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Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 5 2007, 10:46 PM

Not too sure how many of you guys are going to watch it/are interested in it. But I find it great watch, even without some of the higher profile players being there.

It doesn't start for a few weeks but I thought I'd start it up. I believe we have a few Americans and a guy from Venezuela that may have an interest in it anyways. smile.gif

Group A
Venezuela
Uruguay
Peru
Bolivia


Group B
Brazil
Mexico
Chile
Ecuador


Group C
Argentina
Paraguay
Colombia
United States of America

Posted by: Portikins Jun 5 2007, 11:57 PM

Nice thread dude. I was going to open it in days. wink.gif



Without Ronaldinho and Kaka' and probably without some of the big from Argentina this Copa America is not that important. Brazil and co don't take it seriously.

In Europe, everybody fights for a European Championship (like Euro 2004, Euro 2000...) but in Copa America, the big 2 don't give a damn.

Anyway, obviously I'll follow it.

Copa America 2007 from 26 June to 14 of July.

Posted by: dst Jun 6 2007, 12:00 AM

No Kaka... but I always liked the Argentines!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 6 2007, 12:02 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 5 2007, 11:00 PM)
No Kaka... but I always liked the Argentines!
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Argentina are superb to watch, regardless of the players on the field. So I like to see them go quite far. Hopefully Athletico's Sergio Aguero gets picked in the sqad, I'd love to see more of him!

Obviously I enjoy watching them fall at the last hurdle. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jun 6 2007, 12:04 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 6 2007, 02:00 AM)
No Kaka... but I always liked the Argentines!
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Maradona too wink.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: dst Jun 6 2007, 12:06 AM

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 6 2007, 02:04 AM)
Maradona too wink.gif  biggrin.gif
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Yes he is one of them... rolleyes.gif


... biggrin.gif

Posted by: Portikins Jun 6 2007, 12:08 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 6 2007, 12:00 AM)
No Kaka... but I always liked the Argentines!
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I always knew... rolleyes.gif


Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 6 2007, 12:10 AM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jun 5 2007, 11:08 PM)
I always knew...  rolleyes.gif


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Is that some sort of record low for Inter, only 3 Argies in the starting line up!? ohmy.gif

Posted by: KillerMax Jun 6 2007, 12:17 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 5 2007, 05:10 PM)
Is that some sort of record low for Inter, only 3 Argies in the starting line up!?  ohmy.gif
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Yeah, they should be actually proud of that though.

Posted by: dst Jun 6 2007, 12:22 AM

I'm a proud Inter supporter!

****, it's hilarious!! laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Portikins Jun 6 2007, 12:28 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 6 2007, 12:22 AM)
I'm a proud Inter supporter!

****, it's hilarious!! laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Just admit it. cool.gif

Now... a prize ONLY for you:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2134/prizedq4.jpg

biggrin.gif

Posted by: dst Jun 6 2007, 12:38 AM

No, I don't want to take this away from you! smile.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 23 2007, 09:39 PM

It starts up in a few days.. Just one question. Why are Mexico and USA allowed to enter, they're not South American?

Posted by: dst Jun 23 2007, 10:06 PM

America!!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 23 2007, 10:09 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Jun 23 2007, 09:06 PM)
America!!
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Where's Canada then?

I thought the North American teams had the Gold Cup?

Posted by: Portikins Jun 23 2007, 10:46 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 23 2007, 10:09 PM)
Where's Canada then?

I thought the North American teams had the Gold Cup?
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Because it's South America + 3 invited NT's: USA, Mexico and Costa Rica.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 23 2007, 10:54 PM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jun 23 2007, 09:46 PM)
Because it's South America + 3 invited NT's: USA, Mexico and Costa Rica.
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Ah right. Cheers.

Anyways, I've had a look through the squads, this clearly is the stand out team, Brazil's for me is very poor. I've got my money at the Inter lads to go all the way.

1 GK Roberto Abbondanzieri (Getafe)
2 DF Roberto Ayala (Valencia)
3 DF Daniel Díaz (Boca Juniors)
4 DF Hugo Ibarra (Boca Juniors)
5 MF Fernando Gago (Real Madrid)
6 DF Gabriel Heinze (Manchester United)
7 FW Rodrigo Palacio (Boca Juniors)
8 DF Javier Zanetti (Internazionale)
9 FW Hernán Crespo (Internazionale)
10 MF Juan Román Riquelme (Boca Juniors)
11 FW Carlos Tévez (West Ham United)
12 GK Juan Pablo Carrizo (River Plate)
13 MF Lucho González (Porto)
14 MF Javier Mascherano (Liverpool)
15 DF Gabriel Milito (Real Zaragoza)
16 MF Pablo Aimar (Real Zaragoza)
17 DF Nicolás Burdisso (Internazionale)
18 FW Lionel Messi (FC Barcelona)
19 MF Esteban Cambiasso (Internazionale)
20 MF Juan Sebastián (Estudiantes La Plata)
21 FW Diego Milito (Real Zaragoza)
22 GK Agustín Orión (San Lorenzo de Almagro)

Posted by: Portikins Jun 23 2007, 11:24 PM

Clear favourites. Although Brazil always have a word.

Posted by: KillerMax Jun 25 2007, 06:49 AM

Id that Juan Sebastian Veron I'm seeing there? ohmy.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 25 2007, 07:13 AM

QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Jun 25 2007, 05:49 AM)
Id that Juan Sebastian Veron I'm seeing there? ohmy.gif
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I think he's only there because Maxi Rodríguez spent alot of the season injured.

Does anybody know if Higuain can play for Argentina yet? I heard he was applying for citizenship, but I dunno how long that takes.

Posted by: misha Jun 26 2007, 08:56 PM

Starts today with:

Uruguay vs Peru

Venezuela vs Bolivia

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 27 2007, 12:15 AM

Peru lead Uruguay at half time, 1-0. Not sure if it's been any good though, I was at work.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 27 2007, 12:28 AM

I'm watching it. Peru are playing surprisingly well. So far (60th minute or so), Uruguay are utter shite. It's been a pretty decent game. Peru had a second goal disallowed in the first half, btw.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 27 2007, 12:29 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 26 2007, 11:15 PM)
Peru lead Uruguay at half time, 1-0. Not sure if it's been any good though, I was at work.
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Where the hell do you work?! tongue.gif

Ah Copa America goes on until like 3am here though, good luck Kurt if you're trying.

Games been fairly poor I think so far anyway.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 27 2007, 12:38 AM

Good goal - whoever scored it

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 27 2007, 12:38 AM

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jun 26 2007, 11:29 PM)
Where the hell do you work?!  tongue.gif

Ah Copa America goes on until like 3am here though, good luck Kurt if you're trying.

Games been fairly poor I think so far anyway.
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I've got a small cleaning job at my moms school. It brings in the pennies so I'm not complaining. All I can really get with my college hours. sad.gif

Yeah, I'm going to leave my tv on and watch it in bed, if I fall asleep so be it. tongue.gif

Uruguay 0-2 Peru. Pretty nice goal.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 27 2007, 12:40 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 26 2007, 11:38 PM)
I've got a small cleaning job at my moms school. It brings in the pennies so I'm not complaining. All I can really get with my college hours.  sad.gif

Yeah, I'm going to leave my tv on and watch it in bed, if I fall asleep so be it.  tongue.gif

Uruguay 0-2 Peru. Pretty nice goal.
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Haha someone else with sky in their room wink.gif I get called spoiled because I have it yet I pay for the 2nd subscription ah mates are just jealous!

Have you not finished college yet?

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 27 2007, 12:48 AM

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jun 26 2007, 11:40 PM)
Haha someone else with sky in their room  wink.gif  I get called spoiled because I have it yet I pay for the 2nd subscription ah mates are just jealous!

Have you not finished college yet?
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Same for me, I get called spoiled all the time because of having Sky in my room, I really don't understand why. I have to have a job to pay for it. I wouldn't mind, but none of them work. rolleyes.gif

Nah, finish early July. Still got tons of coursework to do. mad.gif


EDIT: Uruguay 0-3 Peru. Huge win, I thought Uruguay were going to do well.

EDIT 2: Uruguay 0-3 Peru. FT

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 27 2007, 02:17 AM

THE HOSTS LEAD!

Venazuela 1-0 Bolivia. Maldonada with a good finish.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 27 2007, 02:30 AM

I hope you guys in the UK are getting better commentary than we're getting here. The Gol TV commentators are /horrible/.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 27 2007, 02:32 AM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 27 2007, 01:30 AM)
I hope you guys in the UK are getting better commentary than we're getting here. The Gol TV commentators are /horrible/.
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It's okay. We've got our La Liga commentary team doing it, they're not the best, but I suppose you get used to them. rolleyes.gif

EDIT: Bolivia have equalised, AWFUL defending. >_<

EDIT 2: PAEZ GIVES VENEZEULA THE LEAD! Awesome finish. cool.gif

2-1 Venezeula.

Posted by: misha Jun 27 2007, 03:11 AM

Bolivia's defence are terrible. 2:1 to Venezuela 58 min

Posted by: misha Jun 27 2007, 03:16 AM

BTW we actually have here someone from Venezuela: sansiro1708.

Posted by: bigmacmtl Jun 27 2007, 03:18 AM

QUOTE (mishale @ Jun 26 2007, 09:11 PM)
Bolivia's defence are terrible. 2:1 to Venezuela 58 min
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hmm 2-1, i thought the president of venezuela said the woudl crush the likes of argentina and brazil? rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

Posted by: misha Jun 27 2007, 03:22 AM

QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Jun 27 2007, 05:18 AM)
hmm 2-1, i thought the president of venezuela said the woudl crush the likes of argentina and brazil? rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif
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A bold statement considering the fact that they never even qualified from the group stage in the whole Coppa history rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 27 2007, 03:35 AM

I don't often root for host teams to do well. But I like this Venezuela team and their fans. I'd like to see them shock a few people and do something decent. smile.gif

P.S. If they win today it'll be their second win in the CA in the last 40 years! ohmy.gif

EDIT: I'm my own worst enemy, when will I learn to shut up. 2-2. sad.gif

Posted by: misha Jun 27 2007, 03:47 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 27 2007, 05:35 AM)
EDIT: I'm my own worst enemy, when will I learn to shut up. 2-2.  sad.gif
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It's all your fault biggrin.gif

A clear penalty on 90 min. Venezuela should have won. Stupid ref.

