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Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 24 2017, 09:52 AM
One of those really rare situations, when we have a 6-0 aggregate score to bank on before a game. Gives the team flexibility to try out some new tactics.
QUOTE
Montella's words before the game
Following the arrival in Macedonia, Vincenzo Montella and Marco Storari addressed the media at the press conference held on the eve of the Europa League meeting, for the second leg of the playoffs. The Rossoneri coach and the goalkeeper discussed different topics with the local media and the Italian journalists: the match against Shkendija, Serie A and also the tragedy occurred in Ischia. These were their words:
ISCHIA
“My thoughts are with the people in Ischia. They have always shown a great sense of hospitality to me and to everyone I know. I have so many friends there. It’s a special place to me.
THE MATCH
“I will make some changes in the line-up. We have a deep squad. After the match against Cagliari many will travel to play with their national teams and until December we will be playing every three days. Squad rotation seems normal to me. Tomorrow will be a different match compared to the one played at San Siro. We had lots of enthusiasm, but this time it will be harder. We must play to win, we cannot slow down. It’s an opportunity to show our improvement. We are playing in the Europa League and we must not underestimate any team.
SQUAD ROTATION
“Since we have many matches to come, I would like to give a chance to the ones that haven’t played that much. I may try a new system of play regardless of those I have available.
THE TEAM
“I am proud of the team’s positive attitude because regardless of last match’s result many players have shown me they want to play this game. How far can we go? We aim high, we are focused on becoming a solid team and we are not setting any boundaries.
EUROPA LEAGUE VS SERIE A
“We put all our energy in every match. For us, there is no difference. Serie A is very tough. A few teams are above us, but we are confident and we know we can fight to finish up there, in the league. Regarding Juventus we don't think about them, we are focused only on ourselves. Only time can tell what we can achieve and what we are capable of. We are still under construction.
THE STRIKER
"We don't have that many options up front, despite having signed Kalinić. André Silva or Cutrone? After the internationals break, where both should be called up with their national teams, we have a tough month ahead of us and we'll need everyone. They will both get the chance to play, together or not".
ROMAGNOLI AND NIANG
"Romagnoli has always been considered not for sale. He's a very important player for us who can play both in a 3-man and 4-man defence but still has a lot of room for improvement. Niang? I feel for him because I have a great relationship with the kid. I wish him to get well soon from this form of stress".
THE YOUNGSTERS
"Zanellato is a quality player and he might have a chance to play, but so are the other youngsters I have called up. Many players of our Primavera come with us in the senior team so that they can gain experience and this can help them improve".
Marco Storari as well addressed the media at the press conference on the eve of the clash against Shkendija: "I want to thank the boss for giving me the opportunity to play tomorrow. Here everyone wants to do well, we have many new players, young. The club has done well in this transfer market window". Among these, is Bonucci: "I was surprised with his arrival. I am really happy because he's a friend and a great player that can add quality to this team". On the team's mentality: "There's the desire to do well, but you don't build a winning mentality overnight". Finally, on his role as motivator in the dressing room: "Motivator? There's no need. Everybody is showing the desire to do well and a great spirit".
Following the arrival in Macedonia, Vincenzo Montella and Marco Storari addressed the media at the press conference held on the eve of the Europa League meeting, for the second leg of the playoffs. The Rossoneri coach and the goalkeeper discussed different topics with the local media and the Italian journalists: the match against Shkendija, Serie A and also the tragedy occurred in Ischia. These were their words:
ISCHIA
“My thoughts are with the people in Ischia. They have always shown a great sense of hospitality to me and to everyone I know. I have so many friends there. It’s a special place to me.
THE MATCH
“I will make some changes in the line-up. We have a deep squad. After the match against Cagliari many will travel to play with their national teams and until December we will be playing every three days. Squad rotation seems normal to me. Tomorrow will be a different match compared to the one played at San Siro. We had lots of enthusiasm, but this time it will be harder. We must play to win, we cannot slow down. It’s an opportunity to show our improvement. We are playing in the Europa League and we must not underestimate any team.
SQUAD ROTATION
“Since we have many matches to come, I would like to give a chance to the ones that haven’t played that much. I may try a new system of play regardless of those I have available.
THE TEAM
“I am proud of the team’s positive attitude because regardless of last match’s result many players have shown me they want to play this game. How far can we go? We aim high, we are focused on becoming a solid team and we are not setting any boundaries.
EUROPA LEAGUE VS SERIE A
“We put all our energy in every match. For us, there is no difference. Serie A is very tough. A few teams are above us, but we are confident and we know we can fight to finish up there, in the league. Regarding Juventus we don't think about them, we are focused only on ourselves. Only time can tell what we can achieve and what we are capable of. We are still under construction.
THE STRIKER
"We don't have that many options up front, despite having signed Kalinić. André Silva or Cutrone? After the internationals break, where both should be called up with their national teams, we have a tough month ahead of us and we'll need everyone. They will both get the chance to play, together or not".
