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> Serie A - Week 19 - Milan - Atalanta, Date: 18/01/2015 Time: 15:00 CET

 
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post Jan 18 2015, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 18 2015, 04:01 PM) *
Maybe people will wake up and realise the players aren't very good. Allegri's 3rd place the other year is looking more and more like a miracle. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


They're better than this Kurt. We have a top 3 quality first team, certainly top 5 at worst. This is a bottom 3 level performance.
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post Jan 18 2015, 05:05 PM
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Milan under Allegri, Seedorf and Inzaghi in the last one year and a half, each of them with half a season at their disposal:

Allegri - 22 points; 5 wins, 7 draws, 7 losses
Seedorf - 35 points; 11 wins, 2 draws, 6 losses
Inzaghi - 26 points; 6 wins, 8 draws, 6 losses

Allegri was rightfully sacked because his Milan was unwatchable on top of achieving cringe-worthy results. Seedorf was sacked despite accomplishing a very good 35-point run, including 11 wins and sometimes very attractive football. Inzaghi has accomplished more or less the same as Allegri: terrible results and horrible, horrible displays.

Why was Seedorf sacked? Because a bunch of leeches and cockroaches who have the courage of calling themselves Milan senators showcased direct disapproval to Berlusconi against Seedorf. Because Seedorf was not in agreement with Galliani, as he deemed some players unfit or unworthy to be a part of this team. Some say Seedorf wasn't very warm and respectful, but rather cocky in his overall attitude. Yet, he accomplished very acceptable results during his spell with us.

Now you tell me, why shouldn't Inzaghi be sacked? Because he's a 'Yes-man'. He's Silvio and Galliani's b*tch (pardon my language). He doesn't moan, he doesn't complain. He simply accepts the status quo and doesn't move on. And this way of doing things is perfectly reflected onto his players, who show no desire and willingness to sweat and spit blood for this shirt. They are simply pedestrians on the pitch, acting as individualistic peasants rather than professionals fighting for that 3rd spot.

Overall, this club has many problems, but the management is what really brings us down. We have fallen so low, that winning is not the objective anymore. That Milan mentality has been lost for good...
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post Jan 18 2015, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 18 2015, 09:57 PM) *
Not in this case. That's a top 3 Serie A team and this fucking idiot has it playing like a bottom 3 one.

Agree that B&G aren't exactly conducive to good things but Pippo's to blame for this crap.

Nah, I'm actually taking a macro view, because, they were the ones that appointed him. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Knowing that he barely any coaching experience of professional football, and zero knowledge of how to manage a big team a top club like this. The last thing we needed these past few years was an inexperienced coach that learns on the job.

Getting back to your point, though, yeah Inzaghi is to blame for these atrocious displays, and the players too. They're just taking fans for a ride, that's all. I mean, Atalanta for heaven's sake. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) And look at the players we have at our disposal. But all said, Berlusconi, and in particular, Galliani should have known better than to hire Inzaghi.

There may come a day when all these character disappear from the club, and for me that day couldn't come sooner.
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post Jan 18 2015, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 18 2015, 10:05 PM) *
Overall, this club has many problems, but the management is what really brings us down. We have fallen so low, that winning is not the objective anymore. That Milan mentality has been lost for good...

Exactly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) We can blame the players and the coach as much as we want, but more blame should go to the ones that brought them here, in full knowledge that they were mediocre. And in the case of Inzaghi, he did not even have a history of managing a big team. The appointments of Leo, Seedorf and Allegri were the same actually.

Galliani doesn't have the gal to go hire a real, true, tested coach. A coach, not a rookie in a suit masquerading as one. Besides, Inzaghi was just a poacher, I never for one believed he had footballing intelligence, something that a midfield player for instance would have. For this reason hiring Seedorf was a chance I was willing to bet on.

But Allegri and Lenoardo, who are they but and what real knowledge of the game do they possess? It showed in their every decision, every substitution, and every lineup they fielded.
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post Jan 18 2015, 05:16 PM
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Oh, and just for the record, I believe we'd have won the league if Pablo was in charge. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Pablo, as in Diego Pablo Simeone, or someone of his type that could extract the best from all available players. We haven't had a motivational coach in eons, actually. Someone that lifts the squad up by a few marks just with his actions.
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post Jan 18 2015, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE (acid911 @ Jan 18 2015, 01:16 PM) *
Oh, and just for the record, I believe we'd have won the league if Pablo was in charge. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Pablo, as in Diego Pablo Simeone, or someone of his type that could extract the best from all available players. We haven't had a motivational coach in eons, actually. Someone that lifts the squad up by a few marks just with his actions.

who fits that mold? Mihajlovic is too principled to join an ex direct rival. what does that leave us with? Serse Cosmi? and lessn't forget that Pippo was supposed to be our motivator
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post Jan 18 2015, 08:20 PM
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Also i've read that abate called out Cerci on his lax positioning and they got into a brawl...This can be either good or terrible, though it's nice to see some players give a **** a midst these performances...
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post Jan 18 2015, 09:20 PM
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I'm going to give some ratings for the hell of it:

Lopez: 7 Stopped it being worse. Had no chance with the goal.

