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Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 26 2017, 05:25 PM



Role: Midfielder
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Birth date: 08/02/1994
Birth place: Mannheim, Germany
Height: 178 cm

Posted by: han2503 Jul 26 2017, 07:59 PM

Thanks for opening the threads! Just haven't had much time lately

Posted by: Danny Jul 26 2017, 08:40 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 26 2017, 07:59 PM) *
Thanks for opening the threads! Just haven't had much time lately


SLACKER!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 26 2017, 08:50 PM

No problem, I'll do the others as well in time smile.gif

Posted by: han2503 Jul 30 2017, 09:26 AM

This is the one I have the most question marks about.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 30 2017, 09:37 AM

To be quite frank, the only players I really have no question marks are Bonucci and Rodriguez. All other players are either one-season-wonders to be seen, potentials like Calha or complete question marks like Silva.

Posted by: han2503 Jul 30 2017, 10:30 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 30 2017, 09:37 AM) *
To be quite frank, the only players I really have no question marks are Bonucci and Rodriguez. All other players are either one-season-wonders to be seen, potentials like Calha or complete question marks like Silva.

For me it's

Sure of success: Bonucci, Musacchio, Rodriguez, Biglia

Almost completely sure of success: Kessie, Conti

Question Marks: Silva, Calhanoglu

Sure of failure: Borini

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 30 2017, 10:56 AM

Yes, very logical. I'm still waiting to see more of Conti, Musacchio and Kessie. But Silva, man, I'm really unsure about him.

Posted by: X-Offender Jul 30 2017, 11:20 AM

I think he will surprise a lot of people. Probably the player I have most hopes for.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Jul 30 2017, 03:17 PM

I love Borini. He's my new Gilardino. I swear to protect his honour, till he completely pisses me off. laugh.gif

Posted by: han2503 Jul 30 2017, 06:08 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 30 2017, 10:56 AM) *
Yes, very logical. I'm still waiting to see more of Conti, Musacchio and Kessie. But Silva, man, I'm really unsure about him.

Musacchio for me is a sure thing. The only issue with him is whether or not he'll be able to stay fit the entire season or not. He's played at a very high level for a while and has been part of a very solid defensive line at Villareal.

He was a very highly rated defender that was wanted by a lot of clubs before he broke his leg which subsequently pushed a lot of his suitors away.

As for Silva, no doubt he's a gamble at the price we paid, but if he comes off for us. He has super star potential for sure.

I think he has definite talent, some players just show it instantly when they're on the pitch, and Silva definitely has that touch of class in him. But I don't expect him to hit the ground running. He'll need a bit of time to acclimate with his team mates and the league

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 30 2017, 11:20 AM) *
I think he will surprise a lot of people. Probably the player I have most hopes for.

In that sense, I'm with you, I have high hopes for him. But I'm not going to put too much pressure on this idea I have of him succeeding, because we could just as easily be let down if he isn't an instant success this season

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Jul 30 2017, 03:17 PM) *
I love Borini. He's my new Gilardino. I swear to protect his honour, till he completely pisses me off. laugh.gif

At least Gila knew how to score. Can't even say that about Borini

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Jul 31 2017, 07:48 AM

Hmh. Touch of class? Are you sure? When or how did you see that?

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Jul 31 2017, 06:08 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 30 2017, 12:30 PM) *
For me it's

Sure of success: Bonucci, Musacchio, Rodriguez, Biglia

Almost completely sure of success: Kessie, Conti

Question Marks: Silva, Calhanoglu

Sure of failure: Borini


And for me it is:

Sure of success: Bonucci, Musacchio, Rodriguez,

Almost completely sure of success: Kessie, , Biglia, Calhanoglu

Question Marks: Conti

Sure of failure: Borini, Silva

Posted by: Danny Jul 31 2017, 06:55 PM

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 31 2017, 06:08 PM) *
And for me it is:

Sure of success: Bonucci, Musacchio, Rodriguez,

Almost completely sure of success: Kessie, , Biglia, Calhanoglu

Question Marks: Conti

Sure of failure: Borini, Silva


We disagree on so much. So it's refreshing to see this post is a carbon copy of what I'd have said. Agreed entirely on every choice.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Jul 31 2017, 07:45 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 31 2017, 08:55 PM) *
We disagree on so much. So it's refreshing to see this post is a carbon copy of what I'd have said. Agreed entirely on every choice.


So, we agree or we dont? biggrin.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Jul 31 2017, 08:45 PM

I will play too!

Sure of success: Musacchio, Bonucci, Kessie

Almost completely sure of success: Biglia, Calhanoglu, Rodriguez

Question marks: Conti, Silva

Sure of failure: Borini

A bit on the fence on Rodriguez to be honest, but I think he'll succeed.