FT 2:2

Posted by: Warchant Jun 27 2007, 05:18 AM

USA has a VERY VERY VERY young squad at the tournament. Our team has gotten to a crossroads where a lot of the veterans are slowly falling off and a new group of youngsters are coming through. our coach decided to leave a lot of the veterans in the states and let the young guys go to a hostile environment. a lot of these guys have only a couple of caps under their belts. this is going to be a great chance for our young talent to see what it's like in an extremely hostile environment.

i may be going back too far, but the last time we were in this tournament we beat Brazil king.gif

our first game is against argentina unsure.gif

if we win one game in this tournament i will be happy
if we make it out of the group stage i'll be ecstatic
if we, somehow, win the whole thing...i will die

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 27 2007, 08:58 AM

You're probably in the toughest group of all, there is no weak team. I'm sure a top 3 finish will be enough to get you a 'best third placed tea' position in the QFs though.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 28 2007, 12:03 AM

Ecuador 1-0 Chile.

Very nice little cip over the keeper, Ecuador look pretty good.

EDIT: I must say, I'm some sort of curse. 1-1 Cracking goal by the real Suazo. tongue.gif

Posted by: Portikins Jun 28 2007, 12:06 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 28 2007, 12:03 AM)
Ecuador 1-0 Chile.

Very nice little cip over the keeper, Ecuador look pretty good.
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Yup. Ecuador is a nice team.

Chile... they miss the big 2 upfront: Salas and Zamorano. biggrin.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 28 2007, 12:10 AM

Wow, what a burst of goals. 2-1 to Ecuador now, a bit scrappy.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 28 2007, 12:31 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 27 2007, 11:10 PM)
Wow, what a burst of goals. 2-1 to Ecuador now, a bit scrappy.
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You managed to stay up for the 2nd game last night then! I managed to get bored in the opening ceremony and fall asleep tongue.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 28 2007, 12:34 AM

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jun 27 2007, 11:31 PM)
You managed to stay up for the 2nd game last night then! I managed to get bored in the opening ceremony and fall asleep  tongue.gif
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tongue.gif

Yeah, I was up until it finished, I decided to stay on here so I wouldn't fall to asleep. I may have to record the Brazil game tonight though, I can't be going to bed at 4 when I've got to be up at 7. >_<

Posted by: Tennie Jun 28 2007, 12:49 AM

Awww, but Kurt! The Brazil game should be fun!

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 28 2007, 12:52 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 27 2007, 11:34 PM)
tongue.gif

Yeah, I was up until it finished, I decided to stay on here so I wouldn't fall to asleep. I may have to record the Brazil game tonight though, I can't be going to bed at 4 when I've got to be up at 7. >_<
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Haha you get used to little sleep after a while, don't worry cool.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 28 2007, 01:12 AM

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jun 27 2007, 11:52 PM)
Haha you get used to little sleep after a while, don't worry  cool.gif  tongue.gif
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I hope so, I've almost forgotten what sleep feels like. rolleyes.gif

QUOTE
Awww, but Kurt! The Brazil game should be fun!

I've decided to stay up for it, so it had better be fun!

Otherwise I'm blaming you. tongue.gif

Posted by: Portikins Jun 28 2007, 01:18 AM

Fvck. Brazil-Mexico is at 1:50 GMT.

Cvnts. I would like to watch it LiVE. sad.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 28 2007, 01:28 AM

2-2.

Just as the Copa is meant to be, full of goals! biggrin.gif

EDIT: Great free-kick from Chile, 2 goals in 3 minutes. Ecuador 2-3 Chile!

Posted by: Portikins Jun 28 2007, 01:36 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 28 2007, 01:28 AM)
2-2.

Just as the Copa is meant to be, full of goals!  biggrin.gif
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2-3 Chile. laugh.gif

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 28 2007, 02:00 AM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jun 28 2007, 12:36 AM)
2-3 Chile.  laugh.gif
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B******s I was downstairs for 10 mins and I miss all that

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 28 2007, 02:07 AM

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jun 28 2007, 01:00 AM)
B******s I was downstairs for 10 mins and I miss all that
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laugh.gif

Brazil just had a goal disallowed.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 28 2007, 02:11 AM

Seem to get a lot of goals in this tournament but there just isn't the intensity of like a World Cup in my opinion, seems almost like an exhibition at times, perhaps that's just the South American style that I'm not used to.

Or the fact that we've got the dodgy La Liga commentators who are about as exciting as counting sheep rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Tennie Jun 28 2007, 02:15 AM

I'd be thrilled with the dodgy La Liga commentators. The jokers doing commentary for Gol TV are beyond horrible. My stuffed fish doll could do better commentary!

Posted by: Tennie Jun 28 2007, 02:19 AM

Buh. Goal Mexico! 1-0.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 28 2007, 02:19 AM

Mexico 1-0. Superb goal!

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 28 2007, 02:24 AM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 28 2007, 01:15 AM)
I'd be thrilled with the dodgy La Liga commentators. The jokers doing commentary for Gol TV are beyond horrible. My stuffed fish doll could do better commentary!
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Haha, I can't take these guys seriously ever since they commentated for 'Dream Team' on Skyone a dodgy English football program.

The screams of Karl Fletcher just used to make me laugh - Kurt should know what I'm on about!

2-0 Mexico What a goal again

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 28 2007, 02:29 AM

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jun 28 2007, 01:24 AM)
Haha, I can't take these guys seriously ever since they commentated for 'Dream Team' on Skyone a dodgy English football program.

The screams of Karl Fletcher just used to make me laugh - Kurt should know what I'm on about!

2-0 Mexico What a goal again
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Yeah, Mexico look pretty handy up top.

I used to watch Dream Team with my dad. tongue.gif

Not because it was good, it was just awfullly funny. The fact they ALWAYS won/lost the game in the 90th minute. rolleyes.gif

P.S. My dad even has the Harchester away shirt. laugh.gif

Posted by: Tennie Jun 28 2007, 02:33 AM

Er. Go Harchester? smile.gif (We get Dream Team on Fox Soccer Channel).

And Mexico is looking surprisingly strong against Brazil. Just...wow.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 28 2007, 02:39 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 28 2007, 01:29 AM)
I used to watch Dream Team with my dad.  tongue.gif

Not because it was good, it was just awfullly funny. The fact they ALWAYS won/lost the game in the 90th minute.  rolleyes.gif

P.S. My dad even has the Harchester away shirt.  laugh.gif
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Haha laugh.gif I watched it for like the 7th/8th series or something like that the one with Phil Wallace as the chairman the guy who won the lottery and up until that Don bloke crashed into the bus. Think that's their names.

Then at the start of the next series they replaced like everyone and even included a rude boy like Arsenal's Eboue, at that point I gave up with watching it!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 28 2007, 02:46 AM

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jun 28 2007, 01:39 AM)
Haha  laugh.gif  I watched it for like the 7th/8th series or something like that the one with Phil Wallace as the chairman the guy who won the lottery and up until that Don bloke crashed into the bus. Think that's their names.

Then at the start of the next series they replaced like everyone and even included a rude boy like Arsenal's Eboue, at that point I gave up with watching it!
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Yeah. That's all I watched, too. I don't remember many names though, just Fletcher and Jaws, the keeper. He was hilarious, he looked like a complete nutter. laugh.gif

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 28 2007, 02:50 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 28 2007, 01:46 AM)
Yeah. That's all I watched, too. I don't remember many names though, just Fletcher and Jaws, the keeper. He was hilarious, he looked like a complete nutter.  laugh.gif
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Oh yeah I remember him, bet there was some other reasons as well I certainly remember Tash Parker not often you see a stunning English girl like her!

I need to start watching some of this 'Lost' stuff or 'Prison Break' or something I don't really follow any TV programs anymore!

Just realized a strong correlation as well they've all moved onto soaps!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 28 2007, 03:23 AM

The way Mexico's defenders and keeper are playing, they deserve 3 points. Their keeper just made the most fantastic save. ohmy.gif

Posted by: Tennie Jun 28 2007, 03:42 AM

Shocking. Brazil totally outclassed by Mexico. It could easily have been more than the 2-0 final result.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 28 2007, 03:48 AM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 28 2007, 02:42 AM)
Shocking. Brazil totally outclassed by Mexico. It could easily have been more than the 2-0 final result.
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Very deserving win.

How the hell did Castillo miss that chance at the end! laugh.gif

Posted by: Warchant Jun 28 2007, 04:04 AM

Mexico is just pissed after getting owned by the US again laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: amancik Jun 28 2007, 04:17 AM

The heck happened to BraziL?

Posted by: arivanjj Jun 28 2007, 07:58 AM

QUOTE (amancik @ Jun 28 2007, 01:17 PM)
The heck happened to BraziL?
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2 words... KAKA, RONALDO

Posted by: dst Jun 28 2007, 11:49 AM

Castillo is good. Not Mexican. And I don't like him!

Posted by: Portikins Jun 28 2007, 11:58 AM

QUOTE (amancik @ Jun 28 2007, 04:17 AM)
The heck happened to BraziL?
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No Kaka', no Ronaldinho... just the 2 world's best. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: amancik Jun 28 2007, 04:00 PM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jun 28 2007, 11:58 AM)
No Kaka', no Ronaldinho... just the 2 world's best.  rolleyes.gif
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I thought Diego and Robinho were good enough to carry the team, guess I was wrong

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jun 28 2007, 08:51 PM

I enjoyed it looking forward to seeing the Argie boys tonight - if I can stay awake!

Posted by: Tennie Jun 28 2007, 08:57 PM

Yeah, the Argies are going to be interesting to watch. I fear for the poor US team.

