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post Aug 17 2011, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 17 2011, 02:06 PM) *
Montolivo is different from Pirlo, and simply fits better in Allegri's midfield than Pirlo does. And Pirlo does had something similar, but you shouldn't be too obsessed with stats like that, else you get a response like mine which you will take too seriously.

Montolivo is creative, he can create attacks, and he is capable of scoring goals, and at least he can somewhat attack unlike Pirlo. And can defend well enough, unlike Pirlo.


BS. Hating Pirlo, won't solve Milan's problems, so get over it dude.

"Pirlo led Serie A in the 2002–03 season in four special categories, passes played (2589), ball possession (123 hours played and 39 minutes), successful balls (661) and successful passes (2093). This implies that he averaged almost 90 passes per game. He led Milan in minutes played for the 2006–07 season with 2,782."

If Montolivo does that, nah, he won't.

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post Aug 17 2011, 01:31 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 17 2011, 02:10 PM) *
Creativity does not necessarily mean assists. In modern context, especially a well-oiled creative engine that Milan supposed to have for decades, it means the ignition, the simple pass with vision - to let's say Ibra- who then assists Pato for the goal. Such contributions are not yet noted by stats (who are nowadays obsessed with running, miles and ball interception) but if you follow a team closely you know it's their heart. That's what's Pirlo been.

Exactly. People should not confuse creativity with assists.

QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Aug 17 2011, 02:29 PM) *
BS. Hating Pirlo, won't solve Milan's problems, so get over it dude.

"Pirlo led Serie A in the 2002–03 season in four special categories, passes played (2589), ball possession (123 hours played and 39 minutes), successful balls (661) and successful passes (2093). This implies that he averaged almost 90 passes per game. He led Milan in minutes played for the 2006–07 season with 2,782."

If Montolivo does that, nah, he won't.

Get over what?

I talked about how Montolivo fits in Allegri's midfield, and Pirlo doesn't. And then you come talking about 2002-03 and 2006-07 seasons... eh? How is that relevant? And if anything, Pirlo is not near as good as he was back then.

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post Aug 17 2011, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Aug 17 2011, 01:06 PM) *
Montolivo is different from Pirlo, and simply fits better in Allegri's midfield than Pirlo does. And Pirlo does had something similar, but you shouldn't be too obsessed with stats like that, else you get a response like mine which you will take too seriously.

Montolivo is creative, he can create attacks, and he is capable of scoring goals, and at least he can somewhat attack unlike Pirlo. And can defend well enough, unlike Pirlo.


Aren't we saying the same thing? I say we are not looking for "another" Pirlo, and as such Montolivo would fit in Allegri's system better. So how does it look like am obsessed with stats? I just mentioned a fact that he went two seasons with a paltry four assists. That's not saying he won't/can't do better than that with Milan if he do join.

If its not that important, it wouldn't have been mentioned in the article as one of his weaknesses/inconsistencies by the analysts. Like it or not, a creative midfielder should be able to assist. It ranks among his primary responsibilities. I don't care if you are Zidane, but if, being the creative player of a team, you go two complete seasons with a measly 4 assists and 0 goals, then that's seriously poor. By whatever standard ('70s or not).
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post Aug 17 2011, 04:10 PM
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The Pirlo of 2003 is long gone. Montolivo will most likely never match that, but he doesn't have to.

Also, he's not linked with anyone because we probably already have signed him. Berlu likes the last minute deals to make him look good and drive morale. We'll get Montolivo and Mr.X back to back in a week, if we get him at all.

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post Aug 17 2011, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE (Dracoris @ Aug 17 2011, 04:10 PM) *
A good cook knows how to make the guests hungry.


Yeah, well, no point in making the guests hungry if you'll give them unpalatable meal at the end (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Aug 17 2011, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 17 2011, 12:10 PM) *
My-o-my. This isn't the freakin' 70's or a time where George Best ended up with 20 assists. Creativity does not necessarily mean assists. In modern context, especially a well-oiled creative engine that Milan supposed to have for decades, it means the ignition, the simple pass with vision - to let's say Ibra- who then assists Pato for the goal. Such contributions are not yet noted by stats (who are nowadays obsessed with running, miles and ball interception) but if you follow a team closely you know it's their heart. That's what's Pirlo been.

