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post Oct 22 2014, 10:07 PM
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Juventus just don't have CL DNA inside them. However well they may play at CL level they just don't know how to win.

I've preached this for years, and as Han knows, I got abused elsewhere for saying it. By Milan fans! But, the results bear my view out.

They just don't know how to do CL.

And the fact they're actually not very good at at doesn't help - further evidence of the decline of Serie A in CL. Milan aside.
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post Oct 22 2014, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 22 2014, 09:45 PM) *
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Did you see the game?

Nope, don't really need to, no matter how they played they still lost to a Greek side. And most people won't have seen it either, they'll look at this result and the Roma one and they'll come to their own conclusions

Roma were awful yesterday, totally and completely outclassed by Bayern, this is the side that is basically the only other challenger in our league for the title while the undisputed favourites can't even win against a Greek side and got humbled by Atletico. This says it all about Serie A in general

I know Roma were just naïve in how they approached the game, but I would expect a tactically astute coach/team to approach a game against one of the top 3 sides in world football right now more prepared than they were, instead we saw an idiotic gung-ho performance. At least in the past with Italian sides you'd at the least expect them to be stubborn and incredibly difficult to break down. Juve's loss is just the icing.

Hopefully the clubs in the EL do better tomorrow.
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post Oct 22 2014, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 22 2014, 10:07 PM) *
Juventus just don't have CL DNA inside them. However well they may play at CL level they just don't know how to win.

I've preached this for years, and as Han knows, I got abused elsewhere for saying it. By Milan fans! But, the results bear my view out.

They just don't know how to do CL.

And the fact they're actually not very good at at doesn't help - further evidence of the decline of Serie A in CL. Milan aside.

We haven't been great shakes in Europe either for a while now, we've only gotten past the last 16 once since we won it in 2007 and have been repeatedly humbled by Barca and once against Man U during that time. Fact is Italian sides just cannot compete in terms of quality.

However there shouldn't be any excuses for Juve, they have a far better team than Olympiacos and still lost, yeah they're not a good continental side, that's true, the fact that they've only won the thing twice in their history considering all the riches they had throughout the years says it all
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post Oct 22 2014, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 23 2014, 12:42 AM) *
Nope, don't really need to, no matter how they played they still lost to a Greek side. And most people won't have seen it either, they'll look at this result and the Roma one and they'll come to their own conclusions

Olympiacos are actually a very solid team. They also beat AM at home on opening night. They lost at Malmo but they should have won there too.

That said, I agree with what you say about Juventus lacking CL DNA.
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post Oct 22 2014, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 22 2014, 10:42 PM) *
Nope, don't really need to, no matter how they played they still lost to a Greek side. And most people won't have seen it either, they'll look at this result and the Roma one and they'll come to their own conclusions


Then you can't really say they got humiliated. Juve completely dominated the second half, and the only reason they didn't score 2-3 goals tonight was because Olympiakos' goalie made some incredible saves.

I would agree with what Danny said every other day of the week, but not tonight. Tonight Juve played well and didn't deserve to lose.

Besides, Olympiakos also beat Atletico Madrid, last year's finalists and Spanish champions, so you shouldn't underestimate them.

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post Oct 22 2014, 11:12 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Oct 22 2014, 10:02 PM) *
That said, I agree with what you say about Juventus lacking CL DNA.


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post Oct 22 2014, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 22 2014, 10:05 PM) *
I would agree with what Danny said every other day of the week, but not tonight. Tonight Juve played well and didn't deserve to lose.


But they did. And that's my point. Look at this picture:

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That's a Barca (last season) who 'didn't deserve to lose' - but Celtic, until this season, were basically unbeatable at Parkhead no matter WHAT you did, how well you played.

Have you ever seen stats like those?

Well Celtic knew how to win at home - regardless of what Barca threw at them.

Juve are the opposite - they can play as well as they like, as Barca did that night, but they just do not have the mentality or CL 'stuff'.

They are not, never have been, and never will be a CL team. They are a domestic titan, but it will never translate to Europe.
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post Oct 22 2014, 11:22 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 22 2014, 09:45 PM) *
We haven't been great shakes in Europe either for a while now, we've only gotten into the last 16 once since we won it in 2007


Errr what? We've made it to the last 16 5 times since 2007.

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and have been repeatedly humbled by Barca and once against Man U during that time. Fact is Italian sides just cannot compete in terms of quality.


I agree there, but Milan are by far the most successful at this level. Even last season when we were domestically woeful we still got to the last 16. More than a supposedly stronger Juve did, with a weaker group than we had.

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However there shouldn't be any excuses for Juve, they have a far better team than Olympiacos and still lost, yeah they're not a good continental side, that's true, the fact that they've only won the thing twice in their history considering all the riches they had throughout the years says it all


I remember the match they drew v Galatasaray - they played 'well' that night and 'deserved' to win. But the fact is they didn't.

Winning is about knowing how to win, not deserving to.
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post Oct 23 2014, 02:20 AM
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Press in UK giving Balo absolute dog's abuse. Not abuse, you understand, but utterly valid criticism.

Every passing failed match, every passing addition to his 'emotional baggage' collection continues to vindicate myself and X in terms of not being able to shove him out the door fast enough. I was overjoyed we got £16M for him, because now everyone seems to think Liverpool were robbed. And they were.

It was plain to those who understood that Balo is just a lost cause, and moving to Anfield wasn't going to make him anything else.

The guy, quite simply, is a total and utter d*ck and he ruins every club he's at.

I'm just glad it's a club I hate he's now doing it to (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Oct 23 2014, 06:35 AM
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No better club for him to fail at too. Fans so full of self delusion it's unreal. This post when he signed was embarrassing to read.

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post Oct 23 2014, 11:55 AM
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post Oct 23 2014, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 23 2014, 05:35 AM) *
No better club for him to fail at too. Fans so full of self delusion it's unreal. This post when he signed was embarrassing to read.

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post Oct 23 2014, 12:05 PM
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post Oct 23 2014, 01:11 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 22 2014, 11:22 PM) *
Errr what? We've made it to the last 16 5 times since 2007.

I wrote "into" instead of "past". Fixed it. We've only got past the last 16 once during that time period
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post Oct 23 2014, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 23 2014, 03:20 AM) *
Press in UK giving Balo absolute dog's abuse. Not abuse, you understand, but utterly valid criticism.

Every passing failed match, every passing addition to his 'emotional baggage' collection continues to vindicate myself and X in terms of not being able to shove him out the door fast enough. I was overjoyed we got £16M for him, because now everyone seems to think Liverpool were robbed. And they were.

It was plain to those who understood that Balo is just a lost cause, and moving to Anfield wasn't going to make him anything else.

The guy, quite simply, is a total and utter d*ck and he ruins every club he's at.

I'm just glad it's a club I hate he's now doing it to (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Yup. Had my doubts, somehow believed that maybe Pippo could bring out the champion in him, and felt we should have gotten more money out of him on a transfer. However, it looks like he is hopeless. Good riddance !
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