ROMAGNOLI AND NIANG
"Romagnoli has always been considered not for sale. He's a very important player for us who can play both in a 3-man and 4-man defence but still has a lot of room for improvement. Niang? I feel for him because I have a great relationship with the kid. I wish him to get well soon from this form of stress".
THE YOUNGSTERS
"Zanellato is a quality player and he might have a chance to play, but so are the other youngsters I have called up. Many players of our Primavera come with us in the senior team so that they can gain experience and this can help them improve".
Marco Storari as well addressed the media at the press conference on the eve of the clash against Shkendija: "I want to thank the boss for giving me the opportunity to play tomorrow. Here everyone wants to do well, we have many new players, young. The club has done well in this transfer market window". Among these, is Bonucci: "I was surprised with his arrival. I am really happy because he's a friend and a great player that can add quality to this team". On the team's mentality: "There's the desire to do well, but you don't build a winning mentality overnight". Finally, on his role as motivator in the dressing room: "Motivator? There's no need. Everybody is showing the desire to do well and a great spirit".
Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2017, 11:58 AM
You're just not as good as Han, Jack.
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 24 2017, 12:02 PM
I'll be curious to see how the kids do in this one. Hoping to find a stream.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 24 2017, 12:56 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2017, 06:28 PM) 
You're just not as good as Han, Jack.
Yeah. Fine. han can do it from now on. I'm done with my good deed for the decade. You ungrateful so-and-so.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 24 2017, 12:57 PM
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Aug 24 2017, 06:32 PM)
I'll be curious to see how the kids do in this one. Hoping to find a stream.
Head to a pub and watch it like civilized fan folk. Ugh. Streams.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 24 2017, 12:58 PM
Where do you guys usually watch Milan games? I've been using streams for years, due to being abroad for a few years and Milan sucking at the same time. But this year I made the paid subscription so I'll be watching the games on TV. At last.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 24 2017, 01:05 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2017, 07:28 PM)
Where do you guys usually watch Milan games? I've been using streams for years, due to being abroad for a few years and Milan sucking at the same time. But this year I made the paid subscription so I'll be watching the games on TV. At last.
I recently signed up to bet365. The bootleg streams are now impossible to operate if you have any malware or ad blocks installed. When they do telecast on TV, I watch it on TV. Here in the UK BT Sport shows a few.
Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2017, 01:51 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 24 2017, 01:05 PM)
I recently signed up to bet365. The bootleg streams are now impossible to operate if you have any malware or ad blocks installed. When they do telecast on TV, I watch it on TV. Here in the UK BT Sport shows a few.
Can't full screen bet365 can you? It's always a small box.
As for BT, they don't have the rights to UEL qualifiers. But assuming we get through, yeah, they will have all the group matches - definitely on the red button and some nights on the main presentation meaning HD.
Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2017, 01:52 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 24 2017, 12:57 PM)
Head to a pub and watch it like civilized fan folk. Ugh. Streams.
Yeah the old stalwarts Cricfree and VIP have died this season. I tried to get Kodi working but frankly couldn't make head or tail of it.
Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2017, 01:52 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2017, 12:58 PM)
Where do you guys usually watch Milan games? I've been using streams for years, due to being abroad for a few years and Milan sucking at the same time. But this year I made the paid subscription so I'll be watching the games on TV. At last.
I'm guessing this paid sub doesn't apply to UK?
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 24 2017, 01:55 PM
Milan Club London init bruv.
Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 24 2017, 02:04 PM
QUOTE (Ry4n @ Aug 24 2017, 08:25 PM)
Milan Club London init bruv.
Who's in the UK now? Me, Danny, kurt, dst, Milan_Is_Brilliant and who else?
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 24 2017, 02:13 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2017, 01:52 PM)
I'm guessing this paid sub doesn't apply to UK?
No, it's an Albanian service.
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 24 2017, 02:27 PM
All the league games and EL games from group stage on will be televised here in the US (RAI or BeIn Sports for Serie A and ESPN for EL). I have only had to resort to bad streams for the EL qualifiers, which have not been televised.
BeIn is pretty awful in the US - it's more like the Barca/Madrid channel, with occasional crumbs elsewhere. I tend to watch the games on RAI if I have an option. Much better commentary.
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 24 2017, 02:38 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 24 2017, 06:04 PM)
Who's in the UK now? Me, Danny, kurt, dst, Milan_Is_Brilliant and who else?
Not sure mate a few though.
The pub is a good place with plenty of rage
well over the years it has been....
Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2017, 03:59 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2017, 02:13 PM)
No, it's an Albanian service.
Poo. Cheers.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 04:53 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2017, 12:58 PM)
Where do you guys usually watch Milan games? I've been using streams for years, due to being abroad for a few years and Milan sucking at the same time. But this year I made the paid subscription so I'll be watching the games on TV. At last.
I bought an IPTV subscription, €€100 for the entire year and it works like a charm
Have my pick of UK/Italian/German/other countries channels so I'm never left stranded
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2017, 01:52 PM)
Yeah the old stalwarts Cricfree and VIP have died this season. I tried to get Kodi working but frankly couldn't make head or tail of it.
