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Posted by: Jack Bauer Aug 31 2010, 11:22 PM

All talk about the Winter transfer window.

So, what moves should Milan do to further improve the squad? Who to sell? Take into consideration that we might want to buy a player that will be eligible to play in the knockout stage of the Champios League.

Posted by: Tennie Aug 31 2010, 11:26 PM

A fullback with good teeth would be nice.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2010, 11:30 PM

OUT: Onyewu, Oddo, Jankulovski.

IN: what Fishdoll said.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 1 2010, 12:05 AM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 31 2010, 06:26 PM) *
A fullback with good teeth would be nice.

+1

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 1 2010, 12:36 AM

Let's see how our season goes by then. I wouldn't mind a RB.

Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 1 2010, 12:50 AM

Pastore for the midfield !! Would be nice!!

Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 1 2010, 01:14 AM

We are still interested in Andrea Poli and might buy him in January or next summer.

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=33330

Posted by: Tennie Sep 1 2010, 03:04 AM

Poli's an interesting young player. Wouldn't mind him.

Posted by: Warchant Sep 1 2010, 03:35 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 31 2010, 05:30 PM) *
OUT: Onyewu, Oddo, Jankulovski.

IN: what Fishdoll said.


i still don't see why this board is so judgmental about onyewu when he's 0 time to prove his worth

on what bases should he be simply let go?

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2010, 03:38 AM

He made Jay DeMerit look good at the World Cup.

Posted by: Darunia Sep 1 2010, 04:18 AM

He was just coming back from a serious knee injury as well..

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 1 2010, 07:37 AM

QUOTE (Warchant @ Sep 1 2010, 03:35 AM) *
i still don't see why this board is so judgmental about onyewu when he's 0 time to prove his worth

on what bases should he be simply let go?

Because he is awful....it's like playing Oddo as CB.

I prefer Albertazzi , Bonera etc over him.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2010, 10:13 AM

QUOTE (Warchant @ Sep 1 2010, 03:35 AM) *
i still don't see why this board is so judgmental about onyewu when he's 0 time to prove his worth

on what bases should he be simply let go?

Because he had a terrible WC, but having said that I'm sure most people seem to have blocked the fact that he hadn't played for an entire season out of their memories. Which is unfair imo.

The reason we brought him in was because of a really good Confed Cup showing, where he was arguably the US's best defender.

Posted by: elcordobez Sep 1 2010, 10:54 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 1 2010, 07:13 PM) *
Because he had a terrible WC, but having said that I'm sure most people seem to have blocked the fact that he hadn't played for an entire season out of their memories. Which is unfair imo.

The reason we brought him in was because of a really good Confed Cup showing, where he was arguably the US's best defender.


+ he was free

Injury or not he just seems a tad clumsy 'tis all.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 1 2010, 12:14 PM

I've got better odds of me becoming the next US President, than Pastore joining us (and that too in the next winter window). Yeah, it's that bad. sad.gif Poli, I'll take, should be a great buy. And oh, a quality RB. And hopefully we get a chance to offload a couple of other dead weights.

Posted by: Tennie Sep 1 2010, 01:37 PM

According to tuttomercatoweb, Milan have loaned out Cristian Daminuta to L'Aquila. Daminuta's one of the 3 kids we bought from inert over the summer. http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan/?action=read&idtmw=227377

They also report that Sebastian Coates will arrive in January, not this window. http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan/?action=read&idnet=bWlsYW5uZXdzLml0LTMzMzY1


Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 1 2010, 02:14 PM

QUOTE (Warchant @ Sep 1 2010, 02:35 AM) *
i still don't see why this board is so judgmental about onyewu when he's 0 time to prove his worth

on what bases should he be simply let go?


+1

Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 1 2010, 03:21 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 1 2010, 11:14 AM) *
I've got better odds of me becoming the next US President, than Pastore joining us (and that too in the next winter window). Yeah, it's that bad. sad.gif

You really think so? Why?

Posted by: acid911 Sep 1 2010, 03:31 PM

QUOTE (RinoIlCapitano @ Sep 1 2010, 07:21 PM) *
You really think so? Why?



This guy. Maurizio Zamparini practically hates Milan. dry.gif And besides when was the last time a Pelermo player joined our club. I too would like to see Pastore playing along our mids, but chances of that happening are very, very slim. Unless something drastic happens, like Palermo finishing 10th or something like that.

Posted by: Tennie Sep 1 2010, 03:59 PM

According to transfermarkt.de (Lapalma, are these guys legit?) Milan spent a total of 9 million during the summer transfer market.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/ac-milan/transfers/verein_5.html

Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 1 2010, 04:32 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 1 2010, 02:31 PM) *


This guy. Maurizio Zamparini practically hates Milan. dry.gif And besides when was the last time a Pelermo player joined our club. I too would like to see Pastore playing along our mids, but chances of that happening are very, very slim. Unless something drastic happens, like Palermo finishing 10th or something like that.

Yes i know that but also Galiani hated Mino Raiola for Ibras inter transfer and later they clear that up and he helped us a lot this summer, maybe zamparini will change his mind biggrin.gif , it would be nice because i think pastore is a great player.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 1 2010, 04:37 PM

QUOTE (RinoIlCapitano @ Sep 1 2010, 08:32 PM) *
Yes i know that but also Galiani hated Mino Raiola for Ibras inter transfer and later they clear that up and he helped us a lot this summer, maybe zamparini will change his mind, it would be nice because i think pastore is a great player.

Yes, I think he's a great signing too, so who knows, maybe things will pan out. cool.gif He's one of those good young midfielders playing in Italy, both creative and physically strong.

Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 1 2010, 04:55 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 1 2010, 04:37 PM) *
Yes, I think he's a great signing too, so who knows, maybe things will pan out. cool.gif He's one of those good young midfielders playing in Italy, both creative and physically strong.

And the second one i think is great is Srna, he is awesome and he finally need to prove himself i a great team and which one is better then Milan biggrin.gif ? What i like the most in Srna is his abillity to hit the man on 50-60m without any problem and that could be good for our new signings. So for me pastore and srna, great winter transfers but i also think that this is unlikely to happen.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 1 2010, 05:37 PM

True, Pastore and Srna both would be great signings. smile.gif Then again, I've got a feeling after our spending spree, the board will look to give chance to our youth players, and transition them to the first team. Both our current ones, and the new ones we signed in this window.

I would know better than to get my hopes high, as good prospects these guys seem!

Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 2 2010, 12:13 AM

QUOTE (Warchant @ Sep 1 2010, 05:35 AM) *
i still don't see why this board is so judgmental about onyewu when he's 0 time to prove his worth

on what bases should he be simply let go?

Seems like he won't get the chance to prove himself. He's not included in the CL aquad and his appearance in Serie A is not likely since he's fifth in the CB hierarchy. It might be better for him to find a club that is more to his standard.

Posted by: MizNelson Sep 2 2010, 12:40 AM

Isn't it a little early to be talking about the winter transfers? That's way off into next year, and, for cripes' sake, the summer one ended less than 24 hours ago.

(Isn't Onyewu playing with us for free this season, anyway?)

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 2 2010, 12:44 AM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Sep 2 2010, 12:40 AM) *
(Isn't Onyewu playing with us for free this season, anyway?)

Everyone seems to think that, but I originally read he would play for free his last season by his renewed contract (got extended w/1 year and I thiught that (last) one was for free, but I seriously have no clue which season is for free now).

Posted by: anano1214 Sep 2 2010, 09:50 PM

i want ramos in milan sad.gif((

Posted by: mishie Sep 2 2010, 10:34 PM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Sep 2 2010, 12:40 AM) *
Isn't it a little early to be talking about the winter transfers? That's way off into next year, and, for cripes' sake, the summer one ended less than 24 hours ago.

(Isn't Onyewu playing with us for free this season, anyway?)

Agreed we haven't even seen the summer signings play yet but now its all about even more new player...jeez you guys are intense!! lol

As for Onyewu he should be paying us to be here not the other way round....he's awful!

Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 2 2010, 11:58 PM

QUOTE (mishie @ Sep 3 2010, 12:34 AM) *
Agreed we haven't even seen the summer signings play yet but now its all about even more new player...jeez you guys are intense!! lol

When one window closes another one opens 96.gif

Posted by: Dracoris Sep 3 2010, 12:53 AM

I would hope our management is already looking ahead to the winter transfer window and the next summer window. Good management should already have a plan for the 2012 Summer Window.

Posted by: RinoIlCapitano Sep 3 2010, 03:43 AM

QUOTE (anano1214 @ Sep 2 2010, 08:50 PM) *
i want ramos in milan sad.gif((

A good signing but he is so overrated , he is good but not as much as a lot of people thinks...

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 3 2010, 05:01 AM

Really? He's the best defender in the World, in my opinion. I'd even go as far as saying he's the only defender in World football who is top class at both full back and CB.

Posted by: abanovac Sep 3 2010, 08:42 AM

WE NEED A GOOD YOUNG WINGER / CENTRE MIDFIELDER
seedorf and ambrosini just arent good enough anymore
what formation will play will determine which of these two players are necessary

Posted by: han2503 Sep 3 2010, 10:35 AM

QUOTE (abanovac @ Sep 3 2010, 07:42 AM) *
WE NEED A GOOD YOUNG WINGER / CENTRE MIDFIELDER
seedorf and ambrosini just arent good enough anymore
what formation will play will determine which of these two players are necessary

Imo, this season, Flamini should be eased in as the regular DM over Ambro. Ambo is not eternal and imo Flamini needs to become our regular by next season.

As for Seedorf, Boateng is an alternative, but there aren't many real replacements available that could do what Seedorf does

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Sep 3 2010, 05:46 PM

Its reported that Montolivio is not considering renewing his contract with the Viola ... What do you guys think ?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 3 2010, 06:14 PM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 3 2010, 04:46 PM) *
Its reported that Montolivio is not considering renewing his contract with the Viola ... What do you guys think ?

I say swoop in. He does tend to disappear in the big games, but I'm sure Milan can beat that out of him.

I really like his style of play, he's obviously no Pirlo, but there never will be anyone like him. Montolivo has the postential to be really great. But he can only go so far with Fiorentina.

I say go in for the kill now that he's having second thoughts about renewing with Fiorentina. He's an easy target.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 3 2010, 06:24 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 3 2010, 10:14 PM) *
I really like his style of play, he's obviously no Pirlo, but there never will be anyone like him. Montolivo has the postential to be really great. But he can only go so far with Fiorentina.

mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif It's potential, damn it! dry.gif Mind the spealings, will ya? tongue.gif

As for Pirlo and whether there would anyone be like him, well I believe there will be. Now if that players comes along in the next ten years or hundred, that is the question. And you Montolivo would be a good buy, but I am not sure the board has it in them to make him come, seeing that our mid is still packed (with 4 players that will potentially retire within a couple of years of each other). Let's see, though.

Posted by: alskor Sep 3 2010, 07:00 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 3 2010, 01:14 PM) *
I say swoop in. He does tend to disappear in the big games, but I'm sure Milan can beat that out of him.

I really like his style of play, he's obviously no Pirlo, but there never will be anyone like him. Montolivo has the postential to be really great. But he can only go so far with Fiorentina.

I say go in for the kill now that he's having second thoughts about renewing with Fiorentina. He's an easy target.

Yeah, Montolivo would be a perfect fit.

He's a great Pirlo backup and we can even play him alongside, similar to when Milan played Rui Costa, young Pirlo and Seedorf all on the field at once as creative mids.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 3 2010, 09:04 PM

Montolivo is a not a big team player. He would fail miserably at Milan, like Gilardino.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 3 2010, 10:32 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 3 2010, 10:35 AM) *
Imo, this season, Flamini should be eased in as the regular DM over Ambro. Ambo is not eternal and imo Flamini needs to become our regular by next season.

Ambrosini plays better than Flamini, so it doesn't make sense to start someone else over him, because someone else should be a regular next season. Why not start Papastathopoulos over Nesta also? Sooner or later Sokratis and Silva will be our central defense. If you find that suggestion BS, then your post is BS too. Also, it's not sure Flamini will still be a Milan player next season, and surely it's not sure he should be a starter next season, probably, but you just want to give it to him?

Ambrosini played an awesome first match of the season, after being awesome last season, and then you come with this? I don't understand...

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 3 2010, 10:41 PM

I'm with CHU-LIP. At the moment, Ambrosini > Flamini, big time.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 4 2010, 08:09 AM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Sep 3 2010, 09:32 PM) *
Ambrosini plays better than Flamini, so it doesn't make sense to start someone else over him, because someone else should be a regular next season. Why not start Papastathopoulos over Nesta also? Sooner or later Sokratis and Silva will be our central defense. If you find that suggestion BS, then your post is BS too. Also, it's not sure Flamini will still be a Milan player next season, and surely it's not sure he should be a starter next season, probably, but you just want to give it to him?

Ambrosini played an awesome first match of the season, after being awesome last season, and then you come with this? I don't understand...

The gap between Flamini and Ambro is not big, especially when both are in form. As for Nesta and Sokratis, yes that would happen in the future. But there is a big difference between Sokratis and Flamini, Flamini is experianced, has played for a big team and imo is more then ready to be a regular.

Ambro played a great first game, but it was Lecce, he barely moved a muscle and was winning balls with his eyes closed, but let's wait until we meet a really fast attacking team before we start saying that Flamini is no competition for him.

Ambro is 33, and he'll be 34 next season. He cannot keep playing over 30 matches a season especially not as the main DM. Last season he was great, until January that is when he was burnt out completely because of having to play every game. Imo this season him and Flamini should be rotated regularly, we have the luxary of having 2 great DMs yet we only use one until he can barely run anymore. I think Allergi will rotate them a lot, considering he was the one who really wanted to keep Flamini.

It's not just "giving" it to him, that's why I said 'eased' into the starting position. This would be done by rotating them on a regular basis. And by next season Flamini would be the starter (provided he plays well this season), but still having Ambro to rotate with.

You think Ambro will be a reliable DM 2 seasons from now? When he's 35? He won't be able to keep up. And Flamini knows that he could be a starter at another team that has CL football, he won't want to stick around, so then we'll be stuck with an Ambro who is simply out of his depth and no backup, so we'll have to buy another DM, instead of spending that money on other areas.

Also you can't really compare Nesta to Ambro, Nesta is a very intelligent defender, that doesn't really need speed, because he reads the game so well, on the other hand, Ambro is a very physical player, and is the only holding guy in the midfield, so the workload is worse on him.

@ X-off, atm there is a gap between Ambro and Flamini, but it's not big. Flamini's only problems is his irrational tackling. The only thing Ambro really kicks his @ss at is the areal ability

Posted by: Ry4n Sep 4 2010, 08:15 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 3 2010, 08:46 PM) *
Its reported that Montolivio is not considering renewing his contract with the Viola ... What do you guys think ?


