midfield needs an entire overhaul. The only ones I'd keep would be Bona and Loca, the rest need to go and should be replaced by great/top players

Posted by: Danny May 2 2017, 02:11 PM

MDS going to Juve, Real or Liverpool.

We want Sassuolo's Pellegrini.

Bacca out to fund Dzeko.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP May 2 2017, 03:02 PM

Lapadula could leave at the end of the season. A swap with Genoa's Simeone is being considered. #Sky

Alfredo Pedulla: Kessie has been convinced by Milan and Mirabelli should meet with Atalanta this week to make an offer of close to €30M.

GdS: Manchester City wants Aubameyang too. If Milan wants him, they have to hurry up.


Posted by: Danny May 2 2017, 10:35 PM

30M would be a serious start in this transfer window.

And Simeone's son isn't a bad player tbh.

Posted by: han2503 May 3 2017, 08:37 PM

Looks like we've agreed personal terms with Kessie, I also ready that Fassone was in meetings with Atalanta today to make a formal offer (matching the one they had already agreed upon with Roma)

Musacchio also seems to be wrapped up according to Di Marzio. Mirabelli was in Spain yesterday to watch the semi and he held talks with Villareal while there. He was mainly watching Kovacic and Moratta during the CL game

I personally like all the names being mentioned, Kovacic, Cesc and Kessie could really be a strong midfield trio if we can pull it off

Musacchio is also part of the best defence in La Liga, so one would think that he's having a really good season. So getting him for just 18m in today's market would be a complete bargain. Hopefully this doesn't completely rule out De Vrij either (Di Marzio said that it did) I think we need all 3, we simply cannot rely on Paletta and Zapata if either of Musacchio or Romagnoli are unavailable

Also, if we're talking to Atalanta, Mirabelli should really put in a cheeky offer for Conti, especially if DS is on his way out

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 4 2017, 07:40 AM

What's the latest on Donna? I gotta say, having Mino Raiola as an agent is a big fat downside that will eventually blow in our face one way or the other.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 4 2017, 09:27 AM

I think it will get done. Renewing Gigio is a top priority for Milan, I think we're wrapping up the other transfers - and it would make a far more compelling argument for Gigio.

Posted by: han2503 May 6 2017, 10:04 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 4 2017, 07:40 AM) *
What's the latest on Donna? I gotta say, having Mino Raiola as an agent is a big fat downside that will eventually blow in our face one way or the other.

People paint Mino out to be the bad guy, and sure, he's probably the money grabbing a**hole people say he is, but at the end of the day Donna has the power here, not him. If Donna wants to stay Mino will get the best deal he can from Milan for him, if Donna wants to leave, Mino will see to it that he takes him to the best club that he can

So we can blame Raiola all we want, but at the end of the day if Donna ends up not renewing it was all down to him and no one else

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 6 2017, 07:38 PM

Donna's decision alright, wouldn't blame him though if he chooses CL football and the chance to play for Madrid or the likes. Its a no brainer really.


If we get him EL next season and Chelsea comes with Conti knocking or Juve give him Buffon's place. Do you honestly think Donna should be seen as the bad guy? Sheva broke my heart, and Donna is not Sheva.

And this is not Berlosconi's Milan. We have yet to see what this management can do to secure players like Donna.

Posted by: han2503 May 6 2017, 10:09 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 6 2017, 07:38 PM) *
Donna's decision alright, wouldn't blame him though if he chooses CL football and the chance to play for Madrid or the likes. Its a no brainer really.


If we get him EL next season and Chelsea comes with Conti knocking or Juve give him Buffon's place. Do you honestly think Donna should be seen as the bad guy? Sheva broke my heart, and Donna is not Sheva.

And this is not Berlosconi's Milan. We have yet to see what this management can do to secure players like Donna.

I personally think he's too young right now to even be thinking about leaving, let alone to go to Madrid. He's a keeper, he's still got 20 years left in him if he can manage to have a long career. Leaving prematurely when he hasn't really done anything would be a mistake for him career wise, and I hope (and think) that there is someone who has his best interests at heart who will tell him this, I think his family will be the voice of reason against any temptation.

And if at 25 he has reached the potential that he's promising now and he still hasn't achieved anything with Milan then I wouldn't begrudge him trying to find success elsewhere, but for now, I firmly believe that a move would stunt his growth (at least for the time being). If Donna is wise, he should be looking to secure his place at Milan, no matter the contract being offered

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 7 2017, 06:16 PM

Han that is your sentiments playing hard to get tongue.gif

Posted by: han2503 May 9 2017, 01:08 PM

We'll see R7 but I have a good feeling about the Donna renewal

On a side note, I read that Mirabelli said (can't remember where atm) that all the loanees will go back to their clubs after this season (I don't know if this is an actual quote or the media just jumping to their usual conclusions. But if true, this would be great imo. None of the loaned players are all that good let's face it, the only guy I'd consider would be Deu, but recent performances have made me re-think this, add to that, his situation is complicated and we shouldn't spend want Barca would want for him if they're trying to make some quick cash


Also some rumours (thanks to @theMilanBible, @MilanFans on twitter)

Milan have agreed personal terms with Ricardo Rodriguez. Further contacts between Milan and Wolfsburg will take place in the coming days to sign Rodriguez (he has a €22.5m release clause) according to Di Marzio

Fassone and Mirabelli were also seen with Keita Balde's agent - MilanNews

Contract renewal talks were held with Suso's agent/father yesterday, they were positive another meeting should be scheduled next week where the new management are expecting an agreement to be reached - MilanNews

Positive meeting today for the renewal of Suso. Milan will have a new meeting next week to try and close the deal. [Gazzetta]

Bacca will leave in the summer. He is not happy on the bench. He is liked by Premier League clubs, with Arsenal interested. [@NicoSchira]

Milan have confirmed they want to participate in the China tour in the summer from July 14 to July 24. Should Milan get 6th place (thus playing a qualifying round) they will only play two games instead of the scheduled three games. [Gazzetta]


Honestly, everything atm seems very positive.

If all the loanees will be sent back and Bacca/Kucka/Paletta/Vangioni/De Sciglio/Zapata are all sold we'll need to sign a decent amount of new players, all the names are very positive atm. Ricardo Rodriguez would be amazing, Musacchio is pomising and a bargain at the price being quoted. Kessie could also be a done deal and I'm interested to see if we could get Keita as well

Posted by: Danny May 9 2017, 02:33 PM

Didn't the Kessie thing fall through with Man Utd and Chelsea now wanting him?

Posted by: han2503 May 9 2017, 07:03 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ May 9 2017, 02:33 PM) *
Didn't the Kessie thing fall through with Man Utd and Chelsea now wanting him?

Nah, most outlets are pretty confident that he's a done deal for us. Same thing with Musacchio. They're also now becoming pretty adamant on Ricardo Rodrigues as well, saying that we've agreed terms with him and will meet Wolfsburg later this week

Anyway, I'm just happy that Fassone and Mirabelli are so active, and even if we don't get all of these players that they're meeting with, it's still good that they're networking with so many agents.

And it really is a breath of fresh air to see them conducting business in their offices rather than over dinner at Giannino's

Posted by: X-Offender May 9 2017, 09:11 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 9 2017, 07:03 PM) *
Nah, most outlets are pretty confident that he's a done deal for us. Same thing with Musacchio. They're also now becoming pretty adamant on Ricardo Rodrigues as well, saying that we've agreed terms with him and will meet Wolfsburg later this week

Anyway, I'm just happy that Fassone and Mirabelli are so active, and even if we don't get all of these players that they're meeting with, it's still good that they're networking with so many agents.

And it really is a breath of fresh air to see them conducting business in their offices rather than over dinner at Giannino's


Done deal? Haven't read anything about that. All I know is that both us and Roma are interested.

I'm guessing Rodriguez will be replacing De Sciglio. How good is he anyway?

Posted by: Danny May 10 2017, 02:15 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 9 2017, 09:11 PM) *
Done deal? Haven't read anything about that. All I know is that both us and Roma are interested.

I'm guessing Rodriguez will be replacing De Sciglio. How good is he anyway?


He's the kind of signing we need to make to get to where we want to be. He's a 24 year old Wolfsburg LB with nearly 50 caps for Switzerland and this is truly the sort of move to get the kind of quality we expect from our Milan.

It's absolutely a step in the right direction if we pull it off. First step of many but a very good one.

Posted by: han2503 May 10 2017, 08:53 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 9 2017, 09:11 PM) *
Done deal? Haven't read anything about that. All I know is that both us and Roma are interested.

I'm guessing Rodriguez will be replacing De Sciglio. How good is he anyway?

Sky/Di Marzio, Gazetta/Pedulla and Fabrizio Romano are all pretty certain that it is done, this is because we have the player's go ahead and have matched Roma's offer of 28m + bonuses

In fact, the last reporting on this has been that Roma met with Atalanta again after Mirabelli/Fassone met with them (they reportedly accepted out offer). Roma wanted Atalanta to honour their agreement since they accepted their offer first, however it all comes down to the player's wishes in the end. Kessie's agent wasn't even present at Roma's last meeting with Atalanta according to reports, while he was there when Milan were holding talks with Atalanta.

As for Rodriguez, I think he's a great LB, not that quick but defensively solid and has an amazing left foot (scores free-kicks and is a regular penalty taker for Wolfsburg, not to mention that he's a great crosser, something we haven't had since the days of Cafu/Serginho)

Posted by: Forza Milan! May 11 2017, 05:16 AM

Overall what I see is promising. However, I have a bad feeling about Donna. If he gets a crazy offer from a top club (high salary + CL) why would he not want to go for that? I understand the bit about needing more time to mature, but I am not sure I would turn down a real good offer on the hope that maybe I will get a better one a few years from now.

Don't think it really matters for us, but I believe Raiola is being investigated for the Pogba deal, so he may not be all that inclined to come up with other "creative" deals.

Posted by: Forza Milan! May 12 2017, 01:50 AM

http://www.calciomercato.com/news/da-eroe-di-doha-a-tecnico-sotto-esame-montella-tutto-e-cambiato--44077. Not surprising given recent results. What worries me is that the name mentioned as a likely replacement is Mancini. I really believe he is over-rated, so not too happy with this.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 12 2017, 09:20 AM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ May 12 2017, 08:20 AM) *
http://www.calciomercato.com/news/da-eroe-di-doha-a-tecnico-sotto-esame-montella-tutto-e-cambiato--44077. Not surprising given recent results. What worries me is that the name mentioned as a likely replacement is Mancini. I really believe he is over-rated, so not too happy with this.


They've both denied it. It's just that every time a new acquisition comes they want to spread rumours about everything getting shaken up. We're not Inter. We're at least stable.

Posted by: Danny May 12 2017, 10:56 AM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ May 12 2017, 01:50 AM) *
http://www.calciomercato.com/news/da-eroe-di-doha-a-tecnico-sotto-esame-montella-tutto-e-cambiato--44077. Not surprising given recent results. What worries me is that the name mentioned as a likely replacement is Mancini. I really believe he is over-rated, so not too happy with this.


It's on the cards. And Montella has known it for a long time. It's why he spoke up returning to Roma.

Posted by: han2503 May 12 2017, 04:50 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ May 11 2017, 05:16 AM) *
Overall what I see is promising. However, I have a bad feeling about Donna. If he gets a crazy offer from a top club (high salary + CL) why would he not want to go for that? I understand the bit about needing more time to mature, but I am not sure I would turn down a real good offer on the hope that maybe I will get a better one a few years from now.

Don't think it really matters for us, but I believe Raiola is being investigated for the Pogba deal, so he may not be all that inclined to come up with other "creative" deals.

I personally think he'll renew. We'll see but the new management want to keep him at all costs and I'm sure they'll offer him a great deal

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ May 12 2017, 01:50 AM) *
http://www.calciomercato.com/news/da-eroe-di-doha-a-tecnico-sotto-esame-montella-tutto-e-cambiato--44077. Not surprising given recent results. What worries me is that the name mentioned as a likely replacement is Mancini. I really believe he is over-rated, so not too happy with this.

Nah, Montella will stay, Mancini is the obvious link because of the Inter connection but I can't see it happening, and I pray that it won't

QUOTE (Danny @ May 12 2017, 10:56 AM) *
It's on the cards. And Montella has known it for a long time. It's why he spoke up returning to Roma.

I personally don't think that's the case at all. Montella will be our coach next season barring some major turn of events

Posted by: Danny May 13 2017, 11:44 AM

QUOTE
AC Milan have been tipped to make seven new signings this summer at a cost of around €160m as they look to transform the current team.

Vincenzo Montella and his side are currently in a real battle to qualify for the Europa League for next season, but the starting line-up is expected to look a lot different after this summer.

Follow Sumeet on Twitter @SP_Calcio for all the latest Milan talk and transfer news.

Following Yonghong Li’s takeover last month, the Rossoneri are set to bolster their squad significantly and according to Calciomercato it will involve a €160m spending spree to give the line-up a facelift.

€120m of that will come from the new ownership, while the sales of Carlos Bacca, Mattia De Sciglio and M’Baye Niang are set to add another €40m+ to the coffers.

Ricardo Rodriguez and Mateo Musacchio are said to be closing in on moves to the San Siro, with the former set to cost €18m plus bonuses with a transfer likely to be wrapped up next week.

Manchester United full-back Matteo Darmian will fill the right-back spot, while Luiz Gustavo and Franck Kessie are touted as being the top targets for the midfield with moves for Mateo Kovacic and Lorenzo Pellegrini being more complicated.

