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Jul 16 2017, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 16 2017, 10:11 AM) As for Silva debate I am with Han on this one, you can just not judge a player, especially as young as him without giving him the opportunity. Look at Sokratis for example, the guy was a dud for us, now he is one of the best defenders in Germany. It is possible that a leauge suits a player and another doesnt, lets just hope Serie A fits Silva. Doesn't Sokratis actually weaken your case? Silva was average in Portugal, and you guys point to a dud who struggled at a bigger club than his previous one in Sokratis' case as evidence why Silva can succeed? And again, even your final sentence does you no favours. 'let's just hope Serie A fits Silva'? Really?! That's what I've been saying, and that I want to be wrong about him. Oddly enough to pour further cold water over your point, you're already judging him by questioning if Serie A is indeed suitable for him, as if there's doubt. In short, thanks for backing me up Darc (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jul 16 2017, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 16 2017, 01:08 PM) Doesn't Sokratis actually weaken your case? Silva was average in Portugal, and you guys point to a dud who struggled at a bigger club than his previous one in Sokratis' case as evidence why Silva can succeed? And again, even your final sentence does you no favours. 'let's just hope Serie A fits Silva'? Really?! That's what I've been saying, and that I want to be wrong about him. Oddly enough to pour further cold water over your point, you're already judging him by questioning if Serie A is indeed suitable for him, as if there's doubt. In short, thanks for backing me up Darc (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Not at all. As for Sokratis being related to Silva, just because a talent doesn't explode to your expetations in early 20s, doesnt mean he cant be good later. Your argument is that Silva WILL not suceed in Serie A, while I say he MIGHT not but he also might suceed as he has all the conditions to do so. I'd rather put my money in him suceeding than in not. Yes, that is a very important element, can't deny. Leagues are different from each other, while Serie A fitted for some, it was cruel for some others. Look at Crespo for example. Or all those Italian players who got outside Italy, it was a nightmare for them. Sheva being one of them too. Torres comes to mind too. So while I see that he has talent, I also hope Serie A fits him. I never said that he will 100% have sucess, no. But I think the chances are better for him to suceed than fail. But if you from the start say that he has 0% chances to suceed, that makes you judgmental, cos clearly he has potential. Sorry bud, but it's not my fault you didn't understand me.
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Jul 16 2017, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 16 2017, 11:08 AM) Doesn't Sokratis actually weaken your case? Silva was average in Portugal, and you guys point to a dud who struggled at a bigger club than his previous one in Sokratis' case as evidence why Silva can succeed? And again, even your final sentence does you no favours. 'let's just hope Serie A fits Silva'? Really?! That's what I've been saying, and that I want to be wrong about him. Oddly enough to pour further cold water over your point, you're already judging him by questioning if Serie A is indeed suitable for him, as if there's doubt. In short, thanks for backing me up Darc (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I don't think there's anyone who is 100% sure that he'll work out for us. There's always doubt with a new signing, especially when he's so young and changing leagues. But there's a huge difference between hoping that he turns into a hit and having some doubts and the absolute conclusion you've come to about him not being good enough I think that's the main point of contention here
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Jul 16 2017, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jul 16 2017, 11:54 AM) Not at all.
As for Sokratis being related to Silva, just because a talent doesn't explode to your expetations in early 20s, doesnt mean he cant be good later. Your argument is that Silva WILL not suceed in Serie A, while I say he MIGHT not but he also might suceed as he has all the conditions to do so. I'd rather put my money in him suceeding than in not. Sokratis was 24 at Milan. Hardly a noob. Older than Romagnoli. He just wasn't good enough for Milan and is good enough for a smaller club. Which Dortmund are, bar their actual attendances. And in today's environment, sorry, but if you're not doing it at 21 for a big club you never will. Niang is a great example. 5 years and he sucked at Milan but was good at Genoa and Watford. Sums it up. And Silva was merely above average at Porto. That club has produced much much much better players than him and sold them for less. QUOTE Yes, that is a very important element, can't deny. Leagues are different from each other, while Serie A fitted for some, it was cruel for some others. Look at Crespo for example. Or all those Italian players who got outside Italy, it was a nightmare for them. Sheva being one of them too. Sheva destroyed Ukraine with ease. Chelsea didn't give him the platform to succeed. And didn't Crespo also get wasted at Chelsea? He was great everywhere BAR Chelsea. Same with Sheva. QUOTE Torres comes to mind too. Nah, Torres was ruined by injury. He was sensational at Madrid, even better at Liverpool, got injured and was never the same again. After all, he succeeded at Pool then failed at Chelsea. Same league. QUOTE So while I see that he has talent, I also hope Serie A fits him. I never said that he will 100% have sucess, no. But I think the chances are better for him to suceed than fail. But if you from the start say that he has 0% chances to suceed, that makes you judgmental, cos clearly he has potential. I didn't (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) QUOTE Sorry bud, but it's not my fault you didn't understand me. Seems to go both ways with you and I.
