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Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 11 2012, 09:36 PM
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Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 11 2012, 09:40 PM
Villa Park is going to be full of Chelsea and City fans tomorrow.
Do not like. 
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 12 2012, 08:46 AM
I just hope today's game is half as interesting as last years, that was a cracker.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 12 2012, 10:56 AM
Yep, I have a feeling it will.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 12 2012, 02:03 PM
Lots of tackles flying about but pretty lacking in quality so far.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 12 2012, 02:15 PM
Torres 1-0.
It took less than 1 half for the refs to start ruining things. 
Savic should've been sent off, ref bottled it, he then sends Ivanovic off 10 seconds later. Guess we know which club has more money then eh.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 12 2012, 02:23 PM
It took less than 1 half for the refs to start ruining things.
Savic should've been sent off, ref bottled it, he then sends Ivanovic off 10 seconds later. Guess we know which club has more money then eh.
It was a really bad challenge though, harsh to give a red but not completely unjust.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 12 2012, 02:24 PM
I can see the red for Ivanovic, but to not send Savic off for that (and actually give Savic the free kick
) 10 seconds earlier is insane.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 12 2012, 02:35 PM
) 10 seconds earlier is insane.Agreed, and ironically had he made the right call to begin with it would have been a Chelsea ball, thus a moot point
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 12 2012, 02:36 PM
Indeed. Seems the Super Cups officiating has just been awful in general so far. 2 games, 2 games ruined by the fools in black.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 12 2012, 02:46 PM
Chelsea 1-1 Kevin Friend.
Yaya Toure.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 12 2012, 02:47 PM
And it begins
Posted by: han2503 Aug 12 2012, 02:49 PM
When is the Spanish Supercup btw? That will surely complete the trifecta
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 12 2012, 02:52 PM
Think it's a 2 leg thing at the end of August.
Tevez gives Kevin Friend the lead.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 12 2012, 02:58 PM
3-1 the Man City fans don't need to claim their Chelsea shirts back just yet.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 12 2012, 03:14 PM
In about two weeks, Friday or Thursday I think.
Posted by: Zed.D Aug 14 2012, 10:23 AM
LOOL
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 14 2012, 05:10 PM
Sunderland linked with Emile Heskey and have apparently had a £14m bid accepted for Steven Fletcher. It's times like this I am glad he's nowhere near this club anymore. The man has no idea how to spend money.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 14 2012, 05:57 PM
Nah, you need Houllier back - what a inspiration
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 14 2012, 06:04 PM
Why on earth would someone pay that much for Fletcher.
Houllier isn't one of my favorites anyway, but he as well isn't that bad either.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 14 2012, 11:44 PM
To be fair, Houllier bought Darren Bent, arguably one of our best ever signings. I don't think it helped he took over in September and fell ill a number of times. It's certainly the best passing football I've ever seen at VP. We played United off the park with a bunch of teenagers.
Houllier isn't one of my favorites anyway, but he as well isn't that bad either.
Fletcher is goodand would do better at a bigger club, but that's silly money. When you consider we signed Bent for £18m and other top players go in the low £20ms.
I think Houllier isn't as bad as some say. His involvement in the French team helped them to their 1998 and 2000 success and he lead Liverpool to 2nd with a crap team.!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 15 2012, 01:28 PM
Villa play Tranmere in the League Cup. I think the 93/94 semi-final between us has to be the best 2-legged Cup game I've ever seen.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 15 2012, 07:29 PM
Man United have signed Van Persie.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 15 2012, 07:34 PM
And there you have it. 
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 15 2012, 07:37 PM
Good thing he didn't go to Juventus.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 15 2012, 07:40 PM
Arsenal stand by him for 5 years of mediocrity and injuries. After a good 18 months he demands to leave and goes to their rivals. What a guy.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 15 2012, 07:46 PM
+1. If you must leave, at least leave to non english team.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 16 2012, 02:38 AM
Muamba retires after medical advice. I read on one site "how can there be any disappointment in this?" and they're right. He's very lucky to be alive and I'm sure he has a decent amount of cash.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 16 2012, 04:30 AM
I wonder how Ferguson will fit in Kagawa and Van Persie, knowing they also have Rooney.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised when Van Persie ends up a flop.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 16 2012, 05:01 PM
Valencia, Nani, Young, Kagawa, Rooney, Welbeck, Van Persie, Hernandez. Not sure how he's going to keep them all happy.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 16 2012, 05:04 PM
But is cash the reason he took up football? Not likely.
Imagine if someone told a singer, that if you sing again you risk dying, so give it up. And in return they give you whatever money was owed to you from the record deal.
Would be difficult nonetheless. Coz you're being asked to choose between your dreams and your life. While it's accepted that the whole point behind life is that you get to chase your dream.
Now poor Fabrice needs to start from scratch. Maybe find a new vocation. Maybe he can be lucky and stay with football, as an administrator or a media expert or even a coach.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 16 2012, 05:07 PM
But he's alive. I don't see how he or anyone could be disappointed with this.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 16 2012, 05:08 PM
He's disappointed, coz he had to give up the one activity which he loved the most in the world.
Is he relieved that he recovered from the cardiac seizure, of course.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 16 2012, 05:10 PM
Fortunately I do think he'll stay involved somehow. Obviously he can't coach, but I am positive he'll remained in football. Hopefully anyway.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 16 2012, 05:22 PM
I read his heart was not functioning for over an hour, and that a little less than an hour attempts to made it work again were failing. It's amazing he is still alive. I wonder if in many different situations a person would have been given up already after so long. Playing professional football is very intense, so of course he should retire. I am with Kurt 100% on here. After going through this, you can't expect more, and be very grateful.
Agreed. So many strikers, and you didn't even mention Berbatov. Though, he might leave.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 16 2012, 05:42 PM
It seems like a good opportunity to go after Berba for peanuts.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 16 2012, 05:48 PM
I really hope we do. No one can make up for Ibrahimovic his departure, but Berbatov would a lot more than pretty much anyone else, especially than those who we have been linked with.
Milan need a new striker badly. Except for Pato, all we have left are supporting strikers, really. Besides that, Berbatov would be a quality player, which we are very thin in at the moment.
What also is nice about Berbatov is his physical presense (strength), which will be useful against most sides.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 16 2012, 05:51 PM
But Allegri might not like him coz he's not a runner.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 16 2012, 05:52 PM
/ or because he is good with the ball on his foot
but yeah, he likes runners so much, nothing else seem to matter
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 16 2012, 06:23 PM
Indeed. No link between Berba and Milan up till now.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 16 2012, 07:17 PM
I'd like Berba. I used to question his attitude, but SAF was full of praise for him last season after being played so little he never complained and understood his bench role.
Posted by: Danny Aug 17 2012, 02:25 PM
I find the RVP situation laughable. He played well in the EPL for one season, very well, and suddenly SAF thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread despite having made zero impact in the CL for Arsenal or indeed for his country. At age 29 he's only got about 20 caps for the Netherlands.
The guy hit his peak last year, and then flopped hugely at the Euros.
Arsenal might be a little misguided in being gutted at losing him - yeah, he was their best player, but that's a damning indictment of how much Arsenal have slid in the past few years.
I think Carlos Tevez and Sergio Aguero are much, much better strikers than RVP. I'd say he's on a par with Rooney who is a mite over rated as well.
Posted by: Danny Aug 17 2012, 02:25 PM
Helluva pricey substitute!
Posted by: Danny Aug 17 2012, 02:27 PM
Milan need a new striker badly. Except for Pato, all we have left are supporting strikers, really. Besides that, Berbatov would be a quality player, which we are very thin in at the moment.
What also is nice about Berbatov is his physical presense (strength), which will be useful against most sides.
I feel Berba was a big fish in a smaller pond at Spurs, but didn't make the transition to big team as his price tag hinted he would.
He's a good player, a very good player, but he is very limited in what he can do on the pitch. He's not mobile, has no pace, and isn't very strong for a big guy.
What he does have is excellent positional sense and a clinical eye for goal. Also has good vision.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 17 2012, 03:00 PM
Van Persie has always had real quality, that's never been in doubt. The real question mark over him is his proneness to injury to be honest.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 17 2012, 03:09 PM
...and the fact that he's a complete pr!ck. Has been since his Feyenoord days.
I hate him. How could he do that?!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 17 2012, 03:53 PM
I'm beginning to think players are signed too early in their lives. Most of them are signed up to the big clubs in their country at 14 or so, they have a lot of growing up to do still at that point that they never really do. Then they don't care about school anymore, they just want to play football.
It's no surprise that 99% of footballers are idiots with no morales. In comparison to adults, most of us are at 14 and these guys just don't grow up.
Posted by: Danny Aug 17 2012, 04:17 PM
You're right, it's never been in doubt. But it should have been! Even I bought into it. Then I watched his pathetic displays for his country this summer and realised he's really not that terrific after all.
btw, God knows where I got the 20 cap figure for Netherlands from, closer to 70.
btw, I consider KJH a better player than RVP.
Posted by: Danny Aug 17 2012, 04:19 PM
I hate him. How could he do that?!
I dunno. Ask Ashley Cole. Ask Sol Campbell. Ask Wayne Rooney.
They all do it.
It's all about money and trophies and hee haw about loyalty.
I do hope it goes sour for him.
Posted by: Danny Aug 17 2012, 04:21 PM
"It's just uncertain elements that we had a different view on. That's life. No-one is angry at me and I'm not angry at them," he said.