Moving further up the field, Keita Balde and Alvaro Morata are seen as the ideal reinforcements up front with the pair costing €20m and €60m respectively. Fiorentina forward Nikola Kalinic is seen as a cheaper alternative and so time will tell how ambitious Milan can be or if they will have to settle for their second-choices.

Meanwhile, Calciomercato also note that Manuel Locatelli could be sent out on loan next season in order to avoid a scenario where his development stagnates with Milan.

With new arrivals expected and the youngster suffering from a dip in form after his initial breakthrough, it may well be the most sensible decision rather than forcing him to sit on the bench, while reassuringly it’s added that there is no intention to sell him.

However, given what he can offer the team, especially compared to the current options at Montella’s disposal, it has been a real source of frustration not to see him play more and prove that he deserves a permanent spot in the starting line-up moving forward.

Possible Milan XI next season: Donnarumma; Darmian (or Abate), Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Kessie, Luiz Gustavo, Bonaventura; Suso, Morata and Keita.


It's not quite PSG but it's one hell of an upgrade. If any of it happens.

Posted by: X-Offender May 13 2017, 03:49 PM

Luiz Gustavo? Really? How about no.

We should aim for someone creative, Fabregas, Kovacic, whatever, not frigging Luiz Gustavo. sleep.gif

Posted by: han2503 May 13 2017, 07:48 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 13 2017, 03:49 PM) *
Luiz Gustavo? Really? How about no.

We should aim for someone creative, Fabregas, Kovacic, whatever, not frigging Luiz Gustavo. sleep.gif

I think Gustavo will be coming but I think he might be used in rotation with Kessie, from the reports we're seeing, I think someone creative and of certain recognition will come as the "big name signing" for the summer.

Cesc might be a dream right now, but we could be looking at other players the media is not yet aware of atm

Posted by: Danny May 14 2017, 02:59 PM

We look close to sealing Kessie but there are apparently doubts about keeping Suso. Thankfully - I'd ship him out ASAP.

Posted by: han2503 May 14 2017, 03:47 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ May 14 2017, 02:59 PM) *
We look close to sealing Kessie but there are apparently doubts about keeping Suso. Thankfully - I'd ship him out ASAP.

We'll see, I'd still keep Suso. We've seen how good he can be, even with very little support. Give him a proper team around him and we'd get even more productivity from him.

Anyway, last I read was that we were close to agreeing terms with his agent for his renewal, so I don't think there should be any problems


Posted by: X-Offender May 14 2017, 04:01 PM

Suso is a must keep.

Posted by: Danny May 14 2017, 07:06 PM

Not for me. We can do better.

Posted by: amancik May 14 2017, 07:30 PM

Guys, I have a question. Do you think having a central attacking midfielder or trequartista is still a thing nowadays or is it out-dated? While I love the old traditional Rui-Costa type of player, I'm not sure whether this is effective anymore. This relates to my opinion whether we should keep Deulofeu and/or Suso if we're switching to a different formation next season. Because if we do change formation which includes an AM or trequartista, then I don't mind if we don't buy Deulofeu or let Suso leave. I'd like to know your opinion.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 15 2017, 09:20 AM

QUOTE (amancik @ May 15 2017, 02:00 AM) *
Guys, I have a question. Do you think having a central attacking midfielder or trequartista is still a thing nowadays or is it out-dated? While I love the old traditional Rui-Costa type of player, I'm not sure whether this is effective anymore. This relates to my opinion whether we should keep Deulofeu and/or Suso if we're switching to a different formation next season. Because if we do change formation which includes an AM or trequartista, then I don't mind if we don't buy Deulofeu or let Suso leave. I'd like to know your opinion.


It depends. The classic No.10 through whom all plays pass has sort of died down now. Because there is a tactic in place to stop that from happening.

But we still see really good free players who sort of reside between the lines. They tend to go looking for space and generally roam around. Sometimes they start on the wing, or in that SS position, but generally end up being a focal point in the attack.

It's just that with modern football, being all about pressing and squeezing space, a classic No.10 is no longer as effective as he used to be.

Posted by: X-Offender May 17 2017, 07:28 PM

Mediaset also confirming that Kessie is a done deal. 28 million to Atalanta and 2,5 million to the player, including bonuses.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 18 2017, 09:16 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 18 2017, 01:58 AM) *
Mediaset also confirming that Kessie is a done deal. 28 million to Atalanta and 2,5 million to the player, including bonuses.


28 million includes bonuses I think.

And we're also closing a deal with Ricardo Rodriguez for 15 MM apparently. (12MM+bonuses). His wage would be around 3 MM a year though.

So I guess this means, De Sciglio is out for sure?


Posted by: Danny May 18 2017, 11:05 AM

Kessie and Rodriguez are absolutely the kind of direction I want.

Suso is said to be interesting Spanish sides. I say take the money and run. I'd happily be rid of him and Deulofeu.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 18 2017, 02:27 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ May 18 2017, 05:35 PM) *
Kessie and Rodriguez are absolutely the kind of direction I want.

Suso is said to be interesting Spanish sides. I say take the money and run. I'd happily be rid of him and Deulofeu.


It's not that I don't think we can do better than Suso. It's that I don't see how we could possibly find an adequate replacement without spending a ton of cash. If you consider that Suso cost us 1.3 MM euros, he's been an absolute bargain.

I'd wager with a more careful workload(we basically overplayed him,Rom and Jack till they collapsed) and some shrewd depth Suso will be great for us as part of a XI that breaks into CL spots.

That midfield still confuses me. I don't see the strategy there. What's Montella building towards. Kessie is just another Kucka type isn't it? Younger and possibly a higher ceiling.

Posted by: Danny May 18 2017, 02:39 PM

I don't want Suso replaced. I want the reliance on an ineffective winger on the right and a useless locomotive on the left gone.

He and Deulofeu have outlived their usefulness and if we get say 20M for Suso let's spend it on someone who will fit in better.

Have you ever seen Suso take a decent set piece (other than one or two admittedly good direct free kick goals).

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 18 2017, 04:21 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ May 18 2017, 09:09 PM) *
I don't want Suso replaced. I want the reliance on an ineffective winger on the right and a useless locomotive on the left gone.

He and Deulofeu have outlived their usefulness and if we get say 20M for Suso let's spend it on someone who will fit in better.

Have you ever seen Suso take a decent set piece (other than one or two admittedly good direct free kick goals).


I disagree because I've spent too long with this club, where we've dreamt we'd get rid of average in order to get better and it never happens. It hasn't happened since Sheva was replaced with Oliveira so forget it.

Suso will never draw 20 MM. He's going to get us 15 tops, esp since he's not on a long contract. He's not got the goals or the assists for that.

I don't think he's ineffective. I generally think tactically wingers do not run games by themselves. His drop in performances have coincided with a general ineffectiveness of Milan everywhere else. Basically we've gone downhill since Jack left.

Deu was an upgrade to Niang. But while Locatelli and Sosa made sure we never really missed Montolivo, Jack has been irreplaceable. Without him, teams could comfortably double/triple Suso right from midfield and unless we miraculously got to push Deu into space, there was no threat.

Posted by: Danny May 18 2017, 08:13 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 18 2017, 04:21 PM) *
I disagree because I've spent too long with this club, where we've dreamt we'd get rid of average in order to get better and it never happens. It hasn't happened since Sheva was replaced with Oliveira so forget it.

Suso will never draw 20 MM. He's going to get us 15 tops, esp since he's not on a long contract. He's not got the goals or the assists for that.

I don't think he's ineffective. I generally think tactically wingers do not run games by themselves. His drop in performances have coincided with a general ineffectiveness of Milan everywhere else. Basically we've gone downhill since Jack left.

Deu was an upgrade to Niang. But while Locatelli and Sosa made sure we never really missed Montolivo, Jack has been irreplaceable. Without him, teams could comfortably double/triple Suso right from midfield and unless we miraculously got to push Deu into space, there was no threat.


Say what? Suso's got over two years to go.

Posted by: X-Offender May 18 2017, 10:05 PM

One between Suso and Deulofeu has to stay, because we simply cannot replace them both with equally good or better players in one go. Personally, I'd keep them both and invest in a top midfield and a top striker. You'll see that Suso will thrive then.

@Jack: Kessie is a box-to-box who can also play in front of the defense. He'll be the muscle of the midfield. Jack being the second piece and hopefully Fabregas (or someone similar) the final piece.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 19 2017, 09:05 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 19 2017, 04:35 AM) *
One between Suso and Deulofeu has to stay, because we simply cannot replace them both with equally good or better players in one go. Personally, I'd keep them both and invest in a top midfield and a top striker. You'll see that Suso will thrive then.

@Jack: Kessie is a box-to-box who can also play in front of the defense. He'll be the muscle of the midfield. Jack being the second piece and hopefully Fabregas (or someone similar) the final piece.



How dare you sir! How about our Captain Montolivo? I suppose a 3-man backline is the rage, so something might happen there and we could accommodate more people in the centre and play some sort of 3-5-2 or a Spalleti like 3-6-1

But your point on Kessie - So he's just another Kucka right? A shuttler who has high energy. Of course a very simplistic approach would be a midfield like this :

--Kessie--Montolivo/Badelj--Cesc/Jack---

But this only works if the wingers are someone in the Mandzukic/Di Maria mould - tireless workers with creative talent. We don't have that with either Suso or Deu.

Posted by: amancik May 19 2017, 10:10 AM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2666140-scouting-ac-milans-next-potential-superstar-signing-franck-kessie

Younger and technically sounder Kucka. I think he will be our next De Jong or Van Bommel.

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 19 2017, 05:05 PM) *
How dare you sir! How about our Captain Montolivo? I suppose a 3-man backline is the rage, so something might happen there and we could accommodate more people in the centre and play some sort of 3-5-2 or a Spalleti like 3-6-1

But your point on Kessie - So he's just another Kucka right? A shuttler who has high energy. Of course a very simplistic approach would be a midfield like this :

--Kessie--Montolivo/Badelj--Cesc/Jack---

But this only works if the wingers are someone in the Mandzukic/Di Maria mould - tireless workers with creative talent. We don't have that with either Suso or Deu.


Posted by: han2503 May 19 2017, 10:11 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 18 2017, 09:16 AM) *
28 million includes bonuses I think.

And we're also closing a deal with Ricardo Rodriguez for 15 MM apparently. (12MM+bonuses). His wage would be around 3 MM a year though.

So I guess this means, De Sciglio is out for sure?

Corriere della Sera and a couple of other outlets are saying that the Kessie deal will be done through a 2 year loan for 5m and an obligation to buy for around 23m. And I also read that this was basically Atalanta's request because they'll be selling a lot of players this summer so they'll try to spread the profits over more time. While if it was our request it's still great for us as 5m barely dents our warchest while we get a potential star for our midfield. Great deal, same goes with Ricardo Rodriguez with most outlets agreeing that it's basically done at 15m + 3m bonuses which is a steal for a player of that quality

Honestly, I'm very impressed with how Fassone and Mirabelli have conducted business so far. I don't think we've ever seen this type of efficiency and planning go into the transfer market even during Galliani's best years

QUOTE (Danny @ May 18 2017, 11:05 AM) *
Kessie and Rodriguez are absolutely the kind of direction I want.

Suso is said to be interesting Spanish sides. I say take the money and run. I'd happily be rid of him and Deulofeu.

Disagree about Suso. We've seen how productive he can be when the rest of the team is functioning. Why would you want to sell him for something minimal like 20m and then create another problem to worry about

I personally don't agree with the notion that we should sell a lot of players in one summer. Sure there are the obvious cases, but players who have performed well this season shouldn't be on the go-list imo

We simply can't build a completely new squad in just one summer, it's also why I argued for keeping Lapa as the backup for next season

What we should do is make the core changes that this team is desperate for; namely 1 LB, 1 CB, 3 - 4 mids, 1 LW and a striker to replace Bacca. We also need to look into improving the bench which is dire today. Creating added problems by selling players who are good and usefull is unnecassary. Once we get into the CL next season, then we can look into replacing someoene like Suso with a flashier name.

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 18 2017, 02:27 PM) *
It's not that I don't think we can do better than Suso. It's that I don't see how we could possibly find an adequate replacement without spending a ton of cash. If you consider that Suso cost us 1.3 MM euros, he's been an absolute bargain.

I'd wager with a more careful workload(we basically overplayed him,Rom and Jack till they collapsed) and some shrewd depth Suso will be great for us as part of a XI that breaks into CL spots.

That midfield still confuses me. I don't see the strategy there. What's Montella building towards. Kessie is just another Kucka type isn't it? Younger and possibly a higher ceiling.

Agreed about Suso, especially the overworking of certain players part. We've been too reliant on some players and at some point it was obvious they were going to buckle

As for the strategy regarding the midfield, I think Kessie was a smart move, he's a beast physically, he's a good passer and can also chip in with goals. He's perfect to replace the hair brained Kucka who has been a total liability for us this season

It all depends on what formation Montella is planning to use. Imo we need a proper creator in that midfield. I think the Cesc dream could be too much of a longshot at this point, Badelj keeps getting mentioned but he's not someone I'm excited about, he's basically a much better version of Monto, still not a true game changer like Cesc. Still a Bona, Badelj, Kessie/Gustavo midfield is already a major improvement on what we have now


QUOTE (Danny @ May 18 2017, 02:39 PM) *
I don't want Suso replaced. I want the reliance on an ineffective winger on the right and a useless locomotive on the left gone.

He and Deulofeu have outlived their usefulness and if we get say 20M for Suso let's spend it on someone who will fit in better.

Have you ever seen Suso take a decent set piece (other than one or two admittedly good direct free kick goals).

