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post May 27 2008, 03:07 AM
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QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ May 26 2008, 11:06 PM)
Everyone bashes Carlo's 3 DM policy but he dosent actually use 3 DM. Ambrosini and gattuso yes, but not Pirlo. Pirlo is a deep lying playmaker akin to an NFL quaterback. He isnt a true DM per se, which makes it more important for us to have an alternative to him. Cigarini is as close as anyone will ever be able to get to him
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yes i agree pirlo isnt a Dm.

but the problem is in order to score goals you need a certain amount of players(besides the strikers and AM) up field in and around the box that are capable of scoring. every so often i see brocchi or ambrosini venturing forward because we need a goal, but are they likely to score, beat a defender or set up a teammate? (ambro does it once in a blue moon).

i think thats been one of main problems in the past 2 years. when you play ambro,pirlo and gattuso in the midfield that leaves seedorf, kaka and the striker (whoever that might be) left around the final third. it makes it that much easier for defenses to neutralize our attack because they can commit a couple of defenders on each of our guys front. that in turn also makes life that much harder for a guy like pirlo, how can he make the killer pass when our dangerous players are marked off the pitch?

i watch a team like Man U ((IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/puke.gif) i know i hate them but they just won the double so they must be doing something right). just about everyone in their midfield can jump in during the counterattacks or make a run in the box, even their fullbacks! it adds that much dimention to their attack. i watch milan lpay and theres only 2-3 guy that have to be watched and mission accomplished for opposing team.

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The whole post above is deep fried in truth. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)

We don't have many people who can hit the net. Remember the games when Ronaldo played for us, it added a completely new dimension to our attack. He led the attack, as Maldini led the defense. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Napoli 5-2, anyone? Too bad KaPaRo lasted only one match. As of now.
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post May 27 2008, 11:27 AM
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 26 2008, 08:40 PM)
^^ Me neither. But if we decide to keep him, I'll give him his last shot. Until the...patience! We need patience here! We're all talking like as if it was the last week of October not May.. (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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The point with Boriello is that he's already been given chances to play at Milan on more then 1 occasion, I'm just personally opposed to the idea of getting him back.

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 26 2008, 10:00 PM)
If we do get a WC striker, then Paloschi wouldn't even have room to play in the coppa matches, send him out on loan let him express himself better, then when he has gotten his legs used to playing in Serie A bring him back. Paloschi is very determined and with the right guidance he could very well be one of the Azzurri's lead strikers in 2010. But atm, Milan isn't that club that he should be at to get the playing time that he needs, loan him out now, and bring him back when there is space in the squad for him.

You know, I once wrote a letter to Fininvest and never got a reply. So I don't have any clue of what they are spending on. But off the top of my head, post-calciopoli era Milan's game tickets were selling at fairly low. Also, there was the upgrades that were done at San Siro so the fans could attend European venues, there also is increased wages for certain players, etc .. And the list could go on and on .. If ever you get a chance at School, check out a balance sheet (usually accounting classes teach you how to read them (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ); it shows you exactly what expenditure or cost is on them and how much in revenues, profit, etc .. It gives you a basic insight on what assets the company has available against liabilities on the company.

So in that sense, I see it as pointless to talk about how much the club had spent and how much it would spend, when you don't even have the basic material, (let alone cash flow statements and what not), you need to analyze. So I choose not to go there


Yes I do believe, a new strategy for the attack will be implemented to fit in Ronaldinho, WC striker, along with the rest .. But, there are noises from Via Turati stating that Kaka' would be slotted as an SS next season. So I guess, Ancelotti is restructuring the attack, with Ronaldinho taking up the AM slot, probably alternate .. But, yes Ronaldinho could very well be one of the strikers, and if so ? I don't see the problem in that .. I mean, do you honestly think (for the sake of the example) Shevcenko and Drogba will be two new strikers for Milan ? Where would that leave Pato ? and Borriello surely wouldn't get the chance to prove to us his worth, and Inzaghi I mean Ronaldo when he is back (IF he is back (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) ... Personally, I would be all for it, bring in two world class strikers, but then again, logically, one of Pato or Borriello will barely get time on the field.

Nah, Borriello isn't a replacement for Gilardino (between us, I don't think there is much to replace (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ) ... But yeah, a world class striker should arrive !! And whoever that striker might be, I'm looking forward  (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/king.gif)
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I'm only saying that if the management do choose the bring back Boriello I personally would prefer us to not spend money on getting him back and instead keeping Paloschi. Yes I agree that if we do get a WC striker plus Pato and Pippo and maybe R9, then the issue you brought up (playing time) will be an issue, Boriello already said that he will not come back to warm the bench, so if we do get all our strikers back, plus the new WC striker and R9 and Pippo miraculously manage to stay fit for the season, I can only imagine Boriello wining about it, where as Paloschi would be a more for the tema kind of player. Yess he needs experiance and loaning him out might be a better idea, but I think having Paloschi as our fill-in striker (because that's what Boriello would be let's be honest here) would be better for the team in terms of someone whining for playing time.