"It is always difficult to find the perfect match but I feel this is the perfect match.
"Manchester United breathes football. If you look at all the players from Manchester United, the stadium, the manager - my choice was made very soon in my mind."
Have to say he comes across as a grade-A c*nt and traitor from this.
Not a positive word to say about Arsenal, and suddenly the sun shines out the backside of one of their biggest rivals.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 17 2012, 04:30 PM
And he is.
Many a times better. Nevertheless RVP starts and plays ahead of him in the NT always.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 17 2012, 04:30 PM
They all do it.
It's all about money and trophies and hee haw about loyalty.
I do hope it goes sour for him.
They're all pissers. At least Wayne could say he was making a step up.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 17 2012, 04:46 PM
They all do it.
It's all about money and trophies and hee haw about loyalty.
I do hope it goes sour for him.
In defense of Ashley Cole, loyalty works both ways. He was on a relatively small deal at Arsenal and wanted a new contract. Wenger and the club promised him he'd be offered a new deal at the end of the year to match the highest earners at the club. They then offered him a £55k a week contract which was quite clearly below his worth and far less than others were getting. Arsenal lied to him so it's understandable he would leave.
Campbell is the worst of the lot. Saying you'll sign a new deal, then leaving on a free to the clubs biggest rivals. Just sad.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 18 2012, 05:22 AM
Loving Birmingham's new kits. 
Posted by: William405 Aug 18 2012, 08:40 AM
NVM
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 18 2012, 01:37 PM
NVM?
My god, every season one team decides for the pink shirts...and well...ends up this way. Looks like they're ready for a Pride festival.
Posted by: William405 Aug 18 2012, 02:15 PM
My god, every season one team decides for the pink shirts...and well...ends up this way. Looks like they're ready for a Pride festival.
Nevermind!:P
I wanted to post something..then I noticed I was replying to something a few pages back.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 18 2012, 02:22 PM
Agreed.
I don't mind pink that's graceful, this shade of pink is downright embarrassing!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 18 2012, 04:55 PM
Villa lose 1-0. Offside flag went up but ref overturned it. Will be very pissed off if he got thy wrong. We made over 250 complete passes first half, probably more than the entirety of last season!
Liverpool, QPR and Norwhich all got battered.
Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 18 2012, 05:18 PM
arsenal 0-0 against sunderland... i hope spurs-newcastle will be better
Posted by: Danny Aug 18 2012, 05:33 PM
Stunning start for the Rodgers revolution.
Liverpool will never return to the days of glory.
The Manchester clubs are so far ahead of them it's untrue.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 18 2012, 05:34 PM
Yep. It's a two horse race all the way.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 18 2012, 05:38 PM
Look at Liverpool's squad. They have simply so much less quality than Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham Hotspur and especially Manchester City.
You can't expect Liverpool to compete with that squad.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 18 2012, 06:37 PM
You can't expect Liverpool to compete with that squad.
Even Arsenal looked very average to me out there. And without RVP to save their @sses I simply can't see where the goals will be coming from this season...
Anyone know when Jack will be back?
Now that's a real star, someone who could make them look infinately better
Posted by: Danny Aug 18 2012, 08:25 PM
I should be more precise; as Fillipo said, the EPL is a 2 horse race. Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs and Newcastle will never get close to them. Only Chelsea stand a chance, but it's only a chance.
Arsenal have been in terminal decline for half a decade, with their biggest assets realising that under their current regime they will never grow, hence they all depart. Now they struggle to draw at home with Sunderland. I don't know why they just won't spend big, but they won't. Song on his way out as well.
Liverpool have been in deterioration for decades. Since the great 80s. They desperately yearn to be the old Liverpool, but that club's great history is behind it and apart from 2 CL finals including one win, they just can't get close to where they were. Mainly because Utd overtook them as have other clubs.
Newcastle aren't at the level of Keegan's 90s side, but they're solid. They've recovered fantastically from relegation and are a solid top 6 team, but I can't see anything beyond that for them.
Chelsea have bought a couple of top players, Hazard and Oscar, but without a genuine in form world class striker they won't be able to compete consistently. They are the closest to breaching the top 2 but I think they're still some way off it.
And Spurs - well they've appointed a terrible manager who doesn't understand English football - they've had to sell their best player to a club who'll rarely play him, and now their prize assets are the aging RVV and Bale. They got off to a woeful start today - didn't look great at all. They peaked under 'Arry but this season will be awful for them.
Posted by: Danny Aug 18 2012, 08:27 PM
Even then - RVP only really bloomed last season. Prior to it he was regarded as one of the better players in England and Arsenal's best striker - but last season he peaked, got his big move, and now will struggle at Man U to recreate that form.
But without last season's RVP and as it appears, Song, Arsenal are going backwards.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 18 2012, 08:49 PM
So great start for the Toon. Genuine European competition we just beat. Anyone saw the match? How did we look?
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 18 2012, 08:49 PM
So Petrić scored twice and also made an assist in his Premier League debut. Could be a good deal for Fulham.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 18 2012, 08:50 PM
We?? We???? We = Milan, no one else can be "we" Capt'n!!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 18 2012, 08:54 PM
I have split personality. One of me is Geordie.
Posted by: Danny Aug 18 2012, 10:07 PM
Decent. I saw it, and you were pretty solid. Defence seemed smart (the pass back from Taylor to Krul was outstanding) and you took your chances. But it was NEVER a penalty. Arfa I think it was was already falling and then got felled in the box. Fortuitous at best.
Still, I'd take it if it was for my side.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 18 2012, 10:29 PM
So what is going on at Nottingham Forrest? Any of you guys a regular FL Championship follower?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 18 2012, 11:48 PM
Still, I'd take it if it was for my side.
I think it was a penalty personally. As for defending, it was very good, though what Danny Simpson was doing for the goal I'll never know, why did he leave Lennon in acres of space like that?
Gera with goal of the day. Michu, Petric with very good debuts.
Posted by: Danny Aug 19 2012, 11:08 AM
Hence TV replays will never work. Two people disagree having seen it in replay.
Gera with goal of the day. Michu, Petric with very good debuts.
Alan Shearer in 'let's find something to praise AVB with' shocker. He opted to choose the notion of Spurs pressing opposition up the pitch. I have to say it's hardly rocket science to pressure opponents! If you win it's great, but you're more likely to lose given the amount of work it takes.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 19 2012, 01:38 PM
Chelsea 2-0 up in 6 minutes.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 19 2012, 02:25 PM
Great stuff from Hazard on the first goal. He looks good.
Chelsea's defence is a mess though. I don't know who's the real problem though, Terry or Luiz. Terry is not even half the player he was a few years ago, while Luiz is too irratic. I'd personally play him as a DM, I think Chelsea would get a lot more out of him there, he's not very trusth worthy as a defender imo
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 19 2012, 02:30 PM
He's nowhere near disciplined enough to play DM. I don't know where he fits in really.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 19 2012, 03:33 PM
I think Luiz is one of the best CB's in the world, at least from what I saw from him in Chelsea's CL games against Benfica, Barcelona and Bayern.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 19 2012, 03:37 PM
He's surely not 'one of the best CB's in the world' IMO. Too unstable. Can be great in one game but can make really stupid mistakes in another.
I wouldn't say it's a two horse race just yet. I think Chelsea can pose a threat to Manchester teams.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 19 2012, 03:52 PM
Yeah, pretty much. He isn't even a great CB, just a pretty good one, when he wants to be. There's a reason why he's mostly benched in Brazil NT games. Far too inconsistent and prone to mistakes.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 19 2012, 04:43 PM
City get a cheap penalty.
Southampton player gets taken out in the box, nothing given.
Tevez offside, goal allowed.
Amazing how quickly this happens.
Posted by: Danny Aug 19 2012, 05:16 PM
We disagree on much but I'm going to go out on a limb and back you up here.
I rate Luiz highly - reason he can't get a game for Brazil is they have Alves, Lucio, Juan, Silva and Marcelo at the back!
He makes errors - but all defenders do. He is also magnificently gifted with the ball, looks like he has more time than he really has, and is a goal threat.
Very good player.
Posted by: Danny Aug 19 2012, 05:17 PM
Did you SEE 'the world's best defender' in the Olympics? Silva was quite, quite shite! Especially in the final. Some horrible errors.
AKA even the best can have off days.
Although I say Kompany is the world's best now.
Posted by: Danny Aug 19 2012, 05:18 PM
Terry - as you clearly say, he's not what he was. The damage he's taken to his personal life and the court appearances and the racism charge.
Not what he once was and never will be again.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 19 2012, 05:22 PM
No one is perfect but Silva's bad days are rare, surely compared to Luiz. Like acid said - too inconsistent to be called world's best. Maybe if he can have more stable EPL season...
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 19 2012, 05:32 PM
He isn't even a great CB, just a pretty good one, when he wants to be. There's a reason why he's mostly benched in Brazil NT games. Far too inconsistent and prone to mistakes.You criticize Menezes for almost everything but back him up for this? Now now, acid...
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 19 2012, 05:35 PM
Oh look Lambert is doing it in the Premiership now against Man City. Guess the doubters are getting pushed back - AGAIN.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 19 2012, 06:33 PM
Lambert who?