Bring him in on a loan to buy basis i say or even co-ownership deal , there by if he fails which i don't think he will but if does we won't lose money selling him if he's flopped and i'd play him in Pirlo's role i dont think he'll ever be as good as Pirlo as Han said theres only one Pirlo but he could learn alot from him if he was brought in in January , but if you ask me do we need another Mid fielder or a fullback i'd go with the fullback for now....

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 4 2010, 12:12 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 4 2010, 08:09 AM) *
The only thing Ambro really kicks his @ss at is the areal ability

Nonsense. Ambrosini is very good in a lot of things. Why can't you see that? He showed it more than obvious in the first half against Lecce, just to give a recent example. (It's only Lecce? Okay, he showed it also against Real. And the list goes on and on.)

And now you come with that burn out stuff again. That's why Ambrosini needs to play less often than last season when he played almost every minute. Some sort of rotation is needed, but for sure he needs to be our regular DM, since he is our best DM.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 4 2010, 12:30 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Sep 4 2010, 12:12 PM) *
That is BS. Ambrosini is very good in a lot of things. Why can't you see that? He showed it more than obvious in the first half against Lecce, just to give a recent example.

It's only Lecce? Okay, he showed it also against Real. And the list goes on and on.

And now you come with that burn out stuff again. That's why Ambrosini needs to play less often than last season when he played almost every minute. Some sort of rotation is needed, but for sure he needs to be our regular DM, since he is our best DM.

Yes it's only against Lecce. Against Real last season it was still early in the season, which again points to my earlier comments regarding the need for regular rotation. But look at his Man U and Inter performances, all those occasions he got trampled on, thus we lose the midfield, which results in us losing the game. Point to me other big games last season that Ambro dominated the midfield, especially ones later in the season...

I didn't say Ambro couldn't do anything but head the ball rolleyes.gif I said that the only thing he really kicks Flamini's @ss at is that attribute. Both are decent ball passers, have a good tackle, Ambro might be stronger physically but Flamini is faster. Imo their pros and cons balance eachother out. And if Allegri is as smart as I think he is he will use both to his advantage, thus playing the appropriate DM in the appropriate game.

Lecce let Pirlo and Ambro have a field day in the midfield. And my point isn't really saying that Ambro is not good enough to play the big games. My point is to rotate him and Flamini effectively, thus not burning either of them out. Last season Ambro's biggest problem was that he was dead tired by the time we reached January, and it will happen again this season if he's constantly played, especially when we're playing 2 games a week. Thus Flamini getting ready to be a regular in the future. I don't know why you're being so defensive about it. It's only natural that this will happen, Ambro cannot keep playing constantly, especially not at his age and in the position he plays, and whether the player who replaces him is Flamini or someone else, it has to happen eventually.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 4 2010, 12:46 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 4 2010, 12:30 PM) *
I said that the only thing he really kicks Flamini's @ss at is that attribute.

Nonsense too. He tackles better, better vision, better concentration, mentally he is miles ahead, etc etc...

The whole team was awful against Inter. Unbelievable you mention this. (And you think of the 2nd match he played as defender against ManU also, right?) In the big games Ambrosini is usually awesome, and I don't see Flamini doing the same.

We agree about some sort of rotation, but you fail to rate/compare him/them correctly IMO, and find BS reasons to make him look less good.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 4 2010, 01:08 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Sep 4 2010, 12:46 PM) *
Nonsense too. He tackles better, better vision, better concentration, mentally he is miles ahead, etc etc...

The whole team was awful against Inter. Unbelievable you mention this. (And you think of the 2nd match he played as defender against ManU also, right?) In the big games Ambrosini is usually awesome, and I don't see Flamini doing the same.

We agree about some sort of rotation, but you fail to rate/compare him/them correctly IMO, and find BS reasons to make him look less good.

That's your oppinion. To say mine is nonsense is ridiculous just because I don't agree with you rolleyes.gif

I wasn't thinking about that Inter game but the second. And against Man U (both games) he got overrun in the midfield, second leg against Man U he only played the second half as a defender, the first half he was in the midfield and one of our worsth players. Why? Because he lost his form due to over playing. Notice all those games mentioned being in the later part of the season. Also I don't see how this is me trying to make Ambro look bad rolleyes.gif In fact it's more Leo's fault for not playing Flamini more and keeping Ambro in better fitness, thus retaining his excellent form for longer...

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 4 2010, 01:44 PM

I agree about Ambrosini playing some bad games late in the season since he got over played. I disagree about your way of comparing Ambrosini and Flamini though, which does make him less good than he is IMO. You said he was only aerial better, while you forgot maybe the most important thing: he is mentally far better also. And then still we are forgetting things. As DM is he obvious better.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 4 2010, 01:08 PM) *
In fact it's more Leo's fault for not playing Flamini more and keeping Ambro in better fitness, thus retaining his excellent form for longer...

Agreed.

Posted by: Dracoris Sep 4 2010, 02:12 PM

Ambro is definitely better, but its a necessity Flamini gets some solid playing time this year. Ambro got very tired around January and it was glaringly obvious.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 4 2010, 02:18 PM

Look guys, the matter is very simple: right now Ambro is much better than Flamini, I think we can all agree on that. Should Ambro play every single match? No. They should be rotated constantly in order to give Ambro some breathing space and also give Flamini important minutes of play time. That's it.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 4 2010, 02:22 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Sep 4 2010, 12:44 PM) *
I disagree about your way of comparing Ambrosini and Flamini though, which does make him less good than he is IMO. You said he was only aerial better, while you forgot maybe the most important thing: he is mentally far better also. And then still we are forgetting things. As DM is he obvious better.

It's personal prefernce. Atm no, Flamini isn't better then Ambro, and I never really said that anywhere in my posts. But the gap isn't as large as you're implying. The areal ability is something that Ambro wins hands down at, the other aspects of their game are more debatable. Which is why I mentioned that ability of Ambro's as for me, that's the biggest standout win for him. Other areas some Ambro is better at, Flamini at others. Ambro does tend to do stupid things as well, so he isn't perfect, but he does have a lot more experiance then Flamini, so the mantality thing you have a point on.

Flamini was one of the best DMs in the EPL a couple of years ago, he killed us in the midfield when we played Arsenal. Then he got here and Carlo never played him, because he had this obsession with always fielding Ambro-Pirlo-Rino in the midfield, obviously he can't keep up his performances when he's barely playing and then be expected to just come in and play amazing. Then Leo again had his fixed formation and 11 and never included him until the last 2/3 months of the season when it was becoming apparent that Ambro just couldn't keep up anymore.

So to say that Ambro is the obvious better DM to me is a stretch. Atm yes he is better, but not by far. Next season he'll be 34, which is why we can't expect him to be in top form throughout a season. That's why I'm also concerned with Flamini being at his best for us and integrating himself fully into the team. And in order to do that he needs to start playing more.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 4 2010, 03:39 PM

I believe we are discussing details here. We all want rotation, because we all believe Ambrosini should not play as much as last season (but he should be our regular DM), and we all want Flamini to play more games. Flamini won't only backup Ambrosini, but also Boateng (if he preforms well enough to be a starter, I do hope so). So IMO Flamini can play a lot without being an actual starter (but will start many games).

Posted by: han2503 Sep 4 2010, 04:21 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Sep 4 2010, 02:39 PM) *
I believe we are discussing details here. We all want rotation, because we all believe Ambrosini should not play as much as last season (but he should be our regular DM), and we all want Flamini to play more games. Flamini won't only backup Ambrosini, but also Boateng (if he preforms well enough to be a starter, I do hope so). So IMO Flamini can play a lot without being an actual starter (but will start many games).

Agreed there

Although I don't know how much Boateng will start as opposed to Seedorf. Allegri so far has given the impression that Seedorf will be a starter for most games. We'll see...

Imo Seedorf right now can only play 45 minutes, after that his performance just drops. Like we saw against Lecce where in the second half he was making a lot of mistakes

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 4 2010, 04:29 PM

I don't like the idea of Seedorf being a starter (of course he can start some games, but not too often). IMO Seedorf's best at backing up Pirlo. So during games he can sub Pirlo, he can start games when Pirlo can't or need rest, but also he can sub in for a different/defensive midfielder when we need a more attacking midfield to find a goal.

So I hope Allegri played Seedorf a lot because Boateng arrived late in pre-season, and Flamini having sort of injuries?

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 4 2010, 05:10 PM

What about Gattuso? tongue.gif

Posted by: han2503 Sep 4 2010, 06:30 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Sep 4 2010, 04:29 PM) *
I don't like the idea of Seedorf being a starter (of course he can start some games, but not too often). IMO Seedorf's best at backing up Pirlo. So during games he can sub Pirlo, he can start games when Pirlo can't or need rest, but also he can sub in for a different/defensive midfielder when we need a more attacking midfield to find a goal.

So I hope Allegri played Seedorf a lot because Boateng arrived late in pre-season, and Flamini having sort of injuries?

Who knows really, if this was Carlo, I'd tell you that Seedorf is a definate starter. But Allegri doesn't strike me as a guy who looks to seniority/personal like towards a player to judge who he picks. I think he'll be using Seedorf against the smaller teams, but against tougher teams we will most probably see Boateng/Flamini with Pirlo and Ambro

Also I don't really like Seedorf in the centre role, he's best at playing in that left side of the midfield 3 imo.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 4 2010, 05:10 PM) *
What about Gattuso? tongue.gif

Hey don't mock Rino! He was making juggling assists against Lecce biggrin.gif

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 5 2010, 02:20 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 4 2010, 06:30 PM) *
Also I don't really like Seedorf in the centre role, he's best at playing in that left side of the midfield 3 imo.

Whenever Seedorf played Pirlo's role, he impressed me, but he also can play as attacking midfielder both in the centre as wide. If we play our 4-3-3 I hope to see a playmaker (Pirlo, Seedorf, Fossati), a DM (Ambrosini, Flamini, Gattuso, Strasser), and someone who offers pace and hopefully also movement (Boateng, Flamini, Merkel).

Against weaker teams, or when we are not winning during a game you can play with both a playmaker (Pirlo) and an attacking midfielder (Seedorf). Else I hope Ibrahimovic will do partly the attacking midfield role (then Pato can go to CF position), but also Ronaldinho can do that partly. Let's say I want to see a lot of movement, which I believe we had against Lecce. I believe Allegri will do a great job here.

Posted by: Dracoris Sep 5 2010, 08:10 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Sep 5 2010, 09:20 AM) *
Whenever Seedorf played Pirlo's role, he impressed me, but he also can play as attacking midfielder both in the centre as wide. If we play our 4-3-3 I hope to see a playmaker (Pirlo, Seedorf, Fossati), a DM (Ambrosini, Flamini, Gattuso, Strasser), and someone who offers pace and hopefully also movement (Boateng, Flamini, Merkel).

Against weaker teams, or when we are not winning during a game you can play with both a playmaker (Pirlo) and an attacking midfielder (Seedorf). Else I hope Ibrahimovic will do partly the attacking midfield role (then Pato can go to CF position), but also Ronaldinho can do that partly. Let's say I want to see a lot of movement, which I believe we had against Lecce. I believe Allegri will do a great job here.


I think Seedorf is the best Pirlo 'alternative' we have. But my solution would be not to play with a Deep lying playmaker like Pirlo if he's out. Something like this:

CF
LS-------RS
Mid------------Mid
Def. Mid
WB DC DC WB
Goal


As Opposed to

CF
LS-----------RS
Mid Pirlo Mid
WB DC DC WB
Goal


Let Strasser/Ambro/Gattuso play as a heavy Def. Mid and let the other Mids take a slightly more attacking role. With Pirlo out, he won't need any bodyguards if a bodyguard is playing his position.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 6 2010, 01:37 PM

We are again linked with Poli
http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=33682

And following Sotiris Ninis
http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=33711

Posted by: samira Sep 6 2010, 06:45 PM

well Van der Vaart is gone to tottenham and Im thinking Bale would be awesome as a defender or midfielder.

Posted by: TheOgre Sep 6 2010, 07:37 PM

we already have a LB we should focus on getting a RB

Posted by: abanovac Sep 8 2010, 03:16 PM

andrea poli !

Posted by: agenth Sep 19 2010, 11:15 PM

what about Hernanes or Pastore?


Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 19 2010, 11:29 PM

I already have a list ( it will be updated with time tongue.gif) :

Philippe Mexes for defence.
One RB (i don't have a name for that position.)
One creative/playmaker (Ledesma/Poli/Xavi/Alonso/Aquilani/Montolivo/etc...)

Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 19 2010, 11:30 PM

well we don't have a non-eu spot anymore so any signings will have to have a Eu Passport.

Exception to this rule is players based in Italy. We buy from another Italian club it doesn't matter if the player has a pass or not.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 19 2010, 11:56 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 20 2010, 12:30 AM) *
well we don't have a non-eu spot anymore so any signings will have to have a Eu Passport.

huh, who was our non-EU signing ?

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 20 2010, 12:06 AM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Sep 19 2010, 10:56 PM) *
huh, who was our non-EU signing ?

Burno Montelongo

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 20 2010, 12:10 AM

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 20 2010, 01:06 AM) *
Burno Montelongo


The Great Bruno Montelongo!

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 20 2010, 12:26 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 19 2010, 11:10 PM) *
The Great Bruno Montelongo!


I'd like to see him playing. But first he has to beat Bonera, Zambrotta, Papastathopoulos and Abate for that position. I predict he will play no more than 2 games.

Good we have it, after one season there will not be Zambrotta and Bonera.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 20 2010, 12:51 AM

I think he's on loan, and he's probably going back to his club at the end of the season.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 20 2010, 12:56 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 20 2010, 12:51 AM) *
I think he's on loan, and he's probably going back to his club at the end of the season.


Look up http://acmilan-shqip.org/sq/lajme/milani-ka-transferuar-bruno-montelongon/.

But it says he has Italian passport. so ? dunnosmiley.gif

Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 20 2010, 02:28 AM

Since new rules have been implemented, we only get 1 non eu per season.


Our non eu was robinho.

Posted by: agenth Sep 20 2010, 08:56 AM

i thought Robinho had double passport Brazilian and Spanish?

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 20 2010, 02:09 PM

Robinho has got a Spanish passport, so he is EU. And I highly doubt Montelongo has used our non-EU spot. I'm pretty sure he's EU too somehow. (Loans count also as non-EU if anyone wonders that.)