I disagree about Suso being ineffective. He needs proper players around him who will benefit from his passes/crosses to be more effective, and this is what he'll get next season

I agree about Deulo though, he was great in his first few matches, but now he's turning out to be a one-trick pony who's got that Barca whingey attitude down pat. The constant looking for fouls instead of looking to actually play is annoying as f@ck, he's not a good dribbler in tight spaces and he's always hestitant when it's time to finish. I think we can do much better than him especially considering what Barca would want for him

There are persistent Keita rumours going around, I'd take him over Deulo any day of the week. Strong, fast, good dribbler, great shot, decent finisher (can improve in this area even if he's on fire atm) and I think he'd fit in well into Montella's system

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 18 2017, 10:05 PM) *
One between Suso and Deulofeu has to stay, because we simply cannot replace them both with equally good or better players in one go. Personally, I'd keep them both and invest in a top midfield and a top striker. You'll see that Suso will thrive then.

@Jack: Kessie is a box-to-box who can also play in front of the defense. He'll be the muscle of the midfield. Jack being the second piece and hopefully Fabregas (or someone similar) the final piece.

Suso definately, he's our player and we've invested time in him that we're finally starting to see the fruits of. Deulo isn't our player and we can easily wash our hands of him. He impressed me at first but now I think that he's too limited to be someone we can rely on to produce

Posted by: han2503 May 19 2017, 10:21 AM

The following is an interview from La Scala, who was/is one of the minor shareholders in the club. He was basically the one blasting Silvio and Galliani last year. it's translated off of milannews so it's a bit dicey to read, but you can easily understand what the gist of it is.

After reading this, I'm personally more convinced about Fassone. Sounds like he's the best man for the job.

QUOTE
Giuseppe La Scala, at the exit of Casa Milan after the shareholders' assembly, spoke to MilanNews.it's microphones of what emerged in conversations with Fassone.

On the sensations: "For the time being, the Chinese have shown that they have chosen quality managers. This management is represented by a man (Fassone) who has a vision, who expresses himself clearly and transparent and seems to believe strongly in what he says. The Chinese have brought a top-level ad. Something we have not seen for years. "

On the vision: "Fassone responded promptly and in the same time convincingly to everything. He's confident and his statements are based on logic everyone can follow. For the first time since years Fassone today potentially unified the Milan world in one coherent vision, he says things as they stand and does not fool anyone. "

On strengthening: "Milan and it's management knows perfectly well that to return to being competitive, we must strengthen the team, with elements of experience that have already experienced the taste of victory, and with young people to build in the long run. Fassone has talked about a scale of investments who has not been seen for years, there will be a heavy passive - however they won't come from mysterious and unexplainable commissions to prosecutors (agents) but from a significant strengthening campaign. "

On Donnarumma: "Fassone has made it clear that Milan will do everything to keep Donnarumma, and also clarified that he is unwilling to pursue absurdly high offers from other clubs, the company soon will make an offer to Donnarumma who gives credit to his importance in the team and to what the boy means for the brand, However it will be taken into account too that he is eighteen years old and that there is an ethics of wages who can't be ignored. "

On Montella: "He spoke of Montella as the coach of Milan also in the coming season. I'm sorry for those who had to complain about the coach, but a team cannot be built by changing coach every six months."

On satisfaction: "There is much satisfaction, more than we hoped for. Fassone showed great authenticity and clarity in expressing himself."


Some quotes from Fassone given to MilanTV

Fassone: "The investments that we will make in the football sector will be important because this team needs to be strengthened...

Fassone: Milan will spend BIG figures in the market, so in the first years, our balance sheet will be affected

Some stories going around twitter:

BREAKING: Ricardo Rodriguez to Milan is a done deal. Milan will pay Wolfsburg €15m+€3m bonuses, player will sign a four-year deal.

After Milan reached an agreement with his entourage, Ricardo Rodriguez had many teams after him, but he kept his word to Milan. [Sky]

Posted by: X-Offender May 22 2017, 11:53 AM

Musacchio is official. Did his medical this morning, announcement should come soon.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 22 2017, 12:03 PM

Good news. Now let's get to the midfield and attack.

Posted by: amancik May 22 2017, 12:10 PM

Agreed. Apparently we'll sign another two key players before July and the rest in August. So I think it's Kessie and Rodriguez.

Posted by: han2503 May 22 2017, 12:26 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 22 2017, 11:53 AM) *
Musacchio is official. Did his medical this morning, announcement should come soon.

Yep, great news

Also saw these 2 snippets on twitter over the weekend. Looks like Mirabelli and Fassone are working double time to make sure Montella has the team nearly complete for July

Milan could also use their trip to Germany to negotiate personal terms with Aubameyang, who is asking for double digits [@AlfredoPedulla]

Sky: Musacchio, Kessie and Ricardo Rodriguez completed his transfer to AC Milan and now he's trying to finish the transfer of Keita and Conti.


Conti and Keita are both names I'm also very excited about.

Auba is a worry for me, Dortmund want a lot for him, not to mention his father is apparently demanding high wages (12m / year is being mentioned atm)

Also Atalanta want around 20m for Conti which is a bit too much imo, plus he's a wing back and not a natural RB. That being said, the reason for wanting him could be that Montella is planning to use the 3-man back line system more next season

Keita is a must though, great player who would really improve our general attacking play

Posted by: han2503 May 22 2017, 01:15 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 22 2017, 12:03 PM) *
Good news. Now let's get to the midfield and attack.

I think the FB situation also needs to be addressed. Rodriduez is practically a done deal, we're also apparently in talks with Atalanta for Conti and we're also talking to vrsaljko, so the intentions to strangthen the FB areas are definately there

With the midfield we have Kessie in the bag, but we need a lot more than that imo. We'll see who we'll try to go for, the most persistent stories so far are Gustavo and Badelj, neither are names which excite me, and although they are definate upgrades over the guys we currently have, I still think that this is the are where we need to make THE star signing of the summer and not in attack.


QUOTE (amancik @ May 22 2017, 12:10 PM) *
Agreed. Apparently we'll sign another two key players before July and the rest in August. So I think it's Kessie and Rodriguez.

I think we'll sign more players before the end of July than just these 3, we'll obviously first have to see who'll be leaving, but I think we're going to close out a lot of deals before the team goes back to training. Maybe 1 or 2 big signings will be made a bit late in the summer, but Fassono has also confirmed that they'll make sure Montella has 75% of the team ready for when training starts back up, and personally I think we'll sign more than just 5 players (my thinking atm is 9 or 10)

Posted by: amancik May 22 2017, 03:01 PM

What do you guys think about Florian Thauvin? He scored 15 goals for Marseille in Ligue 1.

Posted by: X-Offender May 22 2017, 08:10 PM

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/lazio/milan-fassone-a-roma-per-keita-e-biglia_1154384-201702a.shtml says we're interested in signing Biglia, whereas Keita is closer to Juventus.

I really hope Biglia isn't our answer in midfield. He's not the creative player that we need. What we truly need is a Pjanic/Modric/Fabregas level of genius that can elevate our entire midfield output. Biglia is a slightly better Montolivo, nothing exciting.

Posted by: X-Offender May 22 2017, 08:14 PM

Honda has announced that he's leaving Milan.

Hopefully the #10 shirt sees a rightful owner after the embarrassments of Boateng and Honda.

Posted by: milanbuf88 May 22 2017, 08:46 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 22 2017, 04:14 PM) *
Honda has announced that he's leaving Milan.

Hopefully the #10 shirt sees a rightful owner after the embarrassments of Boateng and Honda.

Jack to get the #10 or someone new?

Posted by: han2503 May 22 2017, 09:31 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 22 2017, 08:10 PM) *
http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/lazio/milan-fassone-a-roma-per-keita-e-biglia_1154384-201702a.shtml says we're interested in signing Biglia, whereas Keita is closer to Juventus.

I really hope Biglia isn't our answer in midfield. He's not the creative player that we need. What we truly need is a Pjanic/Modric/Fabregas level of genius that can elevate our entire midfield output. Biglia is a slightly better Montolivo, nothing exciting.

Most outlets are saying that we're close to Keita. It seems sky and Pedulla will be the outlets to follow this summer, mediaset have been completely off base recently.

Anyway, the last thing I read on twitter was that Lazio Channel reported that Mirabelli and Fassone are in Rome and they're discussing both Keita and Biglia

QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ May 22 2017, 08:46 PM) *
Jack to get the #10 or someone new?

Nah, Jack is not a #10 imo. We need a proper maestro to adorn that shirt once again

Posted by: Danny May 22 2017, 10:18 PM

What happened to Kessie?

Posted by: X-Offender May 22 2017, 11:08 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ May 22 2017, 10:18 PM) *
What happened to Kessie?


Last I read we had reached an agreement with both Atalanta and the player. Nothing official yet.

Posted by: han2503 May 23 2017, 07:09 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 22 2017, 11:08 PM) *
Last I read we had reached an agreement with both Atalanta and the player. Nothing official yet.

They probably won't make it so until the season is over, same goes for Rodriguez

What do you guys think of Biglia? I can only imagine that they want to add him to the rotation to have a better bench, especially since a lot of players will be leaving

Kucka, Poli, Mati, Honda, Berto, Pasalic and maybe even Loca will go out on loan, so there will be a lot of places that need to be filled. And if an offer arrives for Sosa, he'll also be out

Posted by: X-Offender May 23 2017, 10:58 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 23 2017, 07:09 AM) *
They probably won't make it so until the season is over, same goes for Rodriguez

What do you guys think of Biglia? I can only imagine that they want to add him to the rotation to have a better bench, especially since a lot of players will be leaving

Kucka, Poli, Mati, Honda, Berto, Pasalic and maybe even Loca will go out on loan, so there will be a lot of places that need to be filled. And if an offer arrives for Sosa, he'll also be out


I don't think we're in a position to sign someone like Biglia just for the bench. If he comes, he'll be a starter. That's why I don't want him.

Kessie can perfectly play in front of the defense.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 23 2017, 11:52 AM

QUOTE (amancik @ May 22 2017, 05:01 PM) *
What do you guys think about Florian Thauvin? He scored 15 goals for Marseille in Ligue 1.

I think there were some problems with him at Newcastle. But perhaps I'm wrong. Thauvin is one of those players that could potentially turn out good or bad. Very risky.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 23 2017, 01:33 PM

So is there really a 100M offer from City for Donna?

Posted by: han2503 May 24 2017, 08:19 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 23 2017, 10:58 AM) *
I don't think we're in a position to sign someone like Biglia just for the bench. If he comes, he'll be a starter. That's why I don't want him.

Kessie can perfectly play in front of the defense.

Well we have Bona, Kessie and we're reportedly going after a big name (Cesc, and now there are rumbles about Radja as well. I think I saw about 5 different tweets about it yesterday, and they were from sky, etc)

I'm not saying we're definitely going to get a big name this summer, we might simply not be able to attract someone of a certain calibre, even if we have the money because of no CL football.

But my thinking is that they also want to improve the bench, especially when the majority of our mids will most likely be leaving this summer. Biglia is a very good player imo, but not someone we should be looking to build around. But he'd still be a great add to the squad if we can get him and a top name for the midfield

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 23 2017, 01:33 PM) *
So is there really a 100M offer from City for Donna?

Haven't seen anything concrete on that tbh. Anyway, Fassone has made it clear that Donna is a priority, I personally think he'll renew this summer

Plus, I don't think Guardiola would actually want Donna, he's not exactly good with his feet

Posted by: X-Offender May 24 2017, 09:32 PM

Yeah. Isn't that why he sold Hart in the first place?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 25 2017, 12:07 AM

I think it's very premature to say Donna isn't good with his feet. I remember a bunch of German friends saying the same for Neuer at Schalke (and praising Adler who was supposed to be better in this department). Now look what he learned!

Posted by: Forza Milan! May 25 2017, 02:59 AM

Welcome back, Gattuso !!!

Posted by: han2503 May 25 2017, 09:36 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 25 2017, 12:07 AM) *
I think it's very premature to say Donna isn't good with his feet. I remember a bunch of German friends saying the same for Neuer at Schalke (and praising Adler who was supposed to be better in this department). Now look what he learned!

True, but Guardiola wants an instant solution, not someone who will be what he wants in 2 or 3 year's time (he will most likely not even be at City by then)



Anyway, look at sky's projected line-up for next season

Milan's probable 17/18 XI:

Donnarumma; Conti, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Kessie, Biglia, Nainggolan; Suso, Morata, Bonaventura. [Sky]

Either someone over there is sipping some serious Koolaid or there really are contacts right now (even if they are tentative)

Looks like Biglia is also almost done according to some sources

I'm really on the fence about this one. On one hand I think he's a very good player and is a definate improvement to what we currently have on the roster, and he'll definitely strengthen the squad. But if he's going to be a starter that could mean that we're not going after a true creator in midfield (I'm personally still dreaming of Cesc for this position but it could be impossible to get him)

Posted by: han2503 May 25 2017, 09:56 AM

Kessie to Milan is all but done. The player will undergo his medical with Milan between Tuesday and Wednesday. [Mediaset]

Posted by: Danny May 25 2017, 03:46 PM

We are NOT signing Radja.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 25 2017, 04:18 PM

I'd hope not. There are some typical Roma players who I can't stand. Just like there are some typical Inter players who I can't stand. Radja is one of them.

Posted by: Forza Milan! May 25 2017, 10:24 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 25 2017, 05:18 PM) *
I'd hope not. There are some typical Roma players who I can't stand. Just like there are some typical Inter players who I can't stand. Radja is one of them.

Muntari fell in that category from my perspective (particularly given how Mou used him), and ... look where he ended up for a wile ...