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 19 2012, 06:57 PM
A guy who has scored in every league, pretty much since he was at Bristol Rovers in League 2 people have been saying he's not good enough each time he has made the step up. In each league he has now scored (league 2 & up), to score against $iteh moments after coming off the bench just puts the icing on the cake.
Not saying he's going to be a sure fire success in the league just yet but not a bad way to start, for someone who wouldn't be able to do it in League 1 for Southampton a few years ago!
Posted by: acid911 Aug 19 2012, 07:17 PM
Say, what?!
That's probably ZD, not me. I've always liked and supported Mano Menezes, ever since he took the job. And my respect grew when he offered and played Ronaldo (R99) in a farewell match. He may not be the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to coaching football teams, but he's pretty alright.A country mile (or two) better than the travesty that was Dunga. Sure I'd like it if Menezes always started Pato. But while Brazil NT is still only national team I follow, let it not be said that I criticize the coach.
I've seen far worse people at the helm with ego issues. Mano is a saint when compared to them.He benches Luiz? Great. He doesn't start Pato in every match? Not great. But overall, he's an okay guy.
Posted by: Danny Aug 19 2012, 07:53 PM
btw I effin' love the Brazil national side.
Cesar, Oscar, Hulk, Neymar, Pato, Sandro, Lucio, Alves, Silva, Juan, Luiz, Romulo, Ramires, Lucas, Damiao.
Yum yum.
God knows what happened in the final in London.
Posted by: Danny Aug 19 2012, 07:55 PM
Not saying he's going to be a sure fire success in the league just yet but not a bad way to start, for someone who wouldn't be able to do it in League 1 for Southampton a few years ago!
Speaking of that match there was an outcry on my Twitter TL when an ex-Pat Rangers fan wished spinal injury on ex Rangers midfielder Steven Davis.
Let's just say I unfollowed him.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 19 2012, 07:56 PM
Over £500m spent, you'd think City could put together some players who can actually defend.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 19 2012, 07:56 PM
Not saying he's going to be a sure fire success in the league just yet but not a bad way to start, for someone who wouldn't be able to do it in League 1 for Southampton a few years ago!
Oh, I see. Thanks for clarifying the story. Now that you brought it to my mind, I'll pay more attention regarding Lambert. I like those against all odds/critics guys.
That's probably ZD, not me. I've always liked and supported Mano Menezes, ever since he took the job. And my respect grew when he offered and played Ronaldo (R99) in a farewell match. He may not be the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to coaching football teams, but he's pretty alright.A country mile (or two) better than the travesty that was Dunga. Sure I'd like it if Menezes always started Pato. But while Brazil NT is still only national team I follow, let it not be said that I criticize the coach.
I've seen far worse people at the helm with ego issues. Mano is a saint when compared to them.He benches Luiz? Great. He doesn't start Pato in every match? Not great. But overall, he's an okay guy.
Couldn't agree with you more on all accounts. I've heard that Brazil could sack Menezes and bring back Felipao. Would sure be a step closer to the good times.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 19 2012, 10:26 PM
Aguero gonna miss about 6 month? Big blow for City if so.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 19 2012, 10:31 PM
Injury?
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 19 2012, 10:36 PM
Yep. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUnGo09T8Js
He won't return till at least 2013 according to some reports.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 19 2012, 10:50 PM
Good thing they didn't sell Tevez then.
Posted by: acid911 Aug 20 2012, 07:17 AM
Very true.
Big Phil would be a step in the right direction, he is a man for the tournaments, just like Carlo Ancelotti. Although I am pretty sure the Brazil of 2002 isn't returning anytime soon, I agree it could be a step closer to success, come the World Cup 2014.But the thing with good, humble and down-to-earth coaches is that they always have my support. An arrogant (successful or not) football coach can fend for himself, every which way they can.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 20 2012, 06:27 PM
Be interested to see RVP & Kagawa tonight if they play.
Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 20 2012, 06:43 PM
Both are expected to start.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 20 2012, 07:05 PM
RVP is on the bench I hear. Kagawa starts.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 20 2012, 07:05 PM
Valencia - Vidic - Carrick - Evra
Cleverly - Scholes
Kagawa
Nani - Welbeck - Rooney
That defense.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 20 2012, 07:07 PM
and they keep getting attacking players.
Why the hell would they need Kaka in this side?
Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 20 2012, 07:32 PM
That's some ugly defence
I think Kaka to United is a spin. They really don't need him and he wants a starting role.
Posted by: Danny Aug 21 2012, 02:15 PM
Well deserved win for Everton, the dream team of Rooney and RVP never got a sniff.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 21 2012, 02:41 PM
I don't wish injuries or a short career to RvP or any such backstabbers. In fact I wish for them to have a long career with their chosen team, where they proceed to win squat.
Posted by: Danny Aug 21 2012, 03:43 PM
His departure really was ignominious. Didn't even apologise to Arsenal fans or say a single positive word about his entire period there. It was 'no hard feelings' and f*ck you basically.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 21 2012, 07:51 PM
Haha. But knowing Sir Alex, it's unlike.
On the other hand, Everton looked very good yesterday. Really impressed me.
Posted by: arivanjj Aug 22 2012, 05:05 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9489131/Andersons-name-spelled-Andesron-as-he-comes-on-for-Manchester-United-during-1-0-defeat-to-Everton.html
haha stupid~
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 22 2012, 11:49 AM
Haha
This is really funny. I wonder if Milan made some errors in the past.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 25 2012, 12:42 AM
Only other time I remember it was to Beckham when he was at United.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 25 2012, 03:50 PM
Can we have a new keeper please? Awful all pre-season, but that was pre-season. He let 1 in from range and ****** up for the 2nd.
3-0 down at half time at home is not acceptable. Doesn't matter how bad Milan are, I always have Villa. Thank **** I didn't get a season ticket.
Now we're down to 10 men. Paul Lambert, welcome to Villa Park.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 25 2012, 05:12 PM
OUCH!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 25 2012, 05:17 PM
How is United doing?
Posted by: han2503 Aug 25 2012, 05:50 PM
How is United doing?
Barely scraped a win today.
RVP with an amazing goal though
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 25 2012, 05:52 PM
Hazard pen, 1-0.
WHERE ARE YOU NOW THEY'RE LOSING JACK!?
Posted by: William405 Aug 25 2012, 06:18 PM
WHERE ARE YOU NOW THEY'RE LOSING JACK!?
Make that 2-0
Where are you JACK??
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 25 2012, 10:08 PM
Sorry...was busy. So what? We lost by two goals to Chelsea away??
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 25 2012, 10:17 PM
That's a 4 goals swing from last season.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 26 2012, 08:33 AM
Yes...but if we had lost to Spurs, we would have won this one. We don't have the stamina to sock two top teams in a row.
Posted by: William405 Aug 26 2012, 04:34 PM
1-0 TO Liverpool!
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 26 2012, 04:39 PM
Can't they both get 0 points.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 27 2012, 04:14 AM
Raheem Sterling looks a handy player. Still only 17.
And I think Suarez has to be the worst finisher I've seen since he's joined Liverpool. He should've scored about 7 so far this season.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 31 2012, 06:53 PM
What is AVB trying to do to Spurs? Jesus christ.
Posted by: amancik Aug 31 2012, 07:03 PM
What are you implying?
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Aug 31 2012, 07:12 PM
He's just taking out the core members of the squad it seems (possibly the ones who will cause him problems) fair enough about Modric but some of his other decisions are beyond funny.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 31 2012, 07:48 PM
£22m for Joao Moutinho has to be one of the worst deals ever. He's a bit of a nothing player, doesn't excel in creating or ball winning, doesn't have a great engine. Madness.
Dempsey wanted to play in the CL so rejected Villa. Now wants to go to Liverpool, who aren't in the CL.
Think Dempsey and Liverpool would be a good fit. Inflated sense of self worth, neither half as good as they think.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 31 2012, 09:59 PM
Oh dear.
Dempsey wanted CL football - no CL club wanted him.
Dempsey wanted Liverpool - they didn't value him at more than £4m
So he's ended up at Spurs.
City paid £3m for Maicon!? WTF!?
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 31 2012, 10:33 PM
Is this a joke?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 31 2012, 10:52 PM
Maicon? Nope. £3m.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 31 2012, 10:59 PM
How on earth did they achieve this? Why wasn't Madrid after him?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 12:20 AM
Crazy isn't it. I thought Mourinho would get him since Arebloa isn't exactly World class.
Essien on loan to Madrid for the season was a surprise.
Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2012, 01:04 AM
Say what? When did that happen?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 01:25 AM
Right near the 11pm deadline.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2012, 01:27 AM
Isn't that a pretty pointless signing (Essien to Madrid)?
I always saw Maicon at Madrid with Mourinho, especially for that prize.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 09:30 AM
Wish we'd gone for Essien...
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Sep 1 2012, 09:33 AM
He hasn't looked the same player since those injuries to be honest.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2012, 10:40 AM
...so that we could reinforce our permanently injured players group?
Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 11:39 AM
Yeah I agree, he hasn't been the same since his injuries. But still a really good player. Better than a waste of space like that Traore dude
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 05:37 PM
Watford have 10 players on loan from Udinese due to same ownership. How is that allowed?
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2012, 07:25 PM
Posted by: dst Sep 2 2012, 01:26 AM
Why wouldn't it be allowed?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 2 2012, 01:52 AM
I was under the impression you weren't allowed to have a stake in more than 1 club as it can result in a conflict of interests and can be almost 'unfair' to other clubs. In this instance a Championship team basically has an entire outfield team from a Champions League club.