Kodi isn't that reliable with live streams and with all the best addons not being maintained anymore it's not that great nowadays. Just started using the Convenant and Genesis reborn addons for TV series and movies and so far they're working ok
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 24 2017, 07:59 PM
Nice play by Locatelli and Cutrone there.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 08:22 PM
Here pls
Posted by: Ry4n Aug 24 2017, 08:23 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 25 2017, 12:22 AM)
Here pls
Yes sir.
I bet on everything nothing is holy.
Posted by: milanbuf88 Aug 24 2017, 08:30 PM
Mauri is pretty awful
Posted by: amancik Aug 24 2017, 08:31 PM
There's a clear gulf in class between our new transfers and our old players. Zapata, Mauri, Antonelli are nothing compared to Musacchio, Kessie/Biglia and Rodriguez.
After seeing the first-half, I'll take Rafinha at this point. Mauri is not good enough even as a back up.
Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2017, 08:35 PM
A number of observations:
I noticed Bonucci playing a damn sight better tonight, then it clicked that he clearly feels happier in a 3 at the back.
Which takes me to my second observation:
3-5-2 could be the best formation for this squad. Not all our best players can play but it might just be the best blend:
----------------Donna
----Musacchio, Romagnoli, Bonucci
Conti Kessie Biglia Jack Rodriguez
--------------Kalinic/Silva
--------------------Cutrone
I just can't fit everyone in. Can't find a place for Suso in particular.
PS I don't know if you guys noticed but Cutrone is the absolute real deal.
PPS I'm torn on Silva. I am appreciating his work off the ball and his skill. He's quite a classy player. But he has a real lack of cutting edge and composure for the final act/shot and it's becoming clear why he's not a big scorer.
Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2017, 08:36 PM
QUOTE (amancik @ Aug 24 2017, 08:31 PM)
There's a clear gulf in class between our new transfers and our old players. Zapata, Mauri, Antonelli are nothing compared to Musacchio, Kessie/Biglia and Rodriguez.
After seeing the first-half, I'll take Rafinha at this point. Mauri is not good enough even as a back up.
After seeing the first-half, I'll take Rafinha at this point. Mauri is not good enough even as a back up.
Mauri is one of these 'gets better the more he doesn't play'.
He is utter shite.
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 24 2017, 08:37 PM
Well, Locatelli and Cutrone have clearly played together before. Good work on that goal.
Zanellato seemed to have a good half. I was less impressed by Mauri and Calabria.
Posted by: milanbuf88 Aug 24 2017, 08:39 PM
QUOTE (amancik @ Aug 24 2017, 04:31 PM)
There's a clear gulf in class between our new transfers and our old players. Zapata, Mauri, Antonelli are nothing compared to Musacchio, Kessie/Biglia and Rodriguez.
After seeing the first-half, I'll take Rafinha at this point. Mauri is not good enough even as a back up.
After seeing the first-half, I'll take Rafinha at this point. Mauri is not good enough even as a back up.
Agreed. God help us if we ever have to start all of them on a consistent basis. I liked what I saw from Locatelli, Cutrone, and Zanellato. Zanellato plays a lot of very simple balls but he's pretty tidy.
Posted by: William405 Aug 24 2017, 08:49 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2017, 10:35 PM)
A number of observations:
I noticed Bonucci playing a damn sight better tonight, then it clicked that he clearly feels happier in a 3 at the back.
Which takes me to my second observation:
3-5-2 could be the best formation for this squad. Not all our best players can play but it might just be the best blend:
----------------Donna
----Musacchio, Romagnoli, Bonucci
Conti Kessie Biglia Jack Rodriguez
--------------Kalinic/Silva
--------------------Cutrone
I just can't fit everyone in. Can't find a place for Suso in particular.
PS I don't know if you guys noticed but Cutrone is the absolute real deal.
PPS I'm torn on Silva. I am appreciating his work off the ball and his skill. He's quite a classy player. But he has a real lack of cutting edge and composure for the final act/shot and it's becoming clear why he's not a big scorer.
I noticed Bonucci playing a damn sight better tonight, then it clicked that he clearly feels happier in a 3 at the back.
Which takes me to my second observation:
3-5-2 could be the best formation for this squad. Not all our best players can play but it might just be the best blend:
----------------Donna
----Musacchio, Romagnoli, Bonucci
Conti Kessie Biglia Jack Rodriguez
--------------Kalinic/Silva
--------------------Cutrone
I just can't fit everyone in. Can't find a place for Suso in particular.
PS I don't know if you guys noticed but Cutrone is the absolute real deal.
PPS I'm torn on Silva. I am appreciating his work off the ball and his skill. He's quite a classy player. But he has a real lack of cutting edge and composure for the final act/shot and it's becoming clear why he's not a big scorer.
Not so sure about the formation yet!
Totally agreed about Cutrone! He's such a beast. I'm so impressed.