Posted by: misha Jun 28 2007, 09:00 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 28 2007, 10:57 PM)
Yeah, the Argies are going to be interesting to watch. I fear for the poor US team.
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I heard they arrived without players who play in Europe ,so it would be extra difficult.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 28 2007, 09:12 PM

My understanding is that the US coach had to rotate the call-ups between the Gold Cup and the Copa America, since MLS is in the middle of its season. The Gold Cup, being the CONCACAF tournament, got the priority. So yeah, some of the names you would normally expect to see won't be there. (However, I'll be interested to see how the two DC United guys do. They're my local team.)

Posted by: dst Jun 28 2007, 11:52 PM

Go Lionel!! cool.gif

Posted by: Tennie Jun 29 2007, 12:42 AM

Well, Roque Santa Cruz has scored twice so far to put Paraguay ahead of Colombia (48th min). Not the most thrilling of games, thus far.

Edit: Make that three goals for Santa Cruz. And yet another from Paraguay just now (85th minute). Er. And another in the 87th. Poor Colombia. DULL game.

Posted by: Portikins Jun 29 2007, 12:45 AM

From yesterday match... Robinho >>> Brazil squad. rolleyes.gif

Well, without Kaka' and Ronaldinho... Robinho is the best foward/SS/LW they have. So it's not big news.

Posted by: Tennie Jun 29 2007, 01:58 AM

Hot d*mn. USA 1 - Argies 0. Eddie Johnson on a penalty.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 29 2007, 01:58 AM

USA lead. 1-0 penalty. ohmy.gif

I think they should be docked points for wearing such an ugly shirt. tongue.gif

GOAL CRESPO!!!!

1-1

Posted by: Tennie Jun 29 2007, 02:01 AM

Well, that didn't last long. Crespo scores in the 11th to equalize. The new haircut looks good.

Posted by: Darunia Jun 29 2007, 02:01 AM

any streams for this match?

Posted by: Warchant Jun 29 2007, 02:01 AM

GOOD LORD SWEET JESUS YESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1-0 USA!!!!

Posted by: Darunia Jun 29 2007, 02:03 AM

You're a little behind Warchant lol.

Posted by: Warchant Jun 29 2007, 02:03 AM

DANG YOU CRESPO

sorry, took me too long to type the stupid thing

Posted by: Warchant Jun 29 2007, 02:09 AM

and to think...i use to worship that man

*grumbles under his breathe*

Posted by: Tennie Jun 29 2007, 02:36 AM

Well. Is this the Copa of upsets? The US - minus a number of regular starters - are holding a full-strength Argentina to a draw at halftime. I don't really follow the MLS much and know very little about the US national team, but so far tonight I've been very happily surprised by their performance.

Posted by: Darunia Jun 29 2007, 02:43 AM

Argentina starting to play better, Veron hitting crossbar then Crespo close.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 29 2007, 03:15 AM

Argentina 2-1 USA

Crespo getting his second of the game.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 29 2007, 03:26 AM

AIMAR 3-1!

Superb header.

Posted by: Warchant Jun 29 2007, 03:37 AM

4-1

at least we scored unsure.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 29 2007, 03:39 AM

QUOTE (Warchant @ Jun 29 2007, 02:37 AM)
4-1

at least we scored  unsure.gif
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I completely missed that goal. huh.gif

Damn thunder, messing with my satellite. sad.gif

Posted by: Tennie Jun 29 2007, 03:42 AM

All things considered, it wasn't a bad performance by the US team.

Posted by: dst Jun 29 2007, 12:50 PM

Pablito!!! wub.gif

I just love that player!!!!!!!!!! smile.gif

Posted by: Tennie Jun 29 2007, 02:42 PM

This is definitely not Brazil's tournament. Fred broke his foot in training and is out.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 29 2007, 02:59 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jun 29 2007, 01:42 PM)
This is definitely not Brazil's tournament. Fred broke his foot in training and is out.
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That's the last time they snub Kurtinho. cool.gif

Posted by: Tennie Jun 30 2007, 10:19 PM

Bolivia-Uruguay is turning into a kicking match. The ref is horrible and has pretty much lost control. 0-0 in the 57th.

EDIT: Uruguay finally scored a goal. Sanchez in the 59th.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 30 2007, 10:22 PM

This thread is cursed, as soon as somebody says something, there's a goal. rolleyes.gif

Uruguay 1-0 Bolivia. Vicente Sanchez with the goal.

Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jun 30 2007, 10:49 PM

Fred and Cris as the most unimpressive Brazilian names ever

They sound like their from Grimsby more than Rio

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jun 30 2007, 10:57 PM

Uruguay owe Carini, big time.

Uruguay 1-0 Bolivia FT

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 1 2007, 12:34 AM

GOAL VENEZUELA! cool.gif

1-0!

Posted by: Portikins Jul 1 2007, 12:58 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 1 2007, 12:34 AM)
GOAL VENEZUELA!  cool.gif

1-0!
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Nice header. Venezuela playing at home... they must qualify. biggrin.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 1 2007, 01:04 AM

I don't know if it's just me, but I've found referee's pretty awful over the last two tournements (European U21s/Copa America). Venezuela have had a player sent off. rolleyes.gif

GOAL!!

ARISMENDI!!!

2-0!! cool.gif

Posted by: Portikins Jul 1 2007, 01:04 AM

2-0 Venezuela!!! Nice goal by Arismendi.

Celebrating like they have won the a World Cup! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

PS: Now I GET IT! The commentator just said Venezuela don't win a match in Copa America for 40 years... ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 1 2007, 01:07 AM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 1 2007, 12:04 AM)
2-0 Venezuela!!! Nice goal by Arismendi.

Celebrating like they have won the a World Cup!  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

PS: Now I GET IT! The commentator just said Venezuela don't win a match in Copa America for 40 years...  ohmy.gif  ohmy.gif  ohmy.gif  laugh.gif
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Yep, that's why it's huge for 'em. biggrin.gif

I think it makes a tournement crap if the hosts go out early, so it's better that they do go through.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 1 2007, 01:11 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 1 2007, 01:07 AM)
I think it makes a tournement crap if the hosts go out early, so it's better that they do go through.
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FIFA, UEFA and all the federations think that too. We all know that. biggrin.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 1 2007, 01:15 AM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 1 2007, 12:11 AM)
FIFA, UEFA and all the federations think that too. We all know that. biggrin.gif
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Then I should be on UEFAs board. king.gif

Posted by: Portikins Jul 1 2007, 01:19 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 1 2007, 01:15 AM)
Then I should be on UEFAs board.  king.gif
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So that Villa can participate in UEFA Cup. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif wink.gif

PS: Sorry... but I had to. wink.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 1 2007, 01:20 AM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 1 2007, 12:19 AM)
So that Villa can participate in UEFA Cup.  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  wink.gif

PS: Sorry... but I had to. wink.gif
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dry.gif

I can make decisions.. Not miracles. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Portikins Jul 1 2007, 01:25 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 1 2007, 01:20 AM)
dry.gif

I can make decisions.. Not miracles.  rolleyes.gif
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Ahah. You never know. Mr Lerner is going to give you Europe back.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 1 2007, 01:28 AM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 1 2007, 12:25 AM)
Ahah. You never know. Mr Lerner is going to give you Europe back.
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On a good season, maybe. The big 4 are not catchable for us, I don't think Spurs are either. That only leaves two places for Villa/Everton/West Ham/Blackburn/Newcastle, it'll be tough.

And.. Venezuela 2-0 Peru FT biggrin.gif

Posted by: Portikins Jul 1 2007, 12:10 PM

Today's menu:

QUOTE
Brazil-Chile : 21h05 - GMT (UK)
Mexico-Equador : 23h20 - GMT (UK)

Posted by: Portikins Jul 1 2007, 09:12 PM

Brazil match just started... Robinho already owning some Chile defenders. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Tennie Jul 1 2007, 09:31 PM

Maicon hurt, looks like a dislocated shoulder. Dani Alves in. (27th min)

Posted by: Darunia Jul 1 2007, 09:43 PM

1-0 Robinho PK

Posted by: Portikins Jul 1 2007, 09:44 PM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jul 1 2007, 09:31 PM)
Maicon hurt, looks like a dislocated shoulder. Dani Alves in. (27th min)
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So pathetic Dunga. Maicon over Alves? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Dani Alves and Robinho are the best brazillians without Ronaldo, Kaka' and 10R there. [And a motivated Adriano btw]

1-0 Robinho penalty.

Posted by: Darunia Jul 1 2007, 11:02 PM

3-0 Brazil, Robinho hatrick

Posted by: Portikins Jul 1 2007, 11:04 PM

QUOTE (Darunia @ Jul 1 2007, 11:02 PM)
3-0 Brazil, Robinho hatrick
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On fire today. 2nd and 3rd were great goals.

Posted by: misha Jul 1 2007, 11:50 PM

Robinho > the rest biggrin.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 2 2007, 12:15 AM

QUOTE (mishale @ Jul 1 2007, 10:50 PM)
Robinho > the rest  biggrin.gif
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I missed the Brazil game, I was at work. cry.gif

Posted by: dst Jul 2 2007, 12:30 AM

3rd goal by Robinho was marvelous! I still don't like him though...

Posted by: Portikins Jul 2 2007, 12:55 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 2 2007, 12:30 AM)
3rd goal by Robinho was marvelous! I still don't like him though...
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Today he played without the need of "track back" (to help the defence) like he does in Madrid [Capello always screaming at him laugh.gif ]. That's why he was on fire. He needs that.

1-0: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2fkpf_brazil-vs-chile-10-tvtuga_sport
2-0: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2flkp_brazil-vs-chile-20-tvtuga_sport
3-0: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2flos_brazil-vs-chile-30-tvtuga

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 2 2007, 01:01 AM

Mexico 2-0 Ecuador. Bravo.

Easy, but nice, header.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 2 2007, 01:04 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 2 2007, 01:01 AM)
Mexico 2-0 Ecuador. Bravo.

Easy, but nice, header.
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Mexico has a good keeper [Oscar Sanchez] and a nice defender [Marquez]. Nothing more.

In few years... Guardado and Giovani dos Santos will be there.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 2 2007, 01:07 AM

Mexico 2-1 Ecuador.

Nice strike from a way out, took a deflection to put it in.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 3 2007, 12:58 AM

OMG. Benfica's new striker owning USA. ohmy.gif

Paraguay 2-1 USA... 1 assist and scored the 2nd. Top player that guy.

