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A poor man's Menez. Don't want him anywhere near the first team.


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post Jul 5 2015, 05:25 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 4 2015, 09:41 PM) *
Inzaghi, is that you?


I don't rate him. Too selfish, too individualistic, but without the ability of Menez.

A poor man's Menez.

Happy for him to prove me wrong.

Not sure if Sini will give him the chance to though.
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 5 2015, 05:25 AM) *
I don't rate him. Too selfish, too individualistic, but without the ability of Menez.

A poor man's Menez.

Happy for him to prove me wrong.

Not sure if Sini will give him the chance to though.


And your assessment comes from having seen him play in tons and tons of matches, right?
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post Jul 5 2015, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 5 2015, 08:25 AM) *
And your assessment comes from having seen him play in tons and tons of matches, right?


If he acted out of character in the few appearances he made, then I'll be glad to see him act as more of a team player should he get his chance.
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 5 2015, 11:26 AM) *
If he acted out of character in the few appearances he made, then I'll be glad to see him act as more of a team player should he get his chance.


A player that barely plays and is given the chance in a couple of games will tend to act a bit individualistic in order to impress the coach. Even so, I never got that feeling from Suso. Unlike Menez, it was fairly obvious he was playing for the team and not for himself.
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post Jul 5 2015, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 5 2015, 10:35 AM) *
A player that barely plays and is given the chance in a couple of games will tend to act a bit individualistic in order to impress the coach.


Van Ginkel didn't v Empoli? He was excellent till his 30th minute injury. Played for the team, looked composed.

Armero didn't v Lazio in January. He was rubbish but he wasn't selfish.

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Even so, I never got that feeling from Suso. Unlike Menez, it was fairly obvious he was playing for the team and not for himself.


Wasn't obvious to me. Versus Udinese, where he started, the only three players to manage less passes in the match for us (24) than him were Lopez (23), Paletta (14) and Pazzo (11). Of all the mids and creative players, Suso ranked bottom in terms of team play. Even Menez managed more, 48. His success rate of those passes was also the lowest in the whole team - 62.5%.

He improved against Inter, with the highest number of passes of all the attackers (36 - not by a lot, Pazzo was 33), and the highest % in attack, but v Sassuolo, before his red card, he managed the lowest overall again (20), and even if it had doubled for the second half, he would have remained among the lowest passing players.

This is my issue - I see talent here, potential - but in three appearances he was too just selfish with the ball, not looking up, and wanting the glory for himself.

It goes one of two ways. Either he goes the way of Menez, playing for himself, ball hogging, wanting to be the match winner, or, at his young age he gets the time to mature his game, pass more, look up and work harder off the ball.

Even Niang has learned to play as a team player, so Suso certainly has time, and we see what happens when that isn't knocked out of a player at an early age (Menez).

It's in his hands, and hopefully Sini can get that side out of his game and turn him into a serious talent. If, he sees him as part of his plans, that is.



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QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 5 2015, 03:11 PM) *
Van Ginkel didn't v Empoli? He was excellent till his 30th minute injury. Played for the team, looked composed.

Armero didn't v Lazio in January. He was rubbish but he wasn't selfish.


You can't really compare a LB and a CM to an attacker in that regard. And besides, the game against Empoli was early in the season. Suso was signed in January but was not given a proper chance until mid-April when we played Inter, where he was arguably one of the better players in that horrendous match. Then a bad game where everyone was crap and bam, relegated on the bench for the rest of the season.

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Wasn't obvious to me. Versus Udinese, where he started, the only three players to manage less passes in the match for us (24) than him were Lopez (23), Paletta (14) and Pazzo (11). Of all the mids and creative players, Suso ranked bottom in terms of team play. Even Menez managed more, 48. His success rate of those passes was also the lowest in the whole team - 62.5%.

He improved against Inter, with the highest number of passes of all the attackers (36 - not by a lot, Pazzo was 33), and the highest % in attack, but v Sassuolo, before his red card, he managed the lowest overall again (20), and even if it had doubled for the second half, he would have remained among the lowest passing players.

This is my issue - I see talent here, potential - but in three appearances he was too just selfish with the ball, not looking up, and wanting the glory for himself.

It goes one of two ways. Either he goes the way of Menez, playing for himself, ball hogging, wanting to be the match winner, or, at his young age he gets the time to mature his game, pass more, look up and work harder off the ball.

Even Niang has learned to play as a team player, so Suso certainly has time, and we see what happens when that isn't knocked out of a player at an early age (Menez).

It's in his hands, and hopefully Sini can get that side out of his game and turn him into a serious talent. If, he sees him as part of his plans, that is.


Give him time, dear. Judging him on those few scraps of games he's played is way too immature.

And speaking of the devil, according to Corriere, Suso has been the real surprise in these first two days of training. He's really impressed Mihajlovic, who wants him to stay at this point.

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post Jul 5 2015, 07:37 PM
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If Sini's not playing with wingers, I struggle to see where Suso can fit in.
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 5 2015, 07:37 PM) *
If Sini's not playing with wingers, I struggle to see where Suso can fit in.


Suso can play anywhere in attacking midfield.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 5 2015, 06:57 PM) *
Suso can play anywhere in attacking midfield.


Oh, seen enough of him to know that, have you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 5 2015, 10:37 PM) *
Oh, seen enough of him to know that, have you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


No, just search the internet and you'll find out.
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shame if we let this guy go he gets pretty good in FM15 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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QUOTE (Ry4n @ Jul 6 2015, 10:33 AM) *
shame if we let this guy go he gets pretty good in FM15 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


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Danny, you're so quick to judge players you give people whiplash. At first you're all about someone, they have one disappointing performance and they're suddenly dead to you.

I just don't get that type of attitude towards judging players. Players need time to adapt and integrate into a side, spending a season on the bench and getting one chance where you find it hard to impress isn't something that's unheard of, actually it's quite common

Like with Van Ginkel. Once he started to get more playing time later in the season he struggled a bit, but once he did find his feet he was our best mid imo in those last few matches
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 6 2015, 11:48 AM) *
Danny, you're so quick to judge players you give people whiplash. At first you're all about someone, they have one disappointing performance and they're suddenly dead to you.


Name a single example! For me, and this is key; you're only as good as your last match. I judge in real time. If someone has 3 bad matches and one good one I say they had three bad matches and one good one.

And I do rate Suso as a player, but he's immature like Niang was and plays like he did. Menez is what happens when that isn't coached out of a player.

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I just don't get that type of attitude towards judging players. Players need time to adapt and integrate into a side, spending a season on the bench and getting one chance where you find it hard to impress isn't something that's unheard of, actually it's quite common

Like with Van Ginkel. Once he started to get more playing time later in the season he struggled a bit, but once he did find his feet he was our best mid imo in those last few matches


Even SES excelled in our last few matches. Even Pippo looked like a manager.

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