I also feel the same about Silva. He scares me in Serie A because he seems somewhat lightweight. He has a lot of skill that's for sure. I do believe though he has a long way to go, and I think he won't be an absolute starter in every game...at least for this season.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 24 2017, 08:49 PM
Abate for Romagnoli.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 08:49 PM
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Aug 24 2017, 08:30 PM)
Mauri is pretty awful
Agreed, him and Antonelli have been really bad, especially considering who we were playing against.
QUOTE (amancik @ Aug 24 2017, 08:31 PM)
There's a clear gulf in class between our new transfers and our old players. Zapata, Mauri, Antonelli are nothing compared to Musacchio, Kessie/Biglia and Rodriguez.
After seeing the first-half, I'll take Rafinha at this point. Mauri is not good enough even as a back up.
After seeing the first-half, I'll take Rafinha at this point. Mauri is not good enough even as a back up.
Agreed. That's why I've been saying we're missing another CM and a winger before we can say the squad is complete
Today Fassone actually let slip that we'll sign someone if a player leaves. So let's hope Sosa and Niang finally f off
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2017, 08:35 PM)
A number of observations:
I noticed Bonucci playing a damn sight better tonight, then it clicked that he clearly feels happier in a 3 at the back.
Which takes me to my second observation:
3-5-2 could be the best formation for this squad. Not all our best players can play but it might just be the best blend:
----------------Donna
----Musacchio, Romagnoli, Bonucci
Conti Kessie Biglia Jack Rodriguez
--------------Kalinic/Silva
--------------------Cutrone
I just can't fit everyone in. Can't find a place for Suso in particular.
PS I don't know if you guys noticed but Cutrone is the absolute real deal.
PPS I'm torn on Silva. I am appreciating his work off the ball and his skill. He's quite a classy player. But he has a real lack of cutting edge and composure for the final act/shot and it's becoming clear why he's not a big scorer.
I noticed Bonucci playing a damn sight better tonight, then it clicked that he clearly feels happier in a 3 at the back.
Which takes me to my second observation:
3-5-2 could be the best formation for this squad. Not all our best players can play but it might just be the best blend:
----------------Donna
----Musacchio, Romagnoli, Bonucci
Conti Kessie Biglia Jack Rodriguez
--------------Kalinic/Silva
--------------------Cutrone
I just can't fit everyone in. Can't find a place for Suso in particular.
PS I don't know if you guys noticed but Cutrone is the absolute real deal.
PPS I'm torn on Silva. I am appreciating his work off the ball and his skill. He's quite a classy player. But he has a real lack of cutting edge and composure for the final act/shot and it's becoming clear why he's not a big scorer.
Hmm, Don't you think that Suso would be the better pick to play behind the main striker?
Also, I like Cutrone, but there's no way he's going to be leading the line once we face the better teams. He definitely looks like the real deal, ice cold in fron of goal, but he's not yet reached a level where he can be the starter imo.
Also, regarding the formation, I've been advocating a 3 at the back for a while now, but Bonucci looks like the only one who's really enjoying it the other's look confused imo
As for Silva, agreed that he's a classy skilful player, and still lacking that bit of end product, he's still 21, plenty of room to improve on that but so far I'm impressed with him, same goes for Cutrone. They offer such versatility together imo
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Aug 24 2017, 08:39 PM)
Agreed. God help us if we ever have to start all of them on a consistent basis. I liked what I saw from Locatelli, Cutrone, and Zanellato. Zanellato plays a lot of very simple balls but he's pretty tidy.
Haven't been all that impressed with Zanaletto so far tbh
Posted by: William405 Aug 24 2017, 08:50 PM
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Aug 24 2017, 10:39 PM)
Agreed. God help us if we ever have to start all of them on a consistent basis. I liked what I saw from Locatelli, Cutrone, and Zanellato. Zanellato plays a lot of very simple balls but he's pretty tidy.
Yeah, agreed there. Zanellato doesn't impress me a lot, but he doesn't seem too bad.
Though, Antonelli and Mauri have been really bad. It's good..shows who's not good enough to be here.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 08:53 PM
Montella giving Antonelli the hook, Abate on
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 08:53 PM
Players look like they've had enough and want to go in at this point. Can't blame them, it has to be hard playing 7-0 up
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 08:55 PM
Hmm, I was wrong
Who came off? Romagnoli?
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 24 2017, 08:56 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 24 2017, 08:55 PM)
Hmm, I was wrong
Who came off? Romagnoli?
Who came off? Romagnoli?
Yes.
Posted by: amancik Aug 24 2017, 08:58 PM
I knew there's something different about Cutrone as compared to our previous "promising" youth players. It's still early to tell how influential he will be to our season but he does look like the real deal.
As with Silva, clearly he has the skills to succeed. But he's not ready to lead the line this season, maybe next season. Now, Kalinic's signing makes even more sense.
Posted by: milanbuf88 Aug 24 2017, 08:59 PM
Suso on for Cutrone
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 24 2017, 09:03 PM
Suso is so good man.
Posted by: milanbuf88 Aug 24 2017, 09:04 PM
Suso making an impact immediately. I wonder if Fassone can manage to sell Mauri somewhere before other directors have a chance to watch this tape? Clearly the worst midfielder on the roster.
Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 24 2017, 09:06 PM
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Aug 24 2017, 11:04 PM)
Suso making an impact immediately. I wonder if Fassone can manage to sell Mauri somewhere before other directors have a chance to watch this tape? Clearly the worst midfielder on the roster.
If someone we can include the offer 3 (Mauri and Antonelli) in 1 that would be awesome. Pay for 1, recieve 2.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 09:07 PM
Why is Calabria occupying the the left side of the back 3 while Antonelli (who can barely run btw) is playing the wing back role. Makes no sense
Posted by: amancik Aug 24 2017, 09:12 PM
I think we need sub Mauri now if we want to keep a clean sheet.
Posted by: milanbuf88 Aug 24 2017, 09:14 PM
Gabbia on for Locatelli
Posted by: milanbuf88 Aug 24 2017, 09:16 PM
Gabbia having #46 and Zanellato having #45 is slightly confusing
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 09:20 PM
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Aug 24 2017, 09:16 PM)
Gabbia having #46 and Zanellato having #45 is slightly confusing
Him, Locatelli and Zanaletto have very similar builds so I'm confusing them at times.
Gabbia has had some nice touches since coming on.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 09:23 PM
The broadcast for this is really annoying, they keep panning to the fans even while the game is going on at times
Posted by: milanbuf88 Aug 24 2017, 09:28 PM
What happened to Antonelli? I don't remember him being this awful last year.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 09:32 PM
Who's the worst player on the pitch? Antonelli or Mauri? Difficult one to call but probably Antonelli wins by a smidge
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 09:34 PM
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Aug 24 2017, 09:28 PM)
What happened to Antonelli? I don't remember him being this awful last year.
He barely played last year. He was decent the year before that, now he just looks slow and completely out of touch. Can't even bring simple balls down
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 24 2017, 09:35 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 24 2017, 09:34 PM)
He barely played last year. He was decent the year before that, now he just looks slow and completely out of touch. Can't even bring simple balls down
Nah, he's always been this bad.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 09:36 PM
Andre Silva must want to kill himself today, countless great runs and not once was he put through.
Anyway FT, really bad game imo, but sort of expected with that kind of lead
The management really need to evaluate some players who are on this team and atm aren't being linked to anyone (Antonelli, Mauri)
Posted by: amancik Aug 24 2017, 09:38 PM
That was painful to watch. I hope we don't have to see this anymore this season.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 09:39 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2017, 09:35 PM)
Nah, he's always been this bad.
Really? I don't remember his first season with us being this terrible, in fact I have mostly positive memories of his games from that season. Last season he was out injured for the majority of it, now he doesn't even look like a footballer on the pitch. He actually looks like a retired players when they do those - insert legendary player here's - XI charity friendlies
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 24 2017, 09:40 PM
What a boring game, but kind of expected given the aggregate score and the players on the pitch.
I feel bad for Silva. He was trying so hard to score, but he could have capitalized better those very few chances he had. He really seemed frustrated. Maybe Cutrone's form and Kalinic's signing is putting pressure on him.
Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2017, 09:40 PM
In the UK we have a saying: a game of two halves.
That was one. From a solid fluid and well-organised 3-5-2 in the first half in which most players knew their role and quite a few played rather well, that second half was a disgrace.
The switch to the worst organised 4-4-2/4-3-3 ever was a mess, with Calabria an absolute shambles as a choice for left back when Antonelli was thrown up as left winger ffs.
Giving up wasn't the reason - they didn't stop playing after the early goal. But it just went to pieces in the second half and I can't say a single player out there got pass marks.
I just don't think 4 at the back suits this team. Not with Bonucci in it.
Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2017, 09:41 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2017, 09:40 PM)
What a boring game, but kind of expected given the aggregate score and the players on the pitch.
I feel bad for Silva. He was trying so hard to score, but he could have capitalized better those very few chances he had. He really seemed frustrated. Maybe Cutrone's form and Kalinic's signing is putting pressure on him.
I feel bad for Silva. He was trying so hard to score, but he could have capitalized better those very few chances he had. He really seemed frustrated. Maybe Cutrone's form and Kalinic's signing is putting pressure on him.
And so it should. That's the sort of pressure you get playing at a club like Milan. It should be Cutrone feeling the bite of 60M worth of striking talent he's up against, but he isn't because he's delivering.
I like Silva more than I did but I'm not convinced by him. I also think we overpaid for him.
Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2017, 09:42 PM
QUOTE (amancik @ Aug 24 2017, 09:38 PM)
That was painful to watch. I hope we don't have to see this anymore this season.
Hopefully the last time the dregs like Mauri, Zanaletto (sp), Calabria etc get to play.
fwiw Zapata actually had a not bad game.
Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2017, 09:42 PM
PS was Romagnoli injured?
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 09:43 PM
QUOTE (amancik @ Aug 24 2017, 09:38 PM)
That was painful to watch. I hope we don't have to see this anymore this season.