Posted by: dst Jul 3 2007, 01:14 AM

What a finish! ohmy.gif

Posted by: arivanjj Jul 3 2007, 02:47 AM

Argentina 4 - 2 Colombia -- FT

Crespo 1 (pen)
Riquelme 2
Diego Milito 1

Posted by: Warchant Jul 3 2007, 03:06 AM

once again, the us has failed to take a large competition seriously.

i'm still not 100% sure why we brought our C team to the tournament, but i guess our young players will feel what it's like to get humiliated on one of the world's largest stages. hopefully it will make them try harder NOT to suck in the future.

i swear...the US players are better than this...but the rest of the world will never believe us as long as we keep putting these kind of pitiful performances together.

Posted by: Bluesummers Jul 3 2007, 07:59 AM

QUOTE (Warchant @ Jul 2 2007, 08:06 PM)
once again, the us has failed to take a large competition seriously.

i'm still not 100% sure why we brought our C team to the tournament, but i guess our young players will feel what it's like to get humiliated on one of the world's largest stages. hopefully it will make them try harder NOT to suck in the future.

i swear...the US players are better than this...but the rest of the world will never believe us as long as we keep putting these kind of pitiful performances together.
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You think thats bad, try losing 3-0 to chile in your own country cry.gif

Posted by: bigmacmtl Jul 3 2007, 08:23 AM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jul 3 2007, 01:59 AM)
You think thats bad, try losing 3-0 to chile in your own country  cry.gif
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ya i dunno we need a real coach, and theres too much politics involved with selecting players (from what i hear lots related to people involved with CSA and coaching, etc...) a buddy of mine would probably playing in this tournement if it wasnt for amajor injury he suffered a couple years ago... sad.gif

Posted by: Portikins Jul 3 2007, 10:14 AM

QUOTE (arivanjj @ Jul 3 2007, 02:47 AM)
Argentina 4 - 2 Colombia -- FT

Crespo 1 (pen)
Riquelme 2
Diego Milito 1
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It was never a penalty. It was a fk.

Bad bad bad refs in this Copa America.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 3 2007, 10:44 AM

I watched the games when I got up this morning, fully enjoyed both of them, but I agree with Porty, the refereeing at this competition has been nothing less than awful.

It's been a great tournement with lots of goals, but not one of the teams can defend. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Portikins Jul 3 2007, 11:19 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 3 2007, 10:44 AM)
It's been a great tournement with lots of goals, but not one of the teams can defend.  rolleyes.gif
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C'mon. It's South America. biggrin.gif

Posted by: dst Jul 3 2007, 11:20 AM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 3 2007, 12:14 PM)
It was never a penalty. It was a fk.

Bad bad bad refs in this Copa America.
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Did you see how that ref last was running towards the 'crime scene' signaling his decision!?? laugh.gif

Posted by: Portikins Jul 3 2007, 11:26 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 3 2007, 11:20 AM)
Did you see how that ref last was running towards the 'crime scene' signaling his decision!?? laugh.gif
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That ref is stupid. It's not the first time he performs like a ****. He's like the Merk of South America.

Posted by: dst Jul 3 2007, 12:25 PM

Merk is not a bad ref. He's prejudiced though... that's what makes him real bad!

Posted by: Warchant Jul 3 2007, 02:50 PM

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jul 3 2007, 01:59 AM)
You think thats bad, try losing 3-0 to chile in your own country  cry.gif
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but you're not told every year

"this is the year you're going to see how great US soccer has become"

i'm still waiting sad.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 3 2007, 02:54 PM

QUOTE (Warchant @ Jul 3 2007, 01:50 PM)
but you're not told every year

"this is the year you're going to see how great US soccer has become"

i'm still waiting  sad.gif
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I think your caoch has no idea on how to motivate and help players progress.

When you're in the same group as Argentina, and they announce a full strength squad, you do NOT take 20 young players. You've let 7 goals in, in 2 games, and the confidence of these players is going to be at zero when they get back home.

Considering this competition is the only one your players are going to get tough games and be able to further themself as player, you'd have thought the first XI would have been taken. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Warchant Jul 3 2007, 05:12 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 3 2007, 08:54 AM)
I think your caoch has no idea on how to motivate and help players progress.

When you're in the same group as Argentina, and they announce a full strength squad, you do NOT take 20 young players. You've let 7 goals in, in 2 games, and the confidence of these players is going to be at zero when they get back home.

Considering this competition is the only one your players are going to get tough games and be able to further themself as player, you'd have thought the first XI would have been taken.  rolleyes.gif
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his "reasoning" was that most of our veterans have experienced these atmospheres already. we've played a lot of friendlies in south america and our veterans already know what it's like.

our coach's reasoning for taking this young squad was because this was the future of our team and most of these guys are experiencing their first national team games.

our coach used our veterans for the CONCACAF tournament because winning that gets us an automatic bid for the Confederations Cup. Which will also be a great chance for our players to get some good playing experience.

whether or not i agree with him 100% is a different story. i wanted our veterans to go so we could actually compete with these guys. but if our young players can get experience from this, then maybe, i guess, it's worth it.

Posted by: dst Jul 3 2007, 05:17 PM

QUOTE (Warchant @ Jul 3 2007, 07:12 PM)
his "reasoning" was that most of our veterans have experienced these atmospheres already. we've played a lot of friendlies in south america and our veterans already know what it's like.
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But the CA is a respectable tournament, isn't it!!!?? It feels, to me, that this is like fielding the U21s in a Euro championship just because the senior squad have already participated in one! unsure.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 3 2007, 05:22 PM

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 3 2007, 04:17 PM)
But the CA is a respectable tournament, isn't it!!!?? It feels, to me, that this is like fielding the U21s in a Euro championship just because the senior squad have already participated in one! unsure.gif
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That's what I thought.

If the coach's reasoning for priorotising the Gold Cup over the Copa America is to get a bid at the Confederations Cup, he needs to be replaced, immediately.

There's no way the best players of the US NT are going to get any player by only competing in the Gold Cup and friendlies, while they yet their youngsters get slaughtered in the Copa.

Posted by: Tennie Jul 3 2007, 11:51 PM

Lalala. The Merda players at the Copa are dropping like flies. First Maicon is ruled out with the shoulder problem and now Crespo is out with some sort of leg injury. Maybe Carlito Tevez will actually get a start now.

Peru-Bolivia underway, nothing of note thus far (17th min).

EDIT: Goal Bolivia, from Jaime Moreno in the 24th.

EDIT: Halftime: Bolivia 2 - Peru 1 (Pizarro with the Peru goal, Campos with the second Bolivia goal right at the stroke of halftime).

Posted by: IoRDanCHo Jul 4 2007, 02:05 AM

QUOTE (Tennie @ Jul 3 2007, 10:51 PM)
Lalala. The Merda players at the Copa are dropping like flies. First Maicon is ruled out with the shoulder problem and now Crespo is out with some sort of leg injury. Maybe Carlito Tevez will actually get a start now.

Peru-Bolivia underway, nothing of note thus far (17th min).

EDIT: Goal Bolivia, from Jaime Moreno in the 24th.

EDIT: Halftime: Bolivia 2 - Peru 1 (Pizarro with the Peru goal, Campos with the second Bolivia goal right at the stroke of halftime).
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That's what i am hoping! To see Tevez play, so that our retarded idiots Galliani and Braida can see him, now after Crespo is injured!!!

Posted by: Warchant Jul 4 2007, 02:21 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 3 2007, 11:22 AM)
That's what I thought.

If the coach's reasoning for priorotising the Gold Cup over the Copa America is to get a bid at the Confederations Cup, he needs to be replaced, immediately.

There's no way the best players of the US NT are going to get any player by only competing in the Gold Cup and friendlies, while they yet their youngsters get slaughtered in the Copa.
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most of the veterans actually played in the copa when they first started out

i don't think he needs to be replaced, i think all of it was just really bad timing...it also doesn't help that the MLS is going on at the same time.

Posted by: IoRDanCHo Jul 4 2007, 02:25 AM

http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xnp1030701121024x768gl8.jpg

Tevez: "Now don't scream dear, we will go to Milano, to buy you some new clothes, actually i also have to sign a contract with Milan there" devil.gif king.gif

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 5 2007, 08:45 AM

QUOTE (IoRDanCHo @ Jul 4 2007, 01:25 AM)
http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xnp1030701121024x768gl8.jpg

Tevez: "Now don't scream dear, we will go to Milano, to buy you some new clothes, actually i also have to sign a contract with Milan there" devil.gif  king.gif
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That pictures so bad!

Do Milan actually sign players like that?! We seem to go for glamour more than skill nowadays.

Posted by: redbabies Jul 5 2007, 10:14 AM

Copa America has the stupidest rules in the whole football world rolleyes.gif

Brazil had Chile in group, and now will play against them in Quarter Final, than Venezuela vs. Uruguay were in the same group too.

So now, Mexico 1st in their group could face Argentina, and Brazil 2nd faces Chile 3rd.


P.S. There's a reason why top players refuse to play in this tournament laugh.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 6 2007, 10:46 AM

QUOTE (redbabies @ Jul 5 2007, 09:14 AM)
Copa America has the stupidest rules in the whole football world rolleyes.gif

Brazil had Chile in group, and now will play against them in Quarter Final, than Venezuela vs. Uruguay were in the same group too.

So now, Mexico 1st in their group could face Argentina, and Brazil 2nd faces Chile 3rd.
P.S. There's a reason why top players refuse to play in this tournament  laugh.gif
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I think it's very difficult for them to work out a tournement with there being such a small amount of teams. In Europe we have about 60 or something, so it's much easier for us. I think South America has about 11 countries? Some of whom are very, very small and may not even have a team.

Posted by: Warchant Jul 6 2007, 03:07 PM

welcome home US team...turn on the tv, watch the U-20 World Cup, and cry

at least Eddie Johnson is back playing for the Wizards...we've missed him sad.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 8 2007, 12:44 AM

AH!

I completely forgot about the games tonight!

