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post Jul 15 2021, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 15 2021, 08:49 PM) *
Man you're becoming more sentimental then me. Gone are those days. It's simply unrealistic to expect that kind of approach. The world is a much more global place right now, Italian players are more comfortable moving abroad then ever before. Kids who are deemed stars do not want to end up like local heroes but win more, everything.

Also, context is important. It wasn't that hard for Mladini to stay at Milan for his whole life to be honest: fighting for almost every of his 20+ seasons with us for a big domestic or international title. Same goes for Del Piero. Playing for Juve in the 90's and 00's wasn't that hard of a chore. Totti is another dimension, but then again Serie A was still the strongest league in the world during his era. Zanetti waited and then in the end achieved his swan song. All mentioned legends played in a different era. To be quite honest, I'm not sure Paolo Maldini would have stayed until the end with the Milan of today.

He went to the French league though. It's barely even a challenge over there.

The biggest motivation for this move is the money imo. Plus no one else wanted him. Let's be real here as no other big club needed a keeper
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post Jul 15 2021, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 15 2021, 11:18 PM) *
He went to the French league though. It's barely even a challenge over there.

The biggest motivation for this move is the money imo. Plus no one else wanted him. Let's be real here as no other big club needed a keeper

Playing for PSG is kind of an antithesis to playing for Milan. He outgrew our current mindset and ambition. If he stayed for another 3-4 years, what do you think, how many trophies would he have won? One? Maybe two or three. The next few seasons with PSG will fill his record with silverware and trophies Milan cannot guarantee. Then he'll probably move on and find his spot at Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester Utd/City or Bayern.
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post Jul 15 2021, 09:32 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 15 2021, 09:22 PM) *
Playing for PSG is kind of an antithesis to playing for Milan.


Indeed! He went from a homegrown player with the club he was always a fan of, to playing for the most plastic and unlikable club in the world. You think he signed for them because he wants to win trophies? What trophies? The only trophies PSG has ever won are national titles in a league with zero competition whatsoever, except from the sporadic Lille or Monaco every once in a blue moon.

He went for the $$$, don't fool yourselves. Why do you think his signature came so late? Because Raiola tried his hardest to place him to Juventus, Barcelona, Madrid etc. but nobody wanted him so he ended up in France, in a championship nobody gives two f*cks about.
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post Jul 15 2021, 10:24 PM
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A trophy is a trophy. We live in the world of CR breaking records, Messi breaking records. You think Messi minds winning his first Copa America under unbearable COVID19 conditions and without fans in the stands? He doesn't give a rat's ***.

Same will be with Donna. In the end, his career will count domestic French titles and other titles once he moves on. This is what counts today. The level of competitiveness will come, what now counts is to add some silverware - something that Milan hasn't done in a decade.
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post Jul 16 2021, 12:38 AM
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Sorry, but I disagree. Winning is important, yes, but it also depends where. You think winning the Portuguese league for instance has similar value to winning the Spanish league? Not really. The French league has become a joke since PSG and no top player gets great satisfaction out of winning it. They all go there for the money and the remote possibility they might win the CL.

And as for you Messi example, do not undermine the Copa America. It might not be very interesting for us here in Europe, but for South Americans it is a huge deal. And Argentina had not won it since 1993 or something. And it was Messi?s first ever international trophy with Argentina.

Back to us, the Luis Alberto rumors are becoming more persistent by the hour. Mediaset now saying we might offer Leao and Saelemaekers to lower his price.

Man, I really do not want us to sign this guy. He is incredibly overrated, and too old.
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post Jul 16 2021, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 16 2021, 02:38 AM) *
Sorry, but I disagree. Winning is important, yes, but it also depends where. You think winning the Portuguese league for instance has similar value to winning the Spanish league? Not really. The French league has become a joke since PSG and no top player gets great satisfaction out of winning it. They all go there for the money and the remote possibility they might win the CL.

And as for you Messi example, do not undermine the Copa America. It might not be very interesting for us here in Europe, but for South Americans it is a huge deal. And Argentina had not won it since 1993 or something. And it was Messi?s first ever international trophy with Argentina.

Back to us, the Luis Alberto rumors are becoming more persistent by the hour. Mediaset now saying we might offer Leao and Saelemaekers to lower his price.

Man, I really do not want us to sign this guy. He is incredibly overrated, and too old.


Saelemaekers?? What a stupid rumor that is. Luis Alberto is 28.. he's not that old. I would conceed that he maybe isn't the profile we should search for.
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post Jul 16 2021, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 16 2021, 12:38 AM) *
Sorry, but I disagree. Winning is important, yes, but it also depends where. You think winning the Portuguese league for instance has similar value to winning the Spanish league? Not really. The French league has become a joke since PSG and no top player gets great satisfaction out of winning it. They all go there for the money and the remote possibility they might win the CL.

And as for you Messi example, do not undermine the Copa America. It might not be very interesting for us here in Europe, but for South Americans it is a huge deal. And Argentina had not won it since 1993 or something. And it was Messi?s first ever international trophy with Argentina.

Back to us, the Luis Alberto rumors are becoming more persistent by the hour. Mediaset now saying we might offer Leao and Saelemaekers to lower his price.

Man, I really do not want us to sign this guy. He is incredibly overrated, and too old.

Nah man, this is mostly BS Saele isn't going anywhere. Pioli loves him.

And if Leao leaves it will most likely be outright for cash



Anyway. Updates

Giroud done: 3.5m for 2 seasons
Brahim done on the way to Milan now apparently: 2 year loan for 3m, option to buy at 22m and Real have the counter option at 27m
Ballo-Toure also done: 4m fee


Excellent work on the Brahim deal. We're basically getting him for 3 seasons for just 3m
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post Jul 16 2021, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 16 2021, 04:55 PM) *
Nah man, this is mostly BS Saele isn't going anywhere. Pioli loves him.

And if Leao leaves it will most likely be outright for cash



Anyway. Updates

Giroud done: 3.5m for 2 seasons
Brahim done on the way to Milan now apparently: 2 year loan for 3m, option to buy at 22m and Real have the counter option at 27m
Ballo-Toure also done: 4m fee


Excellent work on the Brahim deal. We're basically getting him for 3 seasons for just 3m

with1 million profit ptential in case Diaz turns out to be a top player with that counter offer clause. So in the long run might not be the best deal
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post Jul 16 2021, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jul 16 2021, 05:57 PM) *
with1 million profit ptential in case Diaz turns out to be a top player with that counter offer clause. So in the long run might not be the best deal

We still get him practically for nothing for 3 years.

For now this is the type of bridge deal that we have to compromise on to get from where we were just 2 seasons ago to where we want to be in 2-3 years' time. We'll see how it goes, Real have a lot of AMs to juggle anyway and it depends on where they are in 2 years time. Plus Brahim seems to really have integrated into the group and seems to love it here, so it also would depend on him.
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post Jul 16 2021, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Jul 16 2021, 05:57 PM) *
with1 million profit ptential in case Diaz turns out to be a top player with that counter offer clause. So in the long run might not be the best deal


Not really. You have to consider amortisation. Suppose we sign him permanently for 22M and he stays with us for 2 seasons, then Madrid sign him back. Having stayed 2 seasons with his, on a 5 year contract, his residual value would be 13,2M (22 - 22/5*2). So, the profit would be 13,8M (27-13,2). That's what ultimately goes into the profit and loss statement of that year.
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post Jul 17 2021, 10:22 PM
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Today the club is the Italian club that paid the most in transfer fees this summer to date.

Think now the club will look to off load Leao, Samu, Romagnioli of the top of my head and bring in like for like replacements.

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post Jul 18 2021, 02:45 PM
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Ballo-Toure official.

Let's recap. Thus far we have completed the following transfers:

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Maignan - 13M
Tomori - 28M
Tonali - 7M
Brahim Diaz - 3M
Giroud - 1M
Ballo Toure - 4M

OUT
Dollarumma - free agent
Capanoglu - free agent
Dalot - end of loan
Meite - end of loan
Mandzukic - end of loan
Laxalt - 3.5M
Olzer - 3M

Money spent around 56M (not counting the various bonuses), money earned 6.5M.
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post Jul 18 2021, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 16 2021, 11:44 PM) *
Not really. You have to consider amortisation. Suppose we sign him permanently for 22M and he stays with us for 2 seasons, then Madrid sign him back. Having stayed 2 seasons with his, on a 5 year contract, his residual value would be 13,2M (22 - 22/5*2). So, the profit would be 13,8M (27-13,2). That's what ultimately goes into the profit and loss statement of that year.

Excellent point. I always forget that this is actually how it works in accounting terms and not as it does on Fifa.

I think overall we've done excellent business so far this summer to improve the quality of the squad depth.

An AM, RW and an extra CDM is all we need imo to complete the squad. Maybe another RB but we could easily get someone on loan for that. Still hoping we can pull something off for Dalot

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Ballo-Toure official.

Let's recap. Thus far we have completed the following transfers:

IN
Maignan - 13M
Tomori - 28M
Tonali - 7M
Brahim Diaz - 3M
Giroud - 1M
Ballo Toure - 4M

OUT
Dollarumma - free agent
Capanoglu - free agent
Dalot - end of loan
Meite - end of loan
Mandzukic - end of loan
Laxalt - 3.5M
Olzer - 3M

Money spent around 56M (not counting the various bonuses), money earned 6.5M.

Did we get 3m for Olzer? Wasn't he part of the Tonali deal?
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QUOTE (William405 @ Jul 18 2021, 02:45 PM) *

Really good. Nice to see the club producing decent content. They should also make these types of vids in English imo.

Btw, did any of you watch the friendly yesterday? I know it was just a Serie C side but Pobega was impressive. And going by the rumours that Italiano wants him at Fiorentina now after having him at Spezia, it's clear that's he's been impressing coaches and other technical staff

So do you think we should keep him? I'd personally prefer to keep him over Krunic and give him the minutes. Krunic should really be sold this summer.
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