Montella took the rotation to the extreme, I doubt he'll do this again, The big lead in the first leg is what really decided how this game would be played
Anyway, I thought we were complete pants, only impressive players out there were Cutrone, Silva and maybe Locatelli to an extent.
Mauri looked awful, Antonelli is finished, Zapata was his usual careless self, especially on the ball, Bonucci was decent, nothing special, Romagnoli, I barely noticed him, Zanaletti is clearly not ready to be with the first team, Calabria has imo regressed a bit considering the promise he showed early last season, he's sort of lost his way, especially with the constant shifting around from right to left
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 24 2017, 09:43 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2017, 09:40 PM)
In the UK we have a saying: a game of two halves.
That was one. From a solid fluid and well-organised 3-5-2 in the first half in which most players knew their role and quite a few played rather well, that second half was a disgrace.
The switch to the worst organised 4-4-2/4-3-3 ever was a mess, with Calabria an absolute shambles as a choice for left back when Antonelli was thrown up as left winger ffs.
Giving up wasn't the reason - they didn't stop playing after the early goal. But it just went to pieces in the second half and I can't say a single player out there got pass marks.
I just don't think 4 at the back suits this team. Not with Bonucci in it.
That was one. From a solid fluid and well-organised 3-5-2 in the first half in which most players knew their role and quite a few played rather well, that second half was a disgrace.
The switch to the worst organised 4-4-2/4-3-3 ever was a mess, with Calabria an absolute shambles as a choice for left back when Antonelli was thrown up as left winger ffs.
Giving up wasn't the reason - they didn't stop playing after the early goal. But it just went to pieces in the second half and I can't say a single player out there got pass marks.
I just don't think 4 at the back suits this team. Not with Bonucci in it.
Are you sure we played 4-4-2 in the second half? I think we played 3-5-2 the entire game, only Calabria took Romagnoli's spot in the second half. That's the impression I got anyway.
Posted by: X-Offender Aug 24 2017, 09:44 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2017, 09:42 PM)
PS was Romagnoli injured?
No, I just think 45 minutes was the max he could play given how long he's been inactive.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 24 2017, 09:50 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2017, 09:41 PM)
And so it should. That's the sort of pressure you get playing at a club like Milan. It should be Cutrone feeling the bite of 60M worth of striking talent he's up against, but he isn't because he's delivering.
I like Silva more than I did but I'm not convinced by him. I also think we overpaid for him.
I like Silva more than I did but I'm not convinced by him. I also think we overpaid for him.
First off, why do you keep mentioning 60m? Silva cost us 38m
Also, Cutrone is playing without a single pressure out there, he came through the youth system, cost the club nothing, and has zero pressure on him from anyone to deliver. There's no need for him to feel any heat as there isn't any
Silva has impressed me a lot, his end product needs a bit of work still, but his work rate, movement, dribbling and hold up are all very impressive. He probably does feel pressure, he's playing for a starting spot, while I feel like Cutrone is mostly just enjoying the moment right now, you can see that in how at ease he is with everything
Silva had like 2 half decent balls come at him all game long, I'd be frustrated too if I didn't play at the weekend when all the better players were on the pitch and then work my @ss off to get into great positions and no one gives me the ball because they're incapable of seeing my runs
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2017, 09:42 PM)
PS was Romagnoli injured?
Probably taken off to avoid it. Montella probably just wanted to give him a run out, see how his knee holds up
Posted by: Forza Milan! Aug 24 2017, 09:55 PM
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Aug 24 2017, 03:27 PM)
All the league games and EL games from group stage on will be televised here in the US (RAI or BeIn Sports for Serie A and ESPN for EL). I have only had to resort to bad streams for the EL qualifiers, which have not been televised.
BeIn is pretty awful in the US - it's more like the Barca/Madrid channel, with occasional crumbs elsewhere. I tend to watch the games on RAI if I have an option. Much better commentary.
BeIn is pretty awful in the US - it's more like the Barca/Madrid channel, with occasional crumbs elsewhere. I tend to watch the games on RAI if I have an option. Much better commentary.
Out of curiosity, where do you get RAI? I get BeIn at home and coverage is OK but not great
Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 24 2017, 10:02 PM
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Aug 24 2017, 04:55 PM)
Out of curiosity, where do you get RAI? I get BeIn at home and coverage is OK but not great
It's offered as a separate add on by my cable provider. It's not regular RAI - but RAI international. Costs me $9/month
It shows a lot of the regular programs - Il Posto al Sole and Domenico Sportiva - but not the full RAI programming you'd get in Italy (e.g. no Gomorra reruns, though Gomorra WAS shown on Sundance channel).
It also shows both Saturday games and the Sunday games. Those with moreo than one game at a time focus on a main game but cut to others realtime if there's a goal.
Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2017, 10:15 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 24 2017, 09:50 PM)
First off, why do you keep mentioning 60m? Silva cost us 38m
Yes, and Kalinic cost us 20M? Add the two you get 60M? And I didn't keep mentioning it, only mentioned it once?