Not that it matters, they lost 5-1 to Derby.
Posted by: dst Sep 2 2012, 02:19 AM
It seems they also have two players on loan from Granada, another team owned by Pozzo.
I don't see the problem though. Even if Udinese were loaning Watford any good players, what would be the issue? I mean... if they're good, Watford get stronger but Udinese are weakened so you can't blame the owner for anything.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Sep 2 2012, 05:51 PM
RVP keeps scoring.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 2 2012, 05:53 PM
No one better at comebacks than United. Poor Southampton, the exact same thing happened to them vs City too.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 2 2012, 06:16 PM
It's amazing how they keep doing it.
Villa 1-1 at Newcastle. Papis who?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 15 2012, 03:04 PM
Anton Ferdinand refuses to shake hands with Terry AND Ashley Cole, Rio says he will do the same as they feel 'betrayed' he defended Terry in court. Since when was this a race war? Terry was found innocent to boot.
Posted by: han2503 Sep 15 2012, 03:24 PM
Why is Cole involved?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 15 2012, 03:58 PM
He felt Terry was innocent and defended him in court.
To be honest, Cole was standing next to Terry as he supposedly racially abused Anton. Cole is black and would've taken offense to it if it had been said. Cole said he heard nothng (as did Ferdinand at the time, funny how his story changed). Terry was found innocent and the Ferdinands felt Cole betrayed 'them'. They're making it a black vs white thing when there's no need to.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 15 2012, 04:56 PM
13 shots on target, 10 corners, 2 goals - That's more than we managed in the whole of last season!
Debut goal from Christian Benteke, Belgium have some pretty handy players about nowadays.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 15 2012, 05:57 PM
Given's never getting back in the side based on what I've seen this season. What a save.
EDIT: Just saw David Luiz then refused to shake hands with Ferdinand, don't blame him.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 22 2012, 04:51 PM
2nd half is the worst I have ever seen Villa play in my life. 45 minutes of the worst defending imaginable.
Ricky Lambert is a big guy who's played in the lower leagues. You'd think he wasn't just a less talented, English, Suarez. My God I thought he was actually going to cry.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 22 2012, 06:55 PM
75 mins gone, Birmingham 0-5 Barnsley.
No matter how bad we are..
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Sep 22 2012, 07:24 PM
They will be in League One soon.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 23 2012, 06:14 PM
The ref must have been a United fan. Ruined the game and gave them the win.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 23 2012, 07:45 PM
Penalty was a poor decision. Liverpool fans thinking the van Persie 'foul' should've been a red card. It wasn't even a foul.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 23 2012, 08:12 PM
Poor? it was 100% moronic mistake. The red card was harsh too, a yellow would have been enough IMO.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 23 2012, 08:16 PM
Nah was a definite red, was a possible leg-breaker. Even Shelvey came out after the game and apologised for it.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 23 2012, 08:25 PM
They both went with legs forward for the ball: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Hft2r6zR8 I think it's questionable.
But even if so, Liverpool fans have enough stuff to whine about. He gifted United the win with taht bogus penalty and every 50-50 call went United's way.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 23 2012, 08:42 PM
RvP got a yellow for doing nothing, so I wouldn't say every call. But he got a big decision wrong in their favour.
Posted by: Danny Sep 23 2012, 10:25 PM
John Terry retires from England.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 23 2012, 10:55 PM
Basically forced into it by his comments it seems. If that means Ferdinand will play for England again it's a double blow.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Sep 23 2012, 11:01 PM
If you watched Liverpool a lot or had a national TV service insistent on showing them constantly, you'd realise just how many decisions on a weekly basis Liverpool get, thus I don't feel sorry for them one bit.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 24 2012, 12:54 AM
Well, I don't watch them regularly and I don't really care about Liverpool. But that just shows something about your refs, though I really doubt United are getting a lot of calls against them.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Sep 24 2012, 09:49 AM
Ah yeah, no one is saying our refs are good, this current crop is as bad if not worse than the replacement NFL officials in their respective sports.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 25 2012, 10:33 PM
Finally a positive in football.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 27 2012, 03:32 PM
Terry found guilty of racism by the FA, despite being cleared by the police.
Seems JT did the right thing retiring from International football. He basically said the FA are on a witch hunt against him and he was right. Since when did the FA know better than the courts?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 27 2012, 08:48 PM
Just when you thought that the Newcastle board had wisened up, they go and hand out an 8 year contract to Alan Pardew!!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 27 2012, 10:24 PM
8 years is really silly. Great for Pardew though, imagine the payoff he'd get if they tried to sack him within the next 4/5 years!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 28 2012, 09:02 AM
Precisely. I hope the contract says with Newcastle and not as Newcastle manager. But I think the 'affection' would be enough for him to resign and not stay on.
I also think considering he had another 2 years on his contract an extension till 2018 would have been enough.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 28 2012, 04:09 PM
Yep.
Though I'm sure there's things in the deal that aren't public. Probably a performance clause of sorts so if he was to have a disaster of a season, it's considered a 'breach of contract' type thing.
Posted by: William405 Sep 29 2012, 04:40 PM
And Dem Ba scores with his hand!Reading 2-2 Newcastle
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 29 2012, 04:42 PM
Actually, it's Demba Ba, not Dem Ba
Posted by: arivanjj Sep 29 2012, 04:48 PM
what a coincidence. this guy popped out of nowhere and scored a header against me in fifa today and i noticed how different his name was! haha
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Sep 29 2012, 04:49 PM
Good week to have Suarez as captain and have Ba as the other main striker for Fantasy reasons.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 29 2012, 07:50 PM
Today strengthens my opinion of the above.
Terry was outstanding against Arsenal, Ferdinand had a total nightmare against Spurs.
Posted by: William405 Sep 29 2012, 07:53 PM
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 30 2012, 01:12 AM
Well, it happens to the best
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 5 2012, 07:49 AM
In the last 300 minutes Carragher has been on the field, Liverpool have conceeded 10 goals.
3 vs Udinese (90 minutes)
1 vs Norwich (17 minutes)
1 vs West Brom (90 minutes)
1 vs Man United (11 minutes)
3 vs Young Boys (90 minutes)
1 vs Hearts (conceeded with 5 minutes to go)
So from the Hearts goal to the end of the Udinese game, it's pretty much bang on 300 minutes and that's 10 goals. Liverpool need to let go, he's been finished for years. It's not like these teams are any good aside from United. Even West Brom was a Cup game when they fielded a hugely weakeneded team.
A goal every 30 minutes is amazing really. Their record without him is actually pretty solid.
Posted by: acid911 Oct 5 2012, 09:51 AM
Sure does.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Oct 7 2012, 04:18 PM
Evra with a header
How bad is your defending Newcastle.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 7 2012, 04:30 PM
Not as bad as ours.
Posted by: William405 Oct 7 2012, 06:08 PM
How bad is your defending Newcastle.
To be fair..their best center backs are injured.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 7 2012, 06:35 PM
Thank you. :/
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 11 2012, 07:17 AM
The Premier League champions' development executive says there will be no repeat of their previous lavish spending, but there is still room for "exceptional" players
Patrick Vieira insists Uefa's Financial Fair Play rules will not prevent Manchester City from trying to sign “exceptional” players like Radamel Falcao.
The City development executive said there will be no repeat of the lavish spending of the last three years as the club concentrate on producing “the majority” of their own first-teamers.
But Vieira explained that there will still be room for the Premier League champions to sign marquee players.
City have been strongly linked with Falcao this week after manager Roberto Mancini travelled to the Spanish capital to watch the striker in action for Atletico Madrid last Sunday.
Asked by Goal.com about Falcao, former City and Arsenal midfielder Vieira said: “That is the manager's call, you never know, but our philosophy will be to try to bring in young players from the academy.
“Clubs like us, United, Chelsea and Arsenal will always try and bring in one exceptional player because that is the way it is, but the majority we want to come from the academy. We are talking about a project over the next 10-15 years.”
Atletico president Enrique Cerezo has opened the floodgates for an approach for Falcao by claiming the club would have no option but to sell their prize asset if the Colombian’s €60million buy-out clause is met.
Vieira explained that City’s future strategy will differ from the one which saw vast sums spent on transforming the club into Premier League champions following Abu Dhabi’s 2008 takeover.
Speaking at the launch of the 'PASS' education scheme, Vieira said: “As a club we want to produce our own players rather than buy them in in their 20s. This is the future, partly because of FFP, partly because it is good for fans to identify with boys from the academy.
“We have a vision, a plan. In the next few years we want to bring in our young players from the academy. In the last three years we wanted to build a club quick so we could challenge United, Arsenal and Chelsea. We had to buy the best in the market. Now we go to the second phase where we want to use our academy, which is why we are building one of the best in the world.”
Vieira said the key is for City to develop home-grown talent from the age of eight as well as prising the best youngsters from abroad before they sign professional contracts.
One recent example is Jose Angel Pozo, the highly-rated young striker who joined from Real Madrid on his 16th birthday in March.
“He is 16 and came on yesterday [Tuesday] in the Under-21 league, so that says everything about how good he is. I believe that comes from coaching from grass roots up. It is not because he has been at City for a few months that we have made him the player he is now.
“We helped him to develop but from the age of eight or nine years old there has been a better programme than the one there is in the UK.
