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post Jul 21 2006, 01:44 PM
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Guys, a lot of talk has been going on recently about the incompleteness of our attacking line and I thought I should make a thread about it.

Do you really think we are in need of an attacker??

The problem of this team for the past 4 years has been its defencive function!!!!The Depor and Intanbul (I'm still not over this (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) ) incidents, last year's elimination from Barca, difficulty in winning low-ability teams have all been due to our defence!

Costacurta is not there still to play in CL, maybe only as a sub!Kladze? Well he's simply not good enough to be in the first XI as a CB in Milan's all legendary defence!!!!!

Last year even in the matches where we did not concede our defence was a mess ... Leaving chances against "small" teams is unacceptable for an Italian defence and our display in Nou Camp was simply pathetic!!!!

Our defence needs to be completely rebuilt, that's our problem!!!!!

Last year we won every single match in which Sheva did not play and we subsequently had to play with a lone striker.Means we're in no need of Sheva or such a type of striker!

We must throw money on defence as we need an RB, an LB, a CB and possibly a goalie!!!!!! In adittion, we need a DMF!!!!!!!!That's essential!!!! In Pirlo, we have an exceptionally good '10' restrained in keeping the defence safe.That's a crime and anything less than a great DMF this summer would be a scandal!!!!!!!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

Just imagine what can the duo of Pirlo + Kaka produce upfront and you'll be amazed ... There's no striker out there that is so good worth the money and the risk taken.Cause even Teves and especially Torres are no guarantee!!!

So, please focus on what IMO is really our problem!!!!

Essential signings: RB, LB, DMF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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post Jul 21 2006, 02:04 PM
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Good post dst .. Our defense def needs modification, the old guard of Nesta and Maldini is gone as was that of Baresi and Maldini; We need a fresh defense.

A RB is what we are in need more than anything, as we saw in the past season it was out weak point, which Gattuso was working overtime to cover.

A DM, I don't think we need one, we have Vogel, Gattuso, and Ambro .. I see no reason in why we should get another.

A LB, well Serginho is 34, and although his performance is world class (his speed and crosses), he has trouble covering the back line..

But to answer ur Q on do we need an extra striker? Yes we do, Milan is one short of a striker. Inzaghi is superpippo, I mean what else can I say about him, he is extraordinary, but as Maldini, he too is old and we r going to be forced to replace him sooner or later. Amoroso, well he is new to us, he proved to be good when he was in Sao Paolo, but are we going to take the risk? What if Gila got Injured? Do u think Pippo can play back to back 90 minute games?!

I find it unrealistic, as we will be facing the same prob we had faced on our defence last season, but this time it will be on our attack.
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post Jul 21 2006, 02:14 PM
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We need two DMFs in the first XI: Vogel and mostly Ambro are only good as subs!!!
We should play like this:
------------------ Gila ------
----------- Pirlo ------- Kaka -------

-- Gourcuff/Seedorf ---- Gatusso --

----------- Diarra/Mascherano ------
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post Jul 21 2006, 02:34 PM
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Milan plays with two forwards .. W or w/o Shevchenko, Milan will play with two forwards
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post Jul 21 2006, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jul 21 2006, 04:34 PM)
Milan plays with two forwards .. W or w/o Shevchenko, Milan will play with two forwards
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what do you mean?? We'll be forced to buy a striker just to fulfil that????
Milan also you used to play with a libero, now we don't!!!!!!!!!!!! ......................
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post Jul 21 2006, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Jul 21 2006, 02:14 PM)
We need two DMFs in the first XI: Vogel and mostly Ambro are only good as subs!!!
We should play like this:
------------------ Gila ------
----------- Pirlo ------- Kaka -------

-- Gourcuff/Seedorf ---- Gatusso --

----------- Diarra/Mascherano ------
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Now I don't agree with Pilro playing next to Kakà. Pirlo should not move from his position in front of the defense. It's what made him famous in Milan and Italy. If you really want to play with two supporters for the only striker, then they should be Kakà and Gourcuff.
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post Jul 21 2006, 03:43 PM
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Of course we need to reinforce our defence but we need to buy world class striker as well.
Gila is a good league striker but he needs to gain more international experience (WC+CL =1 goal)
Inzaghi is 33 and he has tendency to injuries.
Amoroso is not a Milan quality player.
So we have two normal strikers and one of them is old. Even if you play with one stiker all season (most likely wont happen) you need to have 3 good strikers in the squad.
As for defence we need at least 3 players, one in each position.
RB - Miguel or Oddo
CB - Barzaghli or Chivu
LB - Jankulovski should play(he is better than Serginho defensively) but Ancelotti doesn't trust him enough and brought Fawalli to cover Serginho
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post Jul 21 2006, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Jul 21 2006, 12:44 PM)
Do you really think we are in need of an attacker??

Essential signings: RB, LB, DMF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1) Yes. 1. Inzaghi is always with injuries problems, Amoroso is not quality... so only Gilardino upfront? I don't think so.