So I guess we still got our non-EU token.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 20 2010, 02:46 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Sep 20 2010, 01:09 PM) *
Robinho has got a Spanish passport, so he is EU. And I highly doubt Montelongo has used our non-EU spot. I'm pretty sure he's EU too somehow. (Loans count also as non-EU if anyone wonders that.)

So I guess we still got our non-EU token.

I was thinking about Boateng but I presume he has a German passport. I guess we still have a spot. I don't really think we're going to use it. And either way who can we really bring in that is quality and can start games for us immediately? We need a top CM and a top FB. But I can't see us getting either, at least not in the winter window

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 20 2010, 03:27 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 20 2010, 03:46 PM) *
I was thinking about Boateng but I presume he has a German passport. I guess we still have a spot. I don't really think we're going to use it. And either way who can we really bring in that is quality and can start games for us immediately? We need a top CM and a top FB. But I can't see us getting either, at least not in the winter window

Of course Boateng got a German passport. We will use the non-EU spot. Question is for a cheap prospect or a more serious signing. In January it's a good time to sign players from Brazil.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 20 2010, 03:28 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 20 2010, 06:46 PM) *
I was thinking about Boateng but I presume he has a German passport. I guess we still have a spot. I don't really think we're going to use it. And either way who can we really bring in that is quality and can start games for us immediately? We need a top CM and a top FB. But I can't see us getting either, at least not in the winter window

Word. king.gif The only way I see this happening is if we are title contenders (or league leaders) by January, in with a real chance, and the board gets very serious to win the Scudetto. That's our only chance, and realistically speaking that is less than 1%. Still too early to call anything, really.

Posted by: William405 Sep 20 2010, 03:34 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 20 2010, 04:46 PM) *
I was thinking about Boateng but I presume he has a German passport. I guess we still have a spot. I don't really think we're going to use it. And either way who can we really bring in that is quality and can start games for us immediately? We need a top CM and a top FB. But I can't see us getting either, at least not in the winter window




Ganso!!!

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 20 2010, 05:03 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 20 2010, 04:34 PM) *
Ganso!!!


Pastore!!!

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 20 2010, 05:07 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 20 2010, 06:03 PM) *
Pastore!!!

He wouldn't be a non-EU signing -> FAIL! tongue.gif

Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 20 2010, 07:54 PM

yup he is my mistake blush.gif


anyways the non-eu spot is still available I guess. Dzeko anyone devil.gif

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 20 2010, 08:02 PM

Dzeko in January? Very unlikely. Next summer makes more sense (which would be next season's non-EU signing), and even that I don't see happening. No, I think we going to fish in South America in January.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 20 2010, 08:46 PM

With Ibra, we can forget about Dzeko like forever. Better sign a really good AM and a RB.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 20 2010, 09:09 PM

QUOTE
Coates arrival no longer a certain


SEBASTIAN COATES is no longer close to Milan.

It seemed like a close deal, but now it appears that things have changed, and Nacional defender Coates is increasingly getting further away.

The 19-year-old Uruguayan has been likened to Inter defender Lucio and is considered as one of the most promising players in world football.

Milan revive interest in Lazzari
Seedorf: ‘We need a month in order to be Milan’

There is no confirmation on this issue, still, but according to reports, Coates is unlikely to wear Black & Red colors in January, unlike what was first reported here on Rossoneriblog.com, on September 03.

Milan are looking for a defender who could succeed Alessandro Nesta, and if Coates will actually not arrive in the winter, Milan will reportedly to go for A.S. Roma man, Philippe Mexes.


source: rossoneriblog

QUOTE
Milan revive interest in Lazzari


ANDREA LAZZARI is once again a Milan target.

AC Milan coach Massimiliano Allegri has turned his intentions to Cagliari Calcio midfielder Lazzari, as he’s looking for alternatives to ageing midfielders Clarence Seedorf, Andrea Pirlo and Massimo Ambrosini.

Lazzari was linked with the Rossoneri in the summer, but Cagliari President Massimo Cellino claimed he won’t sell his 25-year-old, but it appears to be a row between Andrea and Coach Pierpaolo Bisoli.

Seedorf: ‘We need a month in order to be Milan’
Milan 1 – 1 Catania

Allegri and Lazzari have worked together for two years, and the Italian, who can play also as a left-winger, has admitted that Allegri has an important part in his career.

Lazzari is estimated at €8 million.


source: rossoneriblog

Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 20 2010, 10:28 PM

that would be a shame if we lose coates. He's good.



Maybe we'll sign honda in january.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 20 2010, 10:30 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 20 2010, 10:28 PM) *
that would be a shame if we lose coates. He's good.



Maybe we'll sign honda in january.


Source ? tongue.gif

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 20 2010, 10:32 PM

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 20 2010, 11:30 PM) *
Source ? tongue.gif

source: CHU-LIP biggrin.gif

Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 20 2010, 11:38 PM

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 20 2010, 03:30 PM) *
Source ? tongue.gif


Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 21 2010, 08:34 AM

I think Bale is pretty good LB/LM and if FM is anything to go by then he is also an acceptable RB when trained tongue.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: elcordobez Sep 21 2010, 09:58 AM

Toni Kroos

http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item502601/Toni-Kroos-to-replace-Lampard/

It's not big news yet but just a few places reporting Chelsea are interested in him,if he's available Milan should perhaps should jump in.

Posted by: Suhail 3 Sep 21 2010, 04:05 PM

tbh guys i think we can only hope for a free transfer or perhaps one midfielder in the winter transfer. I cant see galliani an berlu splashing out again, they will feel like they have done what they could for this side and so its down to the coach if he really feels we need another midfielder or a fulllback

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2010, 09:15 PM

I don't have high expectations for January, although a decent RB would be appreciated. My hopes are all turned to next summer and to the many contracts that are about to expire. I really hope the club doesn't renew ANY of them.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2010, 09:42 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 21 2010, 09:15 PM) *
I don't have high expectations for January, although a decent RB would be appreciated. My hopes are all turned to next summer and to the many contracts that are about to expire. I really hope the club doesn't renew ANY of them.

Do you know who's contract is about to end?

Janku is the only one I'm sure of

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2010, 09:48 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 21 2010, 10:42 PM) *
Do you know who's contract is about to end?

Janku is the only one I'm sure of


Well, I'm sure only about Janku, Ambro, Seedorf, Dinho and Inzaghi. Pirlo and Nesta could be there as well.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 21 2010, 09:49 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 21 2010, 09:42 PM) *
Do you know who's contract is about to end?

Janku is the only one I'm sure of


Ronaldinho too.

I'm not sure about Ambrosini.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 21 2010, 10:22 PM

Inzaghi, Ambrosini, Jankulovski, Seedorf, Ronaldinho, Nesta, Abbiati and Roma.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 21 2010, 10:23 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 21 2010, 09:48 PM) *
Well, I'm sure only about Janku, Ambro, Seedorf, Dinho and Inzaghi. Pirlo and Nesta could be there as well.

Janku and Inzaghi imo should definately not Renew.

Pirlo and Nesta we still need.

Seedorf, Dinho and Ambro I'm on the fence when it comes to them. Especially Dinho.

You can't really expect that we not renew with all those players, that would leave a gaping hole that would need filling in too short a time.

Imo next summer's strategy should be, let Pippo and Janku go, bring in Paloschi back from Parma and buy a top FB. Renew with Seedorf and Ambro for another season (just 1) and give them a backup role, imo not used often and as rotation players you really can't ask for anything better. Bring in a quality CM to be a starter next to Flamini and Pirlo/Boateng

Pirlo, Dinho and Nesta can be extended for another 2 seasons. Pirlo and Dinho compared to the others still have more time, but we can't burn them out like we've been doing, especially Pirlo, plus we could still get top dollar if we sell Dinho just before that extension ends to some UAE/US team. Nesta is timeless, no matter his age, plus rotating him regularly with Sokratis will let the Greek get more adjusted without any added pressure. An AM should be brought in as well, so we can have a more flxible system.

Imo this will fix most of our problems. We can't just get rid of the players who have been the core of this team for nearly a decade now, imo it will just create more problems then solve them. I know this should have started to be done a few seasons ago, but now it's done, the mistake is already made no use taking such drastic measures that could easily backfire on us

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 21 2010, 11:40 PM

Agreed about Nesta and Pirlo. As for Seedorf and Ambro, they'll be 35 and 34 respectively next year. I really think we should stop this mania of keeping boiled players, regardless of how much they've given us or what they represent for the club. One or two is alright, but more than that is just too much. And Dinho should take a hike. tongue.gif

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 22 2010, 06:10 AM

I'd definitely keep Pippo. He can play till he's 40. I think he'd agree to a pay as you play deal too. Post that give him a couple of years off and then put him in the coaching staff.

When he's coach, he'll teach Mourinho and Maradona a thing or two about how to celebrate victories. biggrin.gif

For me I'd renew (if I was Galliani)-

Pirlo - 2 years 3.5 million wage + bonuses
Nesta -Ditto
Zee - 1 year rolling extension like the one Paolo had (he might refuse and go full time into his charity works)
Pippo - Ditto
Ambro - 2 years
R80 - Like Silvio leaves us a choice. But I'd like him to stay for now. Maybe my opinion will change end of the season.

I really want to see us bring some youngsters in proper. Fossati should be in within 2 years I hope...if Bluey's opinion of him is to be believed.

Robinho's young. So is Pato. Ibra's got another 4 years left of football at a comparable level (touch wood). We can bring in Verdi and Beretta (who still reminds me of a rather out-of-form Bobo Vieri)..Strasser too to actually play.

Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 22 2010, 07:30 AM

I think what will happen most likely at the end of this season is that.


1)Ronaldinho will be gone. We brought in Robinho to compensate for dinho's imminent departure. We can't compete with the states and the Arab countries. He would make too much. At this point only one player can make over 5mand imo that should be ibra.


2) Inzaghi will retire as soon as he breaks the record he wants so it could be this year or it could be another year added on.

3) Seedorf is an interesting one. It will depend on how merkel is feeling. If allegri is our coach next year and sees merkel ready enough to step up then we'll most likely either offer seedorf little money for a renewal which will he will refuse or we will renew him if we have no better options. I think seedorf is done this year as he will be 35 when the campaign is over.

4) Pirlo and Gattuso are here until 2012 so they're contracts will not be tampered with.

5) Ambrosini will get another year extention with a wage cut.

6) Nesta will get an extention as well for another year if he accepts another year. He might retire at the end of the campaign. It depends on how healthy he is. If he's injured alot this year, we could see him call it quits. If he stays relatively healthy he might do another year.

7) Roma's contract will be extended. Our 3rd string keepers usually stay around for years. He'll probably retire here.

8) Amelia's loan deal. It will be interesting what we will do. It all depends on abbiati. If he gets injured and amelia fills in and does good we might end up signing him permanently. But if abbiati is healthy the whole year I doubt we'll sign amelia.

9) Boateng will most likely be bought out. He's staying. Fans love him, coach loves him and he doesnt make too much. Good deal.

10) Jankulovski out.

11) We will not buy out montelongo. He'll end his loan and go back.

12) Onyewu could get sold or loaned.

13) Some of the guys out on loan/co-own could be brought back.



Team next year most likely imo:


GK: Abbiati, Amelia, Roma = 3

DEF: Bonera, Zambrotta, Oddo, Antonini, Sokratis, nesta, Darmian, Silva, Yepes [new signing] =10

MID: Ambrosini, Gattuso, Pirlo, Flamini, Boateng, Strasser, Merkel, Abate, [new signing] = 9

FW: Paloschi, Verdi, Robinho, Ibra, Pato, Odu =6


=28 players


Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 22 2010, 07:34 AM

I think Oddo is leaving. We shouldn't need more than 25 people right?

Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 22 2010, 07:35 AM

What I wish we did though was this:


GK: Abbiati, Amelia, Roma

DEF: Bonera, Antonini, Sokratis, Nesta, Darmian, Silva [New Signing *2]=8

MID: Pirlo, Flamini, Boateng, Strasser, Merkel, Abate, [new signing *2]=8

FW: Ibra, Pato, Robinho, Paloschi, Verdi, Odu=6


=25 Players. Less is sometimes more in football.

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 22 2010, 12:34 AM) *
I think Oddo is leaving. We shouldn't need more than 25 people right?

Oddo and zambrotta have contracts that run out until 2012. They had their current contract that ran out in the summer extended for another year and the money they'd recieve in 1 year they'll recieve in 2 instead. dry.gif

Galliani buying time for youth to come out. Especially some quality fullbacks we have coming up.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 22 2010, 07:53 AM

Zambrotta staying I can understand...he plays for us..and does a decent job. Oddo is not even considered 90% of the time. He really should do a Kaladze.

I really don't think R80 will leave either..unless his dynamic with the team changes a lot.

Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 22 2010, 08:11 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 22 2010, 12:53 AM) *
Zambrotta staying I can understand...he plays for us..and does a decent job. Oddo is not even considered 90% of the time. He really should do a Kaladze.

I really don't think R80 will leave either..unless his dynamic with the team changes a lot.

I just don't think he'll stay another year.


The fanastic 4 thing never ever works out and someone always ends up leaving. I think it will be either Ronaldinho or Pato.

Posted by: MizNelson Sep 22 2010, 01:54 PM

Abs recently turned 33 and is a long-term question mark because of his recent injury problems. (Weren't we saying the same about Dida not too long ago?) It's only been three games, but he hasn't been anything special so far. Therefore, attempting to keep Amelia beyond this season might not be a bad idea.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 22 2010, 02:15 PM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Sep 22 2010, 01:54 PM) *
Abs recently turned 33 and is a long-term question mark because of his recent injury problems. (Weren't we saying the same about Dida not too long ago?) It's only been three games, but he hasn't been anything special so far. Therefore, attempting to keep Amelia beyond this season might not be a bad idea.

Agreed

Posted by: acid911 Sep 22 2010, 02:19 PM

Word. smile.gif We'll be needing a worthy keeper soon enough. Abbiati and Amelia are A, the club deserves an A+. Someone like the caliber of Dida, Buffon, Caesar, Casilas. Someone who can save us 5-10 points through the course of a season. And did I say soon?

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 22 2010, 03:33 PM

My wishes for next season:

OUT: Onyewu, Oddo, Jankulovski, Gattuso, Ambrosini, Seedorf, Ronaldinho, Inzaghi.

IN: Rafinha, Paloschi.

STARTING LINE-UP (4-3-3)

Amelia
Rafinha - Nesta - T. Silva - Antonini
Boateng - Pirlo - Flamini
Robinho - Ibrahimovic - Pato


SUBS

Abbiati
Bonera
Sokratis
Yepes
Zambrotta
Abate
De Vito
Fossati
Strasser
Merkel
Verdi
Oduamadi
Paloschi


Yes, I've had it with our boiled, old players and am willing to give our Primavera a big chance. It'd be youth mixed with experience, just like we love it.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 22 2010, 04:09 PM

That's a very weak second string.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 22 2010, 04:20 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 22 2010, 05:09 PM) *
That's a very weak second string.