Posted by: Forza Milan! May 25 2017, 10:26 PM

Love the fact that we keep building up our scouting team. Gone are the days of relying on Raiola and Preziosi.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 26 2017, 09:40 AM

Yes I heard. We landed some bloke from Juventus who's really good. Anyone else think, we're doing this better than Inter in the sense our new owners seem to have rolled off and completely let Fassone and Mirabelli run things. No owners sticking their head in and deciding how to run things.

EDIT: http://www.football-italia.net/103152/milan-appoint-juventus-scout

Also, Everton are in with 18 MM Euros for Niang. I'd take it. That's good money. Also rumours we are in negotiation to sell Kucka, Paletta, Zapata and possibly Sosa to Turkish clubs (Antalyaspor is the name widely reported). That reminds me I need to get some spring cleaning done too. wink.gif

Posted by: Danny May 26 2017, 11:35 AM

Word is Morata has agreed a 60M deal. Looks like he's a goer. Exceptional signing.

Posted by: Danny May 26 2017, 11:36 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 26 2017, 09:40 AM) *
Yes I heard. We landed some bloke from Juventus who's really good. Anyone else think, we're doing this better than Inter in the sense our new owners seem to have rolled off and completely let Fassone and Mirabelli run things. No owners sticking their head in and deciding how to run things.

EDIT: http://www.football-italia.net/103152/milan-appoint-juventus-scout

Also, Everton are in with 18 MM Euros for Niang. I'd take it. That's good money. Also rumours we are in negotiation to sell Kucka, Paletta, Zapata and possibly Sosa to Turkish clubs (Antalyaspor is the name widely reported). That reminds me I need to get some spring cleaning done too. wink.gif


Niang wants to come back to us. I say f*ck him.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE May 26 2017, 04:01 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ May 26 2017, 07:36 AM) *
Niang wants to come back to us. I say f*ck him.

+1

Posted by: X-Offender May 26 2017, 11:39 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ May 26 2017, 11:35 AM) *
Word is Morata has agreed a 60M deal. Looks like he's a goer. Exceptional signing.


That's a monster move. Is he worth that much? I say with 60 million we can sign someone better.

Posted by: Danny May 27 2017, 01:41 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 26 2017, 11:39 PM) *
That's a monster move. Is he worth that much? I say with 60 million we can sign someone better.


I think we've had this argument before. The guy has always had to make do with the bench while guys like Benzema, Ronaldo, Tevez and Dybala got selected ahead of him. But when selected (bench or starting) his record is excellent.

This season la liga: 30 appearances, 15 goals, 4 assists.

UCL: 8, 3

Previous: 34 for Juve, 7 goals 7 assists

Bear in mind he's not an out and out striker but a forward. From the fringes of the first team the above record is pretty exceptional. I don't think with 60M you can do much better these days. Bayern offered the same to Arsenal for Sanchez:

This season EPL: 38, 24, 10

UCL: 8, 3, 3

last: EPL: 30, 13, 4

UCL, 7, 3 5

previous EPL, 35, 16, 8

And he's been Arsenal's absolute first choice in all that time and IS a striker. Give Morata the right environment and make him a first choice and I reckon he's a belting signing.

Posted by: amancik May 27 2017, 06:27 AM

But given the choice, would you guys choose Morata over Aubameyang?

Posted by: han2503 May 27 2017, 10:04 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ May 25 2017, 03:46 PM) *
We are NOT signing Radja.

Probably not, but we did apparently speak to his agent to get a feeler on him. Even if we're not signing him, this is an indication of what our spending power could potentially be this summer

Also, apparently the Chinese government is about to lift the red tape on foreign investment which could open up the proverbial financial floodgates for us as the initial investors that had to back out will come back into the fold

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 25 2017, 04:18 PM) *
I'd hope not. There are some typical Roma players who I can't stand. Just like there are some typical Inter players who I can't stand. Radja is one of them.

Radjo would be a dream signing for me, he's a players that can do it all and is excellent at both phases of the game

QUOTE (Danny @ May 26 2017, 11:35 AM) *
Word is Morata has agreed a 60M deal. Looks like he's a goer. Exceptional signing.

It's only Gazzetta that are reporting it and we still have to deal with Real, who aren't exactly in need of money. Last I read we are still talking to the German intermediary about Auba, I think they're keeping their options open because they're not sure which one will be more doable and when the opportunity comes up they'll jump at it

QUOTE (Danny @ May 26 2017, 11:36 AM) *
Niang wants to come back to us. I say f*ck him.

We cannot get rid of this leach! Everton are supposedly interested, we need to make sure to offload him at first opportunity and make it clear to him that he's not part of the plans

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 26 2017, 11:39 PM) *
That's a monster move. Is he worth that much? I say with 60 million we can sign someone better.

Who? All the top striker are going for huge amounts. Mbappe is easily worth over a 10mm and he's only had one good season, things are just insane atm. 60m is a relatively good price imo, plus there's the added bonus of upsetting the Juve fans who are not happy about the Morata news

Posted by: han2503 May 27 2017, 10:06 AM

QUOTE (amancik @ May 27 2017, 06:27 AM) *
But given the choice, would you guys choose Morata over Aubameyang?

Auba is older and his main attribute aside from finishing is his pace, the prices being quated are higher for him and he's demanding over 12m in wages. I just don't think he's a smart move at this point. Morata makes more sense, plus he's a more complete forward than Auba imo

Posted by: Danny May 27 2017, 11:28 AM

Monaco actually rejected £110M for Mbappe from Real.

Posted by: X-Offender May 27 2017, 11:37 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ May 27 2017, 11:28 AM) *
Monaco actually rejected £110M for Mbappe from Real.


No way. For that amount Monaco would sell half their team.

Posted by: X-Offender May 27 2017, 12:36 PM

Being linked to Tolisso and Moussa Dembele. How good is the latter, Danny?

Posted by: Danny May 27 2017, 02:14 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 27 2017, 11:37 AM) *
No way. For that amount Monaco would sell half their team.


Nope. They don't need to sell anyone. They're in a financially enviable position. They'd only sell if a player truly wants to leave, which was the case with Silva. Unless they get an offer they can't refuse for Mbappe, they'll reject. Unless he says he wants to go.

Posted by: Danny May 27 2017, 02:22 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 27 2017, 12:36 PM) *
Being linked to Tolisso and Moussa Dembele. How good is the latter, Danny?


Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeird. He really on the horizon? This would be the first time Milan had signed a Celtic player in...ever?

He's their best player. He's been exceptional in the league but then the Scottish league can make average look good, and good look great. Hard to judge him in light of it being SPL but if you take that away from the equation he's the complete forward and will only get better. But then he might be terrible in a better league, albeit he did do it just as much in the UCL as he did in the SPL.

From what I've seen he's strong, quick, got a velcro first touch, clinical, and he's only 20.

I'm conflicted. I don't want a Celtic player. But I do want good players.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 28 2017, 03:11 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 27 2017, 01:39 AM) *
That's a monster move. Is he worth that much? I say with 60 million we can sign someone better.

Who?

Posted by: X-Offender May 28 2017, 06:52 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 28 2017, 03:11 PM) *
Who?


Aguero.

Morata is too lightweight, he cannot be a +20 goals forward. Even in a club like Madrid he's only scored 20 goals this season in 42 appearances. His previous record at Juve is abysmal.

No, we should aim for someone who's a surefire thing, not a 60 million gamble.

Posted by: Danny May 29 2017, 11:24 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 28 2017, 06:52 PM) *
Aguero.

Morata is too lightweight, he cannot be a +20 goals forward. Even in a club like Madrid he's only scored 20 goals this season in 42 appearances. His previous record at Juve is abysmal.

No, we should aim for someone who's a surefire thing, not a 60 million gamble.


Aguero would cost at least £80M. That's 90-100M euros.

PS: I see you completely ignored his career stats which show Morata is excellent. And how you can call 20 in 42 'only' is just bias against the player.

Don't know what your problem with him is

Posted by: Fillipo Simone May 29 2017, 11:30 AM

20 goals with Real as a sub/bench player isn't bad at all IMO. For Juventus he scored 27 goals in 63 matches in Serie A, and 7 goals in 15 CL matches. That's not abysmal at all.

But yes, Agüero and Aubameyang would be great (even though I despise Agüero and I don't think he's Milan-worthy, more of a typical Inter player). I'm not sure if Sergio would want to move to Milan though.

Posted by: X-Offender May 29 2017, 09:01 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ May 29 2017, 11:24 AM) *
Aguero would cost at least £80M. That's 90-100M euros.

PS: I see you completely ignored his career stats which show Morata is excellent. And how you can call 20 in 42 'only' is just bias against the player.

Don't know what your problem with him is


Last I read, City were willing to sell him for £50M.

And I have no problem with Morata. I just don't rate him that much. Scoring 20 goals in 42 appearances with a team like Madrid isn't that much of an impressive feat IMHO.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 29 2017, 11:30 AM) *
20 goals with Real as a sub/bench player isn't bad at all IMO. For Juventus he scored 27 goals in 63 matches in Serie A, and 7 goals in 15 CL matches. That's not abysmal at all.


Come again? He scored 15 goals in 63 appearances, not 27. That's absolutely terrible.

Posted by: X-Offender May 29 2017, 09:07 PM

Tomorrow Kessie will undergo his medical. He'll be the second official signing after Musacchio. Ricardo Rodriguez should be next.

http://www.calciomercato.com/news/milan-domani-le-visite-mediche-di-kessie-79180

Bertolacci is not part of the club's plans for next season and will be put on the mercato. His value currently is somewhere around €10 million, thus in order to avoid a loss (we paid €21 million for him) the player might be sent on loan for the time being.

http://www.calciomercato.com/news/milan-contatto-mirabelli-lucci-sul-tavolo-il-futuro-di-montella--64673

Posted by: han2503 May 29 2017, 09:19 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 29 2017, 09:01 PM) *
Last I read, City were willing to sell him for £50M.

And I have no problem with Morata. I just don't rate him that much. Scoring 20 goals in 42 appearances with a team like Madrid isn't that much of an impressive feat IMHO.



Come again? He scored 15 goals in 63 appearances, not 27. That's absolutely terrible.

Morata's numbers this season are better than Benzema's if I'm not mistaken (saw a stat of goals per minute for each this season and Morata's is slightly better)

I personally think he's a great choice. He's at the perfect age for a striker, still yet to reach his peak but out of that inconsistent phase that most strikers tend to go through when they're younger. Aguero is someone I greatly admire but I don't think he's even being considered.

Plus I think having Morata on the team would be a good incentive if we try to go for Cesc this summer (no matter how much of a longshot that'll be)

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 29 2017, 09:07 PM) *
Tomorrow Kessie will undergo his medical. He'll be the second official signing after Musacchio. Ricardo Rodriguez should be next.

http://www.calciomercato.com/news/milan-domani-le-visite-mediche-di-kessie-79180

Bertolacci is not part of the club's plans for next season and will be put on the mercato. His value currently is somewhere around €10 million, thus in order to avoid a loss (we paid €21 million for him) the player might be sent on loan for the time being.

http://www.calciomercato.com/news/milan-contatto-mirabelli-lucci-sul-tavolo-il-futuro-di-montella--64673

Great news about Kessie and Rodriguez, I'm honestly very impressed with how quick F & M are accomplishing things. I think they'll make these types of signings now and leave 1 or 2 really big signings for later in the season

Last I read as well is that Poli is close to going to Bologna, Sosa could be sold to a Turkish team (honestly can't spell their name), Kucka is also rumoured to be going to the same destination as Sosa.

We're also going to try and renew Pasalic's loan (I don't think we'll buy him if Chelsea reject the loan option)

Niang (that f@cker) wants to come back, but there's apparently interest from Everton (offering about 15m according to rumours, so we'll see). I don't think he'll be here next season either way. He'll either be sold to and EPL side or be used as part of some deal with a Serie A side

The management have no intention of keeping Deulo either, Ocampos is going back to wherever he came from, Honda confirmed he's leaving, Montella pretty much said that Bacca is a goner as well (something along the lines of he was proud to have coached someone like him), DS is gone as well.

These are basically the persistent rumours we keep seeing on who will be leaving, I think some others will leave too (Zapata, Vangioni, Calabria (loan), and Lapadula could also be sold/let go) so there will have to be a massive rebuild this summer, and not just the starting 11, especially keeping in mind that we'll have a difficult fixture list next season due to EL action

Posted by: han2503 May 29 2017, 09:34 PM

@TheMilanBible - Kessie's move to Milan is expected to be a 2-year loan + obligations to buy. [Sky]

@MilanEye - Likely transfer formula which will see Kessie join Milan is two-year loan with obligation to buy. Transfer fee €28m including bonuses [Sky].

@MilanEye - Musacchio's transfer to Milan will most likely become official tomorrow.

@TheMilanBible - Bologna are interested in signing Paletta (along with Poli) and Milan would not be against his sale. [@MilanNewsit]

@TheMilanBible - Montella is heading towards a contract renewal until 2019. Today there was an important meeting with Fassone. [Gazzetta]

@TheMilanBible - Along with Honda, Deulofeu, Mati Fernandez and Pasalic are almost certain to leave. Milan are hoping for a good offer for Bacca. [Gazzetta]

The Kessie move is brilliant imo. The 28m we'll be paying won't come into effect for another 2 years, so his slightly hefty price tag won't effect our budget at all for this summer. So basically if we're just looking at Musacchio and Rodriguez, we've only spent between 36 to 40m so far out of what's reported to be a 150m to 200m budget + whatever we get from player sales (and we could be paying for both players in instalments which would effect our budget even less so)

Posted by: Danny May 29 2017, 10:42 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 29 2017, 09:01 PM) *
Last I read, City were willing to sell him for £50M.


