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post Oct 8 2017, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 7 2017, 10:20 PM) *
We got Liverpool in 2007.

I think that until 2012 football wasn't as monopolized by the Spanish teams as it has become in these last few years. Which has coincided with Juve's rise as well. They're unlucky in that way, but they lost 2 finals by big margins when they should have done better than they did. They've always struggled in Europe, especially in the crucial moments. And this is not just a recent thing, but a historical fact
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post Oct 8 2017, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 8 2017, 10:09 AM) *
I think that until 2012 football wasn't as monopolized by the Spanish teams as it has become in these last few years. Which has coincided with Juve's rise as well. They're unlucky in that way, but they lost 2 finals by big margins when they should have done better than they did. They've always struggled in Europe, especially in the crucial moments. And this is not just a recent thing, but a historical fact


I was speaking about those two finals only since you brought them up. I think any team would have lost them, not just Juve.
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post Oct 8 2017, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 8 2017, 11:23 AM) *
I was speaking about those two finals only since you brought them up. I think any team would have lost them, not just Juve.

Maybe you're right, we'll never know. That being said, Juve absolutely crumbled both times and they were better than that each time but simply caved under the pressure
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post Oct 8 2017, 05:15 PM
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No offense guys, but this is a pretty stupid argument.

Football in the 00's and early 10's was, like Han said, different and not monopolized by Real and Barcelona. Nowadays to win the CL you gotta win against one of the two teams (or both), it's that simple. Just think of it: Bayern, Barcelona, Real Madrid - that's all we've seen in the last couple of years. No one stood a real chance, Atletico was the only team that got near to it.

Would any team loose to Madrid last season? Who knows. That's very counterfactual. But what I do know is that Juventus could have done more, in terms of formation, tactics, preparation, etc.
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post Oct 9 2017, 12:06 AM
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But it doesn't change the fact that in our last three CL finals we faced Juventus and twice Liverpool. Obviously it was more difficult for Juve with Barça and Madrid, regardless of how much football has changed since then.
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post Oct 9 2017, 12:47 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 9 2017, 02:06 AM) *
But it doesn't change the fact that in our last three CL finals we faced Juventus and twice Liverpool. Obviously it was more difficult for Juve with Barça and Madrid, regardless of how much football has changed since then.

Hmh? I really don't get your point. We faced Liverpool, Liverpool faced us. Milan in 2007 wasn't even considered a top contender. But back then 10 or even more clubs could have been in the final and it would be no surprise. Nowadays and club other then Barcelona, Real and Bayern winning the CL (let alone playing the final) is a major upset.

But seriously, I don't get what you're trying to say by this comparison? That we had an easier job back then in 2007, 2005 and 2003 then Juventus in their last finals?
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post Oct 9 2017, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 9 2017, 12:47 AM) *
But seriously, I don't get what you're trying to say by this comparison? That we had an easier job back then in 2007, 2005 and 2003 then Juventus in their last finals?


Of course. Are you perhaps claiming otherwise?
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post Apr 3 2018, 09:11 PM
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Juve - Madrid ; speechless.

Sheet class from Zidane’s team
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post Apr 3 2018, 11:25 PM
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Ronaldo’s goal though...
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post Apr 4 2018, 08:49 AM
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It's so depressing when you see that Milan needs to be at their best perfomance only to get trashed 3-1 by Juventus, the same team that is world's apart from Real who trashed them at home. This is why I'm losing faith and interest in football rapidly. Some teams are simply too strong.
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post Apr 4 2018, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 4 2018, 08:49 AM) *
It's so depressing when you see that Milan needs to be at their best perfomance only to get trashed 3-1 by Juventus, the same team that is world's apart from Real who trashed them at home. This is why I'm losing faith and interest in football rapidly. Some teams are simply too strong.


Honestly, Juve were dominating Real till they scored their second. Real were just out of it, they couldn't get out of their own half. Then Ronaldo happened, Juve got demoralized, Dybala got a red card, and the game turned itself. That's football for you.
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post Apr 5 2018, 11:01 AM
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Naah, Ronaldo happened when it already went down 0-1 (at home). The difference in class is obvious.
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post Apr 5 2018, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Apr 3 2018, 09:11 PM) *
Juve - Madrid ; speechless.

Sheet class from Zidane’s team

Meh, that's Ronaldo's team not Zidane's. I really wonder whether he even does any coaching with this team or just picks 11 players each game and just tells them to go out there and do what they do. His league form is a testament to this.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 4 2018, 08:49 AM) *
It's so depressing when you see that Milan needs to be at their best perfomance only to get trashed 3-1 by Juventus, the same team that is world's apart from Real who trashed them at home. This is why I'm losing faith and interest in football rapidly. Some teams are simply too strong.

Meh. We were unlucky against Juve, but that's just the way it is against them in the league, they always have the bounce of the ball going their way and it's been so since Buffon clawed out Muntari's shot from behind the line. But once they're in the CL and they're at the tail end, they tend to bottle it and it's been this way since around 1996. So...

Football is all about money, and Real have built practically 2 top class teams because they have plenty of it. The result against Juve could have easily been very different. The early goal was strange and it seemed like Juve were half asleep still. But they dominated the majority of the game against a team who has some of the best players in the world playing for them.

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Naah, Ronaldo happened when it already went down 0-1 (at home). The difference in class is obvious.

And who scored that goal? He's a difference maker, just like Messi is. Juve imo have one of the best teams in the World. They might be a step behind Real and Barca, but they're definitely on par with Bayern, City, PSG, etc. All of which are teams with endless resources their disposal
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post Apr 5 2018, 11:53 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Apr 5 2018, 05:30 PM) *
Meh, that's Ronaldo's team not Zidane's. I really wonder whether he even does any coaching with this team or just picks 11 players each game and just tells them to go out there and do what they do. His league form is a testament to this.


Meh. We were unlucky against Juve, but that's just the way it is against them in the league, they always have the bounce of the ball going their way and it's been so since Buffon clawed out Muntari's shot from behind the line. But once they're in the CL and they're at the tail end, they tend to bottle it and it's been this way since around 1996. So...

Football is all about money, and Real have built practically 2 top class teams because they have plenty of it. The result against Juve could have easily been very different. The early goal was strange and it seemed like Juve were half asleep still. But they dominated the majority of the game against a team who has some of the best players in the world playing for them.


And who scored that goal? He's a difference maker, just like Messi is. Juve imo have one of the best teams in the World. They might be a step behind Real and Barca, but they're definitely on par with Bayern, City, PSG, etc. All of which are teams with endless resources their disposal

And, bar Bayern, without international success...
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post Apr 6 2018, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Apr 5 2018, 11:01 AM) *
Naah, Ronaldo happened when it already went down 0-1 (at home). The difference in class is obvious.


Are you equating an early goal to superiority on the pitch?
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