Just turned on, it's in the 75th minute. Current Score: Venezuela 1-2 Uruguay. sad.gif

EDIT: The hosts tournement is over. 3-1 Uruguay, Christian Ridriguez of PSG the scorer, nice goal.

EDIT 2: 4-1, Forlan. His second of the game, apparently.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 8 2007, 02:07 AM

Chile 0-1 Brazil.

Robinho corner, flicked on, Juan at the back post to head it in.

EDIT: I think my eyes are deceiving me, Julio Baptista scored a goal? I must be real tired. 2-0 Brazil.

EDIT 2: Robinho has looked a different class in this tournement, sign him up! 3-0. Great goal.

Posted by: dst Jul 8 2007, 02:47 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 8 2007, 04:07 AM)
EDIT 2: Robinho has looked a different class in this tournement, sign him up! 3-0. Great goal.
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He mishit the ball! I hate that kid... just flavor, no essence!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 8 2007, 03:01 AM

4-0, was a tap in, but still, Robinho's on form. 5 goals against Chile in this tournement. laugh.gif

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 8 2007, 03:06 AM

He is showing consistency, especially in a knock out tournament .. That proves to show his maturity ..

Though he is facing defenses weaker than he would in la liga or CL .. Still, he is leading his country through this tournament ..

I like players like that .. Good luck to him king.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 8 2007, 03:20 AM

5-0 Brazil. Josue of Sao Paolo scored it, not heard of him to be honest. Played well today, though.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 8 2007, 03:23 AM

What is the ref doing !!!! He should blow that whistle and end this match. Chile don't stand a chance

EDIT: Chile score .. never mind. dry.gif

Posted by: Tennie Jul 8 2007, 03:26 AM

Aside from Robinho, Josue has been the Brazilian player who's impressed me most thus far in the Copa.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 8 2007, 03:35 AM

6-1. Vagner Love.

It shows you're having a good day when VL and Baptista score in the same game. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: dst Jul 8 2007, 03:38 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 8 2007, 05:35 AM)
It shows you're having a good day when VL and Baptista score in the same game.  rolleyes.gif
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If they can score against Chile, it's no wonder Robinho netted 5 against them... the moment he scores a crucial goal I will start considering him a good player!

PS Vágner Love for f@ck's sake!! laugh.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 8 2007, 03:39 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 8 2007, 02:38 AM)
If they can score against Chile, it's no wonder Robinho netted 5 against them... the moment he scores a crucial goal I will start considering him a good player!
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I'm sure Real fans will tell you about him and crucial goals. He came off the bench to win them games countless times.

Posted by: dst Jul 8 2007, 03:42 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 8 2007, 05:39 AM)
I'm sure Real fans will tell you about him and crucial goals. He came off the bench to win them games countless times.
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Not countless, it was 2 or 3 times (last season)... I remember more occasions of him screwing up! Anyway... he's not anything special IMO. He's got very good technique but his game is a rigmarole...

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 8 2007, 03:50 AM

Well, not a bad way to start of the QFs, 12 goals in 2 games. Gotta love the Copa. cool.gif

Posted by: Portikins Jul 8 2007, 04:08 PM

Robinho needs to play as SS in Madrid (4-4-2) or as LW/RW in a 4-3-3 (a la Barcelona).

Otherwise he can't play his best. Just like this season when he played 99% of his matches as LW in a pure 4-4-2. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: dst Jul 8 2007, 04:17 PM

That's why I don't consider him to be a great player... he's not versatile at all (he has a certain type of play, if it's not working then his game is over before it even starts...) and it's not like Capello asked him to play as a goalie! rolleyes.gif It's a must for modern footballers to come back and defend unless they're as good as R20 or Kaka... and Robinho is millions of miles away from those two!

Posted by: Darunia Jul 8 2007, 10:59 PM

Mexico 6 - 0 Paraguay...

Argentina - Peru up soon.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 9 2007, 01:00 AM

46' Riquelme scores. Argies 1-0 up against Peru.

Juan Roman Riquelme is really amazing. A shame if he goes to Inter. They really miss a guy like him. 4-3-1-2 of Inter would be really strong. I mean... for real.

Posted by: Darunia Jul 9 2007, 03:03 AM

4-0 argentina, riquelme double. Riquelme/Robinho the MVP of Copa America so far.

Posted by: bigmacmtl Jul 9 2007, 03:07 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 8 2007, 10:17 AM)
That's why I don't consider him to be a great player... he's not versatile at all (he has a certain type of play, if it's not working then his game is over before it even starts...) and it's not like Capello asked him to play as a goalie! rolleyes.gif It's a must for modern footballers to come back and defend unless they're as good as R20 or Kaka... and Robinho is millions of miles away from those two!
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even at that in previous seasons when our attack wasnt 100% kaka and he played deaper he would defend. so ya we dint see much of it this season since he was given all the freedom in the world. king.gif

Posted by: Tennie Jul 11 2007, 02:07 AM

Lalala. Brazil (Maicon) scores a goal 1-0 against Uruguay....and some of the floodlights go out. Game halted for the moment.

EDIT: They restarted after a 13 minute delay. The one set of floodlights is still out.

Posted by: misha Jul 11 2007, 04:15 AM

Brazil won on penalties. Lucky bastards. I was cheering for Uruguay. Argentina should kill them in the final (BTW Gilberto Silva won't play).

Posted by: bigmacmtl Jul 11 2007, 04:17 AM

QUOTE (mishale @ Jul 10 2007, 10:15 PM)
Brazil won on penalties. Lucky bastards. I was cheering for Uruguay. Argentina should kill them in the final (BTW Gilberto Silva won't play).
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same here doni came 2-3 strides off his line to save that penalty. overall uruguay was better. brazil is garbage mad.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 11 2007, 02:12 PM

QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Jul 11 2007, 03:17 AM)
same here doni came 2-3 strides off his line to save that penalty. overall uruguay was better. brazil is garbage mad.gif
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That last penalty should have been re-taken for sure. But there are special rules for certain teams, always will be. wink.gif

I'm not exactly disappointed Brazil won, after all, what's better than seeing Argentina lose in a final. biggrin.gif

Posted by: dst Jul 11 2007, 04:47 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 11 2007, 04:12 PM)
I'm not exactly disappointed Brazil won, after all, what's better than seeing Argentina lose in a final.  biggrin.gif
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Many things; one would be seeing Brazil lose in a final... and if it's from Argentina it's even sweeter!! devil.gif

Posted by: dst Jul 12 2007, 12:14 AM

Well it's already 2AM here and the game starts at 4AM so I think I'm going to bed now... but watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-BTARlME38 kid tonight (do not bother about the titles, it's Greeklish...). If he plays as he did in the previous matches he'll be a Valencia (or Chelsea) player next season!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 12 2007, 12:22 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 11 2007, 11:14 PM)
but watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-BTARlME38 kid tonight (do not bother about the titles, it's Greeklish...). If he plays as he did in the previous matches he'll be a Valencia (or Chelsea) player next season!
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Not bad. wink.gif

Let's hope he gives us a real showing tonight! biggrin.gif

Can't say I like his tattoo's at all, though. puke.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 12 2007, 01:51 AM

I really hope for a Meixco win, but the Argentina line-up is very strong.

My prediction: 2-1 Argentina.

EDIT: '45. Argentina 1-0 Mexico. Heinze. -Worst goalkeeper I've ever seen. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 12 2007, 02:40 AM

Argentina - Brazil final.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 12 2007, 03:17 AM

What a goal Messi

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 12 2007, 03:17 AM

Argentina 2-0 Mexico.

Messi, superb goal. Great chip.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 12 2007, 03:17 AM

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jul 12 2007, 05:17 AM)
What a goal Messi
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Yeah .. great lob cool.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 12 2007, 03:20 AM

Penalty Argentina. Tevez out of the box and a dive. rolleyes.gif

Riquelme to take it..

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 12 2007, 03:20 AM

Penalty .. biggrin.gif

So that is it then, Brazil - Argentina, the derby cool.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 12 2007, 03:21 AM

Cool penalty, cheeky. 3-0.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 12 2007, 03:23 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 12 2007, 05:21 AM)
Cool penalty, cheeky. 3-0.
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Riquelme cool.gif

Posted by: Warchant Jul 12 2007, 03:27 AM

there are few things, in my life, that are more enjoyable than seeing Mexico get whipped all over the field

yea...the US sucked in this tourney, but getting to see Mexico out classed makes everything so much better biggrin.gif

Posted by: arivanjj Jul 12 2007, 03:52 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 12 2007, 12:21 PM)
Cool penalty, cheeky. 3-0.
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2iopc_mexico-vs-argentina-03-tvtuga cool.gif

Posted by: dst Jul 12 2007, 10:15 AM

Didn't see the game... seems like Argentina had an easy night... Just watched some clips though and I found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW1p5Chsjcc!!! ohmy.gif rolleyes.gif biggrin.gif huh.gif wacko.gif Are you kidding me??? That lad dribbles even when he's on the ground!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rolleyes.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: Portikins Jul 12 2007, 11:01 AM

QUOTE (dst @ Jul 12 2007, 10:15 AM)
Didn't see the game... seems like Argentina had an easy night... Just watched some clips though and I found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW1p5Chsjcc!!!  ohmy.gif  rolleyes.gif  biggrin.gif  huh.gif wacko.gif Are you kidding me??? That lad dribbles even when he's on the ground!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  rolleyes.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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Yeah... hope the cvnts sell Ronaldinho.

Messi is good but c'mon, in that lob he was alone. He had time for evertyhing.

Posted by: misha Jul 12 2007, 01:15 PM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 12 2007, 01:01 PM)
Messi is good but c'mon, in that lob he was alone. He had time for evertyhing.
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Still, not may players can execute it like he did.

Messi can be diving cheat sometimes, but his talent is enormous. I don't remember R10 being that good at 20.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 15 2007, 01:38 AM

The third place play-off finished a few hours ago.

Was a decent open game, Uruguay took the lead through Abreu with a header at the far post. Mexico equalised with the most outrageous penalty, nothing happened. It also led to Uruguay's captain getting sent off. Bravo was the scorer.

Mexico scored another two goals in the second half, both very nice shots from outside the box.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 15 2007, 02:16 AM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 15 2007, 01:38 AM)
The third place play-off finished a few hours ago.