Frankly, I'd rather have them than Oddo, Gattuso and Seedorf.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 22 2010, 04:50 PM

Ok. unsure.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 22 2010, 05:14 PM

OK, maybe I overdid it a bit with the youngsters. But the oldies must leave!

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 22 2010, 05:15 PM

Ok. laugh.gif

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 22 2010, 06:13 PM

Wait, no Ambrosini ?! Let's just say Flamini/Boateng/Pirlo breaks his leg just one week before CHL final. Who'd you play instead of him ?

We need a RB, CB, DM, Playmaker and one CM.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 22 2010, 06:35 PM

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 22 2010, 07:13 PM) *
Wait, no Ambrosini ?! Let's just say Flamini/Boateng/Pirlo breaks his leg just one week before CHL final. Who'd you play instead of him ?

Apparently Merkel or Strasser? No, I agree with you.

I would offer Ambrosini an one year extension on lower salary, but if he refuses the offered lower wage he can go and leave. Most older players can leave no doubt.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 22 2010, 06:58 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2010, 02:33 PM) *
My wishes for next season:

OUT: Onyewu, Oddo, Jankulovski, Gattuso, Ambrosini, Seedorf, Ronaldinho, Inzaghi.

IN: Rafinha, Paloschi.

STARTING LINE-UP (4-3-3)

Amelia
Rafinha - Nesta - T. Silva - Antonini
Boateng - Pirlo - Flamini
Robinho - Ibrahimovic - Pato


SUBS

Abbiati
Bonera
Sokratis
Yepes
Zambrotta
Abate
De Vito
Fossati
Strasser
Merkel
Verdi
Oduamadi
Paloschi


Yes, I've had it with our boiled, old players and am willing to give our Primavera a big chance. It'd be youth mixed with experience, just like we love it.


Imo that is way too weak, certainly not Serie A/CL winning material. If you want to win those you need depth and experiance, and outside of the first 11 we don't have that.

Imo if we have this squad for next season we'll be real contenders

GK: Amelia, Roma, Abbiati

DF: Nesta, Sokratis, Zambrotta, Thiago, Antonini, Bonera, RB, LB, CB

MD: Seedorf, Pirlo, Ambro, Boateng, Flamini, Abate, CM, DM, AM

FD: Pato, Robinho, Ibra, Dinho, Paloschi, Odu

Starting 11:

RB--Neta--Thiago--Antonini/LB
Flamini--Pirlo--Boateng/CM
Pato--Ibra--Dinho/Robinho

Second String:

Zambro
Antonini/New LB
Sokratis
Bonera
New CB
Seedorf
Ambro
Abate
Boateng/New CM
New DM
New AM
Dinho/Robinho
Paloachi
Odu


Imo this is real strength in depth, depth that would carry us throughout an entire season. Seedorf, Ambro, Zambro, Dinho, Pirlo, all imo are still top class as long as they aren't burnt out, like they are now.



Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 22 2010, 07:06 PM

That new DM you got should be Strasser, han. He is one of our better youngsters, and he along Ambrosini and Flamini, we got good DM options.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 22 2010, 07:25 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Sep 22 2010, 07:06 PM) *
That new DM you got should be Strasser, han. He is one of our better youngsters, and he along Ambrosini and Flamini, we got good DM options.

I agree, but he needs to be given a chance, if he's constantly going to be overlooked then I'd prefer we'd go on the market and buy one, then play some ridiculous formation in order to avoid playing the youngster

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 22 2010, 07:29 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 22 2010, 07:58 PM) *
Imo that is way too weak, certainly not Serie A/CL winning material. If you want to win those you need depth and experiance, and outside of the first 11 we don't have that.

Imo if we have this squad for next season we'll be real contenders

GK: Amelia, Roma, Abbiati

DF: Nesta, Sokratis, Zambrotta, Thiago, Antonini, Bonera, RB, LB, CB

MD: Seedorf, Pirlo, Ambro, Boateng, Flamini, Abate, CM, DM, AM

FD: Pato, Robinho, Ibra, Dinho, Paloschi, Odu

Starting 11:

RB--Neta--Thiago--Antonini/LB
Flamini--Pirlo--Boateng/CM
Pato--Ibra--Dinho/Robinho

Second String:

Zambro
Antonini/New LB
Sokratis
Bonera
New CB
Seedorf
Ambro
Abate
Boateng/New CM
New DM
New AM
Dinho/Robinho
Paloachi
Odu


Imo this is real strength in depth, depth that would carry us throughout an entire season. Seedorf, Ambro, Zambro, Dinho, Pirlo, all imo are still top class as long as they aren't burnt out, like they are now.


Well, I would agree with you on the spot, but I really can't see our board making six new signings like that.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 22 2010, 07:39 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2010, 06:29 PM) *
Well, I would agree with you on the spot, but I really can't see our board making six new signings like that.

Well those are signings we need. And if they neglect them again for another season we can have God himself in attack, it really wouldn't matter.

We'll see what happens. Most pobably we'll be seeing the same old midfield trio for another season, huffing and puffing without accomplishing anything. The tragedy that is Oddo still in the team, etc, etc.

All those youngsters you mentioned are never going to be considered direct second choice, and imo I doubt there are more then 3 players that you mentioned who will even be good enough.

Posted by: Linkman Sep 22 2010, 10:57 PM

...so, just as a little market research, are there any good coaches currently unemployed? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 22 2010, 11:02 PM

QUOTE (Linkman @ Sep 22 2010, 03:57 PM) *
...so, just as a little market research, are there any good coaches currently unemployed? rolleyes.gif

none. Still too early. I say give allegri until november. its still has only been 4 games.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 22 2010, 11:06 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 23 2010, 12:02 AM) *
none. Still too early. I say give allegri until november. its still has only been 4 games.


No man, let's give him time until January. Hell, let's give him time until May! rolleyes.gif

Last season, at this point, Leo done better than Allegri by having a much more pathetic team. Says all.

Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 22 2010, 11:08 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2010, 04:06 PM) *
No man, let's give him time until January. Hell, let's give him time until May! rolleyes.gif

Last season, at this point, Leo done better than Allegri by having a much more pathetic team. Says all.

There is no one else available who could coach milan right now. Who do you want Tassotti? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 22 2010, 11:10 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 23 2010, 12:08 AM) *
There is no one else available who could coach milan right now. Who do you want Tassotti? rolleyes.gif


I don't want anyone. I just don't find it logical you saying "Let's give him time until November". By then, Inter will be throwing darts at us from a 20 point difference. Allegri should provide results now, and fast!

Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 22 2010, 11:20 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 22 2010, 04:10 PM) *
I don't want anyone. I just don't find it logical you saying "Let's give him time until November". By then, Inter will be throwing darts at us from a 20 point difference. Allegri should provide results now, and fast!

Not going to happen. He's shocking and its shown he should have went to lazio or another mid table club first.

Its clear hes not ready for this level of pressure yet. Right now our only option is to hope that things get changed and quick.


If we sack him we'll be in a far worst position if we bring someone of equal calibre. Only way we can sack him is if there someone of ancelotti or mourinho level available. Someone like hiddink but he doesn't like Italy so he's not in the picture.


Sacking him and bringing Van Basten won't make a difference.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 23 2010, 05:59 AM

Capello. cool.gif I made a post in the match thread about it.

Posted by: Protagonist Sep 23 2010, 06:44 AM

I think people are just over reacting, had we won the last three Serie A games, they wouldn't be discussing the state of the midfield/defense.

It is the start of the season, form has always been low at this point and picks up by the end of September. Sure we could have won all the games, but form would still be low.

I agree with the notion that Seedorf and co. should give way to younger players with more to give, but younger players don't have the vision to release Ibrahimovic (Lazio v Milan 66min) like that. And hence bias could be derived from hindsight.

I think the fact that Boateng had broken into the first team speaks volumes in the direction the club is taking when bringing in fresh legs to aid the team.

Moreover, people are pointing out the short coming of Allegri, someone who has never held the rains of a massive club like ours. He needs time, his ideas are fresh while the fact teams we faced so far defend in numbers is not enough for us to pass judgment on him just yet. Last season, we only realised Leonardo's ability when we faced Madrid, prior to that we were a midtable team at best.

In closing, we just need time for form to pick up, the team and Ibrahimovic to familiarize, and Allegri to perfect a line up and formation.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 23 2010, 07:10 AM

Yes I agree. But at some point we need to say this much time and no more. Which is pretty much why bluey and I are saying November.

Get a new coach in, so that by December, he's got an idea of the team and any shortcomings can be remedied.

I think Capello is best..but probably impossible. And not better in the long run. Rijkaard is unavailable. Hiddink doesn't like Italy. Anyone wants to call Tabarez back? Maybe he'll be better this time round. biggrin.gif

You're not considering Van Basten and/or Donadoni seriously right?

Posted by: Linkman Sep 23 2010, 07:23 AM

-1 v. Basten and Donadoni...

Yes guys, all you've said is true. But criticism of Allegri is definitely in order, mainly because most of it is completely unrelated to the new signings. Boateng on the wing, the unexplainable late subs, his devotion to Seedorf and Bonera... If it were up to me, I wouldn't sack him after 3 bad games either. But still.

Oh, and anybody feels lucky enough to open the Genoa thread? I would, but I don't think I've been here long enough... tongue.gif

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 23 2010, 07:30 AM

QUOTE (Linkman @ Sep 23 2010, 12:53 PM) *
-1 v. Basten and Donadoni...

Yes guys, all you've said is true. But criticism of Allegri is definitely in order, mainly because most of it is completely unrelated to the new signings. Boateng on the wing, the unexplainable late subs, his devotion to Seedorf and Bonera... If it were up to me, I wouldn't sack him after 3 bad games either. But still.

Oh, and anybody feels lucky enough to open the Genoa thread? I would, but I don't think I've been here long enough... tongue.gif


Well he did say right at the beginning that he was trying to for the 4-4-2. We needed to see if it would work..and we know it does and doesn't. smile.gif

In a way it works, because the problem the 4-3-3 has with counters is solved, and it doesn't because once again the conduit from defence to midfield to attack is not there.

Our biggest problem right now is the mid-field. This is where we're losing the battle...and this I think is our biggest problem.

Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 23 2010, 08:01 AM

Allegri imo is trying some weird systems out that arguably do not work.


He's trying to do the impossible. He's trying to fit in a system thats fluid with a static team. Something that won't happen.



our best bet for points has always been this. Defend with the midfield and defence, Counter with the attackers.


----


4-4-2 quick run down:


-x--x---x---x
-x---x--x---x
-----x---x----



Most common formation in the world. Easiest to stop.

Points of attack.

1)Down the wings via ground or air.

2) Strikers via ground or air.


Requirements:

1)Fast wingers

2)Fast forewards

3)Mobile midfielders with technical ability

4) Zonal defending




----

If we wanted to pull it off it would look like this at best:

-zamb-nesta-silva-antonini
-abate-boateng-flamini-robinho
----------pato--Odu




Fast wings, mobile mid with ability and fast up front.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------


with the line up in the lazio game, this wouldn't work.


Okay next on the line is 4-3-1-2 or 4-3-2-1.


We'll see how those work out. He'll try one of them this weekend forsure.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 23 2010, 08:02 AM

Time to go back to the 4-4-2 diamond. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Protagonist Sep 23 2010, 08:04 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 23 2010, 08:10 AM) *
Yes I agree. But at some point we need to say this much time and no more. Which is pretty much why bluey and I are saying November.

Get a new coach in, so that by December, he's got an idea of the team and any shortcomings can be remedied.

I think Capello is best..but probably impossible. And not better in the long run. Rijkaard is unavailable. Hiddink doesn't like Italy. Anyone wants to call Tabarez back? Maybe he'll be better this time round. biggrin.gif

You're not considering Van Basten and/or Donadoni seriously right?


I don't think we will win Serie A nor the Champions League, not this season at least.

Capello wont coach any other team along with the England job; he has a clause on his contract with England which stipulates that.

I agree with you, in that enough is enough when our stride is not found come November. But that is premature as of yet, since our performance yesterday was an improvment to the previous outings in Serie A this season (Bar 1st game). I believe the team will perform better as the season progresses, but I rule out any winning medals.

Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 23 2010, 08:07 AM

Diamond is an interesting one. I for one would be interested to see how it would work.


--x---x---x---x
-------x-------
----x-----x----
--------x-----
----x------x----



Zamb-nesta-silva-antonini
----------Pirlo-------
--Kevin----------Flamini-
--------Seedorf-------
-----Ibra------Ronaldinho-



What we lack is a good AM. If dinho could adjust their it would be brilliant.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 23 2010, 08:56 AM

Either that or a 4-2-3-1 with Pirlo in his youth team role as a playmaker.


--------------Ibra-----------
-----R80--------------Pato--
-------------Pirlo-----------
--Ambro/Flam---Flam/KPB
LB------CD------CD--------RB

The key is not in the formation, it's in the way we play it. Pirlo must play almost 70% of the time in the opposing half...also important is how well we press in the opposing half.
Pato and Pirlo can also interchange positions, seeing as how Pato running in diagonally with Pirlo shifting to the right gives us huge passing options as well as pulling defenders off.

Ideally we miss Rui Costa.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 23 2010, 05:22 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 23 2010, 09:56 AM) *
-------------Pirlo-----------
--Ambro/Flam---Flam/KPB

Boateng MUST play. Ambrosini and Flamini can fight for the DM spot.
QUOTE
The key is not in the formation, it's in the way we play it.

I fully agree. That's what I ALWAYS think.
QUOTE
Pirlo must play almost 70% of the time in the opposing half...

Pirlo shouldn't be THAT often in the opposition half. He also needs to contribute in defending, so without possession he shouldn't be so much up front.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 23 2010, 05:28 PM

He needs to press hard...but in the other half as far as possible. If we can't defend with 2 DMs then it's hopeless.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 23 2010, 05:33 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Sep 23 2010, 06:28 PM) *
He needs to press hard...but in the other half as far as possible. If we can't defend with 2 DMs then it's hopeless.

You want 4 of our players to barely defend? 2 DM's are just 2 players...

