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post Oct 7 2010, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 7 2010, 09:17 PM) *
(why isn't he the best player in the world then if he is so gifted huh?)..

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Reminds me of the Batman: The Animated Series episode: "If You're So Smart, Why Aren't You Rich?" Seriously though, I do agree that if (and a very big if, at that) Kaka ever arrives, that should be the end of the Ronaldinho adventure in Milan. There is no chance in God's green earth we'll be paying the wags of both.

And more than that, the choice rests with Berlusconi here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) He brought R80 here, and he will be the one who'll make the final decision of selling him to the highest bidder. I don't know if this change will occur, but if it does, Kaka should better be fit - we can't afford an injured R80, and we surely can't afford a Kaka that stays injured for half the season. Fine mess we'll get ourselves into if we have to juggle these two players, either way. I'd much rather take Ganso. At least he has a future that he can build up on.
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post Oct 7 2010, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 7 2010, 10:34 AM) *
Because it all makes sense. Like it or not, Dinho will leave if not in January, then surely in June, though reporters are more and more suggesting the first hypothesis. We'd have to find ourselves a replacement, and since players like Pastore (whom I'd choose over Kaka' any day, mind you) are unreachable, dealing with our dear friend Florentino remains the most valid alternative. There's nothing concerte yet, I'm not deluding myself, but it's not just a silly media rumor.


Oh.

I think it's just a silly media rumor, to be honest. I'm glad to see your evidence is the same as mine.
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post Oct 7 2010, 07:36 PM
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The mediaset story seems to originate somewhere in spain.

The last two times Milan brought back Golden Ball winners....it didn't exactly work out.

So no to Kaka bis from me.
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post Oct 7 2010, 08:08 PM
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QUOTE (Tennie @ Oct 7 2010, 08:36 PM) *
The mediaset story seems to originate somewhere in spain.

The last two times Milan brought back Golden Ball winners....it didn't exactly work out.

So no to Kaka bis from me.


Actually, it originates from Panorama, which is an Italian magazine.
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post Oct 7 2010, 08:40 PM
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Oh my, oh my....

some people only think of the Kaka from his Milan glory days, yet refuse to see the player he's become. He's physically deteriorated to such a degree that he's injured for months on end. You say he has pace? I say he's lost at least 50% of the acceleration he had during his Milan days before his knees were shot to hell.

Kaka is damaged goods, for all the BS talk about our management, we know they're no idiots. They knew what they were selling Chelsea and Madrid when it came to Sheva and Kaka. And surprise, surprise both were flops in their new big teams, injuries playing a big part in that.

Ronaldinho is not our future, he's our present, but neither is Kaka he's no longer the golden child of Milan, he's 28 and has serious physical issues, and for all the fat jokes about Dinho he never gets injured and imo having such a focal player for the team getting injured would lead to big problems.

Next season we need to think about replacing Dinho, but it has to be with someone who is top quality, does not have injury issues and is not approaching 30.
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post Oct 7 2010, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 7 2010, 02:54 PM) *
Ahem...I said the same thing. What is this? Ignore the smart, sexy, awesome, always-right pirate thread??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)


Whoopee...that's a fun event! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I didn't see your post but I'm quoting this one to show you that I can't ignore you even if I wanted!
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post Oct 7 2010, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 7 2010, 09:40 PM) *
Oh my, oh my....

some people only think of the Kaka from his Milan glory days, yet refuse to see the player he's become. He's physically deteriorated to such a degree that he's injured for months on end. You say he has pace? I say he's lost at least 50% of the acceleration he had during his Milan days before his knees were shot to hell.

Kaka is damaged goods, for all the BS talk about our management, we know they're no idiots. They knew what they were selling Chelsea and Madrid when it came to Sheva and Kaka. And surprise, surprise both were flops in their new big teams, injuries playing a big part in that.

Ronaldinho is not our future, he's our present, but neither is Kaka he's no longer the golden child of Milan, he's 28 and has serious physical issues, and for all the fat jokes about Dinho he never gets injured and imo having such a focal player for the team getting injured would lead to big problems.

Next season we need to think about replacing Dinho, but it has to be with someone who is top quality, does not have injury issues and is not approaching 30.


Eh, his injury-prone nature is the only thing that worries me. I'm not doubting the player. But we don't know for sure whether his injuries will keep on or if this last surgery will put an end to it. Either way, it's a risk I'm willing to take.
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post Oct 7 2010, 09:56 PM
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Panorama seems to have gotten it from spain, Xoff. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But anyway, still think it's mostly fantamercato fueled from spain (where they do want to offload him).

I don't think it's wise for Milan to consider given our track record with bringing guys back. Weren't we supposed to be focussing on young players anyway?
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post Oct 7 2010, 10:51 PM
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For me, so much of whether this deal makes sense is whether or not Dinho is capable of playing in the hole in a 4-3-1-2 formation. I want us to return to this formation. It's the formation we have the personnel for, and we are far more balanced with it. If we replace Dinho and keep the 4-3-3, we have midfield questions to solve in the offseason - which would involve spending money for quality. I don't want to see us play the risky 4-3-3 anymore, nor do I want to see Pato play out wide anymore. Every time Pato plays up front, he scores (look at his last two performances for Brazil where Menezes played him up front, not out wide - he's scored).