Was a decent open game, Uruguay took the lead through Abreu with a header at the far post. Mexico equalised with the most outrageous penalty, nothing happened. It also led to Uruguay's captain getting sent off. Bravo was the scorer.

Mexico scored another two goals in the second half, both very nice shots from outside the box.
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I hate does Mexicans,...the made such a poor display at the end. No idea, no combination, just like a Scandinavian team. Passing around till somebody makes a long range effort and scores.

Uruguay did more then fair. I`m so sad they`ve failed at the end,..Tabarez and the guys deserved it... sad.gif sad.gif

Anyway, my suggestions would be:

Fucile (22), C. Rodriguez (21) and Maximilliano Pereira (23),...I know the possibility of Milan signing any of does players is below 1% but still, I would point them out of a very bright Uruguay side...

Posted by: Portikins Jul 15 2007, 02:39 AM

Fucile [Chile] is from FCPorto. He's nothing special really.

But that young mexican Guardado is amazing.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 15 2007, 07:25 AM

Yes he is...and he makes assists too. And he's not a total weakling either. Now we'll just have to wait to see Valladolid or somebody sign him up.

Posted by: misha Jul 15 2007, 06:21 PM

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Copa América Final Preview: Brazil-Argentina

What: Copa América Venezuela 2007 Final

Who: Argentina (WWW, W, W), Brazil (LWW, W, W)

When: 15/07/2007 (Sunday) 17:05 (Venezuela), 19:05 CET

Where: Jose Pachencho Romero Stadium, Maracaibo, Venezuela

Background

It’s being billed the grudge match of the year...and not without reason.  The last time both nations met with a Copa América up for grabs Brazil won in incendiary fashion, burning down Argentinean hopes of putting an end to an eleven-year trophy drought.  The match sparked as Adriano equalised in the very last minute and whooped it up with his shirt off.

His celebrations – and a dose of insults sent over from the Seleção dugout – began a squabble between both teams on the field.  The Albiceleste players took exception to the taunts from the Brazilian bench.  Paraguayan ref Carlos Amarilla had to call in local riot police to separate the sides and prepare for the decisive penalty shootout.

Argentina had thought they had won three minutes from time, prematurely celebrating with their fans in the 43,000-strong crowd at the Estadio Nacional and annoying their arch-rivals.  "They shouldn't have celebrated ahead of time," Parreira justified in the afterglow. "It's one thing to slow the game down, but you can get in trouble when you start fooling around with the ball before it's all over."

Although out of the current Canarinha squad just Juan, Maicon and Diego (who came on in the second half and looks unlikely to start on Sunday) played that day, Argentina have up to eight ‘veterans’ in line.  Roberto Abbondanzieri, Roberto Ayala, Gabriel Heinze, Javier Zanetti, Javier Mascherano, Carlos Tevez and Lionel Messi may well get a second bite at the cherry, with ‘Lucho’ Gonzalez probably starting on the bench.

Most players are coolly denying it in public, save for a characteristically honest Tevez who described the 2004 Final as a “thorn in my side I need to remove”, but if there is a grudge it’ll be wearing blue-and-white shirts on Sunday.  Argentina, yet again, have the better cast and Brazil, yet again, are testing players for the future rather than fielding their biggest names. 

The post-World Cup London friendly in September 2006 takes a distant back seat to the 2004 experience – as well as the close parity between the two sides at international level that is still a disputed statistic.  Given the fact, admitted or not by the footballers themselves, that Lima 2004 clash is the last time both teams clashed with South American silverware at stake, Goal.com rewinds three years…

2004 Déjà Vu?

The last edition of the Copa América in Peru 2004 ended with a Brazil-Argentina that saw the Albiceleste lose the lead twice in normal time.  The Seleção went on to win the penalty shootout and their seventh title while the Argentinean players were left with the bitter taste of ashes in their mouths, appearing to have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Everything had pointed towards the Albiceleste winning what would have been their fifteenth Copa América trophy: a record that would have broke the 14-14 tie between Uruguay and Argentina.  Instead there was a blend of shock and joy as Brazil hoisted their seventh in Lima to the surprise of most who’d labelled Brazil a ‘B’ team – Kléberson being the only 2002 World Cup winner present in Peru 2004 – a distant echo of the current Cup situation.

A Cristian Kily González (20 min) penalty had put Argentina in the lead after Luisão brought down ‘Lucho’ González in the Brazilian box. Benfica giant Luisão (46 min) made amends just before the break by nodding in an Alex free kick and squaring the match off.  The second half took its time to see nets rippled again, actually five minutes after Luisão and Ayala clashed heads and the scorer ended up stretchered off.

Juan Pablo Sorín muscled in and headed (with a little help from a Brazilian fluff) to an unmarked César Delgado (87 min), the Cruz Azul striker banging in his first Copa goal as the stadium exploded with what seemed the winner.  Nevertheless the underdogs bit back as injury time reached its zenith with a last-ditch Brazil move that ended with a cool bit of control by Adriano (93 min), the Inter man slamming in the 2-2 with a vicious left-footer.

The penalty shootout crowned another Inter man as keeper Júlio César – also providential with two key saves during play – blocked Andres D'Alessandro's attempt and the resulting pressure saw Gabriel Heinze smack the ball over his crossbar.  Just Cristian Gonzalez and Juanpi Sorín scored for the Albiceleste, while Adriano, Edu, Diego and finally Juan all beat Pato Abbondanzieri to claim the Cup for Brazil.

Contrasting with Parreira’s last laugh, Argentina’s then-Coach Marcelo Bielsa (who crashed and burned spectacularly in the 2002 World Cup, virtually crucifying Verón in the aftermath instead of taking the blame himself and resigning) was scornful after the Albiceleste dominated Brazil…but failed to clear the final hurdle.  "There are teams that turn around a game deservedly," he said. "In this case, it was pure chance."

"I'm still trying to find some logic to it all," commented stunned FC Porto midfielder ‘Lucho’ Gonzalez.  Veteran Javier Zanetti was more philosophical in defeat. "Sometimes there are things that can't be explained in football. That's what happened against Brazil, we can't explain what went wrong."  Roberto Abbondanzieri concurred. "Argentina deserved to win the title, but unfortunately luck was on their [Brazil’s] side."

BRAZIL (6): Julio Cesar; Maicon, Luisão (Cris), Juan, Gustavo Nery; Renato, Kléberson (Diego 54 min), Alex (Felipe 63 min), Edu; Luis Fabiano and Adriano

ARGENTINA (4): Roberto Abbondanzieri; Fabricio Coloccini, Roberto Ayala, Gabriel Heinze; Javier Zanetti, Javier Mascherano, Juan Pablo Sorin: Luis Gonzalez (Andres D'Alessandro 75 min); Mauro Rosales (Cesar Delgado 64 min), Carlos Tevez (Facundo Quiroga 92 min) and Cristian Gonzalez

Referee: Carlos Amarilla (Paraguay)

Sandwiched in between the (arguably more applicable) meetings at the last Copa América (same competition) and London friendly (same Coaches) was the last time that a Cup was up to be claimed, this time in Germany 2005 when Brazil won the Confederations Cup. 

Argentina had broken their hated eleven-year trophy drought with the 2004 Summer Olympics Gold Medal in Athens, but even so Brazil continued to dominate…albeit with what could impartially be considered a netly superior side.

A lone Pablo Aimar (present in a supporting role in Venezuela) goal was buried as cold consolation after an Adriano brace and one each from Kaká and Ronaldinho Gaúcho left the Albiceleste as road kill under the Canarinha wheels of steel. 

BRAZIL (4): Dida; Cicinho (Maicon), Lúcio, Roque Júnior and Gilberto; Emerson and Zé Roberto; Kaká (Renato), Ronaldinho and Robinho (Juninho P.); Adriano
Coach: Carlos A. Parreira

ARGENTINA (1): Lux; Placente, Coloccini, Heinze and Zanetti; Cambiasso (Aimar), Bernardi, Riquelme and Sorín; Delgado (Galletti) and Figueroa (Tevez)
Coach: José Pekerman

Dunga’s Brazil v. Basile’s Argentina

Since then a lot of water has passed under the bridge and both nations have changed Coaches, although the last time that both sides met they were already under the two Coaches who will cross swords at Maracaibo on Sunday.  Although in a mere money-spinning friendly rather than in true combat, Dunga’s Brazil drew first blood from Basile’s Argentina.

Not only did the buzz-cut, untried newbie Dunga beat the slicked-back, seasoned and highly successful ‘Coco’ Basile (still alternating between Boca Juniors and the Albiceleste) but he did so in style.  Brazil walloped Argentina at the spanking new Emirates Stadium (a.k.a. Ashburton Grove; the Arsenal Stadium) with a humiliating 3-0 final score.

That last meet was almost ten months ago and in the meantime the panorama has shifted in Argentina’s favour.  Basile, now fully focused on the national side, has calmly inculcated his men with his methods and the results are looking as good as they did when Basile helmed the Xeneizes to five recent trophies.  Dunga, on the other hand, has faced mounting obstacles.

The man who Captained Brazil to the 1994 World Cup after, ironically, Basile himself bowed out in his last four-year stint as Albiceleste Coach (Argentina being knocked out 3-2 by Romania in round 2) is under pressure.  He hasn’t been able to do much more than instil a sense of Spartan soldiery in his side…and is without the man who did so much against Argentina in London.

Elano started things off with a swift second-minute goal that helped set the tone for the friendly and earned his brace in the second half that makes him a great psychological bet for Brazil in Sunday's Copa Final.  Kaká put the tin lid on the destruction of Argentina with a final goal that left skilled Albiceleste players looking like Sunday leaguers. 