Might want to check that.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/07/chelsea-would-need-to-pay-in-excess-of-80m-for-sergio-aguero-6433968/

And that was months ago before money got even sillier. He's probably 100M now.

QUOTE
And I have no problem with Morata. I just don't rate him that much. Scoring 20 goals in 42 appearances with a team like Madrid isn't that much of an impressive feat IMHO.


Appearances. Not starts. Most of those were off the bench. You don't think one in two is good for a fringe player regardless of the team?

Posted by: Danny May 29 2017, 10:45 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 29 2017, 09:19 PM) *
Morata's numbers this season are better than Benzema's if I'm not mistaken (saw a stat of goals per minute for each this season and Morata's is slightly better)

I personally think he's a great choice. He's at the perfect age for a striker, still yet to reach his peak but out of that inconsistent phase that most strikers tend to go through when they're younger. Aguero is someone I greatly admire but I don't think he's even being considered.


I think Aguero has seen better days. He's injured far too much and while he's top dollar, IMO he's not even the best striker in the EPL for my money. That for me is Costa. I think for where we are and where we're trying to go, Morata is a terrific signing.

QUOTE
Plus I think having Morata on the team would be a good incentive if we try to go for Cesc this summer (no matter how much of a longshot that'll be)


I've heard we're interested again. He's spoken up the idea of leaving and the price is said to be 30M.

QUOTE
Great news about Kessie and Rodriguez, I'm honestly very impressed with how quick F & M are accomplishing things. I think they'll make these types of signings now and leave 1 or 2 really big signings for later in the season

Last I read as well is that Poli is close to going to Bologna, Sosa could be sold to a Turkish team (honestly can't spell their name), Kucka is also rumoured to be going to the same destination as Sosa.

We're also going to try and renew Pasalic's loan (I don't think we'll buy him if Chelsea reject the loan option)

Niang (that f@cker) wants to come back, but there's apparently interest from Everton (offering about 15m according to rumours, so we'll see). I don't think he'll be here next season either way. He'll either be sold to and EPL side or be used as part of some deal with a Serie A side

The management have no intention of keeping Deulo either, Ocampos is going back to wherever he came from, Honda confirmed he's leaving, Montella pretty much said that Bacca is a goner as well (something along the lines of he was proud to have coached someone like him), DS is gone as well.

These are basically the persistent rumours we keep seeing on who will be leaving, I think some others will leave too (Zapata, Vangioni, Calabria (loan), and Lapadula could also be sold/let go) so there will have to be a massive rebuild this summer, and not just the starting 11, especially keeping in mind that we'll have a difficult fixture list next season due to EL action


Happy with pretty much all this. Just want shot of Suso too but I know I'm minority with that one.

Posted by: han2503 May 30 2017, 04:32 PM

De Sciglio to Juventus is almost a done deal for €12M. [Quotidiano Sportivo]

For 12m I'd let him rot on the stands. We shouldn't do Juve any favours and try to push him to a foreign club.

It is possible Storari signs his contract at Casa Milan tomorrow, according to Sky.

OFFICIAL: Vincenzo Montella has renewed his contract with Milan until 2019.

OFFICIAL: Mateo Musacchio has joined Milan until June 30, 2021.

Milan have offered Biglia €2.5M/year + €500K in bonuses should he reach 25 appearances. Milan waiting for the players response. [Sky]

#ACMilan announces the contract renewal with @VMontella through to 30 June 2019


Forget what I said in the match thread Forza Milan, looks like Sky are also confirming that Kessie had an issue with his medical and will have to undergo further tests at Milanello

Kessie will need additional examinations before signing for Milan, as a slight physical problem must be evaluated. [Sky]

Kessie will undergo further tests in the afternoon and then more tests at Milanello tomorrow. [MilanNews.it]

GdS are now reporting the offer for Donnarumma is €3.2M/year. Milan are in a hurry & an acceleration in the next few days can't be excluded.

Milan are strongly interested in signing Tolisso from Lyon. He will cost €35-40M. Juve have given up. Premier League clubs interested. [GdS]

Milan are expected to fly out to Spain and meet with Real Madrid next week. Milan to offer €60M + almost €8M in wages to Morata. [Gazzetta]

Posted by: X-Offender May 30 2017, 08:42 PM

FFS! I hope everything goes well with Kessie.

What kind of player is Tolisso? Creator? Box-to-box? I've never seen him play.

Posted by: Danny May 30 2017, 11:23 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ May 30 2017, 04:32 PM) *
De Sciglio to Juventus is almost a done deal for €12M. [Quotidiano Sportivo]

For 12m I'd let him rot on the stands. We shouldn't do Juve any favours and try to push him to a foreign club.


We're weakening them just by giving him to them.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 May 31 2017, 06:43 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ May 31 2017, 02:23 AM) *
We're weakening them just by giving him to them.


He is a good player, not Maldini nor Cafu, but a good player nonetheless.

Him leaving us wouldn't change much to be honest. The club is serious in recruiting new blood, I hope by the start of the season we have a competitive squad. Regardless if we loose DS and Donna, does not change much.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow May 31 2017, 08:08 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ May 31 2017, 03:12 AM) *
FFS! I hope everything goes well with Kessie.

What kind of player is Tolisso? Creator? Box-to-box? I've never seen him play.


I think he's some kind of winger. Left side maybe? With Ocampos and Deulofeu on their way - we need the extra hand.

Posted by: X-Offender May 31 2017, 09:06 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 31 2017, 08:08 PM) *
I think he's some kind of winger. Left side maybe? With Ocampos and Deulofeu on their way - we need the extra hand.


Winger? TM says he's a CM/DM.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/corentin-tolisso/profil/spieler/190393

Posted by: amancik May 31 2017, 09:15 PM

Tolisso is a central midfielder. A creator, he likes to play through-balls.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 1 2017, 02:12 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 1 2017, 03:36 AM) *
Winger? TM says he's a CM/DM.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/corentin-tolisso/profil/spieler/190393


Sorry my bad. I confused him with Thauvin. Sorry. Don't know this guy.

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 2 2017, 10:13 AM

Looks like Keita Baldé is a race between Inter and Juve at this point.

http://www.calciomercato.com/news/inter-contatto-con-keita-juve-avanti-ma-ecco-come-tutto-puo-camb-20566

If Deulofeu isn't staying and we're not signing Keita either, which means Bonaventura on the left wing, I would much rather prefer we switched to 4-2-3-1. Especially if we sign Biglia as well. In that case, I'd go for someone like Pastore who's been underutilized at PSG.

Kessie - Biglia
Suso - Pastore - Bona
Morata


Looks pretty good.

Posted by: Danny Jun 2 2017, 11:44 AM

Well Morata appears a done deal. Impressive to beat Chelsea and the likes to his signature.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 2 2017, 01:24 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 2 2017, 06:14 PM) *
Well Morata appears a done deal. Impressive to beat Chelsea and the likes to his signature.


I heard it won't happen till the CL is over. And Belotti is our back-up. Looks like the Fabregas rumours have completely died down.

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 2 2017, 04:58 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 2 2017, 11:44 AM) *
Well Morata appears a done deal. Impressive to beat Chelsea and the likes to his signature.


Done deal? Let's not jump the gun here.

Kessie is official, by the way.

Posted by: Danny Jun 2 2017, 08:05 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 2 2017, 04:58 PM) *
Done deal? Let's not jump the gun here.


He's agreed personal terms and they've accepted the submitted bid. It, as Jack says, will be announced after UCL final.

QUOTE
Kessie is official, by the way.


He is. I THINK I'm pleased with that one too, but I don't really know him. But the last midfielder we got from Atalanta was outstanding so here's hoping Kessie lives up to that. The fact he's a regular for Ivory Coast at only 20 and was a huge part of Atalanta's outstanding fifth place finishers last season suggests he has a massive future ahead of him.

Posted by: Danny Jun 2 2017, 08:06 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 2 2017, 01:24 PM) *
Looks like the Fabregas rumours have completely died down.


A shame, but we move on.

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 2 2017, 09:03 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 2 2017, 08:05 PM) *
He's agreed personal terms and they've accepted the submitted bid. It, as Jack says, will be announced after UCL final.


Can I ask you for the source?

Posted by: Danny Jun 2 2017, 10:05 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 2 2017, 09:03 PM) *
Can I ask you for the source?


It was Spanish press but literally in the past hour SSN UK (who are about 98% reliable) have said he hasn't decided after all, and is weighing his options.

Apparently his Italian missus wants to return to Italy and that's a big factor.

Posted by: Danny Jun 3 2017, 09:01 AM

Forgot to say, Montella renewed till 2019.

Posted by: Danny Jun 3 2017, 09:40 PM

PS Milan opened talks with Dembele. 27M figure being mentioned.

Posted by: amancik Jun 3 2017, 09:48 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 4 2017, 05:40 AM) *
PS Milan opened talks with Dembele. 27M figure being mentioned.


Ousmane Dembele from Borussia Dortmund?

Posted by: han2503 Jun 3 2017, 10:39 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 3 2017, 09:40 PM) *
PS Milan opened talks with Dembele. 27M figure being mentioned.

Too much for an SPL player (no offence Danny), anything above 20 for him would be ridiculous

QUOTE (amancik @ Jun 3 2017, 09:48 PM) *
Ousmane Dembele from Borussia Dortmund?

No way, the one from Celtic. The Dortmund Demebele will go for close to a 100m when he's sold

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Jun 4 2017, 09:25 AM

GdS | In Cardiff, Fassone and Mirabelli met super-agent Jorge Mendes, agent Ramadani and colleagues of Barcelona and Manchester United.

GdS | Milan does not want to sell De Sciglio to Juventus, but Allegri wants him at Juve. There could be important news soon.

GdS | Fassone and Mirabelli have also discussed Benfica fullback Nelson Semedo with Jorge Mendes.

Morata to Cadena Ser: "My wish is to stay here [at Real Madrid] but I cannot say for sure that this what is going to happen."

Florentino Perez: "James & Morata? We want everyone to stay, also because they have a contract, we'll have to speak."


Posted by: Danny Jun 4 2017, 10:36 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 3 2017, 10:39 PM) *
Too much for an SPL player (no offence Danny), anything above 20 for him would be ridiculous


None taken. You're too kind on the SPL. It's not even a backwater league. As for fee - Celtic don't need to sell, they're in Monaco's shoes. If Milan want him we'll need to pay what they want. Because Marseilla, Dortmund and Sevilla to name just three also want him.

Morata has confirmed today not only does he not want Milan, he doesn't want Italy period. So that's a bust. All the stories in the press were just that - stories, and lies at that. Don't know why I'm even surprised.

And I am still torn on Dembele. I know what he can do, but that was in the SPL. It can make many players look better than they are. There are next to no success stories of Old Firm players managing to assert themselves in top 5 English sides. Victor Wanyama at Spurs is the only example I can think of in the past 20 years.

As for Dembele, neither of the Milanese clubs have ever directly signed an Old Firm player. This would be a first. I remain very conflicted. Morata is gone, and no other striker appears linked.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Jun 4 2017, 11:47 AM

La Stampa: The only two clubs on the road to Belotti are Milan and Man United. The rossoneri offer 80m euros plus one from Lapadula, Bertolacci or Niang. But the same offer is also from the English team.

Keita Balde wants Juventus, but the pressure of Milan and Inter continues. [GdS]

Fabrizio Romano: Jorge Mendes proposed Andre Silva to Milan, but the rossoneri are focused on getting either Morata, Aubameyang or Belotti.

Il Messagero : Lucas Biglia to Milan is a done deal for €21M + €4M in bonuses.

Il Tempo | Biglia to Milan is a done deal for €18M + €4M in bonuses. Agreement with Biglia at €2.5M + 500K in bonuses. Announcement next week.

CorSera | Milan are offering Donnarumma €4.5M/year in wages, but have rejected all of Raiola's requests for clauses that don't benefit Milan. Milan have sent Donnarumma a clear message: He needs to choose (quickly) between the line of his agent and that of Milan.

Fabrizio Romano | Mirabelli and Fassone discussed Fabinho with Jorge Mendes, who assured them he is almost impossible to sign due to his €60M price tag.


Posted by: Danny Jun 4 2017, 11:56 AM

I don't want Belotti. I'm alone on that, but I think he's a small team striker. I think he'd struggle at the expectation of Milan.


Posted by: Forza Milan! Jun 4 2017, 02:43 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 4 2017, 12:56 PM) *
I don't want Belotti. I'm alone on that, but I think he's a small team striker. I think he'd struggle at the expectation of Milan.

Yup. Not sold on Bellotti either. No idea where else we go for a reasonably good striker that will not eat up most of our transfer budget.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 4 2017, 02:50 PM

I personally don't think the door to Morata is anywhere near closed. This is what he said

QUOTE
@MilanEye Morata: "I don't know if I'm going to stay at Real Madrid as it doesn't only depend on me, Milan? Let's see."

@MilanEye Morata to @PremiumSportHD: "Certainly I won't return to Italy, I'd like to stay at Real Madrid.Let's see what happens, I know nothing else."

@MilanEye Morata: "Milan want me? I don't know, I read the newspapers but I know nothing else. I like Italy but I am happy here."

@MilanEye Morata: "Real is my team and Madrid is my city. Juve is my second home, you never know."

@MilanEye Real Madrid president Florentino Perez: "Morata has a contract in place. There are clubs that want to sign him but we also want him."

@MilanEye Morata to Cadena Ser: "My wish is to stay here [at Real Madrid] but I cannot say for sure that this what is going to happen."


So basically it's just a lot of mixed messages.