“There is a difference today between a young 16-year-old from Spain or France or Holland and the England one. The difference can be tactics, technique or the understanding of the game.”
Vieira said City’s challenge is to develop the best youngsters into first-team players.
“I spend every Wednesday evening when I am not travelling at the academy with the eight to 12-year-olds. I can tell you there is talent and a lot of talent.
“If you have a group of 20 really talented players at that age, if you don't get five involved in the first team that means we have done something wrong and not coached them the way we were supposed to. Does that mean our system is not good?
“When you have a good nine-year-old, you have to improve that talent year after year. You get to the point where he is not good enough, you have to ask how come you lost him. It means there must be something wrong in our system.
“As a football club you want to develop players [rather than the FA do it]. You have the players from eight to 16 so you know what you need to improve, but the big problem in this country is we have been losing a lot of players from the age of 18-21 because the games programme was not good enough.
“That is how you lost so many players. At that age the only big games are at international level but you do not play enough of those to be challenged or try to improve, because that is the best way to see where you are. Having the Under-21 league is making things more positive for the English game.”
Patrick Vieira on FFP and City's new policy to meet its regulations. ie focus on homegrown players.
Suddenly Galliani isn't so blinded
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 11 2012, 08:24 AM
FFP was never about stopping big clubs. It was about making sure other clubs didn't challenge them.
It's impossible to punish the super rich clubs anyway. What're they going to do, not give Man City CL money because they overspent? Oh well, they'll just take another £50m out of their owners purse instead.
The above from Vieira just suggests big clubs will start poaching talent even moreso, giving other clubs less chance of keeping/developing thier own.
Platini/UEFA are doing a great job of killing football.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 11 2012, 08:45 AM
I see it differently, and don't believe FFP is aimed to make other clubs suffer. As Milan is a prime example of this, and Milan is considered one of the biggest in Europe in terms of the trophies that Milan bolsters.
Well the issue about withholding European prize money from Malaga and the sorts is only for the initial stages. By 2015, clubs that do not meet FFP guidelines will not participate in European competitions such as CL and EL.
So yes City can spend 50MM from their owners, but they wont be admitted to play in Europe.
Platini/UEFA are doing a great job of killing football.
Well, Arsenal, United, Chelsea, and the likes have been doing this for years now. poaching talent. Not something new, but what Vieira was ultimately pointing towards is that City will focus more on the youth development than on purchasing established players.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 11 2012, 09:09 AM
Milan had 80m worth of players to sell and despite not owning their own stadium, I'd wager the revenue of the club is still bigger than all but possibly 3 teams in the EPL and top 2 teams in Spain. How can mid-table teams ever improve?
I still think the best way for clubs to move on is get a new owner and spend silly amounts of money. Because FFP makes it near impossible to improve otherwise, it just guarantees you can't spend anything like what the teams you're aiming to catch are and if you do? No proze money or CL for you!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 11 2012, 09:17 AM
I still think the best way for clubs to move on is get a new owner and spend silly amounts of money. Because FFP makes it near impossible to improve otherwise, it just guarantees you can't spend anything like what the teams you're aiming to catch are and if you do? No proze money or CL for you!
Actually the revenue alone does not dictate anything. The expenses do. Contrast the expenses of the clubs with the expenses of Milan and you will get a better picture.
Gate receipts will be doubtless much higher for even Everton than Milan.
And as for your new owner spending silly money..there's 'theoretically' no stopping that.
If I had 10 billion euros with nothing to spend it on (like Abramovich), I'd buy Milan...find a new spot, build a new stadium for 600 million. Then Invest another 400 million into making the greatest youth academy + scouting system ever. And that's 1 billion euros which shall not matter a whit in the FFP calculations.
What I cannot do, is spend 150 million euros to buy CR and Messi into my team, unless my current teams' finances add up.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 11 2012, 09:21 AM
I still think the best way for clubs to move on is get a new owner and spend silly amounts of money. Because FFP makes it near impossible to improve otherwise, it just guarantees you can't spend anything like what the teams you're aiming to catch are and if you do? No proze money or CL for you!
FFP primary objectives:
Sourced from UEFA's site.
Gate receipts will be doubtless much higher for even Everton than Milan.
And as for your new owner spending silly money..there's 'theoretically' no stopping that.
If I had 10 billion euros with nothing to spend it on (like Abramovich), I'd buy Milan...find a new spot, build a new stadium for 600 million. Then Invest another 400 million into making the greatest youth academy + scouting system ever. And that's 1 billion euros which shall not matter a whit in the FFP calculations.
What I cannot do, is spend 150 million euros to buy CR and Messi into my team, unless my current teams' finances add up.
Exactly.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 11 2012, 12:56 PM
R7, why do you care so much about FFP? Are you really that desperate to defend Berlusconi's actions regarding this club?
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 11 2012, 01:37 PM
By referring to FFP I am not defending Berlusconi. And please it isn't 'this' club it is 'his' club
I care about FFP because it is a regulation that the top 7 or so teams of every European league eligible to play in CL/EL would have to conform to. We have to play by that standards now. The days of old are gone.
Do you understand the regulations of FFP? And the consequences if we do not conform to it?
Do you understand that in order for us to bolster a team of Rui Costa, Seedorf, kaka, Nesta, Shevchenko, Thiago, Zlatan, etc etc ... Berlusconi had to shell-out over half a billion euros in the past 10 years to finance their respective contracts? Something Milan on its own could not do? Do you not see that Milan can not generate enough Revenue to have a team worthy of a top place finish (ie salaries)? We simply can not afford it.
The assumption that Berlusconi is driving Milan to the ground is false, as it is based on bias and not facts. Facts of the matter are that Milan has to comply with FFP today.
I don't need to defend Berlusconi, without Berlusconi Milan would be in Serie C / D. Please note, no other person was willing to by Milan at the time because it was a losing business. And still is.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 11 2012, 02:19 PM
I understand the regulations of the FFP, but that's not what I was asking. You post countless articles and comments to demonstrate the effectiveness of the FFP, as if trying to persuade us into thoroughly believing in it, all in all to come to the conclusion that Berlusconi is trying to run this club as efficiently as possible, in accord with the rules. Sorry, but that's total bullshit to me. We're all grown-ups here, we understand the situation we're in. We realize that we can't even come close to competing with the footballing giants of today in terms of revenue and liquidity, and that without Berlusconi's investment 26 years ago we might not exist as a club nowadays. There's no need for all the lecturing and @ss-kissing. If we criticize the guy, it's because we all care a whole lot about this club, and we simply don't agree with some or most of his decisions in recent times. If we have a mediocre team nowadays run by a mediocre coach, then who's to blame other than the management? Things might have turned out differently if we had thought things through more carefully.
Posted by: acid911 Oct 11 2012, 03:08 PM
Best way to put all of it.
Best honest way!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 11 2012, 03:37 PM
Well you're absolutely right in a way that mistakes were made. But at least they're rectifying it sooner rather than later.
I would say FFP completely caught us off guard, but then we probably wasted another year and a half to begin with the re-organization. But now I do believe we are proceeding in the only way possible. We do not know much about the other teams struggles, because we did not follow them as seriously. R7 is completely right when he says Juve already did their reorganizing.
For me still missing is:
- The plans for a new stadium (Juve have one, Inter and Roma have both announced theirs...)
- New youth project (this will of course take us some more time to see the results)
- Financials after the reorganization (this will be coming up soon I expect)
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 11 2012, 03:41 PM
If Inter are getting a new stadium, can't we just purchase San Siro from the municipality and renovate it?
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 11 2012, 04:12 PM
We've been over this with the municipality before. They flat out refuse to sell, coz it's such a cash cow for them with all the rent it brings in from both clubs. It just doesn't make any sense.
The work on it , whether it is the new pitch or the turnstiles is to be done by the two clubs.
The rent has to be paid by the two clubs.
The municipality makes money not just from the rent but also any other event that may be hosted there!!
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 11 2012, 05:43 PM
In all fairness, you asked me and I answered.
And I don't mean to lecture, I mean to add value to the forum. However, if your flavor of the day is to criticize B&G, then by all means
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 11 2012, 05:43 PM
I don't agree. Revenue dictates the majority of it. A club can always lower certain expenses, but you can't just increase revenue.
For example (and these figures are totally random so don't look into the numbers too much):
Milan revenue is £200m, expenses are £220m - That puts us at negative £20m
Everton revenue is £50m, expenses £50m - That puts them at breaking even.
Milan can (which is what you're saying they're doing now) cut down the wage bill, sell players and lets say their revenue sticks at £200m, but now expenses are at £180m. Milan now, despite spending £130m on the club more than Everton are actually in a better position.
This is why it's a load of balls to me. It's about meking the rich richer by making sure other teams can't break into the CL to improve their revenue. It's all geared towards keeping the status quo whilst hiding behind this Fair Play nonesense (which as showed above, is anything but 'fair'.)
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 11 2012, 06:21 PM
The work on it , whether it is the new pitch or the turnstiles is to be done by the two clubs.
The rent has to be paid by the two clubs.
The municipality makes money not just from the rent but also any other event that may be hosted there!!
How do you know that? I don't remember anyone saying such a thing. And if they refuse to sell it, then Inter and us can get new stadiums and San Siro will become useless to them as a result.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 12 2012, 12:36 AM
For example (and these figures are totally random so don't look into the numbers too much):
Milan revenue is £200m, expenses are £220m - That puts us at negative £20m
Everton revenue is £50m, expenses £50m - That puts them at breaking even.
