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Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 28 2012, 09:47 PM

Massive improvement needed this weekend.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 28 2012, 10:01 PM

Nice thread starter kurt. But I fail to see where the improvement will come from at this point...

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 28 2012, 11:10 PM

I think we should try a 4-2-3-1 formation here, as han suggested. However, the lack of a pure DM means we'll have to cope with Ambro, and that Nocerino will be left out. Here's my idea:

Obviously, if Nocerino could play as DM it'd be great, but I don't think he can pull that off.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Aug 29 2012, 08:22 AM

i really like the formation but who would be on the bench considering that pato and robinho are both injured

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Aug 29 2012, 09:16 AM

I think there will not be enough time to get the team trained in a new formation. We tried that whole false 9 thing last week with Boateng and it was supposed to work but flopped miserably. No one's fault. You cannot train the whole pre-season with one team, and then in the space of 3 weeks have the rug pulled from beneath you.

For better or worse, we seem at the moment to only have players who suit the 4-3-1-2. I'm going for the three points this time, and therefore a back to basics approach.


Abate---Mexes---Bonera---Antonini
----Urby----Montolivo----Nocerino
-------------Boateng--------------
----Bojan----------Pazzini--------

Bench: Yepes, Zapata, De Sciglio, El Sharaawy, Flamini


I'm not sure if Bojan is comfortable on the right, though I know his left is his stronger foot. Urby is my only un-orthodox position, but I'm hoping Abate and Urby on the right together, will create a quick counter combo. While he can always switch with Boateng during gameplay

Pazzini needs to play for obvious reasons, and therefore Urby as well, since he is the only one in the team capable of crossing.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 29 2012, 10:28 AM

I'd stick with the 4-3-1-2 for the reasons Jack mentioned, but I'd play El Shaarawy as an attacking trequartista. It's clear that without Ibra now Boateng can't shine anymore and he needs to get back to play as box to box midfielder. So I'd go with this:

De Sciglio for the crosses.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 29 2012, 11:25 AM

Bonera ahead of Yepes???

Posted by: han2503 Aug 29 2012, 11:39 AM

Mexes and Zapata should start in the defence. Bonera and Yepes are walking errors

Posted by: CHU-LIP Aug 29 2012, 11:41 AM

I'd also start Mexes and Zapata. At times Yepes too. Bonera, even when good in pre-season, shows immediatly his liability again. Shame...

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 29 2012, 02:00 PM

Naah, Bonera is just plain awful. There were a lot of guys we used to criticize here at MF on and on - Kaladze, Pancaro, Favalli, Zambrotta - to name a few. Well, all of them are better then Bonera.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 29 2012, 03:56 PM

Pretty much. Don't think I'll forget that Udinese 4-4 game, thanks Bonera.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 29 2012, 04:02 PM

Or maybe his match against United in the Leonardo era?

Posted by: Zed.D Aug 29 2012, 04:26 PM

Poor Bonera, what has he ever done except always keeping his mouth shut and accepting bench role? he's stayed at Milan for days like this, so I'd say he's earned his place in XI. he will be back on bench the moment better players will be available.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Aug 29 2012, 05:24 PM

Better players are avilable though aren't they?

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 29 2012, 05:26 PM

What??

So after all these Favalli/Zambrotta/... bashing's this is what you come up with? Now really, I find it hard to find a veteran who's always behaved nicely (well, except Zee ) no matter if he was benched or played right up front. I also remember this argument didn't pop up until now. Why the sudden change in approach?

Posted by: Zed.D Aug 29 2012, 05:51 PM

I've always defended Bonera. he's not a very good defender and normally shouldn't be a starter. but he's one of the better squad players I can think of. always quite, and ready to cover. I find it hard to complain about him. it's not his fault he gets picked to play for one reason or another.

I don't know, you tell me. I thought Mexes wasn't ready, Acerbi needed time to warm up his diesel engine, etc.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 29 2012, 06:25 PM

Zapata?

Posted by: Zed.D Aug 29 2012, 07:47 PM

I don't know, man. we've played only 1 game so far. isn't it too soon to make assumptions about who's gonna be a starters and who isn't? we've signed Zapata for a reason, maybe he wasn't ready to start against Samp.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 29 2012, 09:48 PM

The same logic was applied for Taiwo...but yes, it's too early. Thing it, Bonera should be our last resort.