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 23 2010, 05:36 PM

Well obviously I don't want Silva and Nesta to be chilling out and sharing a beer. biggrin.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: MilanManiac9 Sep 24 2010, 12:23 PM

Seriously, guys, I say go after Sergio Ramos. He's a good defender, plus he can score and recover for counters quickly. Plus, with Real going nuts on the transfer market, they've got to get rid of somebody.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2010, 02:18 PM

QUOTE (MilanManiac9 @ Sep 24 2010, 11:23 AM) *
Seriously, guys, I say go after Sergio Ramos. He's a good defender, plus he can score and recover for counters quickly. Plus, with Real going nuts on the transfer market, they've got to get rid of somebody.

If they get Maicon I can see them letting him go, but we won't spend the cash needed to bring in someone like him. Imo it could easily be a swap deal plus added cash with Inter for Maicon.

Posted by: William405 Sep 24 2010, 02:22 PM

It's certainly not going to be Ramos.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 24 2010, 05:18 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 24 2010, 02:18 PM) *
If they get Maicon I can see them letting him go, but we won't spend the cash needed to bring in someone like him. Imo it could easily be a swap deal plus added cash with Inter for Maicon.

Maicon - Ramos - Carvalho - Cole <-- That's what Jose wants, in my opinion, so even if he gets Maicon, I can see him keeping Ramos. Otherwise they'll be stuck with Pepe who's pretty dreadful.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 24 2010, 07:05 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 24 2010, 04:18 PM) *
Maicon - Ramos - Carvalho - Cole <-- That's what Jose wants, in my opinion, so even if he gets Maicon, I can see him keeping Ramos. Otherwise they'll be stuck with Pepe who's pretty dreadful.

Well the only time I've seen Ramos playing at CB in recent memory was on their opening matchday this season and he had a nightmare of a game there...

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 25 2010, 12:50 AM

http://www.football-italia.net/sep24m.html

Great. dry.gif

Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 25 2010, 09:51 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 24 2010, 05:50 PM) *
http://www.football-italia.net/sep24m.html

Great. dry.gif


Ronnie says...no problem son, i'm here !



Posted by: Zed.D Sep 25 2010, 12:05 PM

We should somehow try to steal Pastore.

Posted by: acid911 Sep 25 2010, 01:22 PM

I'd say kidnap him, he's that darn good. biggrin.gif Or maybe we should have gone in for Hernanes when we had the chance and we'd have had our own new Zidane. By the way I terribly hate these stupid little comparison, new this and new that. We frigging have a new Pato as well, apparently. sad.gif Pure disrespect not only to the legends, but the players themselves, not to mention the added pressure which can do without.

Having said that I do agree with the Palermo president, Pastore is a gem, and he's only getting better!

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 26 2010, 12:10 AM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 25 2010, 10:51 AM) *
Ronnie says...no problem son, i'm here !




Or rather "Big problem, I'm here!". rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 26 2010, 12:50 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 25 2010, 05:10 PM) *
Or rather "Big problem, I'm here!". rolleyes.gif


Posted by: MilanManiac9 Sep 27 2010, 12:21 PM

Well, actually, we do kinda want Nesta and Silva sharing a pint or two at the back line, 'cause that would mean a rediculously dominant (albeit rediculously un-Italian, as Andy Grey would say) attack. Especially after that disaster at Cesena, we need to be more assertive all around.

Posted by: samira Sep 27 2010, 03:53 PM

wow, Krasic did good in Juventus, damn really wanted him but forget about him aftar Robinho and Ibra but I miss Pato !

Posted by: nuh Sep 30 2010, 04:51 PM

i'm really hoping we buy pastore next summer

Posted by: han2503 Sep 30 2010, 05:02 PM

QUOTE (nuh @ Sep 30 2010, 04:51 PM) *
i'm really hoping we buy pastore next summer

Never going to happen. He'll probably go to Man City...

Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 1 2010, 07:05 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 30 2010, 10:02 AM) *
Never going to happen. He'll probably go to Man City...





http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2010/09/30/2143857/milan-to-sell-alexandre-pato-to-manchester-city-for-65

Posted by: Zed.D Oct 1 2010, 10:55 AM

^^ Wow some people will undoubtedly cream their pants at that one innocent.gif

No seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if we did sell Pato. we don't just bring in STARS. that'd be too good to be true. we ship some out as well.

Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 1 2010, 11:05 AM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Oct 1 2010, 03:55 AM) *
^^ Wow some people will undoubtedly cream their pants at that one innocent.gif

No seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if we did sell Pato. we don't just bring in STARS. that'd be too good to be true. we ship some out as well.

I'd rather sell robinho/ibra/dinho than pato.



He's still young and yes injuries do happen but he's still growing. Once he hits 23/24 and becomes consistent, we'll reap the benefits then.


The only problem is our management has no cash. I can see them shipping him out in a package deal for balotelli next season to city.




Selling Pato and keeping a$$ clowns like ibra and robinho instead would be a mistake.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 1 2010, 11:51 AM

I wonder what's more, Pato's value or the medical bills he's run up since joining?

Posted by: han2503 Oct 1 2010, 02:35 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Oct 1 2010, 10:55 AM) *
^^ Wow some people will undoubtedly cream their pants at that one innocent.gif

No seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if we did sell Pato. we don't just bring in STARS. that'd be too good to be true. we ship some out as well.

Of course, Robinho imo is Pato's stand in. He's going to be eased in, just like Dinho with Kaka

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 1 2010, 02:41 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 1 2010, 03:35 PM) *
Of course, Robinho imo is Pato's stand in. He's going to be eased in, just like Dinho with Kaka


Kaka' and Dinho couldn't play together. Pato and Robinho can easily do it. They currently do so in Brazil. One on the right, the other one on the left, and (good) ol' Dinho can have all the cheeseburgers he wants.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 1 2010, 04:16 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 1 2010, 02:41 PM) *
Kaka' and Dinho couldn't play together. Pato and Robinho can easily do it. They currently do so in Brazil. One on the right, the other one on the left, and (good) ol' Dinho can have all the cheeseburgers he wants.

We all know that had no effect on Kaka leaving. I personally believe that Dinho was brought in with the sole intention of "easing" the blow of the Kaka sale which the management knew they would have to give in to for the money.

Imo Robinho is just the same thing. This time for Pato, maybe not this coming summer, but once his price really hits the roof, he's out. And imo both are best coming in from the left, Robinho looked lost out on the right against Genoa

Posted by: CHU-LIP Oct 1 2010, 06:24 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Oct 1 2010, 08:05 AM) *

http://www.goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2010/09/30/2143857/milan-to-sell-alexandre-pato-to-manchester-city-for-65

No. Just: NO!

Posted by: han2503 Oct 1 2010, 06:48 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 1 2010, 06:24 PM) *
No. Just: NO!

It's obvious some journalist had nothing better to do

Posted by: CHU-LIP Oct 1 2010, 06:49 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 1 2010, 07:48 PM) *
It's obvious some journalist had nothing better to do

They need to do something without a brain but with a calculator and a piece of paper.

Posted by: samira Oct 1 2010, 08:23 PM

Not Pato!! Not for Gerrard !!

Posted by: han2503 Oct 1 2010, 08:30 PM

QUOTE (samira @ Oct 1 2010, 08:23 PM) *
Not Pato!! Not for Gerrard !!

You really believe that stupid rumour. And the day Stevie Me joins Milan is the day I consider switching over to the dark side rolleyes.gif

Just the tought of Pastore makes me laugh. Their lunatic of a president hates Galliani. Can't see that happening in a million years.

Sadly enough I can see the Pato transfer happen, not next summer, but some time in the near future. either Madrid or Man City.

Posted by: samira Oct 1 2010, 08:53 PM

No, ofcourse I don't believe it hahaha. If Milan turned down Fabiano for less money, they would not even think about buying Gerrard but Vertonghen would be better

Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 2 2010, 02:40 PM

According to Marca - http://www.marca.com/2010/10/02/futbol/equipos/real_madrid/1286001469.html?a=c7c213dee06d18e61ecb8788e90903d9&t=1286026553 - we are interested in Pedro Leon and will try to sign him during the visit to Madrid in about two weeks.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 2 2010, 03:25 PM

Well, we were linked with Leon some time ago. I don't see why Real would sell a player only recently purchased. Maybe a loan deal?

Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 2 2010, 03:29 PM

Aaparently he doesn't get along with the retar sorry special one.

Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 2 2010, 09:55 PM

It would be a great deal imo. It would provide us yet with another option of playing 4-4-2 if we sign him. He's quite a good player.


considering they paid only 6m for him, I think we could get him for the same amount, which would be fantastic.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 2 2010, 10:26 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Oct 2 2010, 11:55 PM) *
considering they paid only 6m for him, I think we could get him for the same amount, which would be fantastic.

€10 million

Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 3 2010, 04:13 AM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Oct 2 2010, 03:26 PM) *
€10 million

his release clause was 6m at getafe.

Posted by: Protagonist Oct 3 2010, 08:06 AM

@Bluesummers, isn't your sig picture that of our 2007 Champions League trophy party ?

Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 3 2010, 10:50 AM

QUOTE (Protagonist @ Oct 3 2010, 01:06 AM) *
@Bluesummers, isn't your sig picture that of our 2007 Champions League trophy party ?

yup devilsmiley.gif

Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 3 2010, 11:03 AM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Oct 3 2010, 07:13 AM) *
his release clause was 6m at getafe.

Don't know about the sum in his release clause but Real did bought him for 10. It was reported everywhere.

Posted by: samira Oct 3 2010, 06:11 PM

Yes, Milan was interessted in him but Real Madrid bought him instead.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 3 2010, 06:31 PM

QUOTE (samira @ Oct 3 2010, 07:11 PM) *
Yes, Milan was interessted in him but Real Madrid bought him instead.


Thanks, Captain Obvious.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 3 2010, 07:27 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 3 2010, 05:31 PM) *
Thanks, Captain Obvious.

Really? What's your problem? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 3 2010, 07:38 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 3 2010, 08:27 PM) *
Really? What's your problem? rolleyes.gif


Can't take a joke, han? sleep.gif

Posted by: acid911 Oct 3 2010, 07:49 PM

mellow.gif huh.gif happy.gif ohmy.gif wink.gif tongue.gif biggrin.gif laugh.gif rolleyes.gif

Smilies are your friend, people! Trust me, I know. smile.gif Take a look at my avatar, I'm Mr. Smiley himself.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 3 2010, 08:21 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 3 2010, 07:38 PM) *
Can't take a joke, han? sleep.gif

That wasn't really a joke. It was more making fun of someone by using sarcasm...

Anyway, whatever, if you think that's really a joke be my guest, but someone could easily percieve it for what it really was wink.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 3 2010, 08:47 PM

It's a joke if your intentions are friendly. I didn't mean to offend Samira in any way.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 3 2010, 08:50 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 3 2010, 09:47 PM) *
It's a joke if your intentions are friendly. I didn't mean to offend Samira in any way.

Sarcasm, pure offensive sarcasm my friend wink.gif

Posted by: Zed.D Oct 3 2010, 09:18 PM

Samira can talk for him/herself can't s/he? I mean, this is not secondary school or something. we're all grownups. I remember once I questioned X-Off's brain capacity in a Dinho debate and he told me to shut up! end of story. it should always be that way biggrin.gif

Posted by: han2503 Oct 3 2010, 09:48 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 3 2010, 08:47 PM) *
It's a joke if your intentions are friendly. I didn't mean to offend Samira in any way.

At least put a tongue.gif in there some people tend to get offended. Maybe samira doesn't but someone else would wink.gif

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Oct 3 2010, 09:18 PM) *
Samira can talk for him/herself can't s/he? I mean, this is not secondary school or something. we're all grownups. I remember once I questioned X-Off's brain capacity in a Dinho debate and he told me to shut up! end of story. it should always be that way biggrin.gif

It's not about being in secondary school etc, etc. As acid always likes to say, you're only seeing typed words here. You're not hearing the voice. So what someone writes as an offhanded joke could come off as rude and sarcastic to someone who's just reading it.

Samira might not take offense or maybe she is offended and is too nice to start a debate about it. You never know. Someone else could esily jump down your throat if they misinterpret something you say as a stupid joke.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Oct 3 2010, 09:56 PM

Aren't we a bit overreacting? I believe you all care more about it than she does. tongue.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 3 2010, 10:01 PM

Exactly. Samira isn't a regular poster and I don't think it's okay to scare people that way off.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 3 2010, 10:04 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 3 2010, 08:56 PM) *
Aren't we a bit overreacting? I believe you all care more about it than she does. tongue.gif

You can't really know that can you? I've seen heated arguments being started over a forum for less then that. Sometimes we write things down and people interpret them in a different way then we meant. Sometimes a little smiley would go a long way in clearing things up.

To me that comment was x-off making fun of someone by being sarcastic. Had he used the tongue.gif I would have seen it as a joke instantly.

And yes maybe Samira doesn't really care, she's not online atm so she can't comment, but I just don't like to see things getting stired up over a stupid comment.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 3 2010, 10:04 PM

Okay, let's end this debate. I honestly appologize for my sarcastic reply.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 3 2010, 10:06 PM

Bored, aren't we?

Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 3 2010, 10:45 PM


Posted by: MizNelson Oct 4 2010, 01:16 AM

QUOTE
Milan To Sell Alexandre Pato To Manchester City For €65 Million & Buy Liverpool's Steven Gerrard & Palermo's Javier Pastore With The Cash - Reports

Why do people post crap on here when they CLEARLY know it's crap? Christ.

This is why I try to avoid these transfer threads like the plague.

Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 4 2010, 04:16 AM

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Oct 3 2010, 06:16 PM) *
Why do people post crap on here when they CLEARLY know it's crap? Christ.

This is why I try to avoid these transfer threads like the plague.


wub.gif you too

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 4 2010, 05:54 AM

@Miz:

It's actually only half crap. Milan selling Pato for 65 million is sadly quite believable. Milan actually investing money from sales onto new quality players??.... laugh.gif We are top notch, first-class, fine as we are..thank you very much! smoke.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 4 2010, 04:23 PM

Well, this rumor quite baffled me today.

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan/?action=read&idtmw=232105

Apparently Sir Alex has identified in Montelongo the ideal substitute for Gary Neville. His price is around €9 million.

Now, is this some bullshit rumor from the good ol' English tabloids, or is Montelongo actually that good and we are not aware of it? blink.gif

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Oct 4 2010, 07:32 PM

Yeah and now I guess your going to blame that on B&G as usual ? innocent.gif

Posted by: CHU-LIP Oct 4 2010, 07:37 PM

We got him on loan with option to buy if I'm correct. Hopefully there is some truth in him being something. Would be nice if he get a chance, proves to be a good rightback, and we end up buying him. But let's see what happens... I don't know him at all.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 4 2010, 09:42 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 4 2010, 04:23 PM) *
Well, this rumor quite baffled me today.