Posted by: Danny Jun 4 2017, 03:16 PM

Think 'certainly I won't return to Italy' is pretty much door closed Han?

Posted by: han2503 Jun 4 2017, 03:44 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 4 2017, 03:16 PM) *
Think 'certainly I won't return to Italy' is pretty much door closed Han?

If you only look at that sure, but then he goes on to contradict that in the other statements. I personally think it's the usual talk from players, usually the exact opposite of what they repeat in the press ends up happening

Posted by: amancik Jun 4 2017, 04:47 PM

The whole situation with Donnarumma is getting ridiculous. I'm slowly getting increasingly mad with Raiola if what the papers say are true. The offer is more than good enough IMO.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Jun 4 2017, 06:38 PM

QUOTE (amancik @ Jun 4 2017, 05:47 PM) *
The whole situation with Donnarumma is getting ridiculous. I'm slowly getting increasingly mad with Raiola if what the papers say are true. The offer is more than good enough IMO.

Yup. I have been saying all along that Raiola would be a problem.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Jun 4 2017, 06:40 PM

Linked with http://www.calciomercato.com/news/modric-saluta-dopo-la-champions-me-ne-vado-il-milan-sogna-e-quei-21112. I think he could make an impact on the team.

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 4 2017, 07:31 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 4 2017, 06:40 PM) *
Linked with http://www.calciomercato.com/news/modric-saluta-dopo-la-champions-me-ne-vado-il-milan-sogna-e-quei-21112. I think he could make an impact on the team.


Joke of the year. laugh.gif

Posted by: Danny Jun 4 2017, 08:11 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 4 2017, 07:31 PM) *
Joke of the year. laugh.gif


Heard this one a couple of weeks ago. Why would one of the top 5 midfielders on earth give up Real for Milan!

Posted by: Danny Jun 4 2017, 08:12 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 4 2017, 03:44 PM) *
If you only look at that sure, but then he goes on to contradict that in the other statements.


Read them carefully. Nowhere does he contradict that.

QUOTE
I personally think it's the usual talk from players, usually the exact opposite of what they repeat in the press ends up happening


Meh, I'd love him to come but I've given up on it.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 4 2017, 08:34 PM

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 4 2017, 06:38 PM) *
Yup. I have been saying all along that Raiola would be a problem.

He wants to insert clauses to fatten his pockets but the management don't want to go there (rightly so). Apparently they're taking a tough stand on this one and don't want to give in to his demands and are going to put Donna on the spot for this one

They've already given him a more than generous offer.

Donna needs to man up at this stage, he needs to accept it and control his agent. If he doesn't sign on, it's still ultimately his choice. Raiola can't force him to stay or leave, so if Donna wants to leave it's all down to him

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 4 2017, 06:40 PM) *
Linked with http://www.calciomercato.com/news/modric-saluta-dopo-la-champions-me-ne-vado-il-milan-sogna-e-quei-21112. I think he could make an impact on the team.

He's apparently been following a lot of Milan stuff on Insta as well. Still think it's ridiculous, he's loved at Real, he's one of the best mids in the world, no way he'd move here

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 4 2017, 08:11 PM) *
Heard this one a couple of weeks ago. Why would one of the top 5 midfielders on earth give up Real for Milan!

Yep

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 4 2017, 08:12 PM) *
Read them carefully. Nowhere does he contradict that.



Meh, I'd love him to come but I've given up on it.

He contradicts because first he says he's not moving then he says that he doesn't know what will happen. Either you're sure or you're not

I still think Mirabelli will try to go for him.

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 4 2017, 09:40 PM

Modric is a Milan fan. Doesn't mean he'll ever consider signing for us at this stage of his career.

PS: Just checked for curiosity. Fucking hell, the guy is almost 32??? I thought he was around 26-27. laugh.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 4 2017, 10:51 PM

CM saying the upcoming week Mirabelli will accelerate to conclude for Biglia and Rodriguez.

http://www.calciomercato.com/news/inizia-la-settimana-di-rodriguez-e-biglia-il-milan-vuole-acceler-70387

Don't know how I feel about Biglia. Lazio want 25 million, the player will be 32 in January, and in all honesty he doesn't really elevate our midfield's quality that much. Unless we also plan on signing another mid if Montella plans on playing Bonaventura in attack...

Posted by: amancik Jun 4 2017, 11:56 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 5 2017, 06:51 AM) *
CM saying the upcoming week Mirabelli will accelerate to conclude for Biglia and Rodriguez.

http://www.calciomercato.com/news/inizia-la-settimana-di-rodriguez-e-biglia-il-milan-vuole-acceler-70387

Don't know how I feel about Biglia. Lazio want 25 million, the player will be 32 in January, and in all honesty he doesn't really elevate our midfield's quality that much. Unless we also plan on signing another mid if Montella plans on playing Bonaventura in attack...


Same here. 25 million for a player turning 32 is a bit too much. Less than 15 million may be okay. But I think there are better long term options.

Posted by: Danny Jun 5 2017, 10:33 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 4 2017, 08:34 PM) *
He contradicts because first he says he's not moving then he says that he doesn't know what will happen. Either you're sure or you're not


Like I said no contradiction. He said he doesn't want Italy. That doesn't mean he won't move elsewhere.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 5 2017, 11:03 AM

Hmh. Mixed feelings here with me.

- what's happening with the Kessie situation? What kind of medical problems occured?
- I don't think singing Biglia is a good choice; I'd rather use the money for Fabinho, even the 60M don't sound that bad
- Donnarumma and Raiola are starting to get on my nerves
- Modrić to Milan isn't impossible; Modrić is a Milan fan and admires Zvonimir Boban wink.gif

Posted by: han2503 Jun 5 2017, 11:46 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 5 2017, 11:03 AM) *
Hmh. Mixed feelings here with me.

- what's happening with the Kessie situation? What kind of medical problems occured?
- I don't think singing Biglia is a good choice; I'd rather use the money for Fabinho, even the 60M don't sound that bad
- Donnarumma and Raiola are starting to get on my nerves
- Modrić to Milan isn't impossible; Modrić is a Milan fan and admires Zvonimir Boban wink.gif

Everything is fine with Kessie, the move is official

The numbers being thrown around are all over the place for Biglia, I think we'll get him for around 15 to 18m plus bonuses. No way we'll pay 25m straight for him. In any case, I think he's definitely better than all our current mids and I think we'll purchase 2 more mids aside from Biglia and Kessi considering that we're going to be threadbare in this area with all the departures that will happen

Agreed about Donna and Raiola, but I think he'll sign this week

I personally can't see Modric happening, we have a better shot at Cesc

Posted by: Danny Jun 5 2017, 02:21 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 5 2017, 11:03 AM) *
- Modrić to Milan isn't impossible; Modrić is a Milan fan and admires Zvonimir Boban wink.gif


He's also on something like 250k at Real and remains at the top of his game. I suppose if Alonso could ditch Real for Bayern for 1.5M anything is indeed possible!

Posted by: Danny Jun 5 2017, 02:22 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 5 2017, 11:46 AM) *
Agreed about Donna and Raiola, but I think he'll sign this week


Why would he? A glut of teams want him for a shitload of cash, and Raiola sees the pound signs.

If Milan are only prepared to offer half of what rivals are, it's a VERY mature 18 year old who would stick with us. And I don't think he is.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 5 2017, 02:29 PM

The issue with Donnarumma is not his wages - it's the 101 release clauses that Raiola wants included in his deal.

I think one of them, was that if we don't make CL next season, Donnarumma should be able to move on. Another was a 100MM release clause or something.

Posted by: Danny Jun 5 2017, 03:32 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 5 2017, 02:29 PM) *
The issue with Donnarumma is not his wages - it's the 101 release clauses that Raiola wants included in his deal.

I think one of them, was that if we don't make CL next season, Donnarumma should be able to move on. Another was a 100MM release clause or something.


Problem is Raiola isn't doing anything Gigio isn't endorsing. He works on his behalf, like all agents, so as much as he's in it for the fat signing on fee he'll get himself, he is also facilitating Gigio's potential greed too.

Not that I actually resent it - if I had all the hype that he does around me at an age like that, I'd do a Pogba too and let my career go to sh*t while I pick up the money while I can.

Posted by: amancik Jun 5 2017, 04:32 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 5 2017, 11:32 PM) *
Not that I actually resent it - if I had all the hype that he does around me at an age like that, I'd do a Pogba too and let my career go to sh*t while I pick up the money while I can.


Exactly. We've seen far too many promising careers in ruins because of $$$ being thrown around these days.

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 5 2017, 07:31 PM

The only problem is Raiola. He corrupts all the players he works with, especially an 18-year-old Donnarumma who's much easier to manipulate.

But in the end I think Donna's love for Milan will prevail and Raiola will have to come to terms with that.

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 5 2017, 09:34 PM

Rodriguez is expected to have his medical tomorrow. Biglia seems very close as well.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Jun 5 2017, 11:53 PM

I think y'all are way too optimistic about Raiola and Donna. I hope I am wrong, but I don't see this ending well for us. Yeah, Donna may love Milan, but I am not sure that is enough to overcome Raiola's brainwashing (which is something I am sure he is good at) plus the smell of money along with the opportunity to play for a club that is "top" today (not yesterday or maybe in a few years).

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 6 2017, 01:22 PM

We can land a new player then...and Plizzari is there and rumours are he's very good. Maybe land Perin or Skorupski. Don't want a single player who thinks he's destined for greater stuff than Milan. All the best to them and godspeed.

Hurt enough by De Sciglio's whoring.

Posted by: Danny Jun 6 2017, 07:20 PM

The news we've all waited for:


OFFICIAL: STORARI returns to Milan for a year!

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 6 2017, 08:07 PM

Rodriguez is official.

Fassone and Mirabelli are on fire. I don't think we've ever signed three good players so early in the window.

Speaking of which, looks like we might opt for Belotti now that the Morata ship has sailed. Torino's sporting director said that it can happen, but we need to pay a lot. Reported price is around 80 million, but we might include a few players that Mihajlovic wants like Niang, Poli and Calabria to decrease the price.

Personally, I prefer Belotti to Morata.

Posted by: amancik Jun 6 2017, 08:24 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 7 2017, 04:07 AM) *
Rodriguez is official.

Fassone and Mirabelli are on fire. I don't think we've ever signed three good players so early in the window.

Speaking of which, looks like we might opt for Belotti now that the Morata ship has sailed. Torino's sporting director said that it can happen, but we need to pay a lot. Reported price is around 80 million, but we might include a few players that Mihajlovic wants like Niang, Poli and Calabria to decrease the price.

Personally, I prefer Belotti to Morata.


Yep. Three great signings and we have only just begun. I'm personally conflicted about choosing between Belotti and Morata. Technically, I think Morata is much better. But Belotti's positioning eclipse Morata on that front. But Belotti is a Milan fan and an Italian so definitely a plus. If we can get Belotti for slightly less than what we were willing to pay for Morata then it'd be another great signing.

Posted by: Danny Jun 6 2017, 10:05 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 6 2017, 08:07 PM) *
Rodriguez is official.


99%. But not totally done.

QUOTE
Fassone and Mirabelli are on fire. I don't think we've ever signed three good players so early in the window.


6 years late but it's finally happening.

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 6 2017, 11:44 PM

QUOTE (amancik @ Jun 6 2017, 08:24 PM) *
Yep. Three great signings and we have only just begun. I'm personally conflicted about choosing between Belotti and Morata. Technically, I think Morata is much better. But Belotti's positioning eclipse Morata on that front. But Belotti is a Milan fan and an Italian so definitely a plus. If we can get Belotti for slightly less than what we were willing to pay for Morata then it'd be another great signing.


Belotti reminds me of Vieri. Similar technique on the ball, strong physically, and great sense of goal. But Belotti seems more technically gifted, and I would welcome his signing.

But we desperately need a top singing in midfield as well, and that signing can't be Biglia.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 7 2017, 12:26 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 6 2017, 03:22 PM) *
We can land a new player then...and Plizzari is there and rumours are he's very good. Maybe land Perin or Skorupski. Don't want a single player who thinks he's destined for greater stuff than Milan. All the best to them and godspeed.

Hurt enough by De Sciglio's whoring.

Perin is good but he's still injured and it looks bad, doesn't it? Skorupski - I'm not so sure about him. Anyway, you are right. If Donna isn't in his mind and with his heart at Milan, we might as well ship him off now. Or another MDS might just happen.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 6 2017, 10:07 PM) *
Rodriguez is official.

Fassone and Mirabelli are on fire. I don't think we've ever signed three good players so early in the window.

Speaking of which, looks like we might opt for Belotti now that the Morata ship has sailed. Torino's sporting director said that it can happen, but we need to pay a lot. Reported price is around 80 million, but we might include a few players that Mihajlovic wants like Niang, Poli and Calabria to decrease the price.

Personally, I prefer Belotti to Morata.

Well, Belotti is more of a talent and gamble. I think what we need, both in attack and defense, is a more experienced winner. Morata has proven himself to be that man, especially if you consider he already played in Serie A. It all comes down to personal preferences. If you ask me, it would be Aubameyang > Morata > Belotti.

Posted by: Danny Jun 7 2017, 12:45 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 6 2017, 08:07 PM) *
Personally, I prefer Belotti to Morata.


You prefer anyone to Morata.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 7 2017, 09:41 AM

I find Belotti to be a penalty box finisher with a good work rate. I'm not in favour of this actually. I'm not sure we are getting much beyond what we did with Bacca, other than work rate.

So unless the plan is to play with 2 strikers - no sense in buying Belotti.