Posted by: maldini03 Aug 31 2012, 01:33 AM

I rated Zapata quite highly when he was playing in Udine. He was considered a good prospect, and I think that one of the starting positions should be his to lose. I know Acerbi is slow, but I think when paired with a cb with speed he could be effective ( think Mertesacker at Arsenal).

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2012, 01:59 PM

Called-up players:

32.Abbiati, 1.Amelia, 59.Gabriel, 13.Acerbi, 77.Antonini, 25.Bonera, 2.De Sciglio, 15.Mesbah, 76.Yepes, 17.Zapata, 23.Ambrosini, 10.Boateng, 21.Constant, 34.De Jong, 28.Emanuelson, 16.Flamini, 18.Montolivo, 8.Nocerino, 12.Traorè, 22.Bojan, 92.El Shaarawy, 19.Niang, 11.Pazzini.

Posted by: han2503 Aug 31 2012, 02:05 PM

Still no Mexes and Abate... We really need those 2 back.

Allegri made it sound like the defence is a toss up between Bonera, Acerbi and Yepes. I find this ridiculous as none of those players are really good enough. He should put in Zapata and let him get as situated as possible. Messing around with the back 2 is just stupid. I hope that he doesn't continue playing these games when Mexes is back. We need stability above everything else.

I'd go with

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 31 2012, 02:07 PM

Allegri is saying that Bonera will start along side with Acerbi or Yepes in defence, while De Sciglio and Antonini will be on the wings. He says that De Jong will be in the bench, while Pazzini and El Shaarawy will lead the attack.

Basically we'll go with this:

Posted by: han2503 Aug 31 2012, 02:10 PM

That is not encouraging in the least!!

Bonera was the one who made the most mistakes against Samp, yet he's the sure starter

El Shaa needs a timeout. He's not doing his best out there I didn't feel like he had his head in it at all. Bojan will be able to drop deeper and help out Prince a bit more

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Aug 31 2012, 02:11 PM

Zapata has to start this one, no more Bonera jokes.

Yep, agreed.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Aug 31 2012, 02:14 PM

ALLEGRI: "Tomorrow Boateng will be the trequartista, El Shaarawy and Pazzini will play upfront. Boateng's conditions are growing, but it's normal because if the striker changes, he also has to change. I still have my doubts on who to start tomorrow vs Bologna in the defense. They did well vs Bologna, but we must improve. Acerbi played 15 games the past season at Chievo and he may play tomorrow. He's a young player and could make mistakes. Bonera will start tomorrow, he'll play with either Yepes or Acerbi, I have not yet decided. De Jong will travel with the team to Bologna, he'll be on the bench and will come up during the game. Bojan can play as the first striker, even if he doesn't has the physic. The midfielders will attack a lot. De Sciglio will start tomorrow, Zapata and Acerbi must grow. At the moment, it'll be Antonini who will start in the left flank."

Posted by: acid911 Aug 31 2012, 02:18 PM

Are you talking to Allegeri?! If yes, then he sure ain't listening. Everybody knows how stubborn Allegri is, particularly with new players. Maybe he thinks they need time to adjust, but unless your name is Ibra, you sure as hell will struggle to start if you are new.

Posted by: X-Offender Aug 31 2012, 02:18 PM

Still no Zapata...

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2012, 03:15 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXuucN38wAE&feature=g-u-u

That Milan...

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 03:19 PM

What a team that was!

Maldini, Nesta, Pirlo, Seedorf, Rino, Sheva, Kaka, Serginho, Cafu, Dida, Pippo, JDT, Rui, etc, etc. All at their best

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 1 2012, 03:25 PM

That is a complete different team..........

Pippo at the 0-2

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2012, 05:07 PM

Just noticed, Boateng could be the only foreign player for us tonight against Bologna.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2012, 05:35 PM

How so? Surely one of Zapata, Mexes, Emanuelson, de Jong or Krkić will play...no?