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Also, Cutrone is playing without a single pressure out there, he came through the youth system, cost the club nothing, and has zero pressure on him from anyone to deliver. There's no need for him to feel any heat as there isn't any
Silva has impressed me a lot, his end product needs a bit of work still, but his work rate, movement, dribbling and hold up are all very impressive. He probably does feel pressure, he's playing for a starting spot, while I feel like Cutrone is mostly just enjoying the moment right now, you can see that in how at ease he is with everything
Silva had like 2 half decent balls come at him all game long, I'd be frustrated too if I didn't play at the weekend when all the better players were on the pitch and then work my @ss off to get into great positions and no one gives me the ball because they're incapable of seeing my runs
Silva has impressed me a lot, his end product needs a bit of work still, but his work rate, movement, dribbling and hold up are all very impressive. He probably does feel pressure, he's playing for a starting spot, while I feel like Cutrone is mostly just enjoying the moment right now, you can see that in how at ease he is with everything
Silva had like 2 half decent balls come at him all game long, I'd be frustrated too if I didn't play at the weekend when all the better players were on the pitch and then work my @ss off to get into great positions and no one gives me the ball because they're incapable of seeing my runs
I don't buy any of this. You're either good enough or you're not. You can't say Cutrone is not under pressure and then dismiss other youth players' substandard play as being under it - EVERYONE at this club is under pressure, and if they don't deliver they don't play. Or shouldn't.
Cutrone is not in a position others have not been in or are are not in. He's just a bloody good player. End of.
Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2017, 10:18 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2017, 09:43 PM)
Are you sure we played 4-4-2 in the second half? I think we played 3-5-2 the entire game, only Calabria took Romagnoli's spot in the second half. That's the impression I got anyway.
It was a mess.
But it looked very much to me like:
Abate, Zapata, Bonucci, Calabria
It did change around a bit, but when there were clear attacks at us the four were pretty obvious in a bank if shittily organised and not in a good line.
But you could be right and it was an even worse organised 3-5-2 still!
Posted by: Danny Aug 24 2017, 10:19 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 24 2017, 09:44 PM)
No, I just think 45 minutes was the max he could play given how long he's been inactive.
Well it and he looked good in that first half. I liked it.
Posted by: Danny Aug 25 2017, 12:36 PM
Ok the place is dead!
We got literally the most crappy boring draw. Group D.
Austria Vienna, Rijek or something (Croatia) and AEK Athens.
We should sleep walk through this group with our eyes closed - beyond a winnable group.
Pasted this in here too.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 25 2017, 03:27 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 24 2017, 10:15 PM)
Yes, and Kalinic cost us 20M? Add the two you get 60M? And I didn't keep mentioning it, only mentioned it once?
I don't buy any of this. You're either good enough or you're not. You can't say Cutrone is not under pressure and then dismiss other youth players' substandard play as being under it - EVERYONE at this club is under pressure, and if they don't deliver they don't play. Or shouldn't.
Cutrone is not in a position others have not been in or are are not in. He's just a bloody good player. End of.
I don't buy any of this. You're either good enough or you're not. You can't say Cutrone is not under pressure and then dismiss other youth players' substandard play as being under it - EVERYONE at this club is under pressure, and if they don't deliver they don't play. Or shouldn't.
Cutrone is not in a position others have not been in or are are not in. He's just a bloody good player. End of.
You mentioned in the Others section how we paid his release clause (which was 60m) and we didn't
Anyway, you're taking this Cutrone thing a bit too far, just like what people (not you) did with Loca last season. Yes, Cutrone is playing without pressure. The other kids are just not good enough imo, I'm not saying that Cutrone isn't good, because he is imo a very good talent. both Calabria and Locatelli last season started on hot streaks, and when people started to pin expectations on them they started to slip up. Locatelli last season was more free in the way he played, he literally took Monto's spot and made it his own (before Monto even got injured), then in the second part of the season when Monto wasn't available and people started to expect things of him he wasn't as good.
With Silva the situation is different, he has a huge price tag to carry around, which isn't his fault, and yesterday was a frustrating game to play in when they players around you keep stumbling over themselves. The only really good ball that was played into the strikers yesterday was Loca's assist for Cutrone, the rest was a nightmare. And when you spend 90 minutes busting your @ss off, to try to score and no one is even seeing your runs, of course you're going to get frustrated
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 25 2017, 12:36 PM)
Ok the place is dead!
We got literally the most crappy boring draw. Group D.
Austria Vienna, Rijek or something (Croatia) and AEK Athens.
We should sleep walk through this group with our eyes closed - beyond a winnable group.
Pasted this in here too.
We got literally the most crappy boring draw. Group D.
Austria Vienna, Rijek or something (Croatia) and AEK Athens.
We should sleep walk through this group with our eyes closed - beyond a winnable group.
Pasted this in here too.
Hmm, the only team I know is AEK and that's because we played them in the 06/07 CL groups stages on our way to winning the competition. don't know much of anything about the other teams. Anyone have any plans of going to the away games because they live close?