It may have been a Harlem Globetrotters-type exhibition match, not a trophy in sight and only an unholy blend of honour and the dollar at stake, but it’s worth having a look back as the London game is the most recent clash…

BRAZIL (3): Gomes; Cicinho (Maicon 65 min), Lúcio, Juan and Gilberto; Gilberto Silva, Edmílson (Dudu Cearense 68 min), Elano (Júlio Baptista 72 min) and Daniel Carvalho (Kaká 58 min); Robinho (Rafael Sobis 87 min) and Fred (Vágner Love 79 min)
Coach: Carlos Caetano Bledorn Verri (Dunga)

ARGENTINA (0): Roberto Carlos Abbondanzieri, Pablo Zabaleta, Fabrício Coloccini, Gabriel Milito and Clemente Rodríguez (Walter Samuel 46 min); ‘Lucho’ González, Javier Mascherano (Leandro Somoza 46 min), Daniel Bilos (Frederico Insúa 72 min) and Juan Román Riquelme; Carlos Tevez (Sergio Aguero 65 min) and Lionel Messi.

Coach: Alfio Basile.


Team News


BRAZIL

Although he was a supersub in London, Kaká is currently on a holiday that he formally asked the CBF for instead of accepting Dunga’s call to battle.  Along with Ronaldinho (also absent in the London friendly), the midfield marvel is unavailable and Brazil haven’t found suitable substitutes in either Diego (Werder Bremen) or Anderson (Manchester Utd)

Dunga had little choice but to teeth-grindingly accept the stars’ demands for R&R, a real blow for the Coach.  The 2007 friendlies may not have been disastrous in terms of results – or filling the CBF coffers – but showed the Seleção was not evolving.  Dunga had stalled and he and assistant Jorginho lacked the knowledge to set things back on track.

Brazil fans were let down by a series of performances that may have dripped a youthful energy so conspicuously absent under Parreira, but failed to ignite imaginations with the sort of play that had earned the Canarinha shirt world renown.  Something was missing and the Coach began to feel both fans and the domestic press clamouring for improvements.

With a poor debut that saw Mexico – now eliminated by Argentina – down Dunga and his not-very-merry men in the first Copa América match, things looked bleak for the Coach.  Fortunately enough the Seleção were saved by a Robinho who may still reach or overtake Pelé (he’s two short of O Rei right now) as Brazil’s top scorer in Copa América competition.

The resurgence with a Brazilian number 11 making a real difference for the first time since Dunga’s old friend Romário was on fire has helped.  So did the goalfest against a lukewarm Chile…and especially a talismanic win over Uruguay in the semi-final.  Last time in 2004 it was 1-1 in normal time and 5-3 in the penalty shootout; this time round it was 2-2 in normal time and 5-4 in the penalty shootout: enough to kindle superstitious hopes of a repeat resultin the Final.

The similarities with 2004 are also present in the fact that both Canarinha squads lacked some key players and were pooh-poohed back home by both pundits and the general public.  Then again, they may have just squeezed into the final…but they made it: skin of their teeth or not.  Dunga isn’t just looking back at 2004, but a decade before that when he won the World Cup as a player.

Back then Carlos Alberto Parreira had issued the Captain’s armband to playmaking number 10 Raí at first, but changed his mind to field yet another defensive midfielder in the shape of Mazinho.  Dunga has followed in his 1994 master’s footsteps by swapping the Diego/Anderson options for a more solid midfield that can shield the rearguard more effectively.

He’s been blasted back home in Brazil for his conservative approach, but has little time for the critics and fans who are begging for a return to O Jogo Bonito (‘The Beautiful Game’ that reached its apotheosis at Mexico 1970)…or at least not such a Jogo Feio (ugly game).  Nonetheless, all things point towards the fact that he’s sticking by his belt-and-braces (US suspenders) approach to the bitter end.

"If we're going to start up that debate again over playing pretty football, we'll probably go another 24 years without winning (the World Cup) which is what the others want," Dunga spiked in acid reference to the gap between Brazil's third world title in 1970 and their fourth in 1994…with him in charge and a much-lambasted defensive slant on the pitch.

Dunga also balanced the strong recent Argentine performances with Brazil’s ability to beat ‘Los Hermanos’ (The Brothers) in the past few meetings. “Going by what Argentina have done so far in the tournament they are favourites…but we have been judged on what has happened up to now….we’re doing our bit… [and] the pressure is 50/50”, he assessed.

“They [Argentina] haven’t won a Copa América since 1993 but are mature whereas we are younger.  Nevertheless, when we talk about Brazil versus Argentina favouritism doesn’t exist”, added the Coach before a characteristic final call to arms to rally his troops and overcome the myriad criticism of Brazil’s style.  “You can only beat mistrust with hard work.”

Vágner Love, Dunga’s criticised first choice number 9, now pumped up after scoring his first goal in the 6-1 quarter-final slaughter of Chile, sees the duel as level-pegging .  “It’s a game that will stop the world and there is no favourite.  Argentina deserved to be in the Final and so did Brazil.  Both sides really want to win.”

Daniel Alves, probably to be Maicon’s reserve on Sunday, gave his own angle as to what Brazil should do in the Final.  “We can’t allow the Argentineans to get comfortable by leaving open spaces for them to fill.  They have a lot of experienced players”, the Sevilla star warned, although not renouncing anything.  “Brazil always go onto the pitch ready to beat all comers.”

Dunga is still unsure of who should stand in for the suspended Captain Gilberto Silva in holding midfield, although he has confirmed that AS Roma’s new centre-back will wear the Captain’s armband in the decider.  “I still haven’t decided what to do. We have two candidates for the position and whoever is in better shape will have the best chance”, he explained. 

Most pundits see Elano ( a previous Dunga fave) and Fernando (who missed a penalty against Uruguay) as the key candidates.  It's a question of Elano's forward bite versus Fernando's defensive solidity, although the Shakhtar Donetsk man is no slouch when it comes to getting stuck in either.

Girondins de Bordeaux man Fernando refused to comment on his hypothetical inclusion in the first eleven, but did stress that Argentina have an edge. “They have been playing with more or less the same unit for a while and that can make a difference”, he explained.

Diego, who looks set to repeat the bench-start supporting role from 2004 when he came on to eventually serve Adriano with the decisive pass to nab his last-gasp equaliser, emphasised another danger “Their strong points are precise passing, confidence and patience. They know how to keep possession and make it count”, underlined the Werder Bremen playmaker who hopes he can form a creative duo with Júlio Baptista either from the start or as play goes on.

Captain Juan underlined respect for the rival.  “They play very well and you have to respect that”, explained the defender, “but we have to show we are a team first and foremost: a strong unit that has deserved a place in the final.”  AS Roma team-mate Doni can’t wait.  “All Brazilians dream of playing and winning a Final like this and I’m no exception.”

Júlio Baptista, a probable starter and Brazil’s second top scorer so far with two goals, urged a close eye on the Albiceleste from the very start.  “They are patient but also explosive so we must keep our eyes peeled from the first second.  If we don’t do that we could well be asking for trouble, but it’s a message we have received loud and clear from the Coach.”


ARGENTINA

Many pundits have fallen in love with Argentina once more, swapping their glowing respect for the Samba (dulled to the level of a 10 Watt lightbulb in Germany) for dreamy superlatives about the Tango.  After all, Alfio Basile's team have won all five games so far, shovelling 16 goals in along the way, although the tally is seen as secondary to the way in which matches have been won.

Dunga may wax lyrical about how modern football is incompatible with O Jogo Bonito, any many analysts have hurried to pronounce the death of stylish, attacking football in favour of a more physical game, but the Albiceleste seem to be recreating El Juego Bonito (‘The Beautiful Game’ in Spanish) while Brazil is resorting to the brute physicality that Argentina has sometimes been slammed for.

Juan Roman Riquelme has picked up the baton he dropped for the sake of his mother’s health and is back to his peak conducting the Albiceleste orchestra with amazing aplomb, while Messi's chip over Oswaldo Sanchez has rekindled smouldering comparisons with mutual number 1 fan Diego Armando Maradona.

The number 10 is back to his best after a well-reconsidered premature retirement from national service and a career revival at alma mater Boca Juniors after a fraught end to his Villarreal years that seemed to spell his definitive decline.  He’s back to scoring with assiduous ease and assisting with precision whilst able to slow down and speed up play apparently at will.

In front he may have lost goal machine Hernan ‘Valdanito’ Hernán (back in service but probably not in the starting eleven he began the tournament as a key part of), but he has the dream team pairing of incredible number 18 Leo Messi and Carlos ‘Apache’ Tevez, whooping back after a rough landing at West Ham and apparently heading towards a possible pairing with Brazil’s Anderson at Old Trafford next season.

The fact that Tevez had already conquered Brazil as Corinthians’ star number 10, winning the Brasileirão (Brazilian League) in 2005 after becoming a star at Boca Juniors, hints at one of the many reasons this Argentina is seen as more Brazilian than Brazil.  Messi, Ronaldinho’s self-declared ‘brother’, is yet another who can hold his own with the best of any Seleção.

This hasn’t been lost on the Buenos Aires press, football daily Olé twisting the knife in Brazilian gloom over having their creative fire stolen back by Argentina by almost unanimous approval for the first time since the glory days of Diego himself.  “O jogo bonito and samba are pulsating in Argentina not the Brazilian Seleção”, boomed Thursday’s edition.

“Brazil is the ultimate rival. Robinho, their shirt, the same old rivalry, a dreamed about game with the possibility of revenge”, it continued in clear allusion to the last Copa América…as well the recent defeats by their northern neighbours.  “Riquelme is the most Brazilian Argentine, but each time he’s more Argentinean”, the paper continued, piling on the comparisons.

“Mascherano is the Maradona of central holding midfielders. Tevez scares [them] because he was a god at Corinthians”. The day before the front page showed a photo of Doni (who had illegally come quite far off his line in the decisive penalty kick against Uruguay), exaggerating that he had almost plucked the ball from Diego Lugano’s feet.

Coach Basile, back after his 1994 national exit on a wave of acclaim for his club work at Boca Juniors, is the perfect tactician for this stylish Albiceleste, his slicked-back hairstyle and gravely voice going hand-in-hand with the image of a Tango master who seduces with as bygone style. While Dunga sees things in the cold, hard light of statistics, ‘Coco’ is a throwback to the old school where something different was taught...something more in line with fantasy made reality.