Milan can (which is what you're saying they're doing now) cut down the wage bill, sell players and lets say their revenue sticks at £200m, but now expenses are at £180m. Milan now, despite spending £130m on the club more than Everton are actually in a better position.
This is why it's a load of balls to me. It's about meking the rich richer by making sure other teams can't break into the CL to improve their revenue. It's all geared towards keeping the status quo whilst hiding behind this Fair Play nonesense (which as showed above, is anything but 'fair'.)
Under FFP Milan wont be at EUR270MM in Revenue. You have to factor in the demand for tickets (fell to a new record low this season), take into account Merchandise, TV distribution, European prize money, if we get a chance to participate ...
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 12 2012, 09:38 AM
For example (and these figures are totally random so don't look into the numbers too much):
Milan revenue is £200m, expenses are £220m - That puts us at negative £20m
Everton revenue is £50m, expenses £50m - That puts them at breaking even.
Milan can (which is what you're saying they're doing now) cut down the wage bill, sell players and lets say their revenue sticks at £200m, but now expenses are at £180m. Milan now, despite spending £130m on the club more than Everton are actually in a better position.
This is why it's a load of balls to me. It's about meking the rich richer by making sure other teams can't break into the CL to improve their revenue. It's all geared towards keeping the status quo whilst hiding behind this Fair Play nonesense (which as showed above, is anything but 'fair'.)
Let's say Everton finish in Europe this season. This means that they have the chance to get increased commercial revenue (more sponsors, sponsor bonuses), and of course the money from the Europa league (TV revenues plus stadium attendance for Europe games).
So I would imagine around another 12 million a year.
So now their revenue has increased by another 12million. While their expense remains at the 50 million. So that's 12 million a year extra they have got.
Now earlier, there was a chance that another 'big' club could just come in a raid one of their players for zilch, and they're back to square one.
Now it's not happening so much. Chelsea or Man U or Man C cannot come in and plonk down a crazy sum from 25 to 40 million for Fellaini as was their wont.
For starters if they're plopping down say 25 million (@ 8 million a year for 3 years), and let's be honest, Fellaini at any of the big clubs is still squad material, so the only way they can convince him is to pay huge wages.
So let's say Big Club's expenses are 8 million for the transfer plus wages for Fellaini at 4 million a year (he is on 3 at Everton right now), they have to be prepared to put out 12 million a year extra on their expense sheet.
Question is, can they do it and not wreck their books. We already know that they are not making a profit. So will an additional 12 million on the deficit column still keep them within Europe?
On the other hand for an extra 1 million on their 'expense' column Everton can keep Fellaini at matching wages, and promise him the starting role..so they're building on it.
Plus they could of course reinforce their strength which is a great scouting system wherein they pick up great players on the cheap.
As for the web's oft repeated cliche argument..the big clubs will just flip the bird and go play their own league...don't be silly.
Real, Barca, Bayern (in fact ALL german CL clubs), Juve, Milan, Inter (probably), Man Utd, Chelsea are all in tune with FFP.
So now, unless you're suggesting Man City, PSG, a few second tier Spanish clubs going off to play a league of their own will make the world stop...then nothin's gonna happen. These clubs will have to come around eventually.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 14 2012, 09:01 AM
"What Manchester United put into world football is massive, but what they take out of it is a joke and they won't put up with that for much longer."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19924802
I don't know who the hell this Charles Green is. But what a randomly insulting comment to make. As for his final comment, what Man U have put into the World of football is massive? Sure. Though I'm not sure there's a more influential club in the history of the game than us, but if it makes him feel better, whatever.
Posted by: dst Oct 15 2012, 01:20 AM
How so?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 15 2012, 04:44 AM
William McGregor (our chairman) created the first football league. At the time, with the FA Cup being the only competitive competition, teams were basically having to fold because they couldn't afford to keep running particularly if they went out quickly.
The league meant there were more meaningful games and it grew from there.
That clown's since apologised for his comments anyway.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 15 2012, 11:22 AM
Reds owners Fenway Sports Group will announce their desire to expand the historic ground, bringing an end to plans for a move to a new stadium on nearby Stanley Park
Liverpool owners Fenway Sports Group are expected to reaffirm their commitment to redeveloping the club's Anfield home on Monday.
The Reds' lengthy battle with Liverpool city council over the necessary demolition of nearby housing appears be nearing an amicable conclusion, though specific announcements regarding an increase in capacity are not expected to be confirmed until a later date.
The Anfield Road and Main Stand areas of the historic ground have been marked out for refurbishment, in order to bring the stadium’s capacity up to around 60,000 - in line with Liverpool's rivals at the top end of the Premier League.
As explained by fan site The Anfield Wrap on Saturday, the Merseyside outfit hope to begin the restoration work in 2014.
The news brings to an end links with a vacant plot of land on nearby Stanley Park, where the Reds club had previously planned to build a new stadium for which plans have been written off at the cost of £35 million.
Principal owner John W Henry has repeatedly spoken of his desire to refurbish Anfield following FSG’s takeover - two years ago to the day - citing concern over the escalating cost of a new build for the relatively small reward of just 15,000 extra seats.
Good for the heritage of the EPL.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 15 2012, 08:45 PM
Btw. considering QPR are last, how well is Julio Cesar doing?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 15 2012, 08:57 PM
Agreed. As much as I hate Liverpool, it's one of the stadiums that needs to remain.
Clean sheet on his debut against Chelsea and played great in a loss against Spurs. Wasn't very good against West Brom or West Ham though - seems to play to the big occassion I suppose.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 18 2012, 08:43 PM
Man City's cheapest season ticket is cheaper than Newport County's cheapest season ticket.
Villa's average season ticket prices are lower than Rotherham, Southend and Bournemouth.
Surely lower league football would benefit lowering prices a bit and getting more people in the ground as a result? Chances are you'd make a little more money AND have a better home atmosphere. Some of the prices are shocking.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 23 2012, 02:03 AM
Since when did Azpilcueta play for Chelsea? Just noticed it playing FIFA.
Posted by: X-Offender Oct 23 2012, 03:21 AM
Haha, I also just noticed it yesterday.
Posted by: William405 Oct 23 2012, 11:58 AM
Villa's average season ticket prices are lower than Rotherham, Southend and Bournemouth.
Surely lower league football would benefit lowering prices a bit and getting more people in the ground as a result? Chances are you'd make a little more money AND have a better home atmosphere. Some of the prices are shocking.
That is weird.Got the link to the prices anywhere?
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 24 2012, 02:00 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19842397
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 27 2012, 02:38 PM
Joe Bennett all but confirmed our relegation. Must win game, 1-0 up and he gets the most retarded 2nd yellow card to leave us with 10 men with 40 minutes to play. Some heroic defending after that, but when Phil Dowd is reffing a Villa game, there's 1 outcome that's not going to happen and it's the one we needed.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Oct 27 2012, 07:30 PM
Didn't see the 2nd half but seemed Norwich had a pretty good case for a penalty ignored in the 1st.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 27 2012, 11:39 PM
He got no major decisions wrong, but even the commentators were basically laughing at decisions towards the end at how Norwich were the far more physical team and yet he refused to do anything against them. We were getting books/free-kicks against us for nothing.
Penalty? If 50/50 shoulder-to-shoulder challenges are penalties you'd see 5 or 6 a game.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 28 2012, 07:04 PM
2-2 between United the Chelsea in the middle of the second hald and then the ref gave Chelsea two red cards (the second to Torres was completely bogus) and United win 3-2 from an offside goal 
Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 28 2012, 09:18 PM
Suarez had a completely good goal disallowed earlier. Would've been his hat-trick and a 94th minute winner in a local derby. Couldn't happen to a better person.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 1 2012, 02:34 AM
No love for the League Cup? Two crazy games: Chelsea beat United 5-4 and Arsenal came back from 0-4 to beat Reading 7-5
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 1 2012, 02:50 AM
I read about the incredible Arsenal comeback, but I had no idea about the Chelsea-ManU game. Crazy results indeed.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 1 2012, 02:53 AM
So many late goals this round, around 6 in the last few minutes of a game.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 1 2012, 08:23 AM
The Chelsea game was amazing, and justice was served for the league game which was handed over to United last weekend
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 1 2012, 09:00 AM
Mata > Iniesta. Yeah I said it.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 1 2012, 01:22 PM
It could be 83-82, it's still the league cup, couldn't care less about it.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 1 2012, 01:51 PM
Yeah, and you shouldn't have said it.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 1 2012, 02:59 PM
As long as it's a good game, I don't really care how important the cup/league is.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 1 2012, 03:06 PM
It must have been 2 stunning games, the main story over here is racism from a Chelsea fan to Welbeck, top-flight English football is literally turning into Eastenders, shambles.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 1 2012, 03:20 PM
Yes, it was entertaining.
Seems like recently there's always some story about racism going on. Players to players, fans to players...
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 3 2012, 05:57 PM
Take that O'Neill you ****.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 3 2012, 06:12 PM
League table agrees
We lost to Harrogate Town Can't be doing with the FA Cup anymore, mediocre at best competition these days and we never get a big draw anyway. Least we can focus on the league now without distraction.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 3 2012, 07:28 PM
Of Cup competitions, the FA Cup is the only one I take seriously to be honest.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 3 2012, 07:55 PM
Because of the tradition or?