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan/?action=read&idtmw=232105

Apparently Sir Alex has identified in Montelongo the ideal substitute for Gary Neville. His price is around €9 million.

Now, is this some bullshit rumor from the good ol' English tabloids, or is Montelongo actually that good and we are not aware of it? blink.gif

I call BS,SAF has already said he says Rafael as he long term replacement.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 4 2010, 09:52 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 4 2010, 10:42 PM) *
I call BS,SAF has already said he says Rafael as he long term replacement.


Yeah, that's what I thought when I read the article.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 4 2010, 11:34 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 4 2010, 08:37 PM) *
We got him on loan with option to buy if I'm correct. Hopefully there is some truth in him being something. Would be nice if he get a chance, proves to be a good rightback, and we end up buying him. But let's see what happens... I don't know him at all.

I honestly hope we will at least try this kid out. I really don't get why we sign these loan deals and then never even give them any chance.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 5 2010, 06:05 AM

We often buy them as favours for other clubs...like what Genoa did for us. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Protagonist Oct 5 2010, 06:15 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 5 2010, 12:34 AM) *
I honestly hope we will at least try this kid out. I really don't get why we sign these loan deals and then never even give them any chance.


What if he is simply not good ?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 5 2010, 07:17 AM

Possible. Which forces us to take a hard look at our scouting system. Because we paid good money to bring a person all the way from S.America. That's definitely more expensive than just picking someone from the european continent.

Posted by: Protagonist Oct 5 2010, 07:40 AM

I don't think we can take it as a fact that he was more expensive; given the fact that he is only on loan.

Our scouting system has been given more importance now, given the recent shift it policy where we concentrate on quality youth players. By saying that, I believe it is still too early to command a position which would render the next 'Iniesta' or 'Pedro'. However, with time, I believe that could be achieved.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 5 2010, 08:00 AM

QUOTE (Protagonist @ Oct 5 2010, 07:15 AM) *
What if he is simply not good ?

Well, then it would be preferable to know that before we loan him out or bring him at Milan. I mean, it's like making a shot in the dark.

Posted by: Protagonist Oct 5 2010, 11:40 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 5 2010, 09:00 AM) *
Well, then it would be preferable to know that before we loan him out or bring him at Milan. I mean, it's like making a shot in the dark.


Its not possible to assess a youth player's potential ability to become world class just by scouting. If that was the case, Adiyah should be a first team regular. Moreover, every transfer window would be busy with these youth player transfers.

Posted by: William405 Oct 5 2010, 12:15 PM

There goes Dzeko...Juventus are looking really good,Delneri is a great coach I must say.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3276/serie-a/2010/10/05/2151317/juventus-have-signed-manchester-city-target-edin-dzeko-from

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 5 2010, 01:35 PM

I wouldn't be so sure about the deal, but it most probably will happen. But what has the deal to do with Del Neri's coaching abilities? Milan once way back ago was linked with him btw.

Posted by: William405 Oct 5 2010, 03:00 PM

Well,I was just talking in general about his coaching abilities,I didn't really mean(if I did) to relate it to dzeko's transfer.
His tactics were spot on against inter,and so were his subs.He also changed the negative way Juventus played last season.I think he is building a team that can be a title contender.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 5 2010, 03:47 PM

Well...actually I think Allegri's got a harder job than Del Neri. Del Neri just needs to worry about Del Piero being happy..the rest of the squad is virtually new and starting from scratch.

Max's got lots of monkeys on his back.

I dunno, I seem to be the only one who's noticing the incremental improvements we're seeing in this squad...and it's very progressive. I don't expect our team to come out one fine day playing a perfect symphony, but there are steady signs of improvement here.

I hope by November end we'll be a 90% complete product.

Because I think we simply have no alternative tactic to a formation where Pirlo is shackled...save to take him off. He's a bit of a millstone that way.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 5 2010, 05:09 PM

QUOTE
Well...actually I think Allegri's got a harder job than Del Neri. Del Neri just needs to worry about Del Piero being happy..the rest of the squad is virtually new and starting from scratch.


They both have a hard job. Both are coaches who only had mid-table teams with low budgets onder their command. Del Neri has a complete new team, which isn't always good, he needs more time then Allegri; but on the other hand his board invested much wich puts him under instant pressure.

Milan's board has always been stable, we haven't had a interim coach since don Cesare - which gives Allegri the needed breathing space. Del Neri on the other hand had already a firey experience with Roma, and also knows what happened to Ferrara only recently. I'd say it's Allegri 1- Del Nero 1 .

Posted by: samira Oct 5 2010, 07:06 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 3 2010, 06:31 PM) *
Thanks, Captain Obvious.

Thanks smile.gif .. Well sarcasm is not really my best friend but I know what you mean. I agree with you Han but I rather talk about Milan then to jugde people I hardly know.. And I know its typical you X -Off .
No you didn't scare me away, believe me Im that last person that gets scared away..

Heard that Milan is still after Barrios.
Hope that he and Pedro will be one of the winters transfers but Valdano clamied that Real Madrid won't be listed to any offers. read it on this http://acmiilan.blogg.se yesterday or so.

Posted by: William405 Oct 5 2010, 07:53 PM

QUOTE (samira @ Oct 5 2010, 09:06 PM) *
Thanks smile.gif .. Well sarcasm is not really my best friend but I know what you mean. I agree with you Han but I rather talk about Milan then to jugde people I hardly know.. And I know its typical you X -Off .
No you didn't scare me away, believe me Im that last person that gets scared away..

Heard that Milan is still after Barrios.
Hope that he and Pedro will be one of the winters transfers but Valdano clamied that Real Madrid won't be listed to any offers. read it on this http://acmiilan.blogg.se yesterday or so.



You tell him! ;P



Bad news guys...
http://www.football-italia.net/oct05v.html

Posted by: samira Oct 5 2010, 07:57 PM

Nothing to do with the news but did you see that goal he did last weekend, ( not as good as Pirlos ) but still good tongue.gif

Posted by: William405 Oct 5 2010, 08:12 PM

Well,that makes it even worse tongue.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 5 2010, 10:13 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 5 2010, 01:15 PM) *
There goes Dzeko...Juventus are looking really good,Delneri is a great coach I must say.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3276/serie-a/2010/10/05/2151317/juventus-have-signed-manchester-city-target-edin-dzeko-from


I don't remember how many articles I read in the past claiming we'd already signed him.

Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 6 2010, 05:12 AM

QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 5 2010, 12:53 PM) *
You tell him! ;P



Bad news guys...
http://www.football-italia.net/oct05v.html


It does suck, but don't worry. We have alot of youth with incredible abilities now.


We have the best youth cm in europe devil.gif

Posted by: MilanManiac9 Oct 6 2010, 12:26 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Oct 6 2010, 12:12 AM) *
We have the best youth cm in europe devil.gif

Good, we'll need it. In keeping with the National side, we do have a bit of an aging squad. Experience is invaluable, but we still need more young catalysts like Pato. Anybody think we might benefit from a new GK? Not that Everton would ever let it happen, but we could use somebody like Tim Howard. If anybody couldn't tell, I'm not such a big fan of Abbi. I haven't seen Amelia play yet, either, but he seems promising.

As for our serious situation in the back four, what if we looked across the pond? How 'bout Jay Demerit? He had a great WC showing, and I really think we could use that kind of "enforcer."

Here's what I think our starting XI shoud be, and please don't bite my head off, MizNelson:

---Pato---Ibra---Robinho---

--------Ronaldinho-----------
-Gatusso---------Boateng---
------------Pirlo--------------

--Zambro--Nesta--Abate--

------------Abbi--------------

Please, let me know what you guys think!

Posted by: acid911 Oct 6 2010, 01:19 PM

I agree with your squad and formation, MilanManiac9. king.gif Only that Thiago Silva is missing for some reason! Other than that, I have been gunning for a 3-man defense (that stays back at all times) for a while now. A lot of the goals we have conceded have come from counter attacks.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 6 2010, 01:27 PM

QUOTE (MilanManiac9 @ Oct 6 2010, 01:26 PM) *
Please, let me know what you guys think!


I think you should play less FIFA and watch more real football.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 6 2010, 01:39 PM

@X-Off:C'mon...be nice!

@milanmaniac: In a 3 man defence you'd probably put in 3 CBs instead of 2 fullbacks and a sweeper. Your team would be rather unbalanced defensively.

So if you did this:

Pato---Ibra---Robinho---

--------Ronaldinho-----------
-Gatusso---------Boateng---
------------Pirlo--------------

--Silva--Nesta--Sok-----

------------Abbi--------------


Even then you have no protection in mid-field and are depending on all those attacking heavyweights somehow scoring more goals.

The only benefit is that you have all of our fantasy 4 playing.

The only time I'd put that formation on is in the 75th minute when we're a goal down and need to win. EVen then I'd have Flamini or another DM instead of KPB.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 6 2010, 02:00 PM

Kaka' might leave Madrid soon and both Inter and Milan are ready to snatch him.

http://blog.panorama.it/sport/2010/10/04/calciomercato-per-kaka-potrebbe-scatenarsi-un-derby-milan-inter/

Though I don't believe Kaka' would ever consider going to Inter, the thought of him making a return to Milan enthusiasms me a lot. Let's be rational. When Sheva returned from Chelsea, he was 32 years old and was barely given a real chance at all. Ricky on the other hand is only 28, and if he's past his injury problems for good, I see no reason why not giving him another chance. That said, he'll most probably go to Chelsea.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 6 2010, 02:31 PM

I think he might go to Chelsea too if Carlo asks Abramovich. Not sure if he'll make it there though.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 6 2010, 04:19 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 6 2010, 01:31 PM) *
I think he might go to Chelsea too if Carlo asks Abramovich. Not sure if he'll make it there though.

If Kaka is having trouble dealing with physical issues in Spain, I'd hate to see what would happen to him in the EPL.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 6 2010, 04:33 PM

So, would you welcome Kaka back?

And of course, the real question is, does Milan have the spending money for Kaka, even at a discount price?

Posted by: ForzaMaldini Oct 6 2010, 06:10 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 5 2010, 08:53 PM) *
You tell him! ;P



Bad news guys...
http://www.football-italia.net/oct05v.html

Same story about Pastore. We also just had him for graps. Then the time Kaka was about to make his move to Real Madrid.
Galliani's excuse for not signing him: we had Kaka
Now it turnes out Pastore is one of the greatest talents in Italy

Posted by: ForzaMaldini Oct 6 2010, 06:49 PM

As soon as there's a international break, the rumors get turned on again. Here's a list of the players we are linked to:

- David Luiz (Benfica)
- Jan Vertonghen (Ajax)
- Emiliano Morretti (Genoa)
- Michel Bastos (Lyon)
- Gareth Bale (Spurs)
- Adil Rami (Lille)
- Lazzari (Cagliari)
- Pedro Leon (Madrid)

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Oct 6 2010, 09:05 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 6 2010, 01:27 PM) *
I think you should play less FIFA and watch more real football.

you cant even do that in fifa 2 defender and a parttime full back who does not know how to defend although with bonera-nesta-silva it could work

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Oct 6 2010, 09:08 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 6 2010, 04:33 PM) *
So, would you welcome Kaka back?

And of course, the real question is, does Milan have the spending money for Kaka, even at a discount price?

i would welcome him and imo it was milan who cashed him because of debts but unless we get him in a deal similar to ibra i dont see milan spending on him

Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 6 2010, 09:33 PM

I would welcome him with open arms.


He's a little older now so I would encourage to use him as more of a play maker than a SS.


Maybe as a centre mid or a Treq.



Play something along these lines:


------Ibra-----Pato---

-------Kaka--------

---flamini-pirlo-boateng

or play him beside pirlo.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Oct 6 2010, 09:36 PM

It depends on how much it would cost wether it would be wise or not IMO, but I would welcome Kaká very very very much back to the club.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 6 2010, 09:54 PM

Agreed. Kaka' instead of Dinho would be a huge improvement for our squad.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 6 2010, 10:36 PM

Kaká would be a great replacement for Ronaldinho, but I do fear that a possible transfer to Milan and a fight with Inter would me either Ibra back to Barca or, more probably, Pato off for England or Spain.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 6 2010, 10:39 PM

Maybe we could snatch him on loan. innocent.gif

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 6 2010, 10:43 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 6 2010, 11:39 PM) *
Maybe we could snatch him on loan. innocent.gif

That would really mean B&G are brilliant.

Posted by: Protagonist Oct 7 2010, 05:22 AM

Why Kaka ? Ronaldinho is far more technically gifted than Kaka ever was. If anything, Kaka's lethal attribute is his speed. Right now, the same is hindered by his injuries of late and if he comes back he wont be as affective this time around.

I think we shouldn't waste our time with Kaka, let him go to Inter, what difference does it make considering we already have headaches with out attacking options.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 7 2010, 05:59 AM

No. Kaka isn't just about speed. He's also great at playing that final ball. The problem though is right now, the only vacancy we have is in the creative player who plays deep mid-field. And Kaka can't really play there.

Ronaldinho would have to go if we need Kaka to come back..and I have to be honest on current form and impact Kaka can't really replace Ronnie. We'll have to bring sentiment to it...and then compare the R80 of today to the Kaka of 2007 before we can justify that choice. Because truth is the R80 of last year was better than Kaka in his last year at Milan.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 7 2010, 07:52 AM

Kaka should be forgotten. Imo that door is closed. And what's the point? He's injured 95% of the time. That means we'll be committing to spending ridiculous money to bring him back. We already have our hands full with all the attackers on our roster, why spend money on another one when what we really need is a CM or FB?

And as someone said above to remove Ronnie so we could accomodate Kaka would be ridiculous, simply because Ronnie has been in much better form then Kaka over the last 2 seasons and is not injury prone like Kaka is

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 7 2010, 08:14 AM

Oh now I'm someone huh? dry.gif Gee..thanks han.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 7 2010, 08:19 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 7 2010, 07:14 AM) *
Oh now I'm someone huh? dry.gif Gee..thanks han.

biggrin.gif

Posted by: MizNelson Oct 7 2010, 08:29 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 4 2010, 08:23 AM) *
Well, this rumor quite baffled me today.

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/milan/?action=read&idtmw=232105

Apparently Sir Alex has identified in Montelongo the ideal substitute for Gary Neville. His price is around €9 million.

Now, is this some bullshit rumor from the good ol' English tabloids, or is Montelongo actually that good and we are not aware of it? blink.gif

Considering the guy is basically an unknown, I'd go the BS route.