2) For the left we got Favalli. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

We really need a RB, Cafu is old and Simic is not as ofensive as Milan need... a DMF, I don't think so. Ambrosini is staying? Vogel too? ... def' no.

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post Jul 21 2006, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Jul 21 2006, 02:14 PM)
We need two DMFs in the first XI: Vogel and mostly Ambro are only good as subs!!!
We should play like this:
------------------ Gila ------
----------- Pirlo ------- Kaka -------

-- Gourcuff/Seedorf ---- Gatusso --

----------- Diarra/Mascherano ------
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What the f**k is that? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) dst, I think you've lost the plot lol. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) As if we're gonna get Diarra or Mascherano anyway! We DO have 2 DMFs in the 1st 11 - Gattuso & Pirlo! (also with Seedorf for support) Ambro will be the sub for Pirlo (said Ancelotti) as Brocchi will be for Rino.

Rossoneri7's right, we always play with 2 strikers, and rightly so. Heard we could get Crespo, that would be awesome. If not we could see how we get on 'til January with Pippo, Gila, Amoroso & Borriello. We don't need to "replace" Sheva, we couldn't anyway - he's a one-off!

Not happy with Favalli, but there's also Serginho & Jankulovski for LB. (I know he'd normally be a sub for Seedorf.) I think everyone should lay off Kaladze, since he's moved to CB he's been great & Galliani agrees with me. Not sure about keeping Simic, he'll be the sub for Cafu at RB.

I'll agree with you on 1 thing dst, our performance against Barca was pathetic, but only for the same reason as Juve's was against Arsenal - we played 3 days before that match (against Messina, where Nesta, Cafu & Kaka got injured. Not to mention the other players already injured) Barca had their league game suspended because of rain, having more time to prepare so they were alot more energetic, wheras we were completely knackered! (that's why we were so slow, especially in defence) We should have had a penalty for Puyol's foul on Sheva anyway, instead the dumbass ref gave a non-existent free kick the other way.
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post Jul 21 2006, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Jul 21 2006, 01:14 PM)
We need two DMFs in the first XI: Vogel and mostly Ambro are only good as subs!!!
We should play like this:
------------------ Gila ------
----------- Pirlo ------- Kaka -------

-- Gourcuff/Seedorf ---- Gatusso --

----------- Diarra/Mascherano ------
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2 fowards... 2 fowards... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Jul 21 2006, 04:57 PM
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I just wonder ... who will replace Shevchenko? You discuss too much about defence. Yes, in the past 7 years, we don't have to worry about attackers but now we will due to the absent of legendary Sheva.

Even you play with 1 striker, what's wrong if Gilar gets injury? Or when you meet strong teams, if you play only 1 striker, he must has at least strength and speed. Do you think Gilar good enough for those matches?
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post Jul 21 2006, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 21 2006, 05:24 PM)
Pirlo should not move from his position in front of the defense. It's what made him famous in Milan and Italy.
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Well his role in Italy is absolutely different than the one in Milan!!!!! Maybe he shall not play as up as I suggested but he certainly needs to be given more attacking responsibilities, just like in Italy!!!

QUOTE (milanista1899 @ Jul 21 2006, 06:10 PM)
What the f**k is that?  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)   dst, I think you've lost the plot lol.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) As if we're gonna get Diarra or Mascherano anyway! We DO have 2 DMFs in the 1st 11 - Gattuso & Pirlo! (also with Seedorf for support) Ambro will be the sub for Pirlo (said Ancelotti) as Brocchi will be for Rino.
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(IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) What's that suppose to mean??? Then we shouldn't talk about possible transfers, like we're gonna get Torres anyway ... And Pirlo, a DMF?????DMF=Defensive Midfileder/ Holding Midfileder!!!!!!!!!!! Let me introduce you to Andrea Pirlo, a classic ol' number '10'!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE (milanista1899 @ Jul 21 2006, 06:10 PM)
Rossoneri7's right, we always play with 2 strikers, and rightly so. Heard we could get Crespo, that would be awesome. If not we could see how we get on 'til January with Pippo, Gila, Amoroso & Borriello. We don't need to "replace" Sheva, we couldn't anyway - he's a one-off!
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We always play with two strikers??? Man we won the CL and Scudetto playing the Christma tree, what was bad with that, that we lost the Intercontinental Cup???
I can't get you guys, really ....

QUOTE (milanista1899 @ Jul 21 2006, 06:10 PM)
I think everyone should lay off Kaladze, since he's moved to CB he's been great & Galliani agrees with me.
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Yeah but Galliani got a year off ... I think that's why he was panished, right? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
You wouldn't want that !!!

QUOTE (milanista1899 @ Jul 21 2006, 06:10 PM)
we played 3 days before that match
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Well even if it was 1 week after our previous game, would you excpept anything more from the likes of Cafu, Serginho, Costacurta considering their age and the fact that it was the end of the season??? I wouldn't, this team is aged!!!! Thank God we're not playing in CL next year, maybe Galliani will finally buy some replacements!!!!