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 05:39 PM

Yeah, CB + Boateng will be our 2 foreigners, at least.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Sep 1 2012, 05:40 PM

Not if Acerbi and Bonera partner in defense and Ambrosini starts.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 1 2012, 05:40 PM

Nigel de Jong and Bojan Krkic, as new signings, are likely to start on the bench and sub in. Mexes is not selected for the match against Bologna, appears not fit enough, plays with Primavera I think. Wouldn't be the first time Emanuelson won't start, if Ambrosini starts, then him with Nocerino and Montolivo are all Italian. Pazzini and El Shaarawy up front, while Robinho is injured. Our first three fullbacks are Italian. Our first two goalkeepers are two. Acerbi and Bonera could start I guess, but Yepes and Zapata I rather see.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2012, 05:54 PM

I don't think Allegri will bench Yepes for Acerbi. He's a Diesel.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2012, 06:01 PM

http://www.canalemilan.it/ said that sources inside the club confirmed Acerbi will play instead of Yepes.

Probable line-up: Abbiati; De Sciglio, Bonera, Acerbi, Antonini; Ambrosini, Montolivo, Nocerino; Boateng; El Shaarawy, Pazzini.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2012, 06:09 PM

Brace yourself. This will be a real joy.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 1 2012, 06:57 PM

this is the line-up i have got on my phone app as well

Posted by: milanbuf88 Sep 1 2012, 07:18 PM

Anyone have a potential stream? For some reason FSC has stopped showing Serie A in the US.

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 1 2012, 07:40 PM

10 Italians starting.

Posted by: TheOgre Sep 1 2012, 07:44 PM

anyone got a good sopcast

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 08:00 PM

Boateng trying everything he can right now. Only player of note

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 08:01 PM

PENALTY!

Nice play Pazzini

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2012, 08:01 PM

PENALTY!

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 08:02 PM

PAZZZOOOOOOO!!!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 08:02 PM

Blatant penalty, how can he argue that!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2012, 08:02 PM

Pazzini scores his first goal

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 08:07 PM

Very Ibra like the way he smashed it into that right side

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 08:08 PM

What a penalty that was.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 08:08 PM

My my my. What a tackle from De Sciglio

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 08:11 PM

Impressed by Acerbi so far as well.

What I'm not impressed by is the composition of our midfield. It looks like Monto and Nocerino are miles apart from Ambro. They need to get tighter. Keep the ball better

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 08:13 PM

Good effort from Pazzini.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 08:13 PM

This guy really sprinkling the yellows!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 08:13 PM

Ambro takes a yellow card for the team. Terrible from Noce.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2012, 08:14 PM

What a bad pass by Nocerino.

Four yellow cards so far; smells like red soon.

Posted by: rip Sep 1 2012, 08:15 PM

diamanti.is playing very well. he cud hav been a good adifion to our club

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 08:17 PM

Noce having a bit of a mare.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 08:26 PM

Monto with a problem. If this is serious we're f@cked

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 08:26 PM

NdJ on

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 08:27 PM

Pen for Bologna...

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 08:27 PM

1-1...

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 08:27 PM

De Jong's on the pitch for 2 seconds and we give away a penalty (unrelated, I know)

Nocerino having an awful game.

Posted by: William405 Sep 1 2012, 08:28 PM

What a stupid way to concede...

Posted by: William405 Sep 1 2012, 08:28 PM

Acerbi is pretty good.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 08:32 PM

HT

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 08:34 PM

We look so devoid of ideas going forward, I don't know where we can get a goal to win this

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 1 2012, 08:34 PM

We badly need Urby and Robinho (and of course Pato) back. we're absolutely clueless in attack.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 1 2012, 08:36 PM

When Montolivo was off, we were with 10 for a short while, Bologna got dangerous, and then Nigel subs in, and not much later Nocerino is being dumb.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 1 2012, 08:36 PM

True +1 wonder how we can change things rite now

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 1 2012, 08:36 PM

Dp

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 1 2012, 08:36 PM

So, Monto out probably for a month. great. our players falling down like autumn leaves...

Talking about that sliding tackle, or something else?

Posted by: Ry4n Sep 1 2012, 08:37 PM

Someone is going to get red carded next half everyone just needs to calm down and focus.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 1 2012, 08:37 PM

+1,000

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 1 2012, 08:38 PM

Really? Out for a month? When I saw him on the bench, I thought ''typical, first day since transfer window is closed, our only playmaker may gets a serious injury'' - now we will see how much we could use Aquilani, Merkel, ..., ...

