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post May 28 2008, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 29 2008, 12:16 AM)
The war of 1812? Canada won it, at least that's what common logic dictates. The US tried to invade and take over what would later be known as Canada (A British colony at the time - and still is) so the fact that 1: Canada is still there (And not known as part of the US) and 2: That Canada is STILL in the commenwealth, I fail to see where the victory was for the US.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Anyways, back to the modern day battle: England 2-0 USA, John Terry (assist from Becks) and Steven Gerrard (assist by Barry). An average performance really, and yet another manager who doesn't know what friendlies are for. There was so many untried players on the bench who're trying to show Capello what they can do for the country.. yet the subs he made were still bringing on the likes of Peter Crouch, Wayne Bridge, Gareth Barry and Joe Cole. We know exactly what these players can do! What's the point of having friendlies if you're gona play the same damn players, we'll never get anywhere!

Anyways, a win is a win. Great performance from Gerrard.. playing left midfield this time!  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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America was considered an economical colony of the UK before that war... something that changed after it... that's what the USA won...

If you expect to see more from a Capello team you're delusional. That's the best you will ever see. The thing is that Capello's team win... you can only hope that England will win too... but a more explosive performance!? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) It seems you know nothing about the Italian... just cynical football!

As for the players and what you know about them... well you've seen them play under other coaches and that's where Capello has seen them too... he doesn't know how they perform under his tactics and formation... so it's only normal that he wants to see his best players in action as much as possible. Plus, I heard England will also soon play against Trinidad and Tobago and most United and Chelsea players will not be there so...
You bloody Birmingham lad, the other day you were complaining about this friendly game being meaningless and now here you are bitching about it! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post May 28 2008, 10:41 PM
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The US had sovereignity in the 1700s, and a president, ammedments, etc. It was their eagerness to expand which is what this was all about.

I'm annoyed about 1 thing: Why pick Agbonlahor, Walcott, Young, Lewis, etc, etc. if you're just going to use the same old players? The point of friendlies is to try out new people. I'm not angry about the performance or anything, just why he isn't trying out new players. Maybe he will play them against Trinidad, but why not the US as well? They need more than 1 game, just frustrates me.

But I won't be happy until he wins something. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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post May 28 2008, 10:59 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 29 2008, 12:41 AM)
I'm annoyed about 1 thing: Why pick Agbonlahor, Walcott, Young, Lewis, etc, etc. if you're just going to use the same old players? The point of friendlies is to try out new people. I'm not angry about the performance or anything, just why he isn't trying out new players. Maybe he will play them against Trinidad, but why not the US as well? They need more than 1 game, just frustrates me.

But I won't be happy until he wins something.  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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I think you're missing something very important here... what's more important than the game itself is what comes before and after it: Capello wants to work with all these players that's why he called them. And a coach does not work with his players during a game, he works with them in the training sessions...

Also, the more experienced players are faster learners. They can implement what their coach tells them way faster than the youngsters do... so I guess Capello is taking his time with the youngsters so that he can use them more effectively and give them more minutes in the next game.

Another thing is that, he already knows what the body of his team will be... he knows who most of the players that will be starting for England come September are. There's no point in fielding a team full of subs cause the team will never play with so many subs in an official game... right now, I think he wants to know how good the main body is, what's the best way to play with it and how good his subs work with it... everything else is for 2012 and after...

And last but certainly not least, he wants as less Birmingham boys over his head as possible! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Imagine what you'd be like if the US had equalized! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) And the safest way to get result is by using your best players...

In the end... all that matters is victory... so sit back and enjoy... or better, learn to like Capello's football cause it does not get any better than this! He's the type of coach that masturbates to 1-0 wins, throws a party at 2-0 and screams at his players for wasting their energy if the score is any higher! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post May 28 2008, 11:15 PM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 28 2008, 09:41 PM)
I'm annoyed about 1 thing: Why pick Agbonlahor, Walcott, Young, Lewis, etc, etc. if you're just going to use the same old players? The point of friendlies is to try out new people. I'm not angry about the performance or anything, just why he isn't trying out new players. Maybe he will play them against Trinidad, but why not the US as well? They need more than 1 game, just frustrates me.
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Yeah I think they were all picked for Trinidad, maybe keeping them on the bench keeps them on their toes, stops them thinking I'm not playing today so I won't bother in training for a couple of days...
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post May 29 2008, 12:09 AM
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Watching Sky Sports news and I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned that Capello gave his postgame interviews in English. Accented and imperfect English but still quite good.
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post May 29 2008, 01:20 AM
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Gotta disagree, dst. I don't think Capello knows what his best XI is, not even his best formation. Todays game is going to bring about more doube than anything in my opinion.