QUOTE (Portugal @ Jul 21 2006, 05:59 PM)

Oops I'm so stupid, we don't need no LB!!!!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE (YoungGun @ Jul 21 2006, 06:57 PM)
I just wonder ... who will replace Shevchenko? You discuss too much about defence.
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And I thought I made this topic because we discuss too much about our attack situation ... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)



anyway, you guys got me all wrong about the striker; We could use Crespo yes indeed but other than that I think we don't need to replace Sheva. I mean now's not the time to spend big for a forward while our defence needs about 100 million on it!!!!!!!


PS We (Milan) should stop being so kind-hearted in some matters; Serginho should have already gone since last season ended and Cafu must certainly leave as soon as we buy (IF ... (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) ) a replacement!!!!
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post Jul 21 2006, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE (dst @ Jul 21 2006, 07:46 PM)
anyway, you guys got me all wrong about the striker; We could use Crespo yes indeed but other than that I think we don't need to replace Sheva. I mean now's not the time to spend big for a forward while our defence needs about 100 million on it!!!!!!!
PS We (Milan) should stop being so kind-hearted in some matters; Serginho should have already gone since last season ended and Cafu must certainly leave as soon as we buy (IF ...  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) ) a replacement!!!!
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I under stood what you where saying dst and the only thing I disagree with is Pirlo playing next to Kaka, we need him in that deep lying playmaker role, he is the one spraying the passes across the ground and changing from defence to attack, that's why he has Gattuso next to him to cover.

I think the christmas tree formation for next year is all but confirmed and I have no problem with that, infact I like it, if we get Crespo, we would have him Gila and Pippo to rotate in the loan striker position and all of them are great playing in that position.

It should be something like this.

---Rino--Pirlo--Seadorf/Foggia---

----------Kaka--Garcouff----------

-----Gila/Pippo/Crespo(if we get him)---

And I definately agree with you on the defence situation, Kaladze only seemed like he was playing great because Nesta made him look good. Serginho even though he is old he is still able to cut it, he had a great season last year, the only thingt he lacks is defensive abilities that's why he shouldn't play as a full back but play in his original position which is a winger. Anyway the left is not our big problem because we have Janku there he was very solid and played great in the world cup and also when he played with us last season.

The right back position however is our biggest problem, if we can't even manage to get Oddo I don't know what we are going to do because Cafu simply can't cut it anymore, and Simic is laughable I don't even know why he is in our team.

We also need a good CB, if Maldini can play how he played in the beginning of last season then I say we have this part covered but we should still try to get some young blood and the only option I can see right now is Barzagli, he is solid and is young and still has time to improve.
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post Jul 21 2006, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 21 2006, 11:18 PM)
I under stood what you where saying dst and the only thing I disagree with is Pirlo playing next to Kaka, we need him in that deep lying playmaker role, he is the one spraying the passes across the ground and changing from defence to attack, that's why he has Gattuso next to him to cover.
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Yeah yeah I agree my mistake, Pirlo should play like he did with Italy I just had in my mind that he shouldn't play as DMF anymore cause he's not such!!!! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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First thing I want to say is, it just won't happen that we'll play an entire season with just one striker, just won't happen. Besides the fact I hate that lame teams that only play with one real striker, and I hate it much more that it seems that most european top teams tend to play that system Silvio Berlusconi won't allow it. Don't you remember that he said "Only communists play defensive football!" And we all know Silvio is not a communist (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Besides that fact I also think we should buy some new guys for our defence. It's a wonder we've done so well in the CL the last years... Maldini is not a problem as long as he's not injured, so is Billy. But you know in your late 30ies and early 40ies players tend to get injured much more often. Maldini still has the fitness of a 20 year old, but he has 20 years of proffesional football in his bones, and because of that these bones tend to break sometimes...
Which should alert us much more are our wing defenders... none of them is good enough for Milan.
Cafu once was the best, but this year showed he's far too old.
So is Serginho...
Janku just hasn't the class.
Simic? No way!!!
Same for Favalli....


We should definetely bring in Oddo or Miguel for the right side ( I'd prefer Oddo...)
There are little options for the left side, regarding the fact almost all good left backs won't be sold or are already transfered ( Zambrotta, Lahm..). I guess the best options would be Vicente ( I know he's more a midfielder, but I guess so is Serginho, and he became a good left back, didn't he?) or del Horno ( Chelsea wants to get rid of him...).
I'm also damn sure we need another striker, Gila and pippo are just not enough for an entire season, and Amoroso won't be proper sub for both. We'd need some good striker. Torres, Tevez, Villa, Drogba or Crespo.
I think our midfield is fine. We don't need no Mascherano or Diarra. gattuso is a great DM, Pirlo is number "10", that's sure, but he's also a good DM. And it's a good decision by Ance to let him play this position, couldn't be any better for our game. You can't let him play alongside with Kaká, two great midfielders with the same designation, it just wouldn't work...
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