Posted by: Zed.D Oct 7 2010, 10:25 AM

I agree with han and protagonist. NO to Kaka.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 7 2010, 12:24 PM

Ahem...I said the same thing. What is this? Ignore the smart, sexy, awesome, always-right pirate thread??? unsure.gif


Whoopee...that's a fun event! dry.gif

Posted by: MilanManiac9 Oct 7 2010, 12:26 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 6 2010, 08:39 AM) *
@X-Off:C'mon...be nice!

@milanmaniac: In a 3 man defence you'd probably put in 3 CBs instead of 2 fullbacks and a sweeper. Your team would be rather unbalanced defensively.

So if you did this:

Pato---Ibra---Robinho---

--------Ronaldinho-----------
-Gatusso---------Boateng---
------------Pirlo--------------

--Silva--Nesta--Sok-----

------------Abbi--------------


Even then you have no protection in mid-field and are depending on all those attacking heavyweights somehow scoring more goals.

The only benefit is that you have all of our fantasy 4 playing.

The only time I'd put that formation on is in the 75th minute when we're a goal down and need to win. EVen then I'd have Flamini or another DM instead of KPB.

You really don't like Boateng, do you, Jack? I think he's a little better than you give him credit for (no offense).

@X-Off: I don't get to play much FIFA, and honestly, I'm not a huge fan of Silva. Call it instinct, intuition, or whatever have you, but I just don't feel like he's the best option we have right now.

Posted by: William405 Oct 7 2010, 02:02 PM

Silva is our Best CB POINT


Another bad rumour from goal.com?
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3276/serie-a/2010/10/07/2154565/ac-milan-will-oust-ronaldinho-to-make-room-for-kaka-return

Posted by: Linkman Oct 7 2010, 03:17 PM

Yeaaaah I call bullshit on that one.

Not to say Kaká won't return some day, but I think the man himself wants to prove he can perform again outside of Milan.

EDIT: Globoesporte reported a different team was interested in Kaká... Sao Paulo!

http://globoesporte.globo.com/futebol/noticia/2010/10/sao-paulo-sonha-com-contratacao-de-kaka-por-emprestimo-em-2011.html

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 7 2010, 03:22 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 7 2010, 03:02 PM) *
Silva is our Best CB POINT


Another bad rumour from goal.com?
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3276/serie-a/2010/10/07/2154565/ac-milan-will-oust-ronaldinho-to-make-room-for-kaka-return


It's not from Goal, it's originally from Sportmediaset. And it's more than a rumor. Ronaldinho is set to leave in January for LA, and we're going to bring back Kaka' on loan till June. Then we'll sign him for around €30 million, by making annual payments of €10 million.

And for those who have doubts regarding such a deal, I call them fools. With Kaka' we'd have a much better team suited for our game. We could finally play our old-style diamond line-up, by playing all three men upfront in their natural positions. Not to mention we'd be much more covered in the back as well. I mean, from a technical point of view, it'd be perfect.

Of course, the question marks reigns heavily on Ricky's physical conditions. He had a surgery in his left knee only two months ago, and he's bound to make his recovery in early January. So, as long as there's still uncertainty about his physical conditions, it remains a highly risky operation. But, should he get back on form afterwards, we'd have in our hands a treasure of a player. And knowing his age, 28, and his experience in Serie A with the rossoneri colors, it'd be simply foolish to let such an opportunity slip away. I mean, it's Kaka' we're talking about!

Posted by: Linkman Oct 7 2010, 03:29 PM

And what makes you think that's more than just a rumor, X-Off?

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 7 2010, 03:34 PM

QUOTE (Linkman @ Oct 7 2010, 04:29 PM) *
And what makes you think that's more than just a rumor, X-Off?


Because it all makes sense. Like it or not, Dinho will leave if not in January, then surely in June, though reporters are more and more suggesting the first hypothesis. We'd have to find ourselves a replacement, and since players like Pastore (whom I'd choose over Kaka' any day, mind you) are unreachable, dealing with our dear friend Florentino remains the most valid alternative. There's nothing concerte yet, I'm not deluding myself, but it's not just a silly media rumor.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Oct 7 2010, 04:38 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 7 2010, 08:52 AM) *
Kaka should be forgotten. Imo that door is closed. And what's the point? He's injured 95% of the time. That means we'll be committing to spending ridiculous money to bring him back. We already have our hands full with all the attackers on our roster, why spend money on another one when what we really need is a CM or FB?

And as someone said above to remove Ronnie so we could accomodate Kaka would be ridiculous, simply because Ronnie has been in much better form then Kaka over the last 2 seasons and is not injury prone like Kaka is

Why is that door closed? And WHY should he be forgotten??

Kaká is a much better fit and player for AC Milan than Ronaldinho is, and I don't buy the ROnaldinho has been in much better form than Kaká over the last 2 seasons stuff. Kaká had injuries and that's why you can make that conclusion. I don't know what the expectations are with Kaká and his injuries in the future, so no comment on that.

Why spend money on an attacker like this? Because he would be MUCH better for the team than Ronaldinho is. In fact, we LACK a good attacking player who is like Kaká. Now we either need to play Seedorf or Ronaldinho (or BOTH) and we come up with the wrong formation or Ronaldinho in the wrong position, or Seedorf we all don't want as a starter. So why Kaká? Don't know.. reaaally don't know..

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 7 2010, 04:52 PM

Someone wrote on Kaka's Twitter page: "Ricky, is it true that you wanna come back to Milan? There are voices circulating in Italy..." to which he replied: "Thank you from the heart. Forza Milan!".

Hmmm... innocent.gif

Posted by: CHU-LIP Oct 7 2010, 05:17 PM

QUOTE (Protagonist @ Oct 7 2010, 06:22 AM) *
Why Kaka ? Ronaldinho is far more technically gifted than Kaka ever was. If anything, Kaka's lethal attribute is his speed. Right now, the same is hindered by his injuries of late and if he comes back he wont be as affective this time around.

I think we shouldn't waste our time with Kaka, let him go to Inter, what difference does it make considering we already have headaches with out attacking options.

There is more needed than just being technically gifted to perform well for your team. Kaká adds pace, movement, work rate, a lot, things Ronaldinho doesn't add really, things we need in our attack. Kaká is a better player for AC Milan, maybe Kaká is even a better player in general without being as technically gifted as Ronaldinho (why isn't he the best player in the world then if he is so gifted huh?)..

Go to Inter? Djezes.. are you some hater or so? Would explain a lot.. Kaká won't go to Inter, lol.

Posted by: acid911 Oct 7 2010, 05:31 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Oct 7 2010, 09:17 PM) *
(why isn't he the best player in the world then if he is so gifted huh?)..

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif Reminds me of the Batman: The Animated Series episode: "If You're So Smart, Why Aren't You Rich?" Seriously though, I do agree that if (and a very big if, at that) Kaka ever arrives, that should be the end of the Ronaldinho adventure in Milan. There is no chance in God's green earth we'll be paying the wags of both.

And more than that, the choice rests with Berlusconi here. wink.gif He brought R80 here, and he will be the one who'll make the final decision of selling him to the highest bidder. I don't know if this change will occur, but if it does, Kaka should better be fit - we can't afford an injured R80, and we surely can't afford a Kaka that stays injured for half the season. Fine mess we'll get ourselves into if we have to juggle these two players, either way. I'd much rather take Ganso. At least he has a future that he can build up on.

Posted by: Linkman Oct 7 2010, 05:52 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 7 2010, 10:34 AM) *
Because it all makes sense. Like it or not, Dinho will leave if not in January, then surely in June, though reporters are more and more suggesting the first hypothesis. We'd have to find ourselves a replacement, and since players like Pastore (whom I'd choose over Kaka' any day, mind you) are unreachable, dealing with our dear friend Florentino remains the most valid alternative. There's nothing concerte yet, I'm not deluding myself, but it's not just a silly media rumor.


Oh.

I think it's just a silly media rumor, to be honest. I'm glad to see your evidence is the same as mine.

Posted by: Tennie Oct 7 2010, 07:36 PM

The mediaset story seems to originate somewhere in spain.

The last two times Milan brought back Golden Ball winners....it didn't exactly work out.

So no to Kaka bis from me.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 7 2010, 08:08 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Oct 7 2010, 08:36 PM) *
The mediaset story seems to originate somewhere in spain.

The last two times Milan brought back Golden Ball winners....it didn't exactly work out.

So no to Kaka bis from me.


Actually, it originates from Panorama, which is an Italian magazine.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 7 2010, 08:40 PM

Oh my, oh my....

some people only think of the Kaka from his Milan glory days, yet refuse to see the player he's become. He's physically deteriorated to such a degree that he's injured for months on end. You say he has pace? I say he's lost at least 50% of the acceleration he had during his Milan days before his knees were shot to hell.

Kaka is damaged goods, for all the BS talk about our management, we know they're no idiots. They knew what they were selling Chelsea and Madrid when it came to Sheva and Kaka. And surprise, surprise both were flops in their new big teams, injuries playing a big part in that.

Ronaldinho is not our future, he's our present, but neither is Kaka he's no longer the golden child of Milan, he's 28 and has serious physical issues, and for all the fat jokes about Dinho he never gets injured and imo having such a focal player for the team getting injured would lead to big problems.

Next season we need to think about replacing Dinho, but it has to be with someone who is top quality, does not have injury issues and is not approaching 30.

Posted by: Zed.D Oct 7 2010, 09:03 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 7 2010, 02:54 PM) *
Ahem...I said the same thing. What is this? Ignore the smart, sexy, awesome, always-right pirate thread??? unsure.gif


Whoopee...that's a fun event! dry.gif

I didn't see your post but I'm quoting this one to show you that I can't ignore you even if I wanted!

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 7 2010, 09:34 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 7 2010, 09:40 PM) *
Oh my, oh my....

some people only think of the Kaka from his Milan glory days, yet refuse to see the player he's become. He's physically deteriorated to such a degree that he's injured for months on end. You say he has pace? I say he's lost at least 50% of the acceleration he had during his Milan days before his knees were shot to hell.

Kaka is damaged goods, for all the BS talk about our management, we know they're no idiots. They knew what they were selling Chelsea and Madrid when it came to Sheva and Kaka. And surprise, surprise both were flops in their new big teams, injuries playing a big part in that.

Ronaldinho is not our future, he's our present, but neither is Kaka he's no longer the golden child of Milan, he's 28 and has serious physical issues, and for all the fat jokes about Dinho he never gets injured and imo having such a focal player for the team getting injured would lead to big problems.

Next season we need to think about replacing Dinho, but it has to be with someone who is top quality, does not have injury issues and is not approaching 30.


Eh, his injury-prone nature is the only thing that worries me. I'm not doubting the player. But we don't know for sure whether his injuries will keep on or if this last surgery will put an end to it. Either way, it's a risk I'm willing to take.

Posted by: Tennie Oct 7 2010, 09:56 PM

Panorama seems to have gotten it from spain, Xoff. smile.gif But anyway, still think it's mostly fantamercato fueled from spain (where they do want to offload him).

I don't think it's wise for Milan to consider given our track record with bringing guys back. Weren't we supposed to be focussing on young players anyway?

Posted by: vnata001 Oct 7 2010, 10:51 PM

For me, so much of whether this deal makes sense is whether or not Dinho is capable of playing in the hole in a 4-3-1-2 formation. I want us to return to this formation. It's the formation we have the personnel for, and we are far more balanced with it. If we replace Dinho and keep the 4-3-3, we have midfield questions to solve in the offseason - which would involve spending money for quality. I don't want to see us play the risky 4-3-3 anymore, nor do I want to see Pato play out wide anymore. Every time Pato plays up front, he scores (look at his last two performances for Brazil where Menezes played him up front, not out wide - he's scored).

For those overly concerned with the 'injury' gamble, it was the same roll of the dice we made when we signed Dinho. Dinho was damaged goods when we bought him. There was a high risk in bringing him. He was hurt in his last year at Barca, he was hurt and then unfit his first year here. But we had patience, and we were rewarded considerably for it.

Regardless of whether he still has his acceleration or not, Kaka's still capable of playing with his brain. For Brazil, he was a provider. He wasn't the rampaging, 1-man counter attacking machine that he used to be for us. But he was a smartly positioned, still had excellent control, and made several of Brazil's goals this summer. For all his 'suckiness' last season in Madrid, he scored 12 goals and tallied 10 assists in a season he didn't fully take part in.

I would take Pastore over Ricky any day at this point. However, X-Off and Chu's points about how much better and balanced we would be tactically is undeniable.

Yes, we're supposed to be going towards youth, but there is no ready made replacement for either Dinho OR a CAM position in our youth ranks. We'd HAVE to spend on a replacement for them, and with the 4-3-3 we'd have to replace both Dinho AND make some midfield signings. I wish it had been Hernanes or Pastore when they were all but ours, but B&G are short-sighted in the wrong moments. Kaka is a quick fix, and all in all could be less expensive when you think of the holes a central attacking mid would cover in a 4-3-1-2, as opposed to a new winger with the same midfield issues the 4-3-3 poses.

The question: can dinho play in the hole. For me, this determines whether this move is worth it. He showed he may work out there against Parma, I guess he may have til January to fully convince..

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 7 2010, 10:55 PM

QUOTE (vnata001 @ Oct 7 2010, 10:51 PM) *
For all his 'suckiness' last season in Madrid, he scored 12 goals and tallied 10 assists in a season he didn't fully take part in.

I don't get all this anti-Kaka' stuff. But then again, it seems if you leave Milan, you automatically become Judas.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 7 2010, 11:42 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 7 2010, 11:55 PM) *
I don't get all this anti-Kaka' stuff. But then again, it seems if you leave Milan, you automatically become Judas.

I think it's more the opposite. Just remember how we cried for Kaka, and now...we're being so rational.

Posted by: vnata001 Oct 8 2010, 12:05 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 7 2010, 03:42 PM) *
I think it's more the opposite. Just remember how we cried for Kaka, and now...we're being so rational.


i wasn't being serious in calling him sucky, hence the quotes around 'suckiness'. He didn't suck for Madrid or Brazil. He simply wasn't playing in the same role for Madrid as he was for us. If you play Kaka in an Iniesta-like midfield role, and expect him to score like he did for us when he played second striker, then your expectations are off.

if we were all being rational, then we'd see that his performances for Madrid and Brazil over the past year, while certainly not the Kaka of old, was far from a washed-up, injured, 'complete waste-of-time-to-even-consider', has-been that some people on here are talking about him like.

If we were so willing to grant Dinho the benefit of the doubt when he came, then there really shouldn't be such hesitation to do the same for Kaka, ex-player or not.

Posted by: Darunia Oct 8 2010, 06:04 AM

It's a dream but I would like to see Luis Suarez come to Milan.. he's a great talent and will move on from Ajax some day.