Posted by: d'Arc.LP Sep 1 2012, 08:40 PM

So Montolivo is injured... My guess on how things will go for him now.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 08:40 PM

This is frustrating. If the players just played their normal game we'd be fine. Seems like there always has to be big mistakes though.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2012, 08:41 PM

Absolutely. More than the defensive mistakes, more than the midfield organization, what we really stink in is attacking. Completely devoid of any ideas, slow and predictable. Any team would have a breeze defending from us. If Allegri doesn't change something through the course of this season, then we're screwed.

Oh, and Nocerino is having one hell of a stinker.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 1 2012, 08:42 PM

I don't know... it looked like a thigh strain. 3 weeks minimum, right? thanks to Pato we've become very educated in football injuries.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2012, 08:44 PM

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 1 2012, 08:44 PM

I don't know whether I should laugh or cry. it's that true!

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2012, 08:45 PM

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2012, 08:46 PM

Like han said, I can't see how we can score in this one. We have zero creativity. Our fullbacks our sitting this match out, the midfield is too defensive while Boateng just shoots the ball around. El Shaarawy. who should be a connection between attack and midfield, once again disappeared.

We need changes, don't know why Allegri decided to put in de Jong.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2012, 08:48 PM

Remove Ambrosini and play Emanuelson. Bojan for El Shaarawy, too

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 08:48 PM

Give the ball to Pazzini in the box, it's that simple. Good thing we didn't sign any creative midfield players though, God forbid we score goals, eh Silvio, Galliani?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 08:51 PM

Defence falling apart as well now.

Bologna could have scored 3 times by now, aside from the penalty. While we haven't created a clear cut chance

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 08:55 PM

Superb from Antonini.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 09:00 PM

De Jong saved by Bonera. Sounds about right.

Posted by: William405 Sep 1 2012, 09:04 PM

Gila in.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 09:08 PM

Has Max forgotten that there is no Ibra on the pitch to save his @ss??!!!

Make a change FFS!!!

Posted by: William405 Sep 1 2012, 09:10 PM

Bojan in!

Posted by: milanbuf88 Sep 1 2012, 09:10 PM

Bojan in for El Shaarawy


Aaaand now De Jong's first yellow...

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2012, 09:12 PM

I can't watch this Milan anymore...

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 09:16 PM

Every setpiece they had, they managed to get a player on the end of it. If their finishing wasn't sh!tty they would have buried us by now

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2012, 09:17 PM

Imagine us playing against Madrid...

Oh wait, we did... 5-1.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 09:20 PM

PAZZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2012, 09:20 PM

Pazzini!!!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 09:20 PM

PAZZO!

Posted by: William405 Sep 1 2012, 09:21 PM

PAAAAAAAAAAAAAZINIIIII!!!!!

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 09:21 PM

What a spill from their keeper. Now keep it tight and get those 3 points

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2012, 09:21 PM

An inexistent penalty and a goalie mistake. We're scudetto challengers!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 09:23 PM

It was a foul. You can't push someone like that, then pull them back. It ended in a dive, but it was a penalty long before he even went to the floor.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Sep 1 2012, 09:23 PM

Pazziniiiiii

What a gift. We need to close this one down and work on improving for the next game

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2012, 09:24 PM

No, it was Pazzini who was pulling the Bologna player from the start. It should have been a foul for Bologna.

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 09:28 PM

HATTRICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 1 2012, 09:28 PM

Hatrick wow

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 09:28 PM

PAZ-TRICK!

Posted by: William405 Sep 1 2012, 09:28 PM

HATTTTTRICK!!!

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 09:30 PM

De jong has definately put a spring in the step of the midfield. His passing has gotten the other mids into it, Ambro was definately not doing that in the first half, which shows how much have a really strong DM option is pivotal in Allegri's sytem.

Bojan also has brought a lot of movement upfront which has made it easier for Pazzini

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 09:30 PM

I disagree, he was trying to get around the Bologna player, he eventually did and got pulled back.

Posted by: milanbuf88 Sep 1 2012, 09:31 PM

Pazziniiiiii for 3!!!!

Hell of a play by De Sciglio to start that whole move off

Posted by: milanbuf88 Sep 1 2012, 09:35 PM

Niang in for Pazzo

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 09:36 PM

Actually it was De Jong who initially started the move with a very nice pass. De Sciglio made very good use of it though

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 09:37 PM

Pazzini, true poacher.

I agree with the commentator, Pazzini will take the leadlines but Ambro and the defense were mostly oustanding.