For those overly concerned with the 'injury' gamble, it was the same roll of the dice we made when we signed Dinho. Dinho was damaged goods when we bought him. There was a high risk in bringing him. He was hurt in his last year at Barca, he was hurt and then unfit his first year here. But we had patience, and we were rewarded considerably for it.

Regardless of whether he still has his acceleration or not, Kaka's still capable of playing with his brain. For Brazil, he was a provider. He wasn't the rampaging, 1-man counter attacking machine that he used to be for us. But he was a smartly positioned, still had excellent control, and made several of Brazil's goals this summer. For all his 'suckiness' last season in Madrid, he scored 12 goals and tallied 10 assists in a season he didn't fully take part in.

I would take Pastore over Ricky any day at this point. However, X-Off and Chu's points about how much better and balanced we would be tactically is undeniable.

Yes, we're supposed to be going towards youth, but there is no ready made replacement for either Dinho OR a CAM position in our youth ranks. We'd HAVE to spend on a replacement for them, and with the 4-3-3 we'd have to replace both Dinho AND make some midfield signings. I wish it had been Hernanes or Pastore when they were all but ours, but B&G are short-sighted in the wrong moments. Kaka is a quick fix, and all in all could be less expensive when you think of the holes a central attacking mid would cover in a 4-3-1-2, as opposed to a new winger with the same midfield issues the 4-3-3 poses.

The question: can dinho play in the hole. For me, this determines whether this move is worth it. He showed he may work out there against Parma, I guess he may have til January to fully convince..

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post Oct 7 2010, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE (vnata001 @ Oct 7 2010, 10:51 PM) *
For all his 'suckiness' last season in Madrid, he scored 12 goals and tallied 10 assists in a season he didn't fully take part in.

I don't get all this anti-Kaka' stuff. But then again, it seems if you leave Milan, you automatically become Judas.
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post Oct 7 2010, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 7 2010, 11:55 PM) *
I don't get all this anti-Kaka' stuff. But then again, it seems if you leave Milan, you automatically become Judas.

I think it's more the opposite. Just remember how we cried for Kaka, and now...we're being so rational.
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post Oct 8 2010, 12:05 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 7 2010, 03:42 PM) *
I think it's more the opposite. Just remember how we cried for Kaka, and now...we're being so rational.


i wasn't being serious in calling him sucky, hence the quotes around 'suckiness'. He didn't suck for Madrid or Brazil. He simply wasn't playing in the same role for Madrid as he was for us. If you play Kaka in an Iniesta-like midfield role, and expect him to score like he did for us when he played second striker, then your expectations are off.

if we were all being rational, then we'd see that his performances for Madrid and Brazil over the past year, while certainly not the Kaka of old, was far from a washed-up, injured, 'complete waste-of-time-to-even-consider', has-been that some people on here are talking about him like.

If we were so willing to grant Dinho the benefit of the doubt when he came, then there really shouldn't be such hesitation to do the same for Kaka, ex-player or not.

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post Oct 8 2010, 06:04 AM
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It's a dream but I would like to see Luis Suarez come to Milan.. he's a great talent and will move on from Ajax some day.
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QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 7 2010, 06:02 AM) *

That's not bullshit, that's just downright pathetic.
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@ Zed.D: Thanks bud. I love you too.

@MilanManiac9: I do like KPB. But I perhaps see him differently to you. I see him as an attacking box-to-box. If Gerrard and Essien are two ends of the box-to-box spectrum when it comes to defence and attack..I'd place KPB closer to Gerrard's end. So your formation has 5 attacking players...and to me that's something you do in a desperate situation, not really as a normal starting formation.

About Kaka...I think he's injured. He's still not come back to full fitness. And to sell R80 and bring back Kaka doesn't really solve our problems. It's just that those who don't like R80 get rid of him...and get to see Kaka. IMO...we'll just be spinning wheels...coz as much as vnata says Kaka plays with his brain (that's true in that he's not Theo Walcott)...he's not really got as much vision as R80 does. His speed is 50% of his game...and a half fit Kaka is useless for us. Not to mention his wages would be inordinate.

I'd take him on loan for half a season, maybe as a rotation player...see how it works out...and if it doesn't send him back. But then that could cause ill-feeling. In any case he's CL tied I think. SO you're playing huge wages for someone you can't even use properly. His being 28 has nothing to do with it. If you're injury prone..you're injury prone no matter what your age. MvB retired when he was 29.


I'd be much happier reading further about the report that said we were preparing a 35 million bid for Stevie G in the winter. Now that's a player we could use. Attacking player who comes in from deep. Total ownage. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif)
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