Posted by: Danny Aug 26 2017, 01:46 AM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 25 2017, 03:27 PM)
You mentioned in the Others section how we paid his release clause (which was 60m) and we didn't
His release clause was 40M as I understood it. So no, I didn't say 60M.
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Anyway, you're taking this Cutrone thing a bit too far, just like what people (not you) did with Loca last season. Yes, Cutrone is playing without pressure. The other kids are just not good enough imo, I'm not saying that Cutrone isn't good, because he is imo a very good talent. both Calabria and Locatelli last season started on hot streaks, and when people started to pin expectations on them they started to slip up. Locatelli last season was more free in the way he played, he literally took Monto's spot and made it his own (before Monto even got injured), then in the second part of the season when Monto wasn't available and people started to expect things of him he wasn't as good.
Care to account for Donnarumma then?
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With Silva the situation is different, he has a huge price tag to carry around, which isn't his fault, and yesterday was a frustrating game to play in when they players around you keep stumbling over themselves. The only really good ball that was played into the strikers yesterday was Loca's assist for Cutrone, the rest was a nightmare. And when you spend 90 minutes busting your @ss off, to try to score and no one is even seeing your runs, of course you're going to get frustrated
Yet they see Cutrone's? Come on.
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Hmm, the only team I know is AEK and that's because we played them in the 06/07 CL groups stages on our way to winning the competition. don't know much of anything about the other teams. Anyone have any plans of going to the away games because they live close?
There are a few notable teams in Austria - Vienna, Sturm Graz, Rapid, and Salzburg. We got Austria. Obviously. No idea who the Croats are. But I'm very familiar with AEK. Historically anyway. I couldn't tell you a thing about them today.
Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 26 2017, 08:31 AM
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 26 2017, 03:46 AM)
There are a few notable teams in Austria - Vienna, Sturm Graz, Rapid, and Salzburg. We got Austria. Obviously. No idea who the Croats are. But I'm very familiar with AEK. Historically anyway. I couldn't tell you a thing about them today.
Which team is Vienna Danny? I think you got confused a bit. Vienna (=Wien) has two (in fact more, but two important) teams: Rapid Wien and Austria Wien. Historically speaking you are right, Rapid, Austria, Salzburg and Sturm Graz are all notable teams. However, Austria Wien this season shouldn't be a care for us. Rijeka is the defending Croatian champion and a very cohesive and defensive team. All will depend on how soon we'll score because it's a team that builds momentum on holding on as long as possible.
All in all, we should do well in this group with a rotated B-side squad.
Posted by: Danny Aug 26 2017, 11:08 AM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 26 2017, 08:31 AM)
Which team is Vienna Danny? I think you got confused a bit. Vienna (=Wien) has two (in fact more, but two important) teams: Rapid Wien and Austria Wien.
No, not confused, just didn't word it precisely enough. Trust me, I know the teams in Austria. When I said Vienna, I meant Austria. In the way Verona are considered 'Chievo', rather than their city rivals HV. Kinda like we're Milan, and they're Inter.
And you're right, Wien is the Austrian German for 'Vienna'. I just wasn't wanting to be pretentious, for once, by giving the exact dialects.
Yes, Vienna has two teams - Rapid, and Austria.
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Historically speaking you are right, Rapid, Austria, Salzburg and Sturm Graz are all notable teams. However, Austria Wien this season shouldn't be a care for us. Rijeka is the defending Croatian champion and a very cohesive and defensive team. All will depend on how soon we'll score because it's a team that builds momentum on holding on as long as possible.
All in all, we should do well in this group with a rotated B-side squad.
All in all, we should do well in this group with a rotated B-side squad.
I'd hope for barely a goal conceded tbh. It's not far off three Crotones.
Posted by: han2503 Aug 26 2017, 01:28 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 26 2017, 01:46 AM)
His release clause was 40M as I understood it. So no, I didn't say 60M.
Nope his release clause was 60m, Mendes helped in the negotiation for us to pay below his release clause (plus Porto have been in a bind due to FFP and wanted to sell to get some quick money in
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 26 2017, 01:46 AM)
Care to account for Donnarumma then?
I actually started out far more cautious with Donna, I wasn't that impressed with him in his first season, I actually preferred Lopez that season because Donna was very shaky in certain aspects especially his decision making in terms of when to stay put and when to come out (he still is on that front imo)
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 26 2017, 01:46 AM)
Yet they see Cutrone's? Come on.
Cutrone also worked his @ss off and most of his runs went unnoticed as well, and for his goal incidentally both him and Silva went for it but he got there first then Silva moved centrally. It's difficult for strikers when the midfield is so blunt.
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 26 2017, 01:46 AM)
There are a few notable teams in Austria - Vienna, Sturm Graz, Rapid, and Salzburg. We got Austria. Obviously. No idea who the Croats are. But I'm very familiar with AEK. Historically anyway. I couldn't tell you a thing about them today.
Anyway hopefully we don't make a meal out of any of those games and we dispose of them quickly so we can concentrate on the league, the fact that Roma and Napoli both don't have easy CL groups will be good for us
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