Posted by: MizNelson Oct 8 2010, 06:16 AM

QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 7 2010, 06:02 AM) *
Another bad rumour from goal.com?
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3276/serie-a/2010/10/07/2154565/ac-milan-will-oust-ronaldinho-to-make-room-for-kaka-return

That's not bullshit, that's just downright pathetic.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 8 2010, 06:32 AM

@ Zed.D: Thanks bud. I love you too.

@MilanManiac9: I do like KPB. But I perhaps see him differently to you. I see him as an attacking box-to-box. If Gerrard and Essien are two ends of the box-to-box spectrum when it comes to defence and attack..I'd place KPB closer to Gerrard's end. So your formation has 5 attacking players...and to me that's something you do in a desperate situation, not really as a normal starting formation.

About Kaka...I think he's injured. He's still not come back to full fitness. And to sell R80 and bring back Kaka doesn't really solve our problems. It's just that those who don't like R80 get rid of him...and get to see Kaka. IMO...we'll just be spinning wheels...coz as much as vnata says Kaka plays with his brain (that's true in that he's not Theo Walcott)...he's not really got as much vision as R80 does. His speed is 50% of his game...and a half fit Kaka is useless for us. Not to mention his wages would be inordinate.

I'd take him on loan for half a season, maybe as a rotation player...see how it works out...and if it doesn't send him back. But then that could cause ill-feeling. In any case he's CL tied I think. SO you're playing huge wages for someone you can't even use properly. His being 28 has nothing to do with it. If you're injury prone..you're injury prone no matter what your age. MvB retired when he was 29.


I'd be much happier reading further about the report that said we were preparing a 35 million bid for Stevie G in the winter. Now that's a player we could use. Attacking player who comes in from deep. Total ownage. smoke.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 8 2010, 07:59 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 8 2010, 06:32 AM) *
If you're injury prone..you're injury prone no matter what your age. MvB retired when he was 29.

That's my worry with Pato.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Oct 8 2010, 08:18 AM

Yeah..it has crossed my mind. But being an Ambro fan, you'd think it's not the end of the world. tongue.gif

I'd like to see if Pato is given time to heal properly instead of being pushed back into action ASAP as he was last year, what the status would be. I think in another 2 years we will be able to say more clearly.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Oct 8 2010, 09:44 AM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 8 2010, 03:18 AM) *
Yeah..it has crossed my mind. But being an Ambro fan, you'd think it's not the end of the world. tongue.gif

I'd like to see if Pato is given time to heal properly instead of being pushed back into action ASAP as he was last year, what the status would be. I think in another 2 years we will be able to say more clearly.

Pippo is another example like Ambro... At one time I didn't think he was ever gonna come back - but then against the odds he came back and was hungry as ever.

Posted by: vnata001 Oct 8 2010, 10:37 AM

35 mil is an outrageous sum. Paying that much for him would be completely bone-headed. His return could only be considered if its around 15 - which would never happen.

On the topic of him being injured, my point is this. He may be broken now, but he played the entire world cup injured. So much so that pretty much immediately after the tournament he's been shut down for half a year. However, if what we saw of him at the world cup was him playing injured, then after surgery, if he recovers to even the player that we saw in SA, then he's still in an elite class of attacking mids. He's not completely rubbish, and would offer a more attractive tactical possibility.

But for 35 mil we could do better, no doubt. We could get several quality players. For 35 mil we could have had Krasic and 20 mil to spend on the mid/def...

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 8 2010, 01:47 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 8 2010, 07:32 AM) *
In any case he's CL tied I think. SO you're playing huge wages for someone you can't even use properly.


How can he be CL tied if he hasn't played a single match for Madrid yet? Stay sharp dude. wink.gif

QUOTE (vnata001 @ Oct 8 2010, 11:37 AM) *
35 mil is an outrageous sum. Paying that much for him would be completely bone-headed. His return could only be considered if its around 15 - which would never happen.

On the topic of him being injured, my point is this. He may be broken now, but he played the entire world cup injured. So much so that pretty much immediately after the tournament he's been shut down for half a year. However, if what we saw of him at the world cup was him playing injured, then after surgery, if he recovers to even the player that we saw in SA, then he's still in an elite class of attacking mids. He's not completely rubbish, and would offer a more attractive tactical possibility.

But for 35 mil we could do better, no doubt. We could get several quality players. For 35 mil we could have had Krasic and 20 mil to spend on the mid/def...


I agree, €35 million is way too much. For that sum, we could sign Pastore instead. However, if we could sign Ibrahimovic for €24 million, we can easily sign Kaka' for a somewhat similar sum. Galliani is a magician after all. biggrin.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 8 2010, 01:59 PM

By the way, a few updates on the Kaka' situation:



Source: xoffenderpublications.com tongue.gif

Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 8 2010, 02:39 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 8 2010, 04:47 PM) *
How can he be CL tied if he hasn't played a single match for Madrid yet? Stay sharp dude. wink.gif

If I remember correctly, if he's registered in their CL squad, that's enough to not allow him to play for another CL team. I might be wrong though.

Posted by: Bluesummers Oct 8 2010, 02:50 PM

Well watching the news for the last few days, i'll give my bit:


1)Ronaldinho is going to leave at the end of the season. Its obvious. Robinho was purchased ahead of time so ronaldinho's position could eventually be filled. Those who think otherwise are in denial.


2) Kaka's return to milan? While I would love for that to happen, there is no chance. Only way he will come here is on loan. While Kaka may want that to happen, I doubt florentino will. He will most likely sell him at the end of the season to chelsea if he doesn't perform in the second spell of the season.


3) We can't afford Kaka on our wage bill. Unless he wants to take a major pay cut, which I doubt he will do...its out of the question.


4) Our interests are elsewhere. Lets just say if Pato is continually injured this season, we could see him and balotelli swap shirts.



Our goal for the next 5 seasons is to integrate youth into the first team. We will be buying players to fill in the first team until these players are ready. For example, strasser will use this year as a development year and he will be a regular player next season. The same goes for Verdi/albertazzi and odu.

The year after we'll see merkel/novinic/ etc in the squad learning and then they will join the ranks a year later.


After about 5 seasons, this cycle will be continuous with the odd experienced player being brought in for balance. We will no longer need to spend ridicilous amounts of money on transfers like ibra and robinho anymore.

Thats what our plans are right now. Signing kaka for another 3 years and paying his massive wage would be a step backward.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 8 2010, 03:15 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Oct 8 2010, 03:39 PM) *
If I remember correctly, if he's registered in their CL squad, that's enough to not allow him to play for another CL team. I might be wrong though.


He's not registered in Madrid's CL list, and even if he was, the first registration is valid for the group round. There's a re-registration in January/February for the knock-out round. So, in other words, he would be available for CL if we signed him in January.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 8 2010, 03:22 PM

Dinho: "I'm not leaving in January. If it depended on me, I'd stay at Milan forever. I have Berlusconi's trust. I want to stay here and regain the national team."

http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/calcio/articoli/articolo43957.shtml

Staying here forever? Um, I dunno, 4 million a year and 10 million a year is a considerable difference, and we all know he'll eventually lean on the second option. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: han2503 Oct 8 2010, 03:42 PM

People are pulling a lot of news out of their @sses rolleyes.gif Please put in a source, such news does not come out of thin air

As for Dinho, he's just turned 30, I don't believe he wants to go to a 3rd rate league just yet, no matter the money, he's still producing the goods in a top European league so why reduce himself to the US just yet? He'll leave this summer imo, for where that is I'm not sure, but Milan need to think about themselves, not doing about favoures to past players. That means going out and finding a top quality AM. As for Kaka, imo bringing him back for any amount would be a mistake.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 8 2010, 03:52 PM

If Ronaldinho is leaving in summer, and we don't sign Kaka', who would you think of, han? I'd be so happy if we could make a move on Pastore, but that seems unlikely at the moment. Paulo Henrique a.k.a Ganso would be a nice addition, though I'm not sure of his qualities. I can't think of any other great AM that would suit us.

Posted by: William405 Oct 8 2010, 04:21 PM

Pastore won't be sold even for 50mill so don't dream bout it.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 8 2010, 04:22 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 8 2010, 03:52 PM) *
If Ronaldinho is leaving in summer, and we don't sign Kaka', who would you think of, han? I'd be so happy if we could make a move on Pastore, but that seems unlikely at the moment. Paulo Henrique a.k.a Ganso would be a nice addition, though I'm not sure of his qualities. I can't think of any other great AM that would suit us.

And how would Kaka that is injured for at least 50% of the season help us in that respect?

I'm not trying to be a smart @ss but asking a genuine question. You can say that we don't know that he'll be injured that much, but how could you be so sure that he wouldn't?

Ganso is an option, I'd look at Hernanes as well, Lazio is definatey not the end of the road for him, he'll cost more then he would have last summer but that's the management's faul for not bringing him in when they had the chance, same thing with VDV especially if Tottenham don't make the CL again next season.

Kaka is a temporary fix and not a good one at that since he's not reliable. If it came to an either or situation I'd choose Dnho, simply because he's a far more reliable solution for another season then Kaka.

I have nothing against Kaka, and I even defend him when it comes to the entire who's at fault drama behind his transfer, but imo, he has too many physical issues to look past, even if I put on my Kaka rose tinted glasses I still can't ignore such glaring points. If the management somehow find a way to bring him back with a deal along the lines of the Sheva one ie loan while not paying his full wages I'd be more then tempted, but there's no chance in hell that is going to happen

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 8 2010, 04:25 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Oct 8 2010, 03:50 PM) *
Well watching the news for the last few days, i'll give my bit:

@ Blue, please not that this forum needs sources to underline news and rumours such as the one you said.

For the other part of your post...you sound like you run the Milan youth departement by your own. How so sure?


As for a Milan option after Ronaldinho:

1) Robinho sure isn't a replacement. He isn't a normal AM and he's not the player who makes that many assists either.

2) I simply fail to see what people see in Pastore, he's good but nothing special. Why is he that much better then Hernanes for instance?

Posted by: William405 Oct 8 2010, 04:34 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 8 2010, 06:25 PM) *
2) I simply fail to see what people see in Pastore, he's good but nothing special. Why is he that much better then Hernanes for instance?



He's good looking tongue.gif.

But seriously,he is good.He is very young(21yrs) compared to hernanes.But I think everyone's thinking we can snatch him for 30mil,but zamperini won't let it happen obviously.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 8 2010, 04:36 PM

han, mine was actually an honest question. I wanted to hear your opinion about who you'd think could be a fine AM for us, not a justification for my desire to sign Kaka'.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 8 2010, 05:25 PM) *
2) I simply fail to see what people see in Pastore, he's good but nothing special. Why is he that much better then Hernanes for instance?


Have you even seen any of Palermo's games this season? He's been outstanding. The guy reminds me so much of Kaka', not only by his looks, but his way of playing, his runs, they are so very similar. There was a report on Sportmediaset a few days ago that Mourinho wants him in Madrid, but also Barcelona and Inter have put an eye on him. Too bad, he'd be the ideal AM for our game.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Oct 8 2010, 04:46 PM

Again, Milan and Palermo is an unlike match.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 8 2010, 05:31 PM

I know. sad.gif

Posted by: Boban10 Oct 8 2010, 07:57 PM

Kaka's father and agent was spotted at Milan's headquarters on Thursday.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11854_6434733,00.html

soccersmile.gif

/wondering wink.gif


Posted by: Zed.D Oct 8 2010, 10:05 PM

I wonder what Kaka's effing agent has to say about this innocent.gif

And once again, as much as I didn't want him to leave in the first place I hope he stays away from Milan.

Posted by: vnata001 Oct 8 2010, 10:08 PM

@ Fillipo

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVJm7DoGXoc

remind you of anyone?

Posted by: han2503 Oct 8 2010, 10:15 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 8 2010, 04:36 PM) *
han, mine was actually an honest question. I wanted to hear your opinion about who you'd think could be a fine AM for us, not a justification for my desire to sign Kaka'.

I know, and I asked you another genuine question in answer to that, plus I gave you my short list of who I think could be doable for us next season.

QUOTE
And how would Kaka that is injured for at least 50% of the season help us in that respect?

Ganso is an option, I'd look at Hernanes as well, Lazio is definatey not the end of the road for him, he'll cost more then he would have last summer but that's the management's faul for not bringing him in when they had the chance, same thing with VDV especially if Tottenham don't make the CL again next season.


The Kaka fan in me would jump at the chance, but I'm a Milan fan and I don't really see how this would really benefit the club. His injury issues to me are not something that can be brushed aside.

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 8 2010, 10:16 PM

QUOTE (vnata001 @ Oct 8 2010, 11:08 PM) *
@ Fillipo

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVJm7DoGXoc

remind you of anyone?

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Posted by: kurtsimonw Oct 8 2010, 11:33 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 8 2010, 10:15 PM) *
The Kaka fan in me would jump at the chance, but I'm a Milan fan and I don't really see how this would really benefit the club. His injury issues to me are not something that can be brushed aside.

Yet he still played more games than Pato last season, maybe we should sell him?

Posted by: X-Offender Oct 9 2010, 12:24 AM

I don't think his physical conditions are as worrying as you make them to be, han. He'll probably settle for good after this last surgery.

Posted by: Dracoris Oct 9 2010, 01:01 AM

Id hate to say no to Kaka, but I'm not so sure about this one.

Posted by: han2503 Oct 9 2010, 07:48 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 8 2010, 10:33 PM) *
Yet he still played more games than Pato last season, maybe we should sell him?

That's a different thing altogether, Pato is still growing such muscular injuries are to be expected. Kaka on the other hand is a 28 year old who has been getting kicked, pushed, pulled, tripped since he came to Italy. A lot of his injuries started due to this, his problems are now chronic not related to growth like Pato.

Imo there is a reason aside from money as to why Milan suddenly decided to sell him after all the denail in the years before that. He went to Madrid and he keeps getting knee and groin injuries, stupidly played the world cup injured and now he's made it even worse then it already was. And I hate to side with Real fans but I would be p!ssed off too if he did that while playing for my team. Same goes with Sheva when he got injured against Parma in his last game for us, played the WC injured and never recovered from it

Posted by: Zed.D Oct 9 2010, 09:37 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 9 2010, 03:03 AM) *
Yet he still played more games than Pato last season, maybe we should sell him?

Wow you just can't stop can you?

Leave Pato alone. jesus christ!!

Posted by: Jack Bauer Oct 9 2010, 02:21 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Oct 9 2010, 12:37 PM) *
Wow you just can't stop can you?

Leave Pato alone. jesus christ!!

biggrin.gif Next is Leave Pato Alone video on youtube.

BTW if you want, I can go to Birmingham and torture Kurt. Jack Baur loves Pato 96.gif

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