Even so with all that went out, in terms of wages, upgrades for San Siro and ticket sales going down plus being cheaper, I still don't understand how we could be in the read, if you count sponsorship deals, winning the CL and selling Sheva, plus not really spending any money on transfers (aside from Pato) it really shouldn't add up to being in the red. But then again you are right and you have to look at the incoming and losses being drawn up on paper to know what is going on, so I'm not really going to get into it since I clearly don't have those.

Exactly, I personally belive that if R10 comes, he will be 1 of the 2 strikers, now as for the other one that could be anyone from Drogba to Vieri to Boriello. We don't really know, a lot of names have been thrown around. Now as to how Carlo decides to use the players that he gets is not an issue. But I do belive that R10 is our best option, he can play as a sub for Kaka (rotating them when the schedule gets heavy) he can play in the xmas tree formation and keep alternating with Kaka or Seedorf or be a SS striker for anyone of the strikers that we have (I personally believe that Pato can play with any type of formation Carlo chooses because he is so versatile so I don't think that he will have a problem if R10 comes. As for Ronaldo, we haven't gotten any info on him in terms of his contract so I don't think we should hold our breaths. Basically I believe that the 2 strikers could be these: Sheva/R10/Eto'o AND Boriello/Drogba/Sheva

I'm looking forward to it as much as you are (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . When Pippo and R9 were injured and Pato wasn't allowed to play yet, Gila was our only striker, so imo, whether he was scoring goals or not we still need someone to fall back on if that should ever happen again
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Well even R7 agrees Borriello is nothing in Genoa compared to what Gila was in Parma. And R7's feelings about Gila are about as private as the Paris Hilton sex tape.

And Pato is getting the exact same treatment Kaka got in his first season, when Rui was around. So I'm not worried much. R7 and I discussed this over an amazing shesha pipe. Pato was only allowed to do whatever he wanted in his first match. Since then he's been reined in, and fit to the team. So Carlo is not doing a Gourcuff...he's doing a Kaka. And that worked out not so bad.

As for the money you can't say...MilanLab..the entire club infrastructure it's all expensive. And we're not really getting a huge amount from the sponsors. I don't think the club can bluff about this. Coz to do so would be plain illegal...not just unethical.

Well Kaka is being played as a SS....so this mean R10 will be trequartista. So we're playing from the sound of things a 4-2-2-2. The advantage of having someone like Kaka as a SS is that, we could now have as our primary striker....

1. Either a strong target man like Drogba/Berbatov
2. A fast mobile striker like Eto'o/Pato
3. An out and out goal poacher like Inzaghi and uhm....Inzaghi(though I soon hope Paloschi too)

Kaka mixes with everything except driving. *sorry...PJ..please ignore*


Btw...I hear Nasri to Arsenal is almost done. 12 mill pounds is the deal.


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IMO Gilardino has a week personality and he's...just wrong. But it would be a grave error to take his example as a paradigmatic one. Borriello is a totally different story.

You know what we have to do? We have to get into the role of our board! We have to try understand their logic (even their week sides). We just cannot expect that in 2008, opposed to 2007 or 2006 we'll do 10 big transfers. But we need to. So if Borriello is a solution that gives us more open space for Dinho negotiations or let's say Drogba negotiations I won't be opposed. If it ends up only with Flamini and Bori and no cream, we'll all expect resignations. Till then...I'm fine with Marco as a additional rotation player. We won't sign a world class GK, CB, AM and SS/F. It isn't realistic. We have to sacrifice some position...
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QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 27 2008, 10:59 AM)
Well even R7 agrees Borriello is nothing in Genoa compared to what Gila was in Parma. And R7's feelings about Gila are about as private as the Paris Hilton sex tape.

And Pato is getting the exact same treatment Kaka got in his first season, when Rui was around. So I'm not worried much. R7 and I discussed this over an amazing shesha pipe. Pato was only allowed to do whatever he wanted in his first match. Since then he's been reined in, and fit to the team. So Carlo is not doing a Gourcuff...he's doing a Kaka. And that worked out not so bad.

As for the money you can't say...MilanLab..the entire club infrastructure it's all expensive. And we're not really getting a huge amount from the sponsors. I don't think the club can bluff about this. Coz to do so would be plain illegal...not just unethical.