Posted by: Danny Jun 7 2017, 10:57 AM

I stand by my 'small club striker' fear with him.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Jun 7 2017, 11:05 AM

Aubameyang has agreed a four-year deal with PSG worth €14m/year. BVB want €70m as the transfer fee [SportBILD].

La Gazzetta dello Sport: Aubameyang, who was previously unconvinced by Milan, is now open to a return to his former club. Milan are offering him €7.5m/yr in wages.

la Repubblica: Real Madrid are willing to offer €60m to sign Donnarumma.

Ricardo Rodriguez has arrived at the La Madonnina Clinic for his medicals!

Milan's meeting with Atalanta on Thursday for Conti is confirmed. A deal could be closed for €20-21m+bonuses. Milan are in a hurry to close a deal for Conti before he heads to the European championship with Italy U-21 [Alfredo Pedullà].

Lucas Biglia to Milan is a done deal for €25m (bonuses included). Biglia will sign a three-year deal+option for another year worth €3.5m/year. Biglia could take his Milan medical between the 15th and 16th of June, after the end of his international duty with Argentina [Sky].

Manchester United have had a €60m offer for Morata rejected by Real Madrid, who want €90m according to Sky. Manchester United consider Belotti the alternative for Morata, however, just like Milan, they don't intend to offer €100m for him.

Milan are interested in Thiago Maia, however the player is not a priority at the moment [SportItalia].


Posted by: amancik Jun 7 2017, 11:07 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 7 2017, 05:41 PM) *
I find Belotti to be a penalty box finisher with a good work rate. I'm not in favour of this actually. I'm not sure we are getting much beyond what we did with Bacca, other than work rate.

So unless the plan is to play with 2 strikers - no sense in buying Belotti.


I completely agree. Shevchenko and Inzaghi type of pairing if we're gonna make it work with Belotti. But nowadays it's hard to find a complete forward like Shevchenko to compliment Belotti. Even Morata and Aubameyang are somewhere in between.

Posted by: amancik Jun 7 2017, 11:10 AM

If we can get Conti, I think our defence can be one of the strongest in the league. Conti-Musacchio-Romagnoli-Rodriguez. Awesome back line. Abate-Antonelli-Gomez-Zapata as subs. It doesnt get any better than that.

Posted by: Forza Milan! Jun 7 2017, 12:57 PM

QUOTE (amancik @ Jun 7 2017, 12:10 PM) *
If we can get Conti, I think our defence can be one of the strongest in the league. Conti-Musacchio-Romagnoli-Rodriguez. Awesome back line. Abate-Antonelli-Gomez-Zapata as subs. It doesnt get any better than that.

We still need a stronger midfield. As for forwards, given the options, I would rather stick to (ehm) Bacca and Lapa (and wait until something better comes up). Midfield is more important right now. As for Donna, at this point I would take the 60M from Real and move on. Like it or not, he is most likely leaving.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 7 2017, 03:45 PM

So now reports say that Jun 12th/13th is the deadline provided to Donnarumma for his decision. No one really answering then what.

Everyone talking about a new midfield signing and a new winger signing for Milan. Is Montolivo really out of it then?

We've also signed a new medical doctor now. The old person (Tavano) has not had his contract renewed.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 7 2017, 04:06 PM

Rodolfo Tavano? He was a good doctor, but we need to turn to the future.

Jack, you still believe in Montolivo?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 7 2017, 04:32 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 7 2017, 10:36 PM) *
Rodolfo Tavano? He was a good doctor, but we need to turn to the future.

Jack, you still believe in Montolivo?


I believe he needs to be sold. But his is the one name that's not popped up in discussions anywhere. Even Poli has got more press than him.

If it were up to me, we'd keep Honda and let Montolivo move on.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jun 7 2017, 07:12 PM

All of them are subpar, but perhaps we should keep one for rotational and bench purposes.

Posted by: amancik Jun 7 2017, 07:42 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 8 2017, 03:12 AM) *
All of them are subpar, but perhaps we should keep one for rotational and bench purposes.


+1

They may not be first team material but we need depth to succeed in case of injuries especially now we're competing in three competitions.

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 7 2017, 08:07 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 7 2017, 12:45 AM) *
You prefer anyone to Morata.


No, I just prefer better players.

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 7 2017, 09:41 AM) *
I find Belotti to be a penalty box finisher with a good work rate. I'm not in favour of this actually. I'm not sure we are getting much beyond what we did with Bacca, other than work rate.

So unless the plan is to play with 2 strikers - no sense in buying Belotti.


Come on now, really? Yes, Belotti is a pure striker, but comparing him to Bacca is unfair. Belotti is much faster and stronger physically, and that make a whole lot of difference if you ask me.

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jun 7 2017, 11:05 AM) *
Manchester United have had a €60m offer for Morata rejected by Real Madrid, who want €90m according to Sky. Manchester United consider Belotti the alternative for Morata, however, just like Milan, they don't intend to offer €100m for him.[SportItalia].


90M for Morata? What are they smoking at Madrid? He's worth less than half of that.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 7 2017, 07:12 PM) *
All of them are subpar, but perhaps we should keep one for rotational and bench purposes.


I'd be perfectly happy with Montolivo on the bench. Or Locatelli.

Posted by: Danny Jun 7 2017, 08:26 PM

What are they smoking? The same as the rest of this forum, you excepted smile.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 7 2017, 09:00 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 7 2017, 08:26 PM) *
What are they smoking? The same as the rest of this forum, you excepted smile.gif


I think even you would agree that 90M for Morata is too much. OK, 60M given the insane prices floating nowadays would be understandable, but 90M? Let's not joke around.

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 7 2017, 09:03 PM

Our first offer for Belotti was below 50M. [Mediaset]

Torino want 100M. Obviously no-one's gonna spend that much so hopefully the parties can meet somewhere in between with a few players included to lower the price.

Posted by: Danny Jun 7 2017, 09:52 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 7 2017, 09:00 PM) *
I think even you would agree that 90M for Morata is too much. OK, 60M given the insane prices floating nowadays would be understandable, but 90M? Let's not joke around.


90M Euros is about 75M UK.

That is honestly about right for a world class goalscorer. He's done it while being a fringe player. About one in two. Always second fiddle to either Ronaldo, Benzema, Bale, Tevez, Dybala. One in two as first choice in Serie A or La Liga is excellent, but as a sub? That's outstanding.

And crucially he's done it in Italy.

But it doesn't matter anyway as there's next to no chance we'll sign him.

Posted by: Danny Jun 7 2017, 09:55 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 7 2017, 09:03 PM) *
Our first offer for Belotti was below 50M. [Mediaset]

Torino want 100M. Obviously no-one's gonna spend that much so hopefully the parties can meet somewhere in between with a few players included to lower the price.


I almost don't want Belotti as much because you favour him so ridiculously over the massively superior Morata as I do because I think he's a small club striker.

If you look at their stats, they're very similar. Except, Morata has one in two for his country as well, while Belotti has been a first choice his entire career.

It's no wonder he's a backup to Utd's first choice of Morata just like he seems to be for us.

No one's first choice. Pretty good reason Morata is.

Posted by: Danny Jun 7 2017, 09:56 PM

This all said, Belotti would be better than nothing even if I think he's just another Gilardino.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Jun 7 2017, 10:34 PM

Milan offered €45m+bonuses for Belotti. Torino asked for €70m+Niang and Zapata [Sky].

Milan are also moving concretely for Correntin Tolisso, according to Di Marzio.

BREAKING: Milan have reached an agreement with Lazio for Keita Balde. Keita and his agent are now evaluating whether to accept joining Milan or wait for Juventus [Di Marzio].

SKY | Lazio met with Keita's agent to inform him they have an agreement with Milan for both Biglia and Keita. It's all in Keita's hands now. Milan could sign both Biglia and Keita Balde from Lazio for around €50M.


Posted by: X-Offender Jun 7 2017, 10:41 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 7 2017, 09:52 PM) *
90M Euros is about 75M UK.

That is honestly about right for a world class goalscorer. He's done it while being a fringe player. About one in two. Always second fiddle to either Ronaldo, Benzema, Bale, Tevez, Dybala. One in two as first choice in Serie A or La Liga is excellent, but as a sub? That's outstanding.

And crucially he's done it in Italy.

But it doesn't matter anyway as there's next to no chance we'll sign him.


"World class goalscorer"

OK.


Posted by: Danny Jun 7 2017, 11:28 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 7 2017, 10:41 PM) *
"World class goalscorer"

OK.


Haterz gonna hate biggrin.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 7 2017, 11:38 PM

Hate what? That you just called a second fiddle player a world class goalscorer? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Danny Jun 8 2017, 01:17 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 7 2017, 11:38 PM) *
Hate what? That you just called a second fiddle player a world class goalscorer? rolleyes.gif


Hm.

La Liga: 15 in 30

UCL: 3 in 9.

Serie A 14 goals/assists in 32

UCL 4 in 8

Serie A 8 in 29

Spain 7 in 12.

If that's not good enough to be classed as world class, then the standard of world class has gone into space.

But..I am now absolutely bored of this. I'm done discussing this topic with you as it isn't going to go anywhere.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Jun 8 2017, 07:06 AM

Diego Costa is to be sold by chelsea apparently

Posted by: X-Offender Jun 8 2017, 08:53 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 8 2017, 01:17 AM) *
Hm.

La Liga: 15 in 30

UCL: 3 in 9.

Serie A 14 goals/assists in 32

UCL 4 in 8

Serie A 8 in 29

Spain 7 in 12.

If that's not good enough to be classed as world class, then the standard of world class has gone into space.

But..I am now absolutely bored of this. I'm done discussing this topic with you as it isn't going to go anywhere.


Let me rephrase that for you.

For Juventus:
2014/15 - 15 goals in 46 appearances
2015/16 - 12 goals in 47 appearances

For Madrid:
2015/16 - 20 goals in 43 appearances

How is that good enough to label someone world class? The stats with Juventus are pathetic, and scoring 20 goals for Madrid, a machine that's scored 173 goals in the entire season, is hardly an amazing thing to be proud of. It's good, but not great.

Those are not world class stats, simple as.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jun 8 2017, 10:38 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 8 2017, 03:23 PM) *
Let me rephrase that for you.

For Juventus:
2014/15 - 15 goals in 46 appearances
2015/16 - 12 goals in 47 appearances

For Madrid:
2015/16 - 20 goals in 43 appearances

How is that good enough to label someone world class? The stats with Juventus are pathetic, and scoring 20 goals for Madrid, a machine that's scored 173 goals in the entire season, is hardly an amazing thing to be proud of. It's good, but not great.

Those are not world class stats, simple as.


C'mon man, appearances include Subs. So that's a bit unfair. But yes, if you consider world class to be the stratospheric heights of Ibra, Messi, Ronaldo, Auba etc. then I completely understand.

Regarding Belotti vs Morata - I guess Danny and I just feel Morata is the more technically flexible player and the one who'll suit us better compared to Belotti. That is under the assumption, we play the exact same way we did this season (replacing Kucka with Kessie or our defenders for the new ones etc.) . If so I don't think a penalty box striker is what we lacked this season, but more of a modern forward, especially once we lost Jack.

My theory is that Jack was our only real goalscoring threat once Niang tapered off. Suso was more of a creator type. So once teams doubled up on Suso, we were stuck. Mati Fernandez was injured and the coach wouldn't play Honda.

So all-in-all a penalty box striker was getting no service nor were defenders distracted since he(Bacca) was all they had to focus on in the box giving him no chance to find any space.

I think this sort of explains our slump through some of the winter months.


And I don't see how Belotti can improve on this honestly X-Off. I've not watched Torino. I did watch all his skill comps on YT though, and all of it is when he is in space in the penalty box. Something I don't think he will get unless we change the way we play. - Which of course could happen, in which case I'm happy to have Belotti. I like his personality, I like that he's a young Italian player and was a Milan fan. I just have concerns over tactical fitment.

Basically paying 120% more than the cost for our existing striker to get a 20% improvement is bad business right?

Posted by: Danny Jun 8 2017, 11:13 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 8 2017, 08:53 AM) *
Let me rephrase that for you.

For Juventus:
2014/15 - 15 goals in 46 appearances
2015/16 - 12 goals in 47 appearances

For Madrid:
2015/16 - 20 goals in 43 appearances

How is that good enough to label someone world class? The stats with Juventus are pathetic, and scoring 20 goals for Madrid, a machine that's scored 173 goals in the entire season, is hardly an amazing thing to be proud of. It's good, but not great.

Those are not world class stats, simple as.


Can we agree on Costa?

Posted by: Danny Jun 8 2017, 11:13 AM

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jun 8 2017, 07:06 AM) *
Diego Costa is to be sold by chelsea apparently


We're in talks. I'd take him quicker than you can say 'absolute c*nt'.

Posted by: amancik Jun 8 2017, 11:18 AM

Agreed. With the current crop of players we have Belotti would not have a significant impact. By significant I mean, it'd be difficult for him to score more than 20 goals for Milan. The last time we had 20+ a season goalscorers were Ibrahimovic and Shevchenko in the past decade or so. Ibra and Shevchenko were not penalty-box type strikers.

Posted by: amancik Jun 8 2017, 11:19 AM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 8 2017, 07:13 PM) *
We're in talks. I'd take him quicker than you can say 'absolute c*nt'.


No way. He's absolute c*nt.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 8 2017, 12:08 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 5 2017, 02:22 PM) *
Why would he? A glut of teams want him for a shitload of cash, and Raiola sees the pound signs.

If Milan are only prepared to offer half of what rivals are, it's a VERY mature 18 year old who would stick with us. And I don't think he is.