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Jul 16 2017, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 16 2017, 02:43 PM) Apparently you lot can't understand me either. My argument is not the absolute conclusion of anything. My point is nothing points to his success here. I am not prosecuting him to failure, I'm just saying there's no evidence to show he can succeed.
I see nothing about him which shows him bringing more than what we have. Bacca's a more talented finisher, Suso's as good for creativity, and if there is one thing lacking it's a second striker. But then we probably won't be playing that system so it's a moot point. I can't see him scoring lots of goals as a striker, and I can't see him fitting in ahead of Suso/Calhonoglu/Jack/Kessie. Bacca might be a better finisher but he's useless at everything else, Suso is a winger, so you can't really compare. Silva is an all-round striker, he can do it all. Whether his finishing will improve is up for debate. His record with his NT and CL are good imo. Also, if we play with a 3-5-2, he'll be challenging Suso and Hakan imo, I think Bona will be a starter. We'll see, I think the fact that they're definitely looking at marquee strikers (as also confirmed by Fassone today) shows that they know they have to give him time to settle in and are not going to load onto him the responsibility of being the starting striker in the side that would lead the attack alone Anyway, can we revisit this topic in say 2 to 3 months? I think it's pointless to discuss when we all know very little about him QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 15 2017, 12:47 PM) @ x-off, yeah, we'll definitely try to get 50 to 60m at least for the Bacca + Niang + De Sciglio sales. Atm, I'm estimating we have something along the lines of 40m left in the piggy bank. If we sell those 3 then I'm expecting a big signing in attack and one mid-level in midfield. Posted this in Danny's thread when we were discussing how much we still have left over to spend Well according to Il Sole 24, which is the best source for club finances in Italy, we still have a 100m. Now if this is taking into consideration sales, than the above estimate I posted could be thereabouts, however, if this does not include player sales, we could be looking at a potential 160m still available. Don't think we'll be spending all of that but I think the report of another 2 attackers one being a top one and a top midfielder are true. Milan still have a 100M budget remaining for the transfer market. [Il sole 24] Also, Davide Lippi a FIFA agent said that we had 2 big moves lined up
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Jul 16 2017, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Jul 16 2017, 03:15 PM) Bacca might be a better finisher but he's useless at everything else, Suso is a winger, so you can't really compare.
Silva is an all-round striker, he can do it all. Whether his finishing will improve is up for debate. His record with his NT and CL are good imo.
Also, if we play with a 3-5-2, he'll be challenging Suso and Hakan imo, I think Bona will be a starter. We'll see, I think the fact that they're definitely looking at marquee strikers (as also confirmed by Fassone today) shows that they know they have to give him time to settle in and are not going to load onto him the responsibility of being the starting striker in the side that would lead the attack alone
Anyway, can we revisit this topic in say 2 to 3 months? I think it's pointless to discuss when we all know very little about him I agree. Let's move on and see how it all unfolds (IMG: style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jul 16 2017, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jul 16 2017, 06:16 PM) Also, good thing we've signed Biglia for only three years. Agreed, considering his age it was a smart move, but I have a feeling he'll be one of if not the most important signing of the season for us
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Jul 16 2017, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (Danny @ Jul 16 2017, 09:51 PM) Pretty sure Aub scored more (IMG: style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Lewi (league apps/league goals) 13/14 33-20 14/15 31-17 15/16 32-30 16/17 33-30 Auba 13/14 32-13 14/15 33-16 15/16 31-25 16/17 32-31
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