Posted by: Ry4n Sep 1 2012, 09:37 PM

Not a convincing performance but a win is a win grats on the hatrick Pazzo !

Posted by: Bluesummers Sep 1 2012, 09:39 PM

I was impressed by de Scigilo, when abate comes back we should put him at left back. quality talent.

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 1 2012, 09:40 PM

Not the best performance but the result shiuld boost a lot of confidence

Posted by: milanbuf88 Sep 1 2012, 09:44 PM

Which one do you want on the left?

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 09:44 PM

I really didn't see what was outstanding about either the defence or Ambro.

True, individually no one made any mistakes, but collectively... it was a mess imo. Bologna could have buried us today if their finishing was half decent. We were getting carved out easily. And that happens when the collective isn't functioning properly.

Imo Ambro was the problem in terms of the midfield not connecting with either the defence of the attack imo. He was not linking the play as the DM in Allegri's system is required to do. Nocerino and Monto looked like they were floating out wide on the wing, when they should be narrow, it's not so strange that Nocerino got his act together once De Jong got into the game. You might hate the guy and think him mediocre but he's not. He's a classy player on the ball and that was clear to see.

If Monto is not out long term, I think we could really see thing start to click into place for the midfield now.

Also, a shout out for Bojan who imo made the difference when he came on. His movement really cleared up space for Pazzini, plus him and Boateng were linking up nicely as well.

Some other sidenotes:
Boateng really needs to start considering passing option before he shoots. Sure last season it was great watching him smash them but this season we can afford to be in good position and him always choosing the shooting option.

Acerbi looked good

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 09:45 PM

Agreed, and he's young enough that it will be easier to adapt. However, his crossing with his right foot is exceptional, he creates problem with every cross

Posted by: William405 Sep 1 2012, 09:45 PM

Finally we got our 3 points!I saw some positives..and negatives there.First, I just hope Bonera won't be our starting CB for this season..I'm really scared for the possibility of that happening.Acerbi looked pretty good imo, he'll be a good option for CB.Pazzini is a true poacher..!He'll be of good use.Sucks to see Monto getting injured..cause I can easily see Allegri using De Jong + Ambro as a mid...Nocerino was awful btw, what the hell happened to him?

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 1 2012, 09:46 PM

except for Bonera

Antonini, Ambrosini and De Sciglio were very good today. Acerbi was good too.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 09:51 PM

Your Ambro hatred never surprised me. He was absolutely brilliant, didn't put a foot wrong. Even took a yellow for the team after Nocerino's mare of a pass. True captain.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 1 2012, 09:52 PM

+infinity.


He needs to foul less, and take more risks when an opponent approaches him instead of making a backpass. other than that, awesome talent! I'm a fan already. he's so cool and relaxed and his crosses/corner kicks in particular are awesome. Abate can't cross like this at all; what's the use of a fullback who can't cross? De Sciglio must be a starter, I don't care on which side.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 1 2012, 10:01 PM

I know this is unorthodox but this actually gives me an idea, in that we have genuine wingers in Urby and Abate.


De Sciglio---CB---CB---Antonini
---Montolivo---DJ--------------
--Abate----Boateng----Urby---
------Pazzini-----------------

Of course we will never play something like this.

Didn't watch the match, anyone willing to give me match ratings?

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 1 2012, 10:07 PM

+1


+1


De Scigilo on the left.




EDIT: Well done Pazzo!

Posted by: drucurl Sep 1 2012, 10:10 PM

I'm often accused of not giving $h!tlegri his credit when Milan succeeds.

I'd just like to say that inspite of the win we were CRAP. Had the goalkeeper not dropped the ball and Pazzani been able to score we might have only had one point or worse. It was rather fortuitous and I'm not complaining just really really sad at the lack of quality in our team from the management go down.

That De Sciglio kid is something though huh?

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 1 2012, 10:14 PM

But. Abate. Cant. Cross!! he really is not much of a threat. I'd rather we stay the way we are.

My ratings (out of 4):


De Sciglio: 3
Acerbi: 3
Bonera: 2
Antonini: 3
Ambro: 2.5
Montolivo: 3
De Jong: 2.5
Noceino: 1.5
Prince: 2.5
Pazzini: 4
Bojan: 2
El Sha: 1.5

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 10:18 PM

You missed part of my post. I said that individually, everyone was good and made no mistakes. It doesn't matter if he did not put a foot wrong when he was on the ball, but in terms of cohesion, link ups, etc, neither Ambro nor the defence was any good.