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 3 2012, 08:30 PM
I find it as bad as the League Cup these days to be honest.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 3 2012, 08:48 PM
League Cup's been great last few years though. United/Arsenal/Chelsea/City know there's not enough trophies to go around so they've gotta try and win what they can.
I'd rather watch League Cup than Champions League nowadays!
Posted by: arivanjj Nov 8 2012, 03:49 PM
this was probably posted last season but what an insane goal and i love that top comment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwWrvjRN7p8&feature=related
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 8 2012, 10:32 PM
Just saw this on the Mail website
Those big spenders
Posted by: acid911 Nov 9 2012, 01:19 AM
Whoever said typos were not fun, obviously did not have a comedy bone in his body!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 9 2012, 08:06 AM
Still think they overpaid for him.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 9 2012, 08:41 AM
Whoever said typos were not fun, obviously did not have a comedy bone in his body!Probably down to at least with yourself & I competitiveness between fellow professionals. Can say I've been guilty of it a number of times too!
Posted by: acid911 Nov 10 2012, 07:56 PM
Where is Kurt when you need him!? Aston Villa have stunned United, though the game is on at 2-1. And my, my, how Fulham had a chance to get their first ever win at Arsenal's home, and ended up with a disappointing draw. Two end-to-end matches today in the EPL.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 10 2012, 08:04 PM
2-2 now (Villa had 2-0 lead) and almost 2-3 bt RvP. United are the best team in the world in comebacks. Just this season they have done it about 10 times.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 10 2012, 08:23 PM
And they have done it again. Chicharito with a hat-trick.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 10 2012, 08:23 PM
I don't post during games anymore, Acid, too much jinx.
Very proud of the team today. An average age sub-23 and incredible effort. Couple of fluke United goals is what to expect. United won't win anything, no centre midfield.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 10 2012, 08:30 PM
Ah, okay.
Seeing Villa 2-0 up against United was a nice surprise nevertheless. As was the Fulham match. Watching these underdogs take it to big teams (even if they don't hold up till the final whistle) is always a sight.And less than solid defense, Rafael is nothing special for United.
Let's see how it goes.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 10 2012, 08:35 PM
We'll struggle again, same problems as last season in that we can't keep possession and can't defend set peices - at least we're scoring a bit now.
I think football is in a bit of a down point in terms of quality. United are one of the best teams in World football and they have a lack of quality in goal, at full back, centre back and central midfield. You wouldn't see that 10 or 5 years ago.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 11 2012, 12:11 AM
That and the fact most media news stories over here regarding football have nothing to do with the sport but more with the numerous sideshows it has picked up in recent years, in the hope they can turn it into a live version of Eastenders, I guess you need to do what sells to the masses of morons over here. Therefore, we don't hear the illustrious hype that we did a few years ago, when, you know, the media reported on the actual sport.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 11 2012, 08:53 PM
"I'm surprised John Terry scored against Liverpool, they're usually quite good at defending racists"
Made me laugh.
Posted by: William405 Nov 11 2012, 08:59 PM
Made me laugh.
hahaha!
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 17 2012, 05:32 PM
City struggling to create chances and score? Give them a free penalty to open the gates.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 21 2012, 10:38 AM
They fired Di Matteo!!! Honestly??!!! Top of the league, and they lost a CL match. And they fired their title winnign coach?!?!?
Abramovich is like Moratti with more money and less sense!!! They're gonna get Pep aren't they?
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 21 2012, 11:10 AM
Abramovich never wanted Di Matteo for the long run, he planned to keep him for several month as head coach but was forced to continue with him after the CL win and waited for an excuse. Guess he's not attractive enough name for him. Pep to Chelsea sounds logical since RA can fill all of his demands.
I would take Di Matteo to Milan, we are not going to get anyone bigger with our funds anyway.
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 21 2012, 11:23 AM
LOL...
Can't say I'm surprised, last night I was thinking Abramovich wouldn't tolerate this. I hope he regrets this decision.
Posted by: X-Offender Nov 21 2012, 03:38 PM
What a clown!
Posted by: han2503 Nov 21 2012, 04:29 PM
Get him Galliani!!
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 21 2012, 06:57 PM
I don't see it happen though. He's a Laziale for life.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 21 2012, 07:20 PM
Oh Roman...
Posted by: Zed.D Nov 21 2012, 07:27 PM
doesn't MATA at all? Do u expect him to win an
OSCAR award or what? It might seem gud to
you but seriously it will be a HAZARD for the
team in future. Remember it took patience for
MOSES to lead his people to glory. If u CECH it
well, U should know that a team can'tgo
without LUIZing a match. Even CESAR lost
battles. Is the Stamford Bridge a STURRIDGE
device where theykeep sacked coaches? At
least u could have gave him some PEP talks.
Roman, U TERRY-Fy me. Trust me the MARIN
workers cannot even understand this. but we
have to OBI-ey why not.
Memory verse:ROMANS 20:11:12>Thou shall
not Bench HolyToress,for they will be
sacked.Lol!
This comment made me laugh.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 21 2012, 08:34 PM
Rafa Benitez appointed interim manager.
Posted by: Jack Bauer Nov 21 2012, 08:52 PM
I wouldn't let him manage my neighborhood team.
Posted by: KillerMax Nov 21 2012, 11:19 PM
Same. WTF is going on?
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Nov 21 2012, 11:20 PM
Good luck with him. At least they took him of from Gallianis potential speed dial.
Posted by: servbot Nov 22 2012, 05:53 AM
Wow Abramovich is just bat-**** crazy! First firing a coach less than a year after he led them to an unexpected CL cup? Then hiring Benitez in his place! Unreal!
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 22 2012, 10:21 AM
Don't be too sure guys. You're right this could misfire, but I always felt he got unfair schtick at Inter. If he shows any improvements this season, then Roman could seriously back him at which point, we can't laugh at him anymore. He is a good tactician though rigid. Perhaps not so much a charismatic man-manager.
P.S: I'm biased having met him, and I found him a really down-to-earth chap if a bit too serious. I actually like him (as a person).
Posted by: acid911 Nov 22 2012, 12:01 PM
Yup, you're biased.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 22 2012, 02:35 PM
Nah! Well Abramovic wants to see Torres shine, so he brought in the last coach who had done that.
Posted by: acid911 Nov 22 2012, 03:02 PM
Not to be a Brütal Legend (look it up), but the brutally honest truth is that the Torres train has come and gone. The guy peaked too early. His best moment was the winning goal against Germany in the Euro 2008 final. That was his peak, and no matter how much anyone tries, the mojo ain't coming back.
Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong, but it'll be hard for Torres to even get back to his Liverpool days now.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 22 2012, 10:18 PM
That was his peak, and no matter how much anyone tries, the mojo ain't coming back.Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong, but it'll be hard for Torres to even get back to his Liverpool days now.
I would disagree there buddy, as I believe tactics matter a lot in exploiting your team's strong points. 50MM quid, they could have invested in Ibramovic instead
Posted by: han2503 Nov 22 2012, 11:05 PM
Apparently throw in 15m more and you'd get Silva in a 2 for 1
See this is why I'm still so bitter about selling those 2 off so easily. Chelsea payed a staggering amount for both Torres and Luiz and they're not even half the players Silva and Ibra are. And we're talking PSG here, who have more spending power than Chelsea as well.
The truth is Galliani got taken for a ride, at least he should have tried to include a PSG player coming our way as well along with that money
Posted by: acid911 Nov 23 2012, 06:13 AM
Cautiously agree with R7, and wholly agree with Han. Yeah, Galliani got a good one, his eyes probably bulged out when he heard the amount we were getting. Add in the amount we were saving, he didn't even think before pushing the button. Some of the decisions he's made in the last 2 years are downright appalling.
Posted by: William405 Nov 23 2012, 08:18 AM
And he didn't have the pressure of any players wanting to actually peave Milan.Both wanted to stay.Maybe he had the pressure of Berlusconi begging for regaining some money from our losses.But, Galliani still should have known better how to play his cards.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 23 2012, 08:38 AM
I think someone must have recommended Luiz as some sort of joke. I know Roman wants entertaining football, but I think he meant entertaining for him and not everyone else, Luiz is such a clown. He thinks he's Beckenbauer.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 23 2012, 08:50 AM
Interesting article in the papers today about how we are missing a few prime-time footballers and characters in the league at the moment. Mentioning the return of Cristiano & Mourinho to these shores on Wednesday as something the league has still not really recovered from losing. I'm not sure I wholeheartedly agree but I can see what the article is getting at.
Posted by: han2503 Nov 23 2012, 10:54 AM
He's a great footballer imo, just a terrible defender.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 23 2012, 10:47 PM
See this is why I'm still so bitter about selling those 2 off so easily. Chelsea payed a staggering amount for both Torres and Luiz and they're not even half the players Silva and Ibra are. And we're talking PSG here, who have more spending power than Chelsea as well.
The truth is Galliani got taken for a ride, at least he should have tried to include a PSG player coming our way as well along with that money
You shouldnt be so bitter han, if you could only comprehend the fact that in such an economy and with FFP, we cant afford them.