"It's not just about winning. You can simply win a game, but to win the way we are doing makes me proud," he said in the wake of the praised 4-0 quarter-final win over Peru.  It’s also his chance to add a third Copa América to his own personal silverware collection as he helmed the Albiceleste to their last wins back in Chile 1991 and Ecuador 1993. 

He also knows he has a replacement for his past star Batistuta in Leo Messi; a different player in many respects but with the potential to overshadow even the legendary Batigol; hero of the last two Copa América triumphs.  "Messi's goal made be feel like closing the stadium there and then. Only a genius can do something like that," he marvelled afterwards.

Not one for counting his chickens before they’re hatched, Coco’s enthusiasm is generally pragmatic and muted, although he seems set to keep the same line-up rather than use a Crespo who perhaps most likely fits the bill of being a Batigol doppelganger.  "I don't mess with a team that's been winning and this team has been doing very well", he recently hinted.

His players know that they are capable of attaining South American hegemony once more.  "We have great hopes at this moment," said blooded veteran Javier Zanetti. "After all these years without winning a Copa América, we now have a really good chance.  Argentina have an opportunity to make history with this title."

The 34 year-old Zanetti gives seasoned experience and consistency, also provided by equally vintage centre-back Ayala.  Two years younger is Juan Sebastian Verón, the Brujita (Litle Witch) still able to conjure up the magic in midfield and relieving himself of the unfair burden of shame that smeared him in the wake of the 2002 World Cup fiasco.

If the front line is devastating, the rearguard isn’t lagging behind in quality terms or a dash of youthful vim to pep up the mix.  Number 15 Gabriel Milito has just been snapped up by Barça in a high-profile deal and is forming a formidable centre-back pairing with the more experienced Ayala.  Flanked by an on-song Heinze opposite Zanetti, the Albiceleste can hold off most attacks with consummate ease.

Despite the danger of facing a lethal Robinho, Zanetti, like Basile, won’t give the Real Madrid and Seleção star undue special attention.  “One player won’t change the course of the game and if we start singling people out then all that happens is that we give others more room for manoeuvre.  We’ll carry on in the same way that we’ve played to date”, he explained.

Barça star Lionel Messi also denies that he’s the centre of attention.  “My goal [against Mexico] was nice, but the important thing is that it helped the team as a whole…and that’s my aim as a player…the title may be very close…but we still have a great rival to face and that is always complicated”, he said after the semi-final in which he was voted MVP.

Gabriel Heinze, who scored Argentina’s first semi-final goal, also stressed the team doesn't - as some have claimed - play a game of two halves.  "Argentina always plays the same way, in the first half and in the second”, referring to the fact that four out of five of their matches in Venezuela so far had reached half time with the scores even.

“We always want to take control and direct the match although perhaps in the second half the rivals have been more worn down, but we always keep the pressure up on whoever we play", ended the polyvalent Manchester United left-cum-centre back.  Inter Milan midfielder Esteban Cambiasso was cool about any heated rivalry getting the blood going.

"There’s no revenge involved – it’s just a simple match", he opined during a Maracaibo press conference on Friday.  ‘Cuchu’ Cambiasso was keeping a level head for a good reason.  “Talking of revenge can be a very negative psychological factor…it’s not good to talk of past ghosts or they can come back to haunt us.  We have to keep calm to avoid being driven crazy.”

Fellow lynchpin midfielder Mascherano was worried more about the mid-afternoon heat as the match will be played earlier to air at a more viewer-friendly time in Europe. "I hope that it doesn’t affect us too much, although we have suffered so far in this Cup. It’s difficult to play at 5pm in Maracaibo, I’d prefer to play at night, but it should affect both sides equally and we just have to get over it."

Possible First Elevens (Unconfirmed)

BRAZIL (4-4-2): Doni; Maicon, Alex, Juan and Gilberto; Mineiro and Elano (Fernando), Josué (Diego), Julio Baptista; Robinho and Vágner Love
Coach: Dunga

ARGENTINA (4-3-1-2): Abbondanzieri; Zanetti, Ayala, Milito and Heinze; Mascherano, Verón and Cambiasso; Riquelme; Tevez (Crespo) and Messi
Coach: Basile

Vamos Argentina! cool.gif

Posted by: dst Jul 15 2007, 06:27 PM

QUOTE (mishale @ Jul 15 2007, 08:21 PM)
Vamos Argentina!  cool.gif
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Posted by: Portikins Jul 15 2007, 06:32 PM

I dunno... I'll probably cheer for Brazil just because they're without their 2 best players.

But Argentina is clearly the big favourite for this final.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 15 2007, 06:45 PM

I like Brazil because of the amazing football they play, but without Dinho, Kaka' and Ronaldo .. There is little to look forward to, as we all saw in this coppa edition. Argentina, on the other hand, have an amazing team and they edge Brazil from the technical aspect in all parts of the field.

Argentina will win it, unless Dunga can get Kaka' and Dinho in somehow, Brazil don't stand a chance.

Posted by: dst Jul 15 2007, 06:46 PM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 15 2007, 08:32 PM)
I dunno... I'll probably cheer for Brazil just because they're without their 2 best players.
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And the only player of the squad that I like... rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 15 2007, 08:45 PM)
I like Brazil because of the amazing football they play...
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I don't like Brazil's football! I mean... it's enjoyable but too anarchic... too exhibitionistic! rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 15 2007, 08:45 PM)
Brazil don't stand a chance.
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I don't think so... anyway, we'll see!

Posted by: Tennie Jul 15 2007, 06:50 PM

I admire the way Argentina has played during the Copa, but I feel...disloyal if I actively cheer for a team that has Javier Zanetti, Crespo, etc etc on it. I'm sort of 'eh' on this year's Brazil team too, to be honest.

I'll watch as a neutral, I guess.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 15 2007, 09:56 PM

Ah finally we have a decent commentator doing a Copa America game.

A repeat of the final a few years ago wouldn't be bad!

Posted by: Portikins Jul 15 2007, 10:05 PM

Gee... that Brazil 11 sucks. Only Robinho, Alex, Baptista, Doni and Elano are good. The others... crap. Pure sh1t.

I hope I'm wrong but Argentina will win it.

Posted by: misha Jul 15 2007, 10:10 PM

Nice goal!! 1:0 to Brazil

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 15 2007, 10:10 PM

QUOTE (Porty @ Jul 15 2007, 09:05 PM)
Gee... that Brazil 11 sucks. Only Robinho, Alex, Baptista, Doni and Elano are good. The others... crap. Pure sh1t.

I hope I'm wrong but Argentina will win it.
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Haha Baptista biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

What a goal

Posted by: Portikins Jul 15 2007, 10:10 PM

OMFG! What a stunner by Baptista! What an Animal! ohmy.gif The beast!

R.Madrid will ask 90M for him after this. What a strike! No chance.

4' 1-0 Brazil 1 up.

Posted by: Portikins Jul 15 2007, 10:12 PM

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jul 15 2007, 10:10 PM)
Haha Baptista  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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He's a good player for me. Always was... in La Liga.

Arsenal and the PL weren't the best for him. If I was Schuster I'd keep him in Madrid. He can play in 3 or 4 different places.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 15 2007, 10:14 PM

Ohhh Riquelme so unlucky, what a final, this is far better than the world cup monstrosity!

Posted by: Portikins Jul 15 2007, 10:47 PM

Can't stop laughing! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

2-0! Ayala own goal! He thought he was Nistelrooy or so. laugh.gif

Argentina losing against a Brazil second-team.

Posted by: Kaka Is Brilliant Jul 15 2007, 11:33 PM

3-0, game over why even bother trying to insult Brazilians!

Posted by: Portikins Jul 16 2007, 12:06 AM

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jul 15 2007, 11:33 PM)
3-0, game over why even bother trying to insult Brazilians!
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Dani Alves... what a counter it was. ohmy.gif

Another glorious day for Milan and our brazillian-core (even without players there). Another sh!t-day for Moratti and his Argentina. cool.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 16 2007, 12:09 AM

How the hell do you lose against Brazil reserves?

I think there's only one smiley that can describe the performance of Argentina and most importantly, Tevez. laugh.gif

At least England gave a good account of ourselves, we had R10 and Kaka' to contend with, too!

Posted by: dst Jul 16 2007, 01:57 AM

Zanetti will ALWAYS be a loser! rolleyes.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Jul 16 2007, 03:48 AM

QUOTE (Kaka Is Brilliant @ Jul 16 2007, 01:33 AM)
3-0, game over why even bother trying to insult Brazilians!
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Totally unexpected !

It was like Milan in the CL !! We weren't expected to pass Celtic and we did.

But this second string team of Brazil proved a point. That Brazil can play with 10 different line ups rolleyes.gif And still come out victorious.

I am glade Dunga won this tournament, one thing is certain, he kepy his critics quite.

Argentina were a dissapointment. They had the team and they had it all, but it was their ego that took them down ! They went into the match, thinking they already won the coppa rolleyes.gif

Posted by: misha Jul 16 2007, 08:22 AM

It's a pity but Brazil deserves it.


Posted by: whoarethepatriots Jul 16 2007, 10:57 AM

Again Argentina choke on the big stage, but by now we are all getting used to it

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 16 2007, 01:54 PM

QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Jul 16 2007, 09:57 AM)
Again Argentina choke on the big stage, but by now we are all getting used to it
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It never gets old. biggrin.gif

Posted by: misha Jul 16 2007, 02:52 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 16 2007, 03:54 PM)
It never gets old.  biggrin.gif
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Reminds you some other NT ? wink.gif

Posted by: kurtsimonw Jul 16 2007, 02:57 PM

QUOTE (mishale @ Jul 16 2007, 01:52 PM)
Reminds you some other NT ?  wink.gif
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I wouldn't say Israel 'chocked' as such, they've just never been that good. tongue.gif

Only messing. We're probably as bad, if not worse, than Argentina. But it's not something I really want to brag about. dry.gif

Posted by: misha Jul 16 2007, 02:59 PM

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 16 2007, 04:57 PM)
Only messing. We're probably as bad, if not worse, than Argentina. But it's not something I really want to brag about. dry.gif
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Posted by: zdrossoneri Jul 16 2007, 11:40 PM

It's just cooool to see that Brazil humiliate favored Argentina over and over again !!

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