They need to work on this.

In fact it's not even an Ambro thing, how a team performs collectively does not depend on any individual, but on someone else who shall not be named

Posted by: han2503 Sep 1 2012, 10:20 PM

Abate can't cross, but in terms of overall play on the wing, he's still better than De Sciglio. Imo, he should be moved to the left - permanently - he's young and will easily adapt.

Paolo Maldini was right footed






That's a joke btw so pls don't jump on me for comparing DS to Paolo

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 10:21 PM

Abate can't cross, he'd be no use as a winger.



Abbiati - 6

De Sciglio - 7
Bonera - 6
Acerbi - 7
Antonini - 7

Ambrosini - 7.5
Montolivo - 6
Nocerino - 5
Boateng - 5.5

El Shaarawy - 5.5
Pazzini - 9

De Jong - 6
Bojan - 6
Niang N/A

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 1 2012, 10:21 PM

Remember we're missing: Mexes, Zapata, Robinho, Pato and now Monto. for a team so void of quality, that is a lot. and half of our problem is psychological. emember how good we looked in our friendlies before the Madrid game? our goals were nothing short of brilliant to be honest. that was a group who believed they could win. then we faced Madrid in an unnecessary friendly and they crushed all of that self confidence (we still scored another brilliant goal). I think Allegri is the least of our problems. injuries, and confidence. those are the areas we need to improve in for now.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2012, 10:23 PM

LOL

This was a blatant penalty, I don't know what you're talking about. I saw it, the TV commentator as well, and everyone here.


Agree with you on Boateng and Acerbi. But Ambrosini...he did very well. He was defensively a rock, always there to shield and help. He worked with and without the ball. De Jong passes were mostly misplaced and lacked precision; Ambrosini had some mistakes, but he did allover very well. How can you blame him for not connecting with the attack? He made better (offensive) passes then Nocerino?

And Nocerino got his act together because at half time Max probably yelled.


It's not hatred, it's bias. Juventus and Ambrosini are two small black spots that make our penguin less perfect

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2012, 10:24 PM

Fully agree with you.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 1 2012, 10:27 PM

If you mean in running at the speed of a cheetah with his eyes closed and without any purpose, yes, Abate is better than DS.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 1 2012, 10:43 PM

Abbiati - 6

De Sciglio - 8
Bonera - 5
Acerbi - 7
Antonini - 8

Ambrosini - 8
Montolivo - N/A
Nocerino - 4
Boateng - 5

El Shaarawy - 5
Pazzini - 9

De Jong - 6
Bojan - N/A
Niang - N/A

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 1 2012, 10:47 PM

Does someone want to open a Man of the Match poll after every game? I thought it would be interesting and we could use the results over the season to have an 'official' Milanfan Player of the Season.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 1 2012, 10:49 PM

^^ Good idea kurt.

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Everyone giving Ambro good ratings. I think I missed something (no sarcasm, I mean it!).

I always criticize Luca for being average and all that. but there are times when he surpasses his own level and plays a great game. tonight was one of those times. also back in Dinho's days, he used to play well and link up nicely with Dinho from time to time.

That said, I still think we need better than him.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 1 2012, 10:53 PM

Agreed.

I already felt the inside of me yelling for a PK before Pazzini hit the floor.

Plus, he easily could have been out of balance, despite going down dive-ish.

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 1 2012, 11:08 PM

Awesome idea. Take a bow!!


Fully agreed. Start to finish (I remember as I was watching the game and seeing his runs, I instantly recalled the said 'link-ups' with Dinho). I would also prefer someone much more solid for the LB, but I think we will just have to hope he has many more these type of games for the time being.


QFT

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2012, 11:08 PM

I'll do it, just give me some time, I'm in a middle of something right now..

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 1 2012, 11:09 PM

Not everyone, just me and Kurt, don't you know that we are quite unreliable

Posted by: TriniKing_CE Sep 1 2012, 11:11 PM

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 1 2012, 11:50 PM

Well, both Gazzetta and Sportmediaset seem to agree with me, in that "it was a very generous penalty, as there was an obvious foul from Pazzini at first". But hey, suit yourselves. I'm just happy we won.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 2 2012, 12:14 AM

http://youtu.be/ttEo0Qa0q7M?t=1m1s

Look closely at how Pazzini pulls the shirt of the Bologna defender, and then accentuates his fall.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 2 2012, 12:17 AM

You're absolutely right.

