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post Aug 30 2014, 01:50 PM
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Di Maria, Young, Mata, Valencia, Rooney and van Persie all in the same team. What happened to this "tactical genius" that van Gaal was meant to be? This is genuinely one of the least intelligent lineups I've ever seen by any club. An inexperienced back 3 who aren't used to playing in a back 3, a midfielder with no legs and 6 attackers. You wouldn't even get away with this on FIFA or FM, but the real World!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

If United continue to play like this, they might win the odd game - possibly even todays - but good sides will tear them to pieces.
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post Aug 30 2014, 02:14 PM
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Fletcher is United's Bonera.
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post Aug 30 2014, 02:39 PM
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Fletcher is in the team for sentimental reasons, it's nice of them but hardly going to win them anything. Valencia is one of the poorest wingers going, but because he works hard he gets in the team.

Di Maria did alright, clearly not fit. Mata is still pretty average, that season at Chelsea looks more & more like a one-off.

Moyes was tactically superior to be fair.
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post Aug 30 2014, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE (Milan Are Brilliant @ Aug 30 2014, 03:39 PM) *
Moyes was tactically superior to be fair.

Yeah, Moyes played a formation that fit the players and it didn't work. van Gaal is fitting a system that doesn't fit the players and doesn't work which is more unforgivable IMO.

2 shots on target for United today. 2. Against Burnley. With 6 attackers.
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post Aug 30 2014, 05:31 PM
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Kompany done for pace, again. Hart getting beat too easily, again. Not had the best 12 months this pair. Yet still won the league.

Costa, 1-0, 30 seconds.
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post Aug 30 2014, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 30 2014, 06:31 PM) *
Costa, 1-0, 30 seconds.

Loved how much the English media were calling him out before arriving because of Brazil, quite quiet on those predictions now aren't they (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Aug 30 2014, 06:12 PM
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I only saw a bit from the second half, but United were a mess. Their only weapons were long balls and crosses, most of which were off or easily defendable. And Van Gaal's formation, uh...
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post Aug 30 2014, 08:03 PM
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Scoring 6 past Everton who're historically defensively solid is a ridiculous achievement. Chelsea should win the league really.
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post Aug 30 2014, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 30 2014, 06:12 PM) *
I only saw a bit from the second half, but United were a mess. Their only weapons were long balls and crosses, most of which were off or easily defendable. And Van Gaal's formation, uh...

Yeah, they looked like Milan from last season, completely clueless. Only we didn't spend 120m on just 2 players in the squad.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 30 2014, 08:03 PM) *
Scoring 6 past Everton who're historically defensively solid is a ridiculous achievement. Chelsea should win the league really.

Didn't watch the game, but their squad is easily the most complete and balanced in the league. I think they'll make a serious push for the CL this season
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 30 2014, 09:46 PM) *
Didn't watch the game, but their squad is easily the most complete and balanced in the league. I think they'll make a serious push for the CL this season


That's what you get for making planned and well-thought signings instead of panic buys like United have done.
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post Aug 30 2014, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 30 2014, 09:50 PM) *
That's what you get for making planned and well-thought signings instead of panic buys like United have done.

Yeah, Jose obviously had a very clear idea of what he wanted this summer to make last season's team into the ideal 11.

Costa is a perfect fit there, Cesc also has slipped in seamlessly it seems
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post Aug 30 2014, 11:54 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 30 2014, 10:10 PM) *
Yeah, Jose obviously had a very clear idea of what he wanted this summer to make last season's team into the ideal 11.

Costa is a perfect fit there, Cesc also has slipped in seamlessly it seems


Cesc is perfect for the Premier League.
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post Aug 31 2014, 12:40 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 30 2014, 12:50 PM) *
Di Maria, Young, Mata, Valencia, Rooney and van Persie all in the same team. What happened to this "tactical genius" that van Gaal was meant to be? This is genuinely one of the least intelligent lineups I've ever seen by any club. An inexperienced back 3 who aren't used to playing in a back 3, a midfielder with no legs and 6 attackers. You wouldn't even get away with this on FIFA or FM, but the real World!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

If United continue to play like this, they might win the odd game - possibly even todays - but good sides will tear them to pieces.


In LVG's defence he said this before he even took the job:

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“Every club where I have been, I’ve struggled for the first three months,” said Van Gaal, speaking in Washington DC in a break from United’s US tour.

“After that, they [the players] know what I want – how I am as a human being and also a manager, because I am very direct.

“I say things as they are, so you have to adapt to that way of coaching. It’s not so easy.

"The way I train and coach is in the brains, not the legs. But the most important thing is they have to know why we do things. When they do, the footballer is not playing intuitively.

"A lot of players are playing intuitively and I want them to think and know why they do something. That process is difficult at first and in the first three months. It takes time.

“When we survive the first three months, it will be the same as for me as it was at Bayern Munich. At Bayern, after the first three months, we were sixth or seventh and we were third in our Champions League group.

"We had to win at Juventus and did – that was the turning point. Now United have me, a new manager, so new chances for the players. But we have to create a way of playing that isn’t the same as before, and that’s difficult for them.

“They have to perform under pressure and have a to decide [what to do with the ball] within one second, and that is not easy.”


So basically when Utd were coasting during pre-season he warned it would take at least 3 months before Utd would look decent.

So while they're horrible now, they won't be in December apparently, and will be borderline CL spot contenders. He also said they won't win the league this season.

And it's not like he hasn't handled big clubs - Barca and Bayern are massive.
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post Aug 31 2014, 12:48 AM
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It'll need to be quicker than that if he's gonna have even just a disappointing season (6th-7th). This isn't the Bundesliga where (when he was there) mid-high 60 points was enough to win the league. That won't even get you close to CL football nowadays in the EPL.

Realistically with money spent, winning the league is the minimum. But with it being his first season, just a title challenge should be accepted. Anything less and he should get the sack. You can't spend £200m on top of a pretty much the same squad that won the title no less than 2 years ago and not compete for the title.
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post Aug 31 2014, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 30 2014, 11:54 PM) *
Cesc is perfect for the Premier League.

Yep, I wonder why Barca went through all the hassle to sign him from Arsenal in the first place and then let him go relatively cheaply just 2 seasons later just to replace him with Rakitic...

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 31 2014, 12:48 AM) *
It'll need to be quicker than that if he's gonna have even just a disappointing season (6th-7th). This isn't the Bundesliga where (when he was there) mid-high 60 points was enough to win the league. That won't even get you close to CL football nowadays in the EPL.

Realistically with money spent, winning the league is the minimum. But with it being his first season, just a title challenge should be accepted. Anything less and he should get the sack. You can't spend £200m on top of a pretty much the same squad that won the title no less than 2 years ago and not compete for the title.

I was just about to reply to Danny with the same thing then I read what you said.

EPL isn't the Bundesliga where it's only Bayern (back when VG was coaching them), you can afford to start badly and still blitz through the entire league to win it. If he's still struggling by December in the EPL I can't see them getting into the top 4. The competition in that league is just ridiculous a couple of miss-steps and you're out of it
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