We're giving him a **** load of cash too. 5m per year is almost as much as Buffon makes FFS and would put him in the top 5-10 earners among keepers in the world. And he'd be one of our highest earners as well considering he's our lowest earner now

I personally think they've already agreed on a new deal and he'll sign when he's done with NT duty. The trouble was always Raiola and his clauses.

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 5 2017, 02:29 PM) *
The issue with Donnarumma is not his wages - it's the 101 release clauses that Raiola wants included in his deal.

I think one of them, was that if we don't make CL next season, Donnarumma should be able to move on. Another was a 100MM release clause or something.

Agreed about Raiola's clauses

The CL clause is that if we don't make CL next season his release clause would be lower than the one he seems intent on slapping on him. Example, if the release clause is set at 100m, if we don't get into the CL that is slashed down to 50m.

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 5 2017, 03:32 PM) *
Problem is Raiola isn't doing anything Gigio isn't endorsing. He works on his behalf, like all agents, so as much as he's in it for the fat signing on fee he'll get himself, he is also facilitating Gigio's potential greed too.

Not that I actually resent it - if I had all the hype that he does around me at an age like that, I'd do a Pogba too and let my career go to sh*t while I pick up the money while I can.

Agreed on that front about Raiolo, I think the general consensus on wage has been agreed, it's the clauses Raiolo wants to insert that are causing problems since Fassone doesn't want to agree to a Pogba style clause which really fucked Juve over imo. So As long as we come out on top in this case, I don't care how long it takes them to agree to sign on the dotted line, I personally think that Donna has already agreed to his bit, now it's just technicalities with Raiola

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 5 2017, 07:31 PM) *
The only problem is Raiola. He corrupts all the players he works with, especially an 18-year-old Donnarumma who's much easier to manipulate.

But in the end I think Donna's love for Milan will prevail and Raiola will have to come to terms with that.

Agreed

Raiola is just trying to get a good deal for himself now that he's secured a mega wage packet for his client

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 5 2017, 11:53 PM) *
I think y'all are way too optimistic about Raiola and Donna. I hope I am wrong, but I don't see this ending well for us. Yeah, Donna may love Milan, but I am not sure that is enough to overcome Raiola's brainwashing (which is something I am sure he is good at) plus the smell of money along with the opportunity to play for a club that is "top" today (not yesterday or maybe in a few years).

I'm personally confident about this because I know we're offering him a very good deal (more than he deserves at this point in his career imo). No one can really offer him what Milan have, which is a sure 1st team spot, great wages and all the support he needs to continue to improve. So personally, I'm not at all concerned about Donna's renewal as I'm 99.99% sure it's already agreed upon

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 6 2017, 01:22 PM) *
We can land a new player then...and Plizzari is there and rumours are he's very good. Maybe land Perin or Skorupski. Don't want a single player who thinks he's destined for greater stuff than Milan. All the best to them and godspeed.

Hurt enough by De Sciglio's whoring.

Cagliari's Luca Crosta is also ours, he looked great when we played against them in the last match day of the season

Still, I think Donna will definitely be staying and signing on this summer. Either way, we still have options.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 6 2017, 08:07 PM) *
Rodriguez is official.

Fassone and Mirabelli are on fire. I don't think we've ever signed three good players so early in the window.

Speaking of which, looks like we might opt for Belotti now that the Morata ship has sailed. Torino's sporting director said that it can happen, but we need to pay a lot. Reported price is around 80 million, but we might include a few players that Mihajlovic wants like Niang, Poli and Calabria to decrease the price.

Personally, I prefer Belotti to Morata.

Agreed about Fassone and Mirabelli. Can't stress enough on how great I think they're doing so far.

I also admire how Mirabelli is seemingly setting up multiple very good targets for the same position so he's never caught flat footed. Morata was a bust, then we move on to the next target on the list.

As for sending players to Toro, I keep reading Niang's and Zapata's names as the ones which could go in the other direction to soften Cairo. Poli is off to Bologna, we're actually making 3m from his sale (another reason why I'm so impressed, Galliani would have probably sent him for free and paid half his wages for a year rolleyes.gif)

Also, I don't want us to sell Calabria, he should be sent out on loan with Locatelli (preferably to the same team as well)

QUOTE (amancik @ Jun 6 2017, 08:24 PM) *
Yep. Three great signings and we have only just begun. I'm personally conflicted about choosing between Belotti and Morata. Technically, I think Morata is much better. But Belotti's positioning eclipse Morata on that front. But Belotti is a Milan fan and an Italian so definitely a plus. If we can get Belotti for slightly less than what we were willing to pay for Morata then it'd be another great signing.

Belotti is a powerhouse, Morata might be considered a more "complete" forward, but Belotti is no simple penalty box poacher either

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 6 2017, 11:44 PM) *
Belotti reminds me of Vieri. Similar technique on the ball, strong physically, and great sense of goal. But Belotti seems more technically gifted, and I would welcome his signing.

But we desperately need a top singing in midfield as well, and that signing can't be Biglia.

We're being linked with Tolisso a lot, he's a great talent imo, but I agree we're missing a creator in midfield even if we get Biglia and Tolisso (long shot, he wants a CL team) who are both very good on the ball imo

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 7 2017, 12:26 AM) *
Well, Belotti is more of a talent and gamble. I think what we need, both in attack and defense, is a more experienced winner. Morata has proven himself to be that man, especially if you consider he already played in Serie A. It all comes down to personal preferences. If you ask me, it would be Aubameyang > Morata > Belotti.

Auba is off to PSG and considering his age, reliance on speed, transfer sum and requested wages I think it would have been a much bigger gamble than either Belotti or Morata.

And sure Belotti has a big transfer sum attached to his head, but I think people are forgetting that we'd only be paying him a third of what the other two would demand in wages.

So in the long run, Belotti would be a smaller risk imo.

Posted by: han2503 Jun 8 2017, 12:08 PM

QUOTE (amancik @ Jun 7 2017, 11:07 AM) *
I completely agree. Shevchenko and Inzaghi type of pairing if we're gonna make it work with Belotti. But nowadays it's hard to find a complete forward like Shevchenko to compliment Belotti. Even Morata and Aubameyang are somewhere in between.

We definitely won't go for a 2 striker system imo. We might switch around to a 3-5-2 during the season but I personally don't think it will be our go to formation.

I think Montella will either go 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 depending on who we sign for midfield and wings

QUOTE (amancik @ Jun 7 2017, 11:10 AM) *
If we can get Conti, I think our defence can be one of the strongest in the league. Conti-Musacchio-Romagnoli-Rodriguez. Awesome back line. Abate-Antonelli-Gomez-Zapata as subs. It doesnt get any better than that.

Looks like this week will be decisive for Conti as well. Great piece of business, probably one of the best FBs/WBs in the league this season

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Jun 7 2017, 12:57 PM) *
We still need a stronger midfield. As for forwards, given the options, I would rather stick to (ehm) Bacca and Lapa (and wait until something better comes up). Midfield is more important right now. As for Donna, at this point I would take the 60M from Real and move on. Like it or not, he is most likely leaving.

Nah, please no more Bacca. I've had enough of his lazy b!tch @ss attitude. Plus I think it's obvious that he's going to be sold imo

The Real rumours are just that, I don't think they're really after him or any other keeper for that matter

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jun 7 2017, 03:45 PM) *
So now reports say that Jun 12th/13th is the deadline provided to Donnarumma for his decision. No one really answering then what.

Everyone talking about a new midfield signing and a new winger signing for Milan. Is Montolivo really out of it then?

We've also signed a new medical doctor now. The old person (Tavano) has not had his contract renewed.

These deadlines are just guesses by the press, we'll know when we'll know, but as I said, I'm pretty sure they've already agreed terms and are just waiting for Donna to finish up with the NT and U-21s

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 7 2017, 09:03 PM) *
Our first offer for Belotti was below 50M. [Mediaset]

Torino want 100M. Obviously no-one's gonna spend that much so hopefully the parties can meet somewhere in between with a few players included to lower the price.

Torino won't hold out for 100m, It's already being reported that they lowered the asking price to 70m + Zapata and Niang. I'm sure we can get them to agree for something a bit lower and those mentioned players. Maybe throw in Kucka as well

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 7 2017, 09:56 PM) *
This all said, Belotti would be better than nothing even if I think he's just another Gilardino.

Disagree with that sentiment completely. Belotti is nothing like Gila. He might not be as skilful as Morata but he's not a poacher either

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jun 7 2017, 10:34 PM) *
Milan offered €45m+bonuses for Belotti. Torino asked for €70m+Niang and Zapata [Sky].

Milan are also moving concretely for Correntin Tolisso, according to Di Marzio.

BREAKING: Milan have reached an agreement with Lazio for Keita Balde. Keita and his agent are now evaluating whether to accept joining Milan or wait for Juventus [Di Marzio].

SKY | Lazio met with Keita's agent to inform him they have an agreement with Milan for both Biglia and Keita. It's all in Keita's hands now. Milan could sign both Biglia and Keita Balde from Lazio for around €50M.

Great news all round

QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 8 2017, 11:13 AM) *
We're in talks. I'd take him quicker than you can say 'absolute c*nt'.

Noooo. Can't stand this idiot. And how old is he these days anyway?

For the wages he'd demand and how much Chelsea want for him it wouldn't make any sense. At to that he is an "absolute c*nt" as you put it and I don't want him disgracing this shirt. Not now that we're getting a new start

QUOTE (amancik @ Jun 8 2017, 11:18 AM) *
Agreed. With the current crop of players we have Belotti would not have a significant impact. By significant I mean, it'd be difficult for him to score more than 20 goals for Milan. The last time we had 20+ a season goalscorers were Ibrahimovic and Shevchenko in the past decade or so. Ibra and Shevchenko were not penalty-box type strikers.

This thinking would still be flawed even if you put Belotti in the team we had last season. Belotti plays for Toro and he still managed to bang in the goals this season, even without an amazing supporting cast behind him. Now put him in the team we had last season instead of they whiney, lazy Bacca who kept missing sitters. He'd still get you a good number of goals

Now instead of last season's Milan put him in this new Milan. Just look at the FBs we'll most likely have next season. Rodirguez and Conti are both great going forward. Rodriguez being one of the best crossers in the Bundesliga and Conti being a great attacking threat as well. Now add to that a much improved midfield instead of the likes of Kucka and Pasalic and Suso next to him who can rack up a decent amount of assists if he has a good supporting cast.

I personally think Belotti would be a great addition and he'd thrive here, especially considering that playing for Milan would be an absolute honour for him since Milan is the club he's always supported


Btw, sorry for the long posts guys, I've just been catching up and wanted to reply to all the good points being thrown around here

Posted by: han2503 Jun 8 2017, 01:20 PM

Bologna have reached an agreement with Poli on the basis of a four-year deal. No details about the transfer formula yet. [Gazzetta]

@Squawka Ricardo Rodríguez has registered more assists (24) in the Bundesliga since joining Wolfsburg than any other defender.

@SkySportsNewsHQ BREAKING: AC Milan are in talks with Diego Costa’s agent about a possible deal for the Chelsea striker - Sky sources #SSNHQ

BREAKING: Milan have reached an agreement with Lazio for Keita Balde [Sky].

Keita and his agent are evaluating whether to accept joining Milan or wait for Juventus [Di Marzio].

The potential Biglia-Keita transfer to Milan could potentially be worth €50m+bonuses [Di Marzio].

Il Messaggero reports Lazio president will not allow Keita to leave for Juve, especially after an insulting offer of €12M.

Keita's agent does have an agreement with Juve. [Il Messaggero]

Lotito has told Keita: Sign with Milan, renew with Lazio or sit in the stands for a year. Milan have an agreement for Biglia + Keita at €45M

Lazio met with Keita's agent to inform him they have an agreement with Milan for both Biglia and Keita. Its all in Keita's hands now. [Sky]

The player and the agent are evaluating whether they should wait for Juventus or join Milan now. [Sky]

Keita's agent will meet with Milan management later today. @MilanNewsit

@SkyKaveh Where next for Diego Costa? His agent Jorge Mendes is due to meet AC Milan today. Mendes also represents James Rodriguez

In the coming hours Milan will meet Jorge Mendes for Andre Silva, Diego Costa and James Rodriguez [Di Marzio].

Jorge Mendes could arrive in Milan tomorrow [Sky] --- This is today as it was posted about 14 hours ago

Milan will meet with Andrea Conti's agent tomorrow afternoon in Casa Milan. Inter are also interested [Di Marzio].

Milan are considering PSG midfielder Grzegorz Krychowiak [SportItalia].

Marseille are interested in signing Paletta. [SportItalia]

Posted by: han2503 Jun 8 2017, 01:25 PM

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Agent: ‘Milan want Morata’

Alvaro Morata’s agent confirms interest from Milan in the Real Madrid striker “existed and still exists”.

The Rossoneri have been linked with the Spanish international, but it appears their interest has cooled in recent days after Morata said he’d stay at the Bernabeu.

“Alvaro is a player who wants to play a more important role,” Juanma Lopez warned in an interview with FootMercato.

“He wants to play more, which makes sense for a striker who scored 19 goals [in all competitions]. It’s not enough.

“Will he stay? I don’t know, it was a brilliant season for Real Madrid who won a lot of titles. The player will make a clear and definitive decision in the next few days.

“I haven’t met Real Madrid’s directors yet.

“The interest from Milan? It existed and it still exists, and it’s the same for the other great teams interested in a player of his calibre.

“He doesn’t want to have another season like this one. It was a great season, but he wants to play more.”


Looks like they're keeping all their options open for the striker position and they'll strike at the first good opportunity they get

This is why I don't buy into the Costa rumours, I think the meeting with Mendes is about James or Andre Silva

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