If it's Montolivo, I'm not sure. I'm willing to give him the chance to prove himself. But, the fact that he's linked with absolutely no one except us isn't telling me he's "that" good. Han, you mentioned Pirlo and Kaka coming in for cheap money as well - and without much pomp or a "world class tag" on them. Yet, Pirlo came with 22, this guy has already 26.

At 26, he's still in his peak years for a midfielder imo. My main points with mentioning Kaka and Pirlo is that no one knew how they would turn out, most thought that they would be understudies. I never said that Montolivo could turn out like either. Just that he could accomplish himself as a vital player for us, maybe not a star name, but still a main cog in our midfield. Same goes for Aquilani.

Agree totally with the bolded part.

QUOTE (kdman @ Aug 17 2011, 01:53 PM) *
Aren't we saying the same thing? I say we are not looking for "another" Pirlo, and as such Montolivo would fit in Allegri's system better. So how does it look like am obsessed with stats? I just mentioned a fact that he went two seasons with a paltry four assists. That's not saying he won't/can't do better than that with Milan if he do join.

If its not that important, it wouldn't have been mentioned in the article as one of his weaknesses/inconsistencies by the analysts. Like it or not, a creative midfielder should be able to assist. It ranks among his primary responsibilities. I don't care if you are Zidane, but if, being the creative player of a team, you go two complete seasons with a measly 4 assists and 0 goals, then that's seriously poor. By whatever standard ('70s or not).

As Filippo said, assists do not make a great player, especially given the way Montolivo played at Fiorentina. His main job was to control the tempo and keep the ball moving forward, same goes for Pirlo who has never been a huge assist man, both play in retreated midfield roles, so the assists in Pirlo's case fell mostly on Kaka/Seedorf
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post Aug 17 2011, 05:17 PM
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So how did he play at Fiorentina? A deeper role than what Pirlo was for us? He was their Creator-in-Chief.
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post Aug 17 2011, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE (kdman @ Aug 17 2011, 04:17 PM) *
So how did he play at Fiorentina? A deeper role than what Pirlo was for us? He was their Creator-in-Chief.

He usually plays in the Central mid position, yes he is their creator, but that does not necassarily mean assists. He's the one in charge of build-up play more then anything else
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post Aug 17 2011, 07:19 PM
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Schweinsteiger is starting for Bayern today in the CL game so hopefully that rumor can die as well. We were never gonna get him anyway.
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post Aug 17 2011, 07:19 PM
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news:


-Roma are close to signing Moussa Sissoko.

-Arsenal are close to signing Mauro Zarate

-Man City have almost completed Nasri signing


-Galliani: Cassano isn't going anywhere, the roma stuff is just fabrications.


-Milan pull out of Aquailani deal. Here are the reasons why:

+ Aquailani's wages are too high, and he is unwilling to reduce them to what Milan wanted

+Milan wanted a loan deal, which liverpool declined immediately.

+Milan would only transfer him in full at around 8m Euros but Liverpool would not go less that 12m Euros.



-Grosetto are pushing for a loan move for Marco Ezio Fossatti. The serie B side want him on loan or co-own.


-Bastian Schweinsteiger is no longer a target as he is now Cup Tied. Our second options remains Gareth Bale.



-Milan are looking to reduce the 10m evalulation fiorentina have put on Montolivo. If they cannot, he will remain with fiorentina for another year until his contract finishes.





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post Aug 17 2011, 08:35 PM
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This is getting majorly depressing
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So the latest reports are linking us with:
Monty (for less than 10 mil - unlikely) and Bale (overpriced not entirely necessary and in my opinion unrealistic)

...Great (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

They better have some good sh!t left underground that no one knows of, because we haven't yet adressed our key positions in need of most help.

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post Aug 17 2011, 09:48 PM
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Bale is total crap. Please don't sign him.

So, here goes your double solution han. What now?
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Aug 17 2011, 08:48 PM) *
Bale is total crap. Please don't sign him.

So, here goes your double solution han. What now?

Now we rely on Ibra (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

However I do believe that there is a 50% chance of getting Montolivo. I know he doesn't set your heart on fire, but it certainly is better then nothing. That being said, he's not enough, and I'll be completely putting all my hopes on Seedorf really pulling out something special this season, even if that is unfair of me.

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