Posted by: CHU-LIP Sep 2 2012, 12:18 AM

wait a minute.... you're onto something

damn he fooled us/me

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 2 2012, 02:33 AM

X-Off, you cool mofo

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 2 2012, 06:53 AM

That was 100% a penalty. especially from the angle you posted it, X-Off. players always pull each other's shirts in challenges like this. but clearly the Bologna player was pushing Pazzini with his while body to another direction. how can you not see?

I guess he could've stayed on his feet in the end and if he'd hesitated a bit more it would have looked like a Gila-Celtic dive. but he went down the right down and landed on the ball which made it look like a valid penalty. but as kurt said (though he's changed his mind) it was a penalty before the dive.

But who cares... whatever.

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 2 2012, 07:09 AM

You know Pazzini really saved our asses out there today...

Any news on Montolivo yet?

Posted by: CrazyMilanFan Sep 2 2012, 08:05 AM

hamstring.. usually 3 weeks. with milan lab could be 3 months

Posted by: xcube Sep 2 2012, 08:09 AM

Well i guess motolivo was the key for the match fast player, building a fast counter attack.

I guess Nochorino was the weakest link in the game! he need some improvement

Posted by: han2503 Sep 2 2012, 10:58 AM

Nocerino will be finding it a bit difficuilt to adapt again, the system is different from what it was last season, there's no one punting balls at Ibra while he makes late runs into the box which were usuall spotted by Ibra.

That being said, he did have a nightmare out there, bad passing is not excusable.

I think all of our players needed this win so they could regroup, find their footing and their confidence back after that disaster against Real.

I really hate the fact that they schedule the international fixtures when they do, it will ruin any rythm that has been achieved with players having to go with their national teams. Although it's a bit of a blessing since Monto will only miss 1 game.

Posted by: Danny Sep 2 2012, 11:09 AM

A bright purposeful start, where we looked intent and had far more endeavour about us than last week. The cutting edge wasn't terrific and we were fortunate to take the lead because as far as soft penalties go, it was a sponge. Yes he was fouled, and yes he had the right to go down, but going down AFTER the foul is manipulation of the game's rules to breaking point.

Bologna battled well to get back into it, and deserved their equaliser.

And our two subsequent goals were a combination of fortune and smart finishing.

We got lucky in this game, and Pazzini is proving me, Kurt and whoever the other one was right.

Points to note:

1: Bonera actually had a much better game than I'd have expected.
2: De Jong, despite a couple of errors, was composed and used the ball well - not bad for a debut in an alien league thrown in unexpectedly. I think he'll prove to be a very shrewd purchase.
3: Monto continued to struggle - messy play and not proving very creative so far.
4: Bojan had little impact. The game was too physical for him.
5: Pazzini did everything and more. Great night for him and couldn't be more pleased.

Posted by: Danny Sep 2 2012, 11:10 AM

Agree with half, disagree with the other.

Posted by: dst Sep 2 2012, 11:59 AM

That was 0% a penalty, especially from that angle! No, really...

Don't you guys find that very Pippo-like? The pulling and making it look like you're pulled thing, that was Pippo's craft.

Posted by: il_diavolo_mtl Sep 2 2012, 12:03 PM

For next game i say we go with



Pazzini - Bojan

Boateng

Constant - De Jong - Emanuelson

Antonini - Acerbi - Zapata - De Sciglio

Posted by: han2503 Sep 2 2012, 12:06 PM

Nocerino instead of Constant

Yes he had a reeeaaally bad first half, but he got his act together in the second. We can't give up on one of our best performers from last season because of a bad half. We need consistancy in that midfield. Keeping the same 11 for a good run of games is imperative right now

Posted by: dst Sep 2 2012, 12:06 PM

Pazzini can handle things on his own, he don't need those other guys!

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 2 2012, 01:57 PM

Exactly. So what if our team has no creative playmakers. Pazzo can get assists from the opponent. Pazzo's got swag.

P.S: How come kurt has not ordered his Pazzo jersey yet?!