Well Kaka is being played as a SS....so this mean R10 will be trequartista. So we're playing from the sound of things a 4-2-2-2. The advantage of having someone like Kaka as a SS is that, we could now have as our primary striker....

1. Either a strong target man like Drogba/Berbatov
2. A fast mobile striker like Eto'o/Pato
3. An out and out goal poacher like Inzaghi and uhm....Inzaghi(though I soon hope Paloschi too)

Kaka mixes with everything except driving. *sorry...PJ..please ignore*
Btw...I hear Nasri to Arsenal is almost done. 12 mill pounds is the deal.
P.S: I'm not gonna color code my comments. That's for Maltese school boys who can't get a girlfriend and Arab princes who've got too many.
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Hey man color coding is all the rage here in Malta, just because you guys are behind on things that doesn't make us the bad guys in the world (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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I agree with what Fillipo said, except for the fact I could see Borriello as starter if he does what he did for Genoa. Like I said...sometimes a players simply explodes.
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I disagree about R7 comments about Paloschi being ready to lead the Azzurri lineup by 2010. 2012 or 2014 is more realistic.
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QUOTE (LaPalma @ May 27 2008, 07:33 PM)
I agree with what Fillipo said, except for the fact I could see Borriello as starter if he does what he did for Genoa. Like I said...sometimes a players simply explodes.
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QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ May 27 2008, 05:53 PM)
I disagree about R7 comments about Paloschi being ready to lead the Azzurri lineup by 2010. 2012 or 2014 is more realistic.
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QUOTE (LaPalma @ May 27 2008, 02:03 PM)
I agree with what Fillipo said, except for the fact I could see Borriello as starter if he does what he did for Genoa. Like I said...sometimes a players simply explodes.
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Borriello had one good season and all of a sudden he's some sort of superstar? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) As for demanding a first team spot he ought to earn it rather than expect it. Funny thing is that Gila was a sensation before we bought him and now most people want him gone! We need an experienced forward and not just a one season wonder.
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QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ May 27 2008, 11:25 AM)
Borriello had one good season and all of a sudden he's some sort of superstar? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)   As for demanding a first team spot he ought to earn it rather than expect it. Funny thing is that Gila was a sensation before we bought him and now most people want him gone! We need an experienced forward and not just a one season wonder.
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QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ May 27 2008, 06:25 PM)
Borriello had one good season and all of a sudden he's some sort of superstar? (IMG:http://cyrus.medialayer.net/~m1ke/milanfan.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)   As for demanding a first team spot he ought to earn it rather than expect it. Funny thing is that Gila was a sensation before we bought him and now most people want him gone! We need an experienced forward and not just a one season wonder.
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I'm not sure you get what we were talking about. Noone said he's the superstar. Exactly the opposite. My calculation is -

keepers - red alert

defenders and fullbacks - red alert (Zambro+off. RB/LB+a classy CB)

midfield - red alert (fresh blood+backup AM+Flamini)

attack - yellow alert (we need one that is experienced)

So you see, I doubt we'll make all big transfers. And the only section that could survive a less expensive refit is the attack. Why? Pato is great. Palo has potential and allways can be of use. Pippo is a question mark but he'll be helpfull. Gilardino was useless most of last season. So Borriello cannot do much worse then Gila allready did. If we add Dinho or Drogba to that account, Bori really is a good solution.

Also, Gila did great for only 2 seasons...so by that logic we can start calling him a "two season wonder". But that isn't neccassary and fair. And well and as I said - Gilardino's example should not be applied to Borriello or anyone else.

We're all talking Borriello was given a chance..really? When? He hardly played over 15 games in 2 or 3 years for us, and most of them Coppa-matches.

As I said - give Borriello a chance. If he's Gilardino's replacement, he hardly can do much worse the Gila allready did.
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Mediaset is reporting that Borriello will end up at Roma, if things go to plan. The plan is that a takeover of Roma will occur this summer, and the helm of Roma is handed over to the American Billionaire Soris, then Borriello would end up at the capital.

The catch is that Milan will profit from this transaction, where Borriello has made a lot of heads turn in Italy, with Juventus, Roma, and inter showing interest in him. Price, if he transfers to Roma, is estimated to be at 20M euros.
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QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ May 27 2008, 10:31 PM)
Mediaset is reporting that Borriello will end up at Roma, if things go to plan. The plan is that a takeover of Roma will occur this summer, and the helm of Roma is handed over to the American Billionaire Soris, then Borriello would end up at the capital.

The catch is that Milan will profit from this transaction, where Borriello has made a lot of heads turn in Italy, with Juventus, Roma, and inter showing interest in him. Price, if he transfers to Roma, is estimated to be at 20M euros.
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