Posted by: Danny Jul 31 2017, 08:49 PM

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 31 2017, 07:45 PM) *
So, we agree or we dont? biggrin.gif


On this one, we do smile.gif

Posted by: X-Offender Jul 31 2017, 08:58 PM

So, you're not alone on Silva after all, Danny...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 1 2017, 09:39 AM

Poor Hakan, completely hijacked his thread...

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 1 2017, 09:40 AM

Fine. We're hijacking this thread, but I'm a mod who likes to watch the world burn...

Sure of success: Kessie, Biglia

Almost completely sure of success: Bonucci, Mussachio, Rodriguez

Question marks: Conti, Silva, HK10, Borini

Sure of failure: han2503 picking up a girl on a wild Saturday night out. tongue.gif


Bonucci is not a sure thing for me - first because the expectations of this transfer have become too astronomical, second he's not the greatest stopper in the world. His ability to playmake is often used as cover for his less than stellar defensive ability. But he performs well in a unit and I think his partnership with Mussachio is one I'm keen to watch. Mussachio has amazing anticipation for someone playing in a new team.

I'm not considering Borini a failure because we knew precisely what we were getting with him. He's not been brought in to score goals. He's been brought in to work like a dog and tire out the flanks and the defenders while our creatives and scorers take advantage of it.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 1 2017, 09:42 AM

Score goals? I think Borini scored as much goals in 10 years as Gilardino in two seasons, no?

Posted by: Fishdoll Aug 1 2017, 12:26 PM

While we're hijacking, why are folks so unsure of Conti? I thought he was quite good last year for Atalanta. Is it because his attacking runs leave him exposed sometimes?

My list:

Sure of Success: Kessie, Bonucci, Musacchio
Almost Completely Sure of Success: Biglia, Rodriguez, Conti
Question Marks: Hakan, Silva, Borini
No Cookies for You: Anyone in an Inert shirt.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 1 2017, 12:42 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 1 2017, 04:12 PM) *
Score goals? I think Borini scored as much goals in 10 years as Gilardino in two seasons, no?


Yes. Easily. Gilardino was like Belotti level next big thing after that season at Parma actually he had two epic seasons where he scored 23 goals back to back. And then he was with Milan, where in his first season he scored 17 goals in 34 games.

But this was my point, Borini was not brought in as a goal scorer. He'll play for us in our less important matches, and maybe in the Coppa Italia games and such.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 1 2017, 05:21 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 1 2017, 09:40 AM) *
Bonucci is not a sure thing for me - first because the expectations of this transfer have become too astronomical, second he's not the greatest stopper in the world. His ability to playmake is often used as cover for his less than stellar defensive ability. But he performs well in a unit and I think his partnership with Mussachio is one I'm keen to watch. Mussachio has amazing anticipation for someone playing in a new team.


Good point. Bonucci is a great defender, but I think his signing has been massively overhyped by both media and fans. He's neither Nesta nor Cannavaro. I can see why he'a considered one of the best if not the best CB around at the moment, but the quality of centrebacks nowadays has declined massively compared to 10-15 years ago. Modern football is all about attacking and less about defending.

That being said, I see no reason why Bonucci won't succeed. Of course his performance will be tightly linked to that of the team as a whole.

Posted by: Ry4n Aug 18 2017, 03:54 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 1 2017, 12:45 AM) *
I will play too!

Sure of success: Musacchio, Bonucci, Kessie

Almost completely sure of success: Biglia, Calhanoglu, Rodriguez

Question marks: Conti, Silva

Sure of failure: Borini

A bit on the fence on Rodriguez to be honest, but I think he'll succeed.

Borini's work rate last game was not bad at all.. i think he will be a good squad player , sure he failed in England but he never really fit in that league not many Italians succeed there.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 19 2017, 08:42 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 1 2017, 05:21 PM) *
Good point. Bonucci is a great defender, but I think his signing has been massively overhyped by both media and fans. He's neither Nesta nor Cannavaro. I can see why he'a considered one of the best if not the best CB around at the moment, but the quality of centrebacks nowadays has declined massively compared to 10-15 years ago. Modern football is all about attacking and less about defending.

That being said, I see no reason why Bonucci won't succeed. Of course his performance will be tightly linked to that of the team as a whole.

Well the Bonucci transfer has been hyped because of two factors, not just one; that he's obviously a great player and top 3 in his position imo

But it's also because we took him off of Juve. After years of getting Ls from them, with the Tevez saga, the Matri transfer, the ghost Mustari goal, Pirlo, etc, etc. We finally got one over on them and man does it hurt them.