Abate: 7 Can hold his head high. No lack of fight and kept trying to create up front, while doing a decent job at the back.

Mexes: 6 Reasonable overall.

Rami: 5 Mediocrity at its finest.

Bonera: 5 Did as well as a natural CB can at LB.

De Jong: 6 Not bad, been better, but some good moments of play breaking.

Monto: 2 Just...terrible. After a bright period of good form on his return, he's become worse than last season's Monto now. Since Sassuolo...just diabolical. Van Ginkel deserves a chance.

Bona: 8 By miles our best player. Showed skill, fight, willingness to get forward and defend. Really good.

Menez: 2 Back to old Menez.

SES: 6 He put everything he had in, but for all the effort up front, there is just rarely end product with him. But he's played worse than this.

Cerci: 3 Horrendous. Showed no attacking flair, and rightly subbed off.

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Armero: 6 To give him his dues he had a decent match - best he's played for us.

Pazzo: 4 Back to normal Pazzo. Effort but lack of quality.

Niang: 6 tbh he showed more attacking quality in his cameo than Menez & Cerci combined.

I don't actually blame any individual vfor the goal - it was just an all round poorly organised Milan conceding again. Oddly enough I noticed De Jong peg the danger but knew he couldn't get there in time. Pity he hadn't tracked the runner.

Pippo: 0 His time is up. Can't manage, can't motivate, hasn't the first clue about tactics, or altering a system, and consistently rotates the team no matter who is playing about how they're doing.

He needs to go.
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post Jan 18 2015, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jan 18 2015, 07:20 PM) *
Also i've read that abate called out Cerci on his lax positioning and they got into a brawl...This can be either good or terrible, though it's nice to see some players give a **** a midst these performances...


Abate is one of the most honourable players we have. He cares.

But not sure why Cerci is being blamed for bad positioning. In what sense? Attack? Defence?
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post Jan 18 2015, 10:52 PM
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PS the Cerci Abate spat has been more or less confirmed.
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post Jan 19 2015, 01:09 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 18 2015, 09:20 PM) *
Monto: 2 Just...terrible. After a bright period of good form on his return, he's become worse than last season's Monto now. Since Sassuolo...just diabolical. Van Ginkel deserves a chance.


As I said in my previous post, he's the embodiment of this Milan. Mediocre player. I was closely observing him, whenever we had the ball in midfield, he was just lazily walking instead of freeing himself to receive the pass. This is something most of our players do, and one of our main issues that need to be addressed, but Montolivo is the captain. He's supposed to be the leader and brains of our midfield. To expect such behavior from him is unacceptable. He's a very small player, and to have him tarnish the legendary Milan armband perfectly demonstrates how low we have fallen.
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post Jan 19 2015, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 18 2015, 08:01 PM) *
Maybe people will wake up and realise the players aren't very good. Allegri's 3rd place the other year is looking more and more like a miracle. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


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post Jan 19 2015, 12:25 PM
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Just re-watched the goal. It's clearly De Jong's fault for leaving Denis run into the box. Mexes also should have been more aware at the moment of the pass.
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post Jan 19 2015, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 19 2015, 12:09 AM) *
As I said in my previous post, he's the embodiment of this Milan. Mediocre player. I was closely observing him, whenever we had the ball in midfield, he was just lazily walking instead of freeing himself to receive the pass. This is something most of our players do, and one of our main issues that need to be addressed, but Montolivo is the captain. He's supposed to be the leader and brains of our midfield. To expect such behavior from him is unacceptable. He's a very small player, and to have him tarnish the legendary Milan armband perfectly demonstrates how low we have fallen.


Can't disagree on current form. But I will say that without the captaincy he was MUCH better in 2012/2013. The guy just never was captain material, and I'm even wondering how he got it at Fiorentina as there isn't a leading bone in his body.
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post Jan 19 2015, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 19 2015, 11:25 AM) *
Just re-watched the goal. It's clearly De Jong's fault for leaving Denis run into the box. Mexes also should have been more aware at the moment of the pass.


Like I said in my post, De Jong at least did track back but pegged the danger too late - where was Monto? Half way line doing absolutely nothing.

And the goal itself was a collaboration of about 5 or 6 failings in truth - all defensive. But the gap between Mexes and Bonera was just comical.
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