I realise he gets to know his players in training, but the only way they'll ever do anything for England is on the pitch, and playing against teams like Trinidad is hardly going to help them step into a game at the World Cup vs Argentina or something.

I'm not disappointed with the quality of football, the formation or anything like that. I just think these are the best games to use new players. Otherwise we're going to have Croatia all over again - Carson, Lescott, Neville, etc. all throwin into a huge game without much internaitonal experience whic costs us big time.
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post May 29 2008, 03:20 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 29 2008, 12:20 AM)
I realise he gets to know his players in training, but the only way they'll ever do anything for England is on the pitch, and playing against teams like Trinidad is hardly going to help them step into a game at the World Cup vs Argentina or something.
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Trinidad away! Even if we had qualified for the Euro's whats the point?

We might as well have played a league 2 side and saved everyone a load of effort, but then again it is the FA and we all know the only thing they're interested in...
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post May 29 2008, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 28 2008, 10:36 PM)
Good result, Locke. I like the Scandanavian bunch to do well! (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Not really, we played like absolute crap in the first half, Elyounussi's goal was clearly offside and Riise's deflected off an Uruguayan...Uruguay's goals were both defensive errors by us, we really need a good center-back to pair up with Hangeland.
By the way, Carew assisted Elyounussi's goal.
Elyounussi will be playing in Premier League within a few years, maybe Villa could put him and Carew up front?
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post May 29 2008, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ May 29 2008, 09:12 AM)
Not really, we played like absolute crap in the first half, Elyounussi's goal was clearly offside and Riise's deflected off an Uruguayan...Uruguay's goals were both defensive errors by us, we really need a good center-back to pair up with Hangeland.
By the way, Carew assisted Elyounussi's goal.
Elyounussi will be playing in Premier League within a few years, maybe Villa could put him and Carew up front?
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Ah well, a goal is a goal, whichever way it goes in!

We have been linked with him actually. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post May 29 2008, 12:16 PM
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Lots of talk about the lineup and formation of the Italy team in the Euros in today's papers. The most recent speculation indicates Donadoni may try a sort of mutant Christmas Tree/4-3-3 formation with Del Piero and Cassano right behind Toni. Pirlo's the only definite, according to the papers, in the midfield. Buffon's an obvious in goal. Cannavaro and Zambrotta are the only definites in defense.
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post May 29 2008, 01:23 PM
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Gattuso and De Rossi/Perotta along with Pirlo in midfield was pure gold in the World Cup. I hope Donadoni does not change this!
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QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 28 2008, 10:41 PM)
The US had sovereignity in the 1700s, and a president, ammedments, etc. It was their eagerness to expand which is what this was all about.
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You guy talk about the 1812 War? Hmh,..

The only really decisive and lasting result of the war was Canadian independence IMO. But all in all it was ponitless war.

But may I remind this is a Euro 2008 topic,..
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post May 29 2008, 05:35 PM
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Not stricly Euro 2008 related: Most of the Champions League Final players have been left home form the England squad, I think only Rio Ferdinand remains. David Beckham or Gareth Barry qill captain the squad. Please be Barry, been a while since a Villan captained this country!
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post May 29 2008, 07:59 PM
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I'm watching Holland-Denmark (1-0) right now, the Dutch are playing pretty well in passes but as usual they don't make anything effective near the box. RvN scored a beautiful goal (construction) and VrV missed an incredible chance, he should be dropped from the starting 11 as soon as Persie gets back to form. Oh and I confirmed my thoughts about Robben, he's all about speed, his crosses and dribbling are so poor (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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QUOTE (morgoth @ May 29 2008, 06:59 PM)
I'm watching Holland-Denmark (1-0) right now, the Dutch are playing pretty well in passes but as usual they don't make anything effective near the box. RvN scored a beautiful goal (construction) and VrV missed an incredible chance, he should be dropped from the starting 11 as soon as Persie gets back to form. Oh and I confirmed my thoughts about Robben, he's all about speed, his crosses and dribbling are so poor (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Did Huntelaar play? I want to see him in the Euro's been hearing so much positive stuff for a long time now.
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