I think that's a major factor of why fans have been so overjoyed about Bonucci, it's because he represents so much more for Milan than just getting a top class player (which we didn't think we'd be able to get before the summer started, and not just Bonucci but any top tier player)

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 19 2017, 01:39 PM

Bonucci is a great signing in several ways. We get a top player, a commander and player with a winning-mentality which we were lacking for years and all that brushed off from our main opponents. I'd call this a real good deal, no need to whine over it.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 19 2017, 05:29 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 19 2017, 08:09 PM) *
Bonucci is a great signing in several ways. We get a top player, a commander and player with a winning-mentality which we were lacking for years and all that brushed off from our main opponents. I'd call this a real good deal, no need to whine over it.


No whining, except for Ry4n. But when this topic came up, we'd just bought Bonucci and it was peak of Fassobelli mania. People were talking as if we were going to win the scudetto as a matter of course.

Posted by: Danny Aug 19 2017, 09:38 PM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 1 2017, 05:21 PM) *
Good point. Bonucci is a great defender, but I think his signing has been massively overhyped by both media and fans. He's neither Nesta nor Cannavaro. I can see why he'a considered one of the best if not the best CB around at the moment, but the quality of centrebacks nowadays has declined massively compared to 10-15 years ago. Modern football is all about attacking and less about defending.


Can't disagree with this. Defending isn't what it was 10 years ago. The world's best defender? Bonucci is among them but the best now are simply not comparable with the guys you mention above.

Posted by: Rossoneri7 Aug 20 2017, 09:28 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 19 2017, 04:39 PM) *
Bonucci is a great signing in several ways. We get a top player, a commander and player with a winning-mentality which we were lacking for years and all that brushed off from our main opponents. I'd call this a real good deal, no need to whine over it.


Bonucci is a great signing. The impact will be huge, he adds experience and leadership.

The issue will be in the team as a collective. I dont expect the team to mount a title challenge from the off and expect struggle so time is needed for them to gel and form a bond.

This could take a while.

Posted by: Danny Aug 20 2017, 03:59 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 19 2017, 01:39 PM) *
Bonucci is a great signing in several ways. We get a top player, a commander and player with a winning-mentality which we were lacking for years and all that brushed off from our main opponents. I'd call this a real good deal, no need to whine over it.


I still say that while it was a colossal signing, it was a strange situation because either we go three at the back or we bench one defender. And it'll never be the captain and I can't see Musacchio being here to be benched so it's Romagnoli.

And he will not be content with that.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 20 2017, 06:26 PM

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 19 2017, 11:38 PM) *
Can't disagree with this. Defending isn't what it was 10 years ago. The world's best defender? Bonucci is among them but the best now are simply not comparable with the guys you mention above.

IMO it's completely inappropriate, comparing them or mentioning them at all. Another time, another football. Today we don't have Cannavaro or Nesta and no one can know how they would do against Ronaldo, Messi, etc. Bonucci is one of the 5 best defenders in the world right now and that's what matters.

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 20 2017, 05:59 PM) *
I still say that while it was a colossal signing, it was a strange situation because either we go three at the back or we bench one defender. And it'll never be the captain and I can't see Musacchio being here to be benched so it's Romagnoli.

And he will not be content with that.

Well, these are the situations a coach should handle. So far Romagnoli has been out with an injury. We'll see how things evolve.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 21 2017, 08:39 AM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 20 2017, 06:26 PM) *
IMO it's completely inappropriate, comparing them or mentioning them at all. Another time, another football. Today we don't have Cannavaro or Nesta and no one can know how they would do against Ronaldo, Messi, etc. Bonucci is one of the 5 best defenders in the world right now and that's what matters.


Well, these are the situations a coach should handle. So far Romagnoli has been out with an injury. We'll see how things evolve.

I think we've seen how Nesta does against Messi

And this was during the twilight of his career while Messi was about to hit his peek


Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 21 2017, 10:14 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 21 2017, 10:39 AM) *
I think we've seen how Nesta does against Messi

And this was during the twilight of his career while Messi was about to hit his peek


Indeed. So the assessment cannot be conclusive. And I remember Messi putting in one or two goals as well. So, there's really no debate here. Different times, different tactics and plays. The fact that Bonucci can pass and build up the game from behind like a defender-metronome is what counts in today's tactics. If it were oldfashioned tactics and criteria to be implemented, I'd probably argue that Ciro Ferrara, Billy Costacurta, Beppe Bergomi, Paolo Montero and a few other cats like them are much better then Bonucci. But old arguments and criteria really don't count here.

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