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 2 2012, 02:10 PM

Read the Pazzini thread. He has

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 2 2012, 02:44 PM

Hehe, very true. Only Pippo could invent a penalty like that out of nowhere, and it looks like Pazzini has mastered his craft well.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 2 2012, 06:11 PM

It was a penalty, because Pazzini was fouled, it's just that it should've been a free kick first. On not giving the free kick, the penalty was tecnically the correct decision.

Posted by: Fillipo Simone Sep 2 2012, 06:13 PM

Exactly.

Posted by: Jack Bauer Sep 2 2012, 06:29 PM

Right now the most important thing is to collect points, I'm less concerned with how we do it at the moment as the team gels on the run because of so many changes and adding players later on. Yesterday we had two players playing significant minutes after only few days with the team. Allegri has a lot of work to do.

Posted by: dst Sep 2 2012, 11:58 PM

i don't think he was fouled.

Posted by: X-Offender Sep 3 2012, 12:54 AM

Me either.

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 3 2012, 01:11 AM

This is not allowed, it's a foul. The only arguement (after not giving Bologna the free kick) is whether it should be a red card since clearly Pazzini is in on goal.

Posted by: Zed.D Sep 3 2012, 08:42 AM

I think it should be me neither . and yes, HE WAS FOULED.

Posted by: m1ke Sep 3 2012, 08:56 AM

Was his shirt pulled in the box? Yes. Did he go down easily? Yes. Could he have stayed on his feet? Probably. Was it a penalty. Yes!

Obviously I'd be pretty annoyed if this was given against us, but the defender knew what he was doing. He's always running a risk by doing that. As an attacker, if the opposition defender fouls you, and you're in a worse position because of it, but you could stay on your feet - is it a dive if you go to ground anyway to get a penalty?

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 3 2012, 11:07 AM

In my view it is a dive and I don't appreciate it. Though I have liked players who do that. As far as I remember Sheva never did, and I loved that about him. Not going down that road doesn't make a you a less lethal player, it just makes you a different type of player.

Posted by: rip Sep 3 2012, 11:40 AM

The pic above is only showing part of wat happned. Pazzini pulled the defenders shirt first. so it should have been a foul. but for some reason ref thought it was not. next moment ref sees the defender pulling pazzinis shirt and pazzini going down. he concluded it as a penalty.

Posted by: dst Sep 3 2012, 12:27 PM

Both pulled each other's shirts so you can't just give one the foul. I don't think it should have been a red card either. I don't like it that a red card is given when it's a penalty. If it's a last man foul outside the box it should be a red card. But in the box? I mean, the penalty is already almost a goal, why punish the team with a red card too? I know it's a rule, I'm saying it's a stupid rule.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 3 2012, 12:30 PM

Maybe so that you avoid the advent of a 'tactical' red card.

Posted by: dst Sep 3 2012, 12:38 PM

What do you mean?

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 3 2012, 12:48 PM

Nothing. I was just chatting you up. I needed attention. Can we go get coffee?

Posted by: dst Sep 3 2012, 01:18 PM

I have plans. Maybe some other time.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 3 2012, 03:49 PM

You slut!

Posted by: kurtsimonw Sep 3 2012, 06:26 PM

I think we re all in agreement that the correct overall decision is a Bologna free kick as Pazzini started the shirt pulling first. However, upon not giving the free kick as I'm assuming he didn't see Pazzini pull first, then the referee was technically correct in giving the penalty as he must've seen Pazzini have his shirt pulled. It's not a dive because Pazzini was fouled. If he doesn't go down, he may not get a penalty. Unfortunately in modern day football unless you end up on the floor a ref isn't likely to give a penalty, they encourage diving.

Posted by: dst Sep 3 2012, 06:29 PM

Listen, I've seen how you drool over Fay, I'm not gonna be your backup!

Posted by: han2503 Sep 3 2012, 06:59 PM

I personally don't see it as a wrong or right decision. It was a soft penalty, could have easily not been given but Pazzini played the ref very well, so in that instant I think the refhad to give it considering what he saw from the angle he was in.

Posted by: Jack Sparrow Sep 3 2012, 09:33 PM

Oh..it's like that is it? Have I ever complained about you and Scarlett Johansson?

Posted by: dst Sep 3 2012, 10:13 PM

That's true and so sad.


Scarlett was YOUR backup you idiot! *runs away in tears*

Posted by: KillerMax Sep 4 2012, 12:14 AM