Its like you buy a Ferrari and a Lamborghini, they cost a lot initially, but they cost a lot more to maintain than a Toyota. When Berlusconi says we saved 160MM for the next 3 years, he means that such players will affect our ability to balance the books. The matter of buy one get the other free is not true, in truth we sold both because their respective contracts were too much for us to accommodate.
I would have loved for Silva to have stayed, let alone Ibra ... But reality is one thing, and fantasy is another. This is why I used to always defend Berlusconi, because all our superstars were bankrolled by him. Milan alone can not afford these players, as you are witnessing now.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Nov 23 2012, 10:51 PM
Then its his fault for offering out silly contracts.
Come on, you're a smart guy. He had no intention of honouring the Silva contract and did it to try and make it sound better when we sold him. Given that Silva just signed a new deal, I'm amazed at how little we got for it, so much for being good negotiators.
Posted by: Rossoneri7 Nov 23 2012, 11:04 PM
Come on, you're a smart guy. He had no intention of honouring the Silva contract and did it to try and make it sound better when we sold him. Given that Silva just signed a new deal, I'm amazed at how little we got for it, so much for being good negotiators.
But these players have a market value. Like Kaka in Madrid, we cant match his 'current' market value, ie his contract.
I cant 'assume' the details Kurt, whether Berlusconi was willing to honor the contract or not. Could very well be as you described it, or could be another issue related to the PSG deal ... You never really know.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Nov 26 2012, 09:30 PM
See the Chelsea 'fans' are discontent, one of the sports retailers should really do a half price Man City shirt when you trade in your Chelsea shirt offer 
Posted by: Kazdoodle Nov 26 2012, 10:13 PM
Rather than spending time in a rage or such, I think i'm going to give benitez a chance, Even if the guy has a bad history with chelsea I want to see what he can do on a footballing level then i will judge him, If he gets us success then he will be good in my books if not then ehh, But i just don't find getting hung up about the liverpool stuff worthwhile, waste of time just being....Angry.
I still remember about 3 years ago drogba Said something about glory hunters as chelsea fans and such, People love him still, I say too, and you know what any footballer even at their own club could say bad about it but not get any publishment or such, So the one you love could just be as guilty as the one you hate with saying words...you just can never be sure.
I really would love to see Di Matteo with the Ac Milan job, Give him a place where he can settle and frigging prove his metal, Though Napoli isn't all that bad i'd way rather the Milan job
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Nov 27 2012, 10:23 AM
Thrash, black, death or plain heavy?
Acid?
Posted by: acid911 Nov 27 2012, 10:47 AM
No objections from this keyboard! Finish him!
Posted by: Zed.D Dec 1 2012, 03:59 PM
West Ham 3-1 Chelsea
I hope Abramovich is enjoying this
Posted by: han2503 Dec 1 2012, 06:56 PM
Chelsea are just so lazy. And they were playng like this under RDM as well.
All their flare players seem to think that they should be allowed to pass through everyone and that a win is their right. Such an arrogant bunch they have. Hazard especially gives off this impression, and when are they going to stop insisting on Torres?
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Dec 1 2012, 07:06 PM
Reading 3 - Man United 4... 34 minutes gone...
Posted by: X-Offender Dec 1 2012, 07:27 PM
All their flare players seem to think that they should be allowed to pass through everyone and that a win is their right. Such an arrogant bunch they have. Hazard especially gives off this impression, and when are they going to stop insisting on Torres?
It's the Champions League aftereffects. It happened to us, it happened to Inter, now it's happening to them: teams who overachieved in the previous season that become too lazy/tired/demotivated in the next.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 1 2012, 08:08 PM
True, but Chelsea actually invested into the squad after the CL. Unlike us and Inter who took it to mean that we're the best and don't need to do anything. They have a really good set of players imo. The center of defense is the only area really lacking imo as Luiz is a nutso, Terry is in and out injured and nowhere near the level he used to be at and Cahill is meh for me.
@ MAB, wasn't RVP's last goal offside? At least I know that Serie A isn't the only league where such blatant mistakes are made
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Dec 1 2012, 08:44 PM
Don't know was only half watching it, don't tend to bother with most Saturday evening games, tend to be damp squids and usually focusing on the College Football by then.
If it was offside though things got evened out by a decision where RVP should have had a goal, which was ruled to have not crossed the line, even though it was incredibly obvious it was.
Posted by: han2503 Dec 1 2012, 09:05 PM
If it was offside though things got evened out by a decision where RVP should have had a goal, which was ruled to have not crossed the line, even though it was incredibly obvious it was.
Don't know about that one, only switched on right before the RVP goal
Still like I said in the match thread against Catania. Trying to correct one mistake with another shouldn't be accepted as a good thing in football. It's ridiculous the amount of games which are ruined on a weekly basis because of this and until some technology is introduced it won't change
Posted by: Kazdoodle Dec 2 2012, 06:51 AM
Acid?
Thrash
and EXPLODE! 8D
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 2 2012, 01:26 PM
Interesting game in the FA Cup today.
MK Dons to in AFC Wimbledon. Huge hatred from AFC towards MK because of the history. Wimbledon FC were going into administration and a rich bloke bought the club and moved them to Milton Keynes. A new club AFC Wimbledon was created as the fans felt they 'stole' their club.
I'll be amazed if there isn't a red card in this, even the players are slagging off each others clubs.
MK are considering dropping the 'Dons' name and have already officially dropped the Wimbledon history and handed back trophies, but theres still a hatred between the 2.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 2 2012, 03:24 PM
And the club stealing wankers won.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Dec 5 2012, 02:20 PM
Olympic stadium given to football team.
'Inspiring generations', ladies & gentleman
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Dec 5 2012, 02:23 PM
Stupid actually. Especially with that track around it. It would suck.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 5 2012, 02:28 PM
I think it had to be done, and to West Ham. A football team is the only possible tennant that could afford to pay it properly.
I can't even believe Tottenham were being considered. Their plan was to knock the damn thing down and build a new stadium on the grounds!
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Dec 5 2012, 02:38 PM
Couldn't give a F what it's like for West Ham to be honest. Before anyone says they are going to use it for athletics, no they aren't not to the level it could have been used for. First off there's another £115m that needs to be spent on it to turn it into a suitable football stadium, of which West Ham will pay 10% - where's the rest of the money coming from?! Tax payers... good job. Apparently an investment firm will put £40m into it but that still leaves £60m...
Oh, but it's ok because there maybe one weekend a year it's used for athletics?! There are tons of weeks this could have been used for athletics throughout the summer. I don't buy they need a football team in there to make it financially stable, if that was their business model then this country is led by bigger morons than I first thought, and that's saying something. A lot of European cities have athletic stadiums and get by financially with hosting... athletics. After this summer there would still have been a buzz for a good few years in athletics and they could have easily built upon that, get newcomers into the sport, get kids involved for potential careers within it etc. If it wasn't working 2 years down the line you could put your hands up and say, ok, we tried. You're still unlikely to cost the public £60m from this, something you are committed to doing by giving it to a football team.
Though, no, the majority of this country can't look past this sport and only this sport so we have to have it dominate, yet again, just like it did a few years back and then wonder why other sports suffer, shambles. I don't dislike the sport obviously but people need to realise there's more than just football over here, which in reality as an International team we hardly set the world alight with either.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 5 2012, 03:53 PM
I don't care for West Ham either. They're up there with Leeds, Newcastle and Spurs as irrelevant clubs who think they're relevant despite winning **** all. But in the region it's really them or Leyton Orient and Orient couldn't afford to keep it running, the tax payer would basically have to keep the stadium running as well as pay for it. West Ham will at least account for the running costs.
Of all the Olympic Stadia dating back to 1972 the only ones not used currently are the 1972 Olympiastadion (was used by Bayern and 1860 Munich between 1972 and 2005, was paid of by the time they left), the 1988 Seol Olympic Stadium and the 2008 Birds Nest (which is going to take 30 years to repay and is barely used). All others are still in use, most by major sporting teams from the area.
The Olympic Stadium will still be used for athletics and I don't know it would be be able to cope with just athletics because of the running costs. There's places around the Midlands that've closed over the past decade or so because they have no other income (some had small teams play, but even then not enough). If we want our legacy to be used for a few months a year where it's not going to bring that much money in (check attendances for other track and field events) and have the stadium eventually be pushed aside as running costs are too high, that's fair enough. I hate West Ham, but I'm more than happy for them to keep the stadium going personally.
Interestingly enough, there was more interest from American sporting bodies to use the stadium after the Olympics than there was athletics bodies, if they aren't going to make the effort then they aren't going to get the stadium. We'll see how much it gets used in the next 4 years before West Ham move in.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Dec 5 2012, 04:02 PM
This all prior to the Olympics mind, people thought that would flop too. Oh well, as long as football is catered for in this country everyone's happy...
It only takes looking at Wimbledon to show how to run something like this properly. Give it a few years and that will be a football ground with a week off for tennis.
Posted by: kurtsimonw Dec 5 2012, 04:29 PM
Well it's to be expected that it revolves around football. At the end of the day it is the people who decide. It's the people who go and spend money on football each week. I imagine football attendances each year are probably over 100 times that of attendances for track and field meets, so it's no surprise why it's gone where it has.
When people put their money where their mouth is, things change. But in this case, they aren't so it won't.
Posted by: Milan Are Brilliant Dec 5 2012, 05:01 PM
But football is looked after well, incredibly well in this country. Why should tax payers have to pay for £60m to make this